MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: rik_t on September 19, 2012, 08:56:43 am
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Please, before I commit to buying these can anyone tell me if they are genuine BBS? They will come in white boxes with red BBS logos on.
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I always thought BBS that had motorsport stamped round the centre were reps?
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Please, before I commit to buying these can anyone tell me if they are genuine BBS? They will come in white boxes with red BBS logos on.
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Unless they have been repainted then no. BBS never did black with red.
What model number are they? (Should be stamped on the outside face between 2 of the spokes and will be like CH026 or CH029 etc)
Also what PCD and offset are they and size. (they look 18")
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I've seen boxes and they are BBS boxes. The rims have BBS markings on, also "8J x 18H2", "CH 025", 01 and also some JL looking mark.
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I've seen boxes and they are BBS boxes. The rims have BBS markings on, also "8J x 18H2", "CH 025", 01 and also some JL looking mark.
I'd say they are fake as all aftermarket CH needed a centre bore adapter spigot ring to bring the centre bore down to the correct size for VAG sizes. The wheels you posted do not have this.
Depending on the price though there is nothing wrong with running replicas. Just dont pay genuine money for them.
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this is the inside of a genuine CH
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Pretty sure they are fake check here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/378554-The-Definitive-BBS-CH-CO-RE-Reference-Thread
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Based on Jedi's pics the others look like rep's, as rear face is completely different.
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I would say definately reps, some years ago I nearly bought a set of these off eBay, illyun bought a set for his Ed30.
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He wanted £500 but I have got him to £400, (no tyres) problem is replicas new go for around this. He thinks they are genuine which he says cost £1275 a couple of years back, only run for 250 odd miles and sat in shed since.
I just want to make sure before commiting all that money.
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He wanted £500 but I have got him to £400, (no tyres) problem is replicas new go for around this. He thinks they are genuine which he says cost £1275 a couple of years back, only run for 250 odd miles and sat in shed since.
I just want to make sure before commiting all that money.
for 18s id not really go more than £300 for a set of reps.
Im 95% sure they are reps and not genuine.
Whats the offset on them?
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also ask if he has had them painted of if he bought them that colour as bbs never made them in that colour.
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also ask if he has had them painted of if he bought them that colour as bbs never made them in that colour.
They were made in that colour scheme as I nearly bought a set, definately not genuine.
He may well have paid £1275 for the set but they are not worth anywhere near that.
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also ask if he has had them painted of if he bought them that colour as bbs never made them in that colour.
You could ask to see his "receipt" for £1275 :grin:
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5x112 ET42 8x18
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Pretty sure they are fake check here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/378554-The-Definitive-BBS-CH-CO-RE-Reference-Thread
According to that link OEM BBS do not have "Motorsport" stamped on them anywhere. The ones in question above do.
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Pretty sure they are fake check here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/378554-The-Definitive-BBS-CH-CO-RE-Reference-Thread
According to that link OEM BBS do not have "Motorsport" stamped on them anywhere. The ones in question above do.
Yes they do!
its the OEM manufacture wheels that do not have motorsport.
The aftermarket CH all have motorsport on the face.
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Pretty sure they are fake check here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/378554-The-Definitive-BBS-CH-CO-RE-Reference-Thread
According to that link OEM BBS do not have "Motorsport" stamped on them anywhere. The ones in question above do.
to quote that link...
Aftermarket CH types, 5x112
Aftermarket CH's have "motorsport" stamped into the metal around the center and other descriptors on the lip. They only come in Diamond Silver (also known as Bright Silver) or Black with Stainless Lip. All real non-OEM BBS wheels require BBS PFS hubcentric rings and conical lugs. The lower offset fitments have 5 small holes around the center bolt pattern, as Mercedes requires them for wheel alignment.
CH023: 17x7.5 et42. Brilliant Silver. Without alignment holes.
CH003: 17x8.5 et35 Brilliant Silver. With alignment holes.
CH025: 18x8 et50. Brilliant Silver, Black. Without slignment holes.
CH012: 18x8.5 et35. Brilliant Silver, Black. With alignment holes. 26lbs
CH026: 19x8 et50. Brilliant Silver, Black. Without alignment holes.
CH009: 19x8.5 et35. Brilliant Silver, Black. With alignment holes.
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5x112 ET42 8x18
100% fake then as CH025 should be ET50.
Send him that link and then just say you will give him £300.. otherwise walk away... plenty more reps out there.
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Pretty sure they are fake check here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/378554-The-Definitive-BBS-CH-CO-RE-Reference-Thread
According to that link OEM BBS do not have "Motorsport" stamped on them anywhere. The ones in question above do.
to quote that link...
Aftermarket CH types, 5x112
Aftermarket CH's have "motorsport" stamped into the metal around the center and other descriptors on the lip. They only come in Diamond Silver (also known as Bright Silver) or Black with Stainless Lip. All real non-OEM BBS wheels require BBS PFS hubcentric rings and conical lugs. The lower offset fitments have 5 small holes around the center bolt pattern, as Mercedes requires them for wheel alignment.
CH023: 17x7.5 et42. Brilliant Silver. Without alignment holes.
CH003: 17x8.5 et35 Brilliant Silver. With alignment holes.
CH025: 18x8 et50. Brilliant Silver, Black. Without slignment holes.
CH012: 18x8.5 et35. Brilliant Silver, Black. With alignment holes. 26lbs
CH026: 19x8 et50. Brilliant Silver, Black. Without alignment holes.
CH009: 19x8.5 et35. Brilliant Silver, Black. With alignment holes.
Apologies I assumed not OEM meant they were replicas, and not in fact still real BBS'
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"BBS went bankrupt in 2007, this was one of a range of special edition finishes that the new owners of BBS did when they came back on to the market after six months of ceased production at the BBS factory.
The spigot rings are an interchangeable part and therefore removeable. My golf was running them with the correct spigot rings to suit. You can buy the correct spigot rings on ebay, to suit a different range of cars with 5x112 fitment.
They are genuine BBS wheels. "
Wikipedia seems to agree?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS_Kraftfahrzeugtechnik_AG
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They look bloody good for reps. Didn't realise they could look so good. Been planning on 19 CH's, really had not considered replicas. Could save a bundle, where can I buy reps from, anyone know. Not really interested in eBay though.
OP, they look really good, reps or not, buy them or I will for my winters.
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Isn't there also a check you can do on the position of the "Motorsport" script? Im sure I remember reading that reps are stamped slightly different to genuine rims.
Yes, I agree they are a great looking rim thats why I nearly bought a set for my previous GTI. If you can get them cheap enough buy em! :happy2:
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"BBS went bankrupt in 2007, this was one of a range of special edition finishes that the new owners of BBS did when they came back on to the market after six months of ceased production at the BBS factory.
The spigot rings are an interchangeable part and therefore removeable. My golf was running them with the correct spigot rings to suit. You can buy the correct spigot rings on ebay, to suit a different range of cars with 5x112 fitment.
They are genuine BBS wheels. "
Wikipedia seems to agree?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS_Kraftfahrzeugtechnik_AG
hmm.. not sure then. To me it doesnt look like there is a place for the spigot ring to be installed like on my CHs or in that picture. But BBS going bust is true (infact they have gone bust again since then) so perhaps these are genuine.
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You can always check the part number of the centre cap shown in the picture :wink:
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Yeah, cos I thought genuine bbs centrecaps are different sizes to replica centres so will not fit?
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Yeah, cos I thought genuine bbs centrecaps are different sizes to replica centres so will not fit?
That is correct, might be worth just firing an email off to Phil @ PW Motorsport, he will be able to tell you instantly if they are genuine or not. :happy2:
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Looking at this pic I would definately say the wheels are fake, look at the centre cap http://www.pwmotorsport.com/Catalogue.aspx?cId=14&pId=42#Catalog1
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They are fake ch025 are only 5x112 et50
Don't take the center caps as them being genuine. I bought a set that turned out to be fake but had genuine center caps.
Genuine bbs ch s use an alloy spigot ring held in place with a circlip.
The alloy spigot rings are £50
You can get 18"reps brand new on eBay for £375 deliverd
I have some pics from rimstyle of the markings on genuine wheels I will post them up when I get home tonight
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Some pics
If anyone is ever looking at ch's and you are near Aberdeen I can give you a shot of a BBS spigot ring to try on the wheels and also show you my genuine CH's to make it easier to spot any differences
I got stung with a fake set before and really wouldn't like it happening to anyone else
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Looking at the original pic the offset is stamped on the inside of the rim, but on the genuine wheels the offset is stamped on the face of the rim (3 spokes away from the valve)
On the cut away metal next to the wheel studs there is no stamping on the black ones but there is on the genuine.
If you look at Jedi-Knights pic you can see how the spigot ring sits in a genuine wheel with space for the circlip, on the black wheels there is not a step for the spigot ring to sit on.
I assume they are a lower offset as there is more of a curve on the inside of the hub part of the rim and it has the holes for merc that they use for wheel alinment
Nothing wrong with running reps to be honest but don't pay £400 for them, I wouldn't pay more than £200 knowing that they are fakes
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Seems they have sold or gone off eBay now and the bloke will not reply to my emails. Never mind, now looking at various wheel options for the Leon :-)
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Genuine bbs have the little spigot rings that lock in with a circlip
Reps are about £70 each plus vat
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You saw these on eBay just a few days ago didn't you?
They're fakes.
Clue number 1: the colour. BBS never made a black/red wheel
Clue number 2: the offset. It says CH025 on them, but the offset of 42 is incorrect for this model
Clue number 3: the price. Genuine CHs with a few hundred miles on are worth more than £500