MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DanGB on September 19, 2012, 09:15:34 am
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Hi, In response to a thread on the US VWVortex site, I would be interested to see what the variation of maps are here in the UK. In the states APR had 75% with Revo on 6%. I think it would be very different here.
Let me know if ive missed a popular one out.
2.0TFSI/TSI only please :)
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,53823.0.html
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You missed out Jabbasport, add it and I can vote, I reckon you will see 65% revo, 20% apr and the rest..........
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You missed out Jabbasport
Other?
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Added Jabbasport :)
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
Hopefully things are changing now with the advent or better and more serious competition.
I believe this has already led to software improvments as companies try to out do each other, and hopefully price reductions in the near future.
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You missed out Jabbasport
Other?
Other?, surely if Shark/R-Tech/Giac/Custard code get their own................ :happy2:
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
Hopefully things are changing now with the advent or better and more serious competition.
I believe this has already led to software improvments as companies try to out do each other, and hopefully price reductions in the near future.
Software improvements yes, but don't be expecting price reductions :grin:, the big tuners keep prices high
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,53823.0.html
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9692.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9692.0.html) this is the one i did back in 2009 It will be interesting to see how many have either swapped tuner or if the percentages have substantially changed
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There was a similar vote to this in South Africa a few months ago. Will try find the link...
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Does APR still "sponsor" the Vortex forum???
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
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One thing u will prob find is that there has been a shift towards custom maps, eg R Tech. I have heard a lot of mixed things bout yr 'big names' so to speak, but as yet ive yet to hear even 1 negative comment bout Nick and his team! Yeah sure, ive been there a few times now, im clearly biased, but wat Nick and co dont know bout mapping aint worth knowing IMO!!!
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As promised, a link to a thread that was posted on our SA forum:
http://www.vwclub.co.za/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143266&hilit=best+software
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One thing u will prob find is that there has been a shift towards custom maps, eg R Tech. I have heard a lot of mixed things bout yr 'big names' so to speak, but as yet ive yet to hear even 1 negative comment bout Nick and his team! Yeah sure, ive been there a few times now, im clearly biased, but wat Nick and co dont know bout mapping aint worth knowing IMO!!!
Do you have a link to their website mate?
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
maybe, REVO definitely benefited from that void, thats for sure. It'll take a while for that to change i think though.
this Forum is definitely REVO, but then if you go to Briskoda then Shark Performance probably have the majority share, SCN has a pretty good mix of everything IMO, then VAGOC seem to be leaning towards APR.
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sure thing, although check on Google, it's 'www.r-techpower.co.uk', just make sure you bring some hobnobs, lol!! :driver:
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
maybe, REVO definitely benefited from that void, thats for sure. It'll take a while for that to change i think though.
this Forum is definitely REVO, but then if you go to Briskoda then Shark Performance probably have the majority share, SCN has a pretty good mix of everything IMO, then VAGOC seem to be leaning towards APR.
Only reason that VAGOC is changing is purely because so many people follow JonnyC. That forum used to have a huge revo following. APR make awesome hardware bits and their marketing material is fantastic...that's about it for me in any case. I've always maintained that "Competition breeds excellence" and its good for the consumer. Arrogance however will lead to your downfall...
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
maybe, REVO definitely benefited from that void, thats for sure. It'll take a while for that to change i think though.
this Forum is definitely REVO, but then if you go to Briskoda then Shark Performance probably have the majority share, SCN has a pretty good mix of everything IMO, then VAGOC seem to be leaning towards APR.
Only reason that VAGOC is changing is purely because so many people follow JonnyC. That forum used to have a huge revo following. APR make awesome hardware bits and their marketing material is fantastic...that's about it for me in any case. I've always maintained that "Competition breeds excellence" and its good for the consumer. Arrogance however will lead to your downfall...
And that is why I went Jabbasport, support a "smaller" tuner (Albeit one who was tuning VW's before remaps existed!), they also offer a cusomt map rather than generic file :happy2:
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how is your dsg remap from R Tech going btw, did it make much difference?? When you trying a Rev G DV btw?? :party:
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One thing u will prob find is that there has been a shift towards custom maps, eg R Tech. I have heard a lot of mixed things bout yr 'big names' so to speak, but as yet ive yet to hear even 1 negative comment bout Nick and his team! Yeah sure, ive been there a few times now, im clearly biased, but wat Nick and co dont know bout mapping aint worth knowing IMO!!!
X2 never met anyone with THAT level of understanding of how the TFSI engine works :notworthy:
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One thing u will prob find is that there has been a shift towards custom maps, eg R Tech. I have heard a lot of mixed things bout yr 'big names' so to speak, but as yet ive yet to hear even 1 negative comment bout Nick and his team! Yeah sure, ive been there a few times now, im clearly biased, but wat Nick and co dont know bout mapping aint worth knowing IMO!!!
X2 never met anyone with THAT level of understanding of how the TFSI engine works :notworthy:
....You haven't met Sheldon Cooper then. :grin:
It isn't only about choosing which remap product but who installs it and how conveniently they are located.
Before I chose mine back in 2006 I did a lot of research and spoke to a lot of people over several months. Jim at JKM was not the closest tuner to me - They are a 180-mile round trip. JKM are a fiercely independent tuner and offer several ECU upgrade options as well as having a rolling road. Back then I didn't choose the remap flavour of the month reported on car forums by willy wavers after the highest bhp numbers. Which engine version you have should also be a factor in which remap you choose. I chose Revo and now also have their DSG remap - It makes good sense.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FJKM_sticker_2044.jpg&hash=5641662f7894978009d962e45d694dd23af33703)
The fact that the Revo has the option to fine tune the Boost/Timing/Fuelling and also 'Standard' mode (plus Anti-Theft security) has been invaluable. I also prefer the peace of mind which comes from having a very well established product. When I was considering a remap I asked my VW dealer what their attitude would be - They asked which tuner, and when I answered "Revo" they said "No problem, then".
Next JKM Dyno-Day Meet: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46771.0.html :pomppomp:
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
Just FYI they never shut up shop here. Awesome was the main APR UK importer, who then fell out with APR. Tuningwerkes in Croydon then became the Main UK importer.
Then late last year APR set up a fully owned HQ in the UK.
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I'm guessing no-one is running a Celtic Tuning map?
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RR, who is Sheldon Cooper????
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Ray west www.west-tuning.com
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RR, who is Sheldon Cooper????
....I'll give you another clue: Penny's friend :laugh:
Big Bang Theory: http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper
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Ray west www.west-tuning.com
....I went to Ray in early 2006 and discussed him doing a remap but at that time he said he wasn't confident enough of the results and hadn't finished his work on it, so we decided better not.
How is he? I haven't dropped in on him for ages. He is one very very very quick driver! That's what a full race licence does.
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are you talking about that REDICULOUS show from across the pond??? :fighting:
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Do you mean rIdiculous?
It is amusing and that for me is sufficient.
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Do you mean rIdiculous?
It is amusing and that for me is sufficient.
....Sufficient for me too. I greatly enjoy being amused and also very much enjoy watching "Friends" too.
But we are off-topic :ashamed: - The character Sheldon Cooper is just the ultimate geek and would know the workings of an ECU inside out if he applied himself to it.
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a cat that juggles, now that would be amusing!! Compare that to say Moone Boy, chalk and cheese!!
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+1. Found friends similarly amusing.
Anyway, I went with Revo as they were a broader, more well known company at the time. I was weary of random remaps where the "tuner" had no knowledge of the ECU and would barely know how to apply the remap. I also held out until GTI inters where there was a discount (20% off and free sps switch).
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
Just FYI they never shut up shop here. Awesome was the main APR UK importer, who then fell out with APR. Tuningwerkes in Croydon then became the Main UK importer.
Then late last year APR set up a fully owned HQ in the UK.
At the same time as APR binned some of the tuners that had stood by them in the wilderness years. :surprised:
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
Just FYI they never shut up shop here. Awesome was the main APR UK importer, who then fell out with APR. Tuningwerkes in Croydon then became the Main UK importer.
Then late last year APR set up a fully owned HQ in the UK.
Unfortunately that's not how most people see/saw it Dan and surely our competitors were able to gain some ground during that period. But no worries, we're here now doing everything we can to provide our products and services the best we can :)
And if anybody has any APR queries, please don't hesitate to contact me directly.
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i did this a couple years back. The UK is definitely geared more towards REVO on the 2.0TFSI forums.
But is that because APR shut up shop and left the UK a while back?
maybe, REVO definitely benefited from that void, thats for sure. It'll take a while for that to change i think though.
this Forum is definitely REVO, but then if you go to Briskoda then Shark Performance probably have the majority share, SCN has a pretty good mix of everything IMO, then VAGOC seem to be leaning towards APR.
Only reason that VAGOC is changing is purely because so many people follow JonnyC. That forum used to have a huge revo following. APR make awesome hardware bits and their marketing material is fantastic...that's about it for me in any case. I've always maintained that "Competition breeds excellence" and its good for the consumer. Arrogance however will lead to your downfall...
But why did jonnyc go from revo to APR? :popcornsoda:
And tbh revo never had the 2.5tfsi market cornered anyway as there were issues with their map
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But why did jonnyc go from revo to APR? :popcornsoda:
....I think that major modders like Jonny (and Hurdy on here) will go to the first tuner who offers a remap suitable for their project, providing of course that they have confidence in that tuner.
Jonny can answer for himself of course, but he is a professional racing driver with a public profile and, as such, will be offered free products by many aftermarket suppliers or remaps or otherwise. He is also valuable as a pre public release tester and the reward is free product. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
According to which car that Jonny is driving, I expect that he would happily recommend either APR or Revo - Both tuners are well established, highly reputable, and know what they are doing.
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how is your dsg remap from R Tech going btw, did it make much difference?? When you trying a Rev G DV btw?? :party:
It's fine, still same as per review :happy2:, it made 50ft/lb more after Jabba tweaked the map after DSG remap.
I have no plans to try rev G anytime soon :signLOL:
All this talk of "Long standing" tuners :happy2:, pretty sure Jabba were tuning/Racing VW's before either APR or Revo existed :signLOL: :signLOL:
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But why did jonnyc go from revo to APR? :popcornsoda:
....I think that major modders like Jonny (and Hurdy on here) will go to the first tuner who offers a remap suitable for their project, providing of course that they have confidence in that tuner.
Jonny can answer for himself of course, but he is a professional racing driver with a public profile and, as such, will be offered free products by many aftermarket suppliers or remaps or otherwise. He is also valuable as a pre public release tester and the reward is free product. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
According to which car that Jonny is driving, I expect that he would happily recommend either APR or Revo - Both tuners are well established, highly reputable, and know what they are doing.
Jonny pays for his mods.
And he was revo on his TTRS till he left them for APR. I can imagine there were two or 3 reasons for that :popcornsoda:
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Jonny pays for his mods.
And he was revo on his TTRS till he left them for APR. I can imagine there were two or 3 reasons for that :popcornsoda:
....I don't think it matters whether Jonny or anyone else pays for their mods or not - It is a very fair and acceptable way of being thanked for testing any product.
So, are you going to share the reasons you imagine or is the subject too controversial? Meanwhile the rest of us can only use our imagination and many will probably think the worst.
Surely this is a subject best answered by Jonny himself anyway, if he wishes to.
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Well it was posted on vagoc a few days ago in a TTRS thread that REVO blew his engine so I'd imagine that's the reason. Think it was hush hush before, but its certainly public knowledge on vagoc now :grin:
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Well, i am suprised this thread made it to page 3 beofre turning to sh*t. I will give it one more page then obviously it will get binned. :indifferent:
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I agree Mr Cat.
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Well it was posted on vagoc a few days ago in a TTRS thread that REVO blew his engine so I'd imagine that's the reason. Think it was hush hush before, but its certainly public knowledge on vagoc now :grin:
Not on VAGOC so any idea on what happened eg cause?
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Well it was posted on vagoc a few days ago in a TTRS thread that REVO blew his engine so I'd imagine that's the reason. Think it was hush hush before, but its certainly public knowledge on vagoc now :grin:
Not on VAGOC so any idea on what happened eg cause?
I could not find it on VAGOC either, found Jonny's threads but can't see it?
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Well, i am suprised this thread made it to page 3 beofre turning to sh*t. I will give it one more page then obviously it will get binned. :indifferent:
With that attitude no wonder it turns to sh*t if people expect it to... :surprised:
This thread is hear to inform me and others of the marketplace siutation from this forum's POV.
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Well, i am suprised this thread made it to page 3 beofre turning to sh*t. I will give it one more page then obviously it will get binned. :indifferent:
With that attitude no wonder it turns to sh*t if people expect it to... :surprised:
This thread is hear to inform me and others of the marketplace siutation from this forum's POV.
:wink:
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Anyway...
The results are starting to look what I expected them to. There is a decent spread of maps, but i knew Revo would be the clear leader, as its very 'recommended' when people come to forums I guess.
Its nice to see APR have a good representation though.
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Which tuner has mapped your car Dan. :
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Which tuner has mapped your car Dan. :
The one that doesnt melt ttrs engines :laugh:
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IMO both tuners apr and revo are the same. The differences were that the aftersales help of apr was shocking and revo was good , apr disappeared for a while then came back and said to awesome gti about supplying it , awesome gti then turned around and said only if they were the only distributer of the software in the uk ... so apr came back with a bang as most people like awesome gti and trust their judgment , for me every car is different and gets mapped different . 1 map on one person’s car will not act the same on another’s.... I would like to try an apr map 2 see what difference if any it would make on my car however I live in Scotland and do not want to have 2 travel down to awesome gti every time I need something tweaked . :happy2:
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Which tuner has mapped your car Dan. :
The one that doesnt melt ttrs engines :laugh:
Sorry pal i have not read the whole thread, i thought you were on the strip and selected 1st instead of 3rd for your Engine to blow up. Are you saying Revo blew your engine up. :chicken:
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Which tuner has mapped your car Dan. :
The one that doesnt melt ttrs engines :laugh:
Sorry pal i have not read the whole thread, i thought you were on the strip and selected 1st instead of 3rd for your Engine to blow up. Are you saying Revo blew your engine up. :chicken:
my engine didnt blow up, but yes the other one did :scared:
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
you mean jonnys :wink:
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for me every car is different and gets mapped different . 1 map on one person’s car will not act the same on another’s....
....And different because of different hardware mods. For that reason I can understand the bigger tuners APR and Revo now adopting hardware to sell with their software - I think it doesn't necessarily suit all consumers though but that's another subject.
Although forum recommendations can have a strong influence on our buying decisions, I think that most products (in this case remaps) ultimately survive on their own merits.
R-Tech have gone from strength to strength on this forum.
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
you mean jonnys :wink:
Were they out logging it and it just blew up. :chicken:
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IMO both tuners apr and revo are the same. The differences were that the aftersales help of apr was shocking and revo was good , apr disappeared for a while then came back and said to awesome gti about supplying it , awesome gti then turned around and said only if they were the only distributer of the software in the uk ... so apr came back with a bang as most people like awesome gti and trust their judgment , for me every car is different and gets mapped different . 1 map on one person’s car will not act the same on another’s.... I would like to try an apr map 2 see what difference if any it would make on my car however I live in Scotland and do not want to have 2 travel down to awesome gti every time I need something tweaked . :happy2:
This is incorrect. AwesomeGTI arent the sole APR distributers, theres loads of agents in the UK now.
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I have revo on my current and had it on my old car too. Very happy with both.
Pov - don't you get bored Revo bashing? I get bored reading it.
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
you mean jonnys :wink:
Were they out logging it and it just blew up. :chicken:
Theres a reason why it melted id imagine. Why didnt the inbuilt safety paramters kick in to safe the engine?
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I have revo on my current and had it on my old car too. Very happy with both.
Pov - don't you get bored Revo bashing? I get bored reading it.
Dont read it?
Im just setting the record straight after someone else bought it up :happy2:
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I have revo on my current and had it on my old car too. Very happy with both.
Pov - don't you get bored Revo bashing? I get bored reading it.
He has just explained above he is one of there not so under cover agents. :laugh:
And let him carry on, Jonny used to do exactly the same to APR then ended up with them. :wink:
Poor POV might one day go back to Revo and will be hounded everywhere he goes. :evilgrin:
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
you mean jonnys :wink:
Were they out logging it and it just blew up. :chicken:
Theres a reason why it melted id imagine. Why didnt the inbuilt safety paramters kick in to safe the engine?
Wasn't this an incident with a lack of water meth?
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I have revo on my current and had it on my old car too. Very happy with both.
Pov - don't you get bored Revo bashing? I get bored reading it.
He has just explained above he is one of there not so under cover agents. :laugh:
And let him carry on, Jonny used to do exactly the same to APR then ended up with them. :wink:
Poor POV might one day go back to Revo and will be hounded everywhere he goes. :evilgrin:
They are called sneezers Mr Cat. :wink:
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This is incorrect. AwesomeGTI arent the sole APR distributers, theres loads of agents in the UK now.
....And I have heard that APR insist on their distributors solely offering APR and none of the remaps by others. But, whether this is true or not, I'm not sure that this post will be still on topic or not.
All car forum discussions, not just here, on remaps seem to always degenerate into a tuner 'war'. :sad1:
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I have revo on my current and had it on my old car too. Very happy with both.
Pov - don't you get bored Revo bashing? I get bored reading it.
He has just explained above he is one of there not so under cover agents. :laugh:
And let him carry on, Jonny used to do exactly the same to APR then ended up with them. :wink:
Poor POV might one day go back to Revo and will be hounded everywhere he goes. :evilgrin:
I think thats doubtful.
I find it amusing that anyone who criticises revo is labelled a basher. Should people not be informed about the pro's and cons? Suppose some like to hush any problems or issues under the carpet. Who that benefits, I dont know, its certainly not forum members.
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I think that both APR and Revo are good enough and big enough to take care of themselves without our help.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_INK%2FAPRvsRevo.jpg&hash=b726c5840e5032a7ec5954fa9a6afaaca1603e2c)
Rightly or wrongly, they both offer very good products and are the market leaders and have a long history of rivalry.
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So Revo blew your engine up. :smiley:
you mean jonnys :wink:
Were they out logging it and it just blew up. :chicken:
Theres a reason why it melted id imagine. Why didnt the inbuilt safety paramters kick in to safe the engine?
I see your point about a reason, but you are just casting aspersions without fact or the full picture being divulged. :wink:
I could easily say APR have just recently blown up StevePs engine. Which they did. :smiley: along with a few others that were sitting in the APR graveyard. But without posting the full story it looks like APR were at fault. Even though SteveP new the engine wasnt strong enough to last.
My point is Smoke and mirrors Pov anyone can make any tuner look bad. You just make yourself look foolish. :wink:
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Yes thats fair enough, but I was merely the devils advocate, as there where things beings said as fact, whilst being untrue.
I have heard from the horses mouth what happened. Ive also heard the story which the other party are using as damage control. I suspect the latter is the version you have heard :wink:
I dont care for tuner wars, Im happy with who im working with now, Im not concentrating on others etc.
However I do believe in transparency, and I resent being labelled a basher for criticing a company I used to deal with alot. Without our criticism how are companies meant to move order. The onus is on them to improve where they are weak. If they do that no one can point any fingers.
I wont even bring up the 5200rpm debacle which proves my point further
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My point is Smoke and mirrors Pov anyone can make any tuner look bad. You just make yourself look foolish. :wink:
Sums it up for me. I have always wanted to meet Pov as I believe he is a top lad but I find it hard to read his posts now as its almost certain what they will contain.
I seriously doubt Revo will ever give him the time of day again if it came to it though :grin:
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From my perspective if a company has something to sell they should come on here, tell us what it can do and then leave it up to us as individuals to make our own minds up. All this X is crap, Y is better rubbish just has he opposite effect on me and just makes me more determined not to use the product from Y.
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My point is Smoke and mirrors Pov anyone can make any tuner look bad. You just make yourself look foolish. :wink:
Sums it up for me. I have always wanted to meet Pov as I believe he is a top lad but I find it hard to read his posts now as its almost certain what they will contain.
I seriously doubt Revo will ever give him the time of day again if it came to it though :grin:
They didnt anyway, once they have your money and you have a problem.
"its not our tune, its the car"
And I quote, re 5200rpm flat spot
This is NOT a software issue;
this will be related to the TSB VAG currently have out on the valve springs in K04 cars..... depending on how old the vehicle is and how restrictive your exhaust is will depend on if the issue is apparent on the vehicle, our K1 has no such issue, none of the cars i have setup have had this issue unless they are within the said VAG TSB.
sorry to be blunt but i want it to be clear for you all so you are all well informed!
And thats now proven to be a lie :wink:
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Which tuner has mapped your car Dan. :
I was orignally with Revo with Stage 1 and 2, then I had the APR turbo kit which meant I had APR software.
Please keep the bitching off here guys, I dont want an over zealous mod locking this useful thread!
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Come on Pov, stop now before people stop believing a word you say.
Honestly you dont do APR any favours talking like this, even though you think you are. You, they, should just let the software do the talking. :happy2:
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Remapping any engine is highly likely to expose any weaknesses it may have. It is a risk and the more you push the performance envelope to its limits, the higher the risk.
The likes of JonnyC, SteveP, and Hurdy, are happy to push the limits on their cars.
Tuners really can't afford for their remaps to damage cars too often and it's not always the fault of the remap as some folks would suggest.
I don't blame Revo for the crack in my Turbo's wastegate, it probably only exposed a one-off VW manufacturing fault in the manifold casting that was already there. An APR, or indeed any other, remap may just as easily have done the same.
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Come on Pov, stop now before people stop believing a word you say.
Honestly you dont do APR any favours talking like this, even though you think you are. You, they, should just let the software do the talking. :happy2:
What has any of this got to do with APR? Im not an employee, im talking about revo. I obviously know your thoughts on the matter.
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Mine doesnt have a flat spot. :confused:
REVO are dear, but Ill say that the service I have received from them has been fantastic up until now.
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Come on Pov, stop now before people stop believing a word you say.
Honestly you dont do APR any favours talking like this, even though you think you are. You, they, should just let the software do the talking. :happy2:
What has any of this got to do with APR? Im not an employee, im talking about revo. I obviously know your thoughts on the matter.
I hope you dont think all of our members fell out of a tree, just yesterday. Do you honestly think people cant see what you are doing. Seriously you are way over the top with your comments and i am confident all you end up doing is harming APR not promoting them.
R- tech's reputation has grown on here steadily over the months. This comes from members getting there cars mapped and sharing there experiences they had when they went down there. None of them come on burst through the door with guns blazing saying Revo blew up my dads factory.
Reputation is gained through respect, you honestly just dirty the waters fro APR. :happy2:
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My point is Smoke and mirrors Pov anyone can make any tuner look bad. You just make yourself look foolish. :wink:
Sums it up for me. I have always wanted to meet Pov as I believe he is a top lad but I find it hard to read his posts now as its almost certain what they will contain.
I seriously doubt Revo will ever give him the time of day again if it came to it though :grin:
They didnt anyway, once they have your money and you have a problem.
"its not our tune, its the car"
And I quote, re 5200rpm flat spot
This is NOT a software issue;
this will be related to the TSB VAG currently have out on the valve springs in K04 cars..... depending on how old the vehicle is and how restrictive your exhaust is will depend on if the issue is apparent on the vehicle, our K1 has no such issue, none of the cars i have setup have had this issue unless they are within the said VAG TSB.
sorry to be blunt but i want it to be clear for you all so you are all well informed!
And thats now proven to be a lie :wink:
:sick:
Has it actually been proven to be a lie? Can you prove otherwise regarding the valve springs?
Revo have made a revision in the latest version of their S2+ file to assist with this issue, not that my current car or loads of other Revo S2+ cars ever had it.
Regardless, how many different code revisions have other tuners like GIAC, APR, Bluefin etc had for whatever reason?
Here is hoping other tuners work Northward so we have a good choice like they do down south. Up here we have Revo in Aberdeen, GIAC in Fife (according to Stars website although APR are supposed to be there too) and a shower of others a bit further south. It's hardly surprising that most Northerners have Revo.
Seriously you are way over the top with your comments and i am confident all you end up doing is harming APR not promoting them.
Have to agree. Thats why he got banned from SeatCupra.net
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Mine doesnt have a flat spot. :confused:
REVO are dear, but Ill say that the service I have received from them has been fantastic up until now.
Not everyone had it, but alot did. It also didnt show up till pushing on flat out upwards of 4th, 5th n 6th, so alot of people didnt notice.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9196.15.html
To summarise,
Myself and cuprak1 had the flat spot issues. Emailing revo they said it was the cars and not making progress with them. This was back in 09, my car was a 09 plate, cupra k1's a 58. So brand new cars in effect.
Frustrated and posted about it on the forums.
Revo insisted its the cars and not the software. Blamed weak valvesprings in 08 cars onwards.
I found out cars with the stronger valve springs had the same issue ie 07 cars
Revo again claim its not the software.
I then found out a revo agent in greece was fitting rs4 valves to try and overcome this.
Still no admission from revo.
RS4 valve then found to help reduce the flat spot
Found out its happening because revo software requests more fuel than the stock hardware can deliver
Revo agents start advising rs4 valves to be fitted.
Fast forward 2012, revo release updated 2.0TFSI software which fixes the flat spot.
So if its fixed all of a sudden by an update, it obviously wasnt the car :happy2:
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Have to agree. Thats why he got banned from SeatCupra.net
Are you sure about that.
He's also banned nick from r-tech, vw technical staff, oh and a host of other members that are on vagtuning...The might of sponsors aye :wink:
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From my perspective if a company has something to sell they should come on here, tell us what it can do and then leave it up to us as individuals to make our own minds up. All this X is crap, Y is better rubbish just has he opposite effect on me and just makes me more determined not to use the product from Y.
I agree. But we also need people's experiences posted. More information means more people can make an informed decision on which tuner to use. Simply posting RR logs IMO isn't enough. It's all about customer care and aftersales care.
They didnt anyway, once they have your money and you have a problem.
"its not our tune, its the car"
And I quote, re 5200rpm flat spot
I remember hearing about this. What concerned me was not so much the issue itself but the way in which it was dealt. This is also important as it is a reflection of the company's attitudes to customers. I don't mind as much if someone doesn't know the answer but I will be aggrieved if they plain out lie.
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The more I hear about APR and Revo the more satisfied it makes me knowing I did not choose either of them for my remap, let them battle it out, let the fanboys be fanboys and let the haters hate :signLOL:
I chose this forum specifically as it has no "sponsor power" (hopefully) and that threads dont get deleted posts amended because said tuner is getting grief (not shown in a pistive glowing warm and fuzzy light), that happens on enough other forums, let's not make this one the same! :popcornsoda:
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Mine doesnt have a flat spot. :confused:
REVO are dear, but Ill say that the service I have received from them has been fantastic up until now.
Not everyone had it, but alot did. It also didnt show up till pushing on flat out upwards of 4th, 5th n 6th, so alot of people didnt notice.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9196.15.html
To summarise,
Myself and cuprak1 had the flat spot issues. Emailing revo they said it was the cars and not making progress with them. This was back in 09, my car was a 09 plate, cupra k1's a 58. So brand new cars in effect.
Frustrated and posted about it on the forums.
Revo insisted its the cars and not the software. Blamed weak valvesprings in 08 cars onwards.
I found out cars with the stronger valve springs had the same issue ie 07 cars
Revo again claim its not the software.
I then found out a revo agent in greece was fitting rs4 valves to try and overcome this.
Still no admission from revo.
RS4 valve then found to help reduce the flat spot
Found out its happening because revo software requests more fuel than the stock hardware can deliver
Revo agents start advising rs4 valves to be fitted.
Fast forward 2012, revo release updated 2.0TFSI software which fixes the flat spot.
So if its fixed all of a sudden by an update, it obviously wasnt the car :happy2:
It's quite funny actualy, i had a flat spot on my car from 5200rpm onwards, car totally lost boost.
My APR K04 software requested a lambda value of 0,75, which saw their own pump not able to deliver within the 25% margin of the lambda value the ECU wants.
I changed numerous parts after numerous logging sessions on APR demand, only when a now good friend helped me log i found out the above. It took more than 90 emails with APR USA to get them to change the file to my specs.
At that point i felt that even though i had gotten my map changed i needed a company with more customer care and in REVO i have found it.
That being said seems APR have gotten their act together map wise, and i wellcome the competition, and in the end i will say ETTO :drinking:
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The more I hear about APR and Revo the more satisfied it makes me knowing I did not choose either of them for my remap, let them battle it out, let the fanboys be fanboys and let the haters hate :signLOL:
I chose this forum specifically as it has no "sponsor power" (hopefully) and that threads dont get deleted posts amended because said tuner is getting grief (not shown in a pistive glowing warm and fuzzy light), that happens on enough other forums, let's not make this one the same! :popcornsoda:
Here here :happy2:
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Had revo since owning the car more than happy with it
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Every one fights for the side that they are with obviously when u spend a £1000 on a map u try and justify it to urself that you made the right decision and then try and justify it to everyone else ... every company has good and bad points and i don't think i would be disapointed with either company's maps.
As long as you feel that the car drives good after it then all the people saying but such and such gets an extra 10bhp and the torque is higher .. well im sorry but i enjoy my car with the map that is on it .
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Ive got to agree, I think more and more people are abandoning the big names and going to the more dedicated mappers such as RTech and Ecotech Performance (Get Dyno'd) now as theyre wanting a more bespoke map. Plus these guys are fantastic with the 1.8t so it stands to reason theyre going to be on top of their game when they do the newer cars. I know of a lot of guys who swear by Nick and his team at Rtech and Simon at Ecotech. Thats why I voted Rtech :happy2:
This deffo isnt the m0rk from SCN with that response?
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Surely not
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Ive got to agree, I think more and more people are abandoning the big names and going to the more dedicated mappers such as RTech and Ecotech Performance (Get Dyno'd) now as theyre wanting a more bespoke map. Plus these guys are fantastic with the 1.8t so it stands to reason theyre going to be on top of their game when they do the newer cars. I know of a lot of guys who swear by Nick and his team at Rtech and Simon at Ecotech. Thats why I voted Rtech :happy2:
Its not a question of who would you choose...the question is which map do you HAVE. :P
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And a question of aftersales service, Nick and co offer both, they are fanatics! They tweak and tweak, and tweak, and by God, they will get u the most power they can, or send u packing (politely) until u have items that will assist u in getting more power!! As I said, hard pushed to find any1 on this forum who has a negative word to say about R Tech! :-D
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Surely not
Nah its someobdy taking the p155
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Its not a question of who would you choose...the question is which map do you HAVE. :P
....Agreed but I don't see it being inappropriate to post why you chose the map you have. It just doesn't want to either sound like a sales pitch or trashing a competitor for the sake of commercial rivalry (APR vs Revo being the prime example). :happy2:
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Its not a question of who would you choose...the question is which map do you HAVE. :P
....Agreed but I don't see it being inappropriate to post why you chose the map you have. It just doesn't want to either sound like a sales pitch or trashing a competitor for the sake of commercial rivalry (APR vs Revo being the prime example). :happy2:
APR vs APR Revo again :indifferent:
They both charge too much for similar things others do for £300 less (barring the gimmicks of course) :grin:
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i heard that apple do good maps :sad1:
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i heard that apple do good maps :sad1:
.... :laugh: Apple do good everything.
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i heard that apple do good maps :sad1:
.... :laugh: Apple do good everything.
.... Well, apple maps suck big time, so I would have to disagree RR. :-)
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Big Shock!!