MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: CMB on October 05, 2012, 03:29:40 pm
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Ive just traded my 2007 Ibiza 1.9tdi in for a 2006 Golf GTI, and although i was expecting nowhere near the 50+ mpg i was seeing on the diesel i was still expecting a lot better than I'm getting on the GTI. On short trips around town I'm not seeing anything above 20mpg usually around 12-15 and on a 2 hour motorway journey taking it easy, always below 80 I've yet to see it above 32mpg. Is this normal? Ive read some people getting 40mpg on motorway runs?? Love the car, so much nicer to drive than the Ibiza but i just can't afford to be putting that much petrol in, the ibiza cupra tdi is calling my name :sad1:
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Sounds abouut normal, My Ed30 gets around 21mpg round town and 33mpg on a decent run, buy a GTI expect economy to drop a LOT. :happy2:
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mine gets 23/24 aound town and 38 at 65/70
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I don't know, my GTi is around 30+ around town and 39 upwards for motorway journeys. It depends on how you drive it really
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Yup that's about right buddy.
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on my 7 mile drive to work (A-roads & through town) I achieve 31-34 mpg most days :happy2: and on last years' run to Alton towers, I managed to average 38!
In real terms I get about 50-65 miles to a tenner of tesco 99, which isn't bad considering my diesel civic got around 70-80 miles to a tenner.. supposedly averaging 47+mpg
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Try driving it 'gently', from cold the mpg will be high initially, say 10-20mpg. After a mile or so it should be up around 20-25mpg. Once warm around town you should get around 25mpg or more. Motorway 70-80mph you should get around 35mpg. If it's a lot worse that this with 'sensible' driving then there is a problem and you need to get it checked.
If you go for a 'spirited' drive you should still get 20+mpg on a standard car.
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on my 7 mile drive to work (A-roads & through town) I achieve 31-34 mpg most days :happy2: and on last years' run to Alton towers, I managed to average 38!
In real terms I get about 50-65 miles to a tenner of tesco 99, which isn't bad considering my diesel civic got around 70-80 miles to a tenner.. supposedly averaging 47+mpg
..........my ED30 is around the same.
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ive had mine a month and covered 450 miles or so - on the drive back from where i got the car (250 miles on the motorway) i was getting 36 mpg, i get around 20 driving through London.
Mine is a 2006 stock gti with 83k on the clock.
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on my 7 mile drive to work (A-roads & through town) I achieve 31-34 mpg most days :happy2: and on last years' run to Alton towers, I managed to average 38!
In real terms I get about 50-65 miles to a tenner of tesco 99, which isn't bad considering my diesel civic got around 70-80 miles to a tenner.. supposedly averaging 47+mpg
..........my ED30 is around the same.
yep mines about the same, i got 115miles on 20 quid not bad for a 2.0 turbo
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On my K03 Mk5 GTI I never see more than 32 mpg even on a 492 mile drive. There's no point looking at the mpg for a local round town journey.... 17 mpg perhaps?
28 mpg is mostly what my dashboard display shows but can be less if I'm really enjoying it a lot.
The GTI has reasonable fuel economy but isn't really the car to buy if mpg is important to you.
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Don't sell your car...give her a chance ffs! :wink:
As mentioned above there may be service work needed. Spend some time getting the car running well and you should get 39-41mpg at 70mph.
Change your oil, spark plugs, air filter etc. and see if it improves.
PJ
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Ive just traded my 2007 Ibiza 1.9tdi in for a 2006 Golf GTI, and although i was expecting nowhere near the 50+ mpg i was seeing on the diesel i was still expecting a lot better than I'm getting on the GTI. On short trips around town I'm not seeing anything above 20mpg usually around 12-15 and on a 2 hour motorway journey taking it easy, always below 80 I've yet to see it above 32mpg. Is this normal? Ive read some people getting 40mpg on motorway runs?? Love the car, so much nicer to drive than the Ibiza but i just can't afford to be putting that much petrol in, the ibiza cupra tdi is calling my name :sad1:
i wouldn't pay attention within the 1st month of your ownership. I got through so much fuel in the first few weeks it was unreal! you will soon learn the power is delivered different than the diesel and you dont need to be so heavy footed in certain places and your mpg will even out. 12-15 however is quite bad :grin: you are looking at number "1" in the average mpg section?
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Don't sell your car...give her a chance ffs! :wink:
As mentioned above there may be service work needed. Spend some time getting the car running well and you should get 39-41mpg at 70mph.
Change your oil, spark plugs, air filter etc. and see if it improves.
PJ
....I agree about not selling so soon, but are you really seeing 39-41 mpg!!? :surprised: Is that on the dash clocks display? Even on the rare occasions when I've had to granny it and keep revs down and under 70 or had to do miles and miles in slow traffic in D-mode DSG, I have never seen more than ~32 mpg (on the display).
My car is serviced every 10k miles with new plugs every 20k miles.
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could be an issue that might be resolved easily - plugs, pcv?
i get about 24 out of my stg 2+ Ed30 (360 bhp) if you put your foot down everywhere it it will be a lot less than that, but i once saw about 41-42 i think driving like a granny on the m6 back from Birmingham
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Yeah maybe selling so soon is a bit drastic ha, wasn't being totally serious saying that but when i read 12mpg its a bit of a wake up call! Yeah I'm reading the right display the average for the journey I'm on, the number 2 is at 27mpg but I've mainly been driving on motorways. Going to change the oil, filter and plugs soon see if it creeps up a little, id be happy with 35mpg on a normal motorway run but I've been taking it really easy trying to see what i can get and its usually between 27-32 which just seems low. One other problem I'm wondering if you could help me with, the oil filler cap isn't there? how am i meant to put oil in it? can i just buy another and it will snap on or something? Also what oil would you recommend? Cheers for the replies!
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One other problem I'm wondering if you could help me with, the oil filler cap isn't there? how am i meant to put oil in it? can i just buy another and it will snap on or something? Also what oil would you recommend? Cheers for the replies!
....What!!? Are you driving without the oil filler cap on the engine? - I don't want to scare you but that is not good! Not good at all - Get one very urgently.
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are you really seeing 39-41 mpg!!?
I always get 39-41mpg cruising at 70mph on a motorway. If I push it to 80mph it drops to around 35mpg. These are the figures from the average mpg on my midline display. NB: I don't have cruise control fitted.
the oil filler cap isn't there?
What?? :scared:
Get one immediately you madman!!
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I am surprised by some of the figures in this thread. How are you guys getting anything like 39-41mpg :confused:
I have never seen over 34mpg and its usually around 22-28mpg.
OP something doesn't sound right as even having fun I havent seen below 20.
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Have to agree with the above. I've just moved from a 2.0 tdi 140 which averaged 43-45MPG around town and 50-55 MPG on a run, to a stock 55 plate GTI 5 door and you can't compare the two. You don't buy a GTI based on running costs especially when you factor in V-power @ £1.46/l (around my way), insurance, road tax, tyres etc.
I'm quite happy with the 38MPG I had on the MFA on the 40 miles drive back home when I picked it up, thats rapidly dropping as the grin factor kicks in !
MFA 1 displays around 22-24MPG around town when cold rising to around 27-28 when warmed up. Ive just accepted that's the way it is. Wouldn't go back to the tdi though (apart from the midrange torque - miss that!), the GTI beats it hands down.
Just my two pennys worth............
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I think in terms of a ratio of performance to economy the 2.0TFSI is pretty poor. Even when tiptoeing around barely touching the accelerator my car still returns poor MPG. I really hope the forthcoming engine in the new GTI is a dramatic improvement or the car no longer makes sense for me as a daily driver. I'm already tempted by the MK7 1.4 TSI.
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How are you guys getting anything like 39-41mpg :confused:
Maybe it's because my tyres are like Telly Savalas' pate :laugh:
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I think in terms of a ratio of performance to economy the 2.0TFSI is pretty poor. Even when tiptoeing around barely touching the accelerator my car still returns poor MPG. I really hope the forthcoming engine in the new GTI is a dramatic improvement or the car no longer makes sense for me as a daily driver. I'm already tempted by the MK7 1.4 TSI.
....You're probably right and applying a ratio of performance is very valid (all IMO). Remapping doesn't seem to adversely effect the mpg significantly but does deliver a definite difference in performance and therefore will influence that ratio.
Car manufacturers are increasingly developing smaller size engines with far better power but better mpg - It's what the general public want.
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How are you guys getting anything like 39-41mpg :confused:
Maybe it's because my tyres are like Telly Savalas' pate :laugh:
....I hope not! We don't want to be reading that your car is in a ditch, hedge or worse, mate.
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^^^Just kidding! They're budget jobs :fighting: that came with the car and have 3-4mm tread depth left.
When I finally get my 18's I'll be fitting some real tyres, probably those GoodYear Asyms as they seem to be fantastic.
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No its still sealed so nothing can get in there its just the cap from it has gone so i can't unscrew it? Any ideas?
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Ive just traded my 2007 Ibiza 1.9tdi in for a 2006 Golf GTI, and although i was expecting nowhere near the 50+ mpg i was seeing on the diesel i was still expecting a lot better than I'm getting on the GTI. On short trips around town I'm not seeing anything above 20mpg usually around 12-15 and on a 2 hour motorway journey taking it easy, always below 80 I've yet to see it above 32mpg. Is this normal? Ive read some people getting 40mpg on motorway runs?? Love the car, so much nicer to drive than the Ibiza but i just can't afford to be putting that much petrol in, the ibiza cupra tdi is calling my name :sad1:
I think there's some mildly mis-sold or mis-purchased expectation in here unfortunately fella. You won't 'often get 40mpg on motorway runs' in a k03 or k04 GTI, that's just unrealistic. Even the most finely serviced, looked after, oil and tyre pressure maintained GTI won't do that seamlessly, even cruising below peak speeds.
The highest I ever got from mine was 44MPG over a run, but bear in mind that was a 300 mile round trip and I had to drive with economy in mind to come anywhere close.
On the way to work (a 12 mile commute one way, mixture of A and B roads 30-60mph limits) I would see 33 or 34mpg most days, but that's also taking it very steady. It would also include cruising velocity of 60-62mph for the stretch of dual carriageway (4 miles or so). It's intently boring but that's realistically the only way you'll get close to any quoted economy figures as well as close to the manufacturer quoted figures.
Blast around town and you'll see low 20mpg's, without doubt. Also, if I did the same commute I just mentioned using boost (a typical late morning :laugh: ) while traveling up towards three figure motorway speeds on the A14, I could expect no better than a 25mpg figure simply because when using the performance, that's the volume of fuel used to deliver it.
In 3.5 years of owning my 2006 k03 GTI I saw 40mpg less than a handful of times (even on long journeys) and that was really trying.
Don't be under any false illusions, it's not built and designed for steady MPG figures :happy2:
What you are getting seems about right of most of the driving cost experiences on here.
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Yeah maybe selling so soon is a bit drastic ha, wasn't being totally serious saying that but when i read 12mpg its a bit of a wake up call! Yeah I'm reading the right display the average for the journey I'm on, the number 2 is at 27mpg but I've mainly been driving on motorways. Going to change the oil, filter and plugs soon see if it creeps up a little, id be happy with 35mpg on a normal motorway run but I've been taking it really easy trying to see what i can get and its usually between 27-32 which just seems low. One other problem I'm wondering if you could help me with, the oil filler cap isn't there? how am i meant to put oil in it? can i just buy another and it will snap on or something? Also what oil would you recommend? Cheers for the replies!
I think I know what you mean about oil cap, it appears like only half of it is there right? The cap is in two parts and it appears your top half is missing. Just buy a new one from VW for 5-6 quid and take the other one out with a set of pliers :smiley:
Very easy to fix, absolutely no safety concern with the car at all, just a bugger to get in to top up oil unless you fancy taking pliers round when you want to top up oil :happy2:
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No its still sealed so nothing can get in there its just the cap from it has gone so i can't unscrew it? Any ideas?
See my post above :happy2:
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This thread is the reason why I'm considering going from the 1.9 Tdi to the 1.4 TFSI Polo GTi, these new smaller engines seem very good, although a few early problems I have heard. Going from 55mpg on a run to about 40mpg could give me a good kick, well worth it though!
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No its still sealed so nothing can get in there its just the cap from it has gone so i can't unscrew it? Any ideas?
....Get her round to a VW dealer or VW specialist ASAP and they'll supply a new cap and sort it out for you. Shouldn't take long at all.
So, I'm understanding that it's just the upper 'grab handle' part of the oil filler cap which has come adrift and is missing. Much easier and more reliable to buy a new one than try to repair the one you've got.
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Yeah JSTAV thats exactly what i meant, cheers buddy!
Yeah just the grab handle bit mate cheers.
I know you don't buy a GTI for economy reasons but sub 15mpg on an around town blast seems way lower than anyone else is seeing?
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Yeah JSTAV thats exactly what i meant, cheers buddy!
Yeah just the grab handle bit mate cheers.
I know you don't buy a GTI for economy reasons but sub 15mpg on an around town blast seems way lower than anyone else is seeing?
No problem, confused me at first as well :laugh:
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on my 7 mile drive to work (A-roads & through town) I achieve 31-34 mpg most days :happy2: and on last years' run to Alton towers, I managed to average 38!
In real terms I get about 50-65 miles to a tenner of tesco 99, which isn't bad considering my diesel civic got around 70-80 miles to a tenner.. supposedly averaging 47+mpg
..........my ED30 is around the same.
Same here for my ED30! :laugh:
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Think of it as a sadistic pleasure.... petrol in.... wallet empty.... smile on face!! :driver: :driver: :driver:
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Think of it as a sadistic pleasure.... petrol in.... wallet empty.... smile on face!! :driver: :driver: :driver:
.... :signLOL:
Another version is.... Out shopping with wifey/GF.... wallet empty.... smile on face!!
Oh, hang on, I may have got that a bit wrong :grin:
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My Eddie always averages 32-34
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My Eddie always averages 32-34
Even to the shops? :confused:
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lol i mean the trip computer. I reset it everytime I fill up, and the average is always around 32-34
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I'm not exactly light on the accerator getting up to speed but I always get around 34mpg for mixed driving, and not much less than that on my 6 mile 30/40mph drive to the station from cold.
On longer motorway runs 37 or 38 is normal. On a 160 mile trip going basically 78 ish all the way I got just over 40mpg.
I love the feeling of acceleration so get to speed quickly so it is not like I am using low revs all the time.
The GTI is to be enjoyed IMO so you take the 'lower than a diesel' mpg and replace it with a great noise and great drive :happy2:
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So 40mpg at basically 80mph? Can't say I've ever seen close to that, and if its true I feel pretty short changed!
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So 40mpg at basically 80mph? Can't say I've ever seen close to that, and if its true I feel pretty short changed!
Well between 76 and 78 I would say, but that was late evening on cruise with pretty empty roads so didn't hand to change speed much.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy if I see 37mpg on the display :signLOL:
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So 40mpg at basically 80mph? Can't say I've ever seen close to that, and if its true I feel pretty short changed!
Well between 76 and 78 I would say, but that was late evening on cruise with pretty empty roads so didn't hand to change speed much.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy if I see 37mpg on the display :signLOL:
Must have been downhill all the way with the wind behind you!
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I get 27 mpg towing a 1250kg trailer with a boot full of jerry cans and clobber. When I read of people saying they get ~20mpg I assume they've been driving like they're doing a bank job, or shunting around town a mile here, a mile there, on a stone cold engine.
I'm not suggesting a petrol turbo is a miser's choice for one minute, but equally anyone thinking a modern diesel is a cheap ownership proposition has yet to experience injector / pump failure on a diesel.
If fuel cost is a bother, the best way to deal with it is to review how and why you use your car. If work is <15 miles away, cycle - I hate driving to work, it's a waste of my life averaging <30mph and a very boring way to dispose of petrol.
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Have logged my MPG since owning my Eddy and have averaged 27.8 MPG. I believe that's a fair reflection of the car and my right foot. Have seen everything from mid teens to mid forties.
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do you want to swap :signLOL:
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I think in terms of a ratio of performance to economy the 2.0TFSI is pretty poor. Even when tiptoeing around barely touching the accelerator my car still returns poor MPG. I really hope the forthcoming engine in the new GTI is a dramatic improvement or the car no longer makes sense for me as a daily driver. I'm already tempted by the MK7 1.4 TSI.
I regularly get 40-43mpg if I stick the cruise control on at 70mph (on the speedo) :grin: although it's a bit lower if the weather is cold.
These engines run very lean on light throttle (lambda 1 or summat - according R-Tech Nick). It's all about very light throttle inputs and maintaining speed. Loads of us on here have managed it :happy2:
Around town in stop start traffic, spooling the turbo means loads of fuel is dumped in and you end up with low 20's. Swings and roundabouts. . .
I used to get 40-41mpg out of my 2009 civic type-r doing the same and 36mpg out of my Focus ST. considering my car with the remap has more power than both of those I can comfortably say that performance to economy its actually VERY good for a hot hatch. :notworthy:
Graeme
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These engines run very lean on light throttle (lambda 1 or summat - according R-Tech Nick).
They run stoiciometric at light to mid-loads and on spool my Revo mapped car dips to about 12:1 (lambda 0.8) before settling to about 12.5 under sustained load. You need to run at stoic' for a catalyst to work, and is fairly typical of a non lean burn petrol engine.
The naturally aspirated K20A2 engine in my other car without a cat' (to pollute / knacker) I've mapped to 13.2 at WOT and leaned it off 15.5:1 at mid-load and low revs / low cam to really drive the economy (no point burning it, if you're not going for it).
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All I'm hearing is that you can get decent economy from it as long as you don't use the performance. That doesn't equal a good performance to economy ratio for me!
I do find it unusual though. 99% of my driving is in town, where I've just about managed to average 26 - 27MPG. That's driving like I'm scared to touch the throttle (always less than 2000rpm). I've filled up, reset the computer and immediately got on the motorway for an hour at 60mph, and not seen more than 33MPG.
In contrast, my wife's car (a BMW 320d M Sport Touring, 184bhp model) offers a far greater blend of performance and economy. Boot it around and you'll see 35MPG, or cruise at 80mph and you'll see 60MPG. It's pretty fun to drive too.
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All I'm hearing is that you can get decent economy from it as long as you don't use the performance. That doesn't equal a good performance to economy ratio for me!
I do find it unusual though. 99% of my driving is in town, where I've just about managed to average 26 - 27MPG. That's driving like I'm scared to touch the throttle (always less than 2000rpm). I've filled up, reset the computer and immediately got on the motorway for an hour at 60mph, and not seen more than 33MPG.
In contrast, my wife's car (a BMW 320d M Sport Touring, 184bhp model) offers a far greater blend of performance and economy. Boot it around and you'll see 35MPG, or cruise at 80mph and you'll see 60MPG. It's pretty fun to drive too.
You can have great performance OR great MPG. unfortunately you will never get both together :grin:
My mate has a 1.9 TDI golf mk4 with a hybrid turbo, big intercooler etc (235bhp). That does 50+mpg driven nicely, but will only do high30's /early 40's when driven hard.
Even diesel fuel economy suffers when using the performance :sad1:
BMW seem to have found a decent middle ground with the 2.0D :congrats:
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You buy a diesel for economy... I'd sell up... Obviously not the car for you, strange choice if economy was you priority...
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You buy a diesel for economy... I'd sell up... Obviously not the car for you, strange choice if economy was you priority...
I actaully got the ED30 FOR its economy!! I came from the MK4 4motion mind you..!
Rich
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Even diesel fuel economy suffers when using the performance :sad1:
BMW seem to have found a decent middle ground with the 2.0D :congrats:
....BMW are famous for their engines and quite rightly have earned many awards for them. :notworthy:
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I think economy also depends on what year the car is. I just had an engine change from AXX to BWA and the economy is not as good on the BWA engine.
Just did a BG44K service on mine, and the economy has got a little better :jumping:
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I do 10miles every morning and average around 33mpg doing 60mph. I have seen 37-39mpg on longer motorway trips. My engine is bwa
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You buy a diesel for economy... I'd sell up... Obviously not the car for you, strange choice if economy was you priority...
Economy obviously wasn't my priority I'm not dumb, but when others are telling me they get up to 40mpg on a motorway run and 20 odd around town and I get 32 and around 17 I feel pretty short changed..
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I saw 45 mpg once on a 30 mile trip, that was sitting at 55-60mph. Who needs diesel? :notworthy:
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^^^^ a car for all men (and women) :love:
Love the way (when using the loud pedal and doddering about) it puts a smile on my face. For that alone it's not worth worrying about MPG. :smiley:
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You buy a diesel for economy... I'd sell up... Obviously not the car for you, strange choice if economy was you priority...
Or a small petrol if you do mostly short distance urban journeys.
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I've only ever gotten 40 mpg on long runs (2-3 hour journeys) where I sit at 60mph with no overtaking. Otherwise it's 30-35mpg on those runs.
If it's around town, depending on what I'm doing, 18-24 mpg max.
I normally commute to work and have to fill the tank on a weekly basis. If I was after economy, I would have sold the ED30 and bought something else.
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I've always been impressed with the gti's fuel economy! at the end of the day its a reasonably heavy car with a 2litre turbo petrol engine in it with low profile tyres (awards for fuel economy its not going to win)
Maybe sell up, buy a R32, run that for a bit, then your think your gti was ok :grin: :happy2:
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It would certainly realign the OP's perception of economy after having driven a diesel!
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My 2006 gti did about 37mpg average because of my long motorway commute to work. Motorway runs at 70mph could average out at about 40mpg if you were gentle with the accelerator. Around town and on cold start ups was always nearer 25mpg. I think those figures are about as high as anybody would be able to achieve routinely.
Other things I noticed: 10% better economy on Shell V Power compared to standard 95RON fuel. Always gave 3mpg worse economy in cold winter months. New air filter +2mpg and the recall for replacement coil packs +2mpg.
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You can have great performance OR great MPG. unfortunately you will never get both together :grin:
Well, that's becoming nearly not true in today's world. Your later 330d's will offer a solid 45/48mpg when you're pottering with the family. When you nip home the quieter way from work cross country, they can be that six seconds to 60 and 155mph car too.
More and more manufacturers are trying this sorta' "hybrid" attempt at a frugal but drivers car that enthusiasts would turn to in the market. The E90 330d seems to have pioneered this for many owners.
Depends what you consider 'great' performance and 'great' MPG or running costs :laugh: :wink: The real world balance lies roughly with something like the 330d.
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Plus if you buy a bmw you get to drive like a complete ************************************************** :signLOL:
(only a joke folks :happy2:)
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Ive had my 2005 GTI over two years and NEVER seen mpg under 20 once Ive driven more than 5 miles. I only live 2 miles from work and it takes me less than ten mins to drive it (far too idle to cycle or walk!) the car isnt even warm when I switch it off and the MFA says over 30 MPG every time (mind you its all downhill!) On the was home (uphill) I usually see 23.5 MPG. When the car is warm , around town I get around 32-35 mpg and on a run between 38 and 42. My car is an early one with the AXX engine , I believe. Anyone regularly getting less than 20 mpg around town on a standard K03 GTI needs to get their car in for attention - theres something wrong with it.
MPG of a run from Berwick upon Tweed to Galashiels (45 miles) , mix of A and B roads , 50 -70 mph.
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You can have great performance OR great MPG. unfortunately you will never get both together :grin:
Well, that's becoming nearly not true in today's world. Your later 330d's will offer a solid 45/48mpg when you're pottering with the family. When you nip home the quieter way from work cross country, they can be that six seconds to 60 and 155mph car too.
More and more manufacturers are trying this sorta' "hybrid" attempt at a frugal but drivers car that enthusiasts would turn to in the market. The E90 330d seems to have pioneered this for many owners.
Depends what you consider 'great' performance and 'great' MPG or running costs :laugh: :wink: The real world balance lies roughly with something like the 330d.
If you use the power (foot to floor) then MPG will take some serious hammering. Diesel or petrol you will still lose a good percentage of fuel economy. To make that 200+ bhp the 330d produces will mean burning some diesel. As most people dip in and out of the power and spend the majority of the time cruising then 45+mpg is very reasonable.
I'd imagine on a track day in that BMW, using the turbo all the time, it would struggle for 30mpg.
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But that would be 10MPG+ more than a GTI...
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Thats one thing I hate about the gti, the high cost of petrol and tyres. I like my golf to much to sell her and shes done less then 30,000miles, I wonder would I save money in the long run if I bought a second car for daily commute and used the golf on weekends? I do 12,000 miles a year I was thinking get a nissan micra really old and cheap, it prop wont lose any value as its at its lowest point and would be peanuts to run and insure.
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^^^^ "hate" sounds like your driving the wrong tyre of car for your needs buddy.
If your running 19's and taking it to the track with 888's on then yes they are expensive but if your on 18's and running (for example) GY F1's then no they are not expensive, in fact I would say at £500 a set they are relatively cheap and will last a couple of years with non track driving.
Don't think you do enough miles to pay for a second car as a daily driver, factor in maintenance etc. If you buy a second car, buy brand new, one on 0% finance with a couple of £k put down and about £150 payments each month. First 3 years are usually covered for services and no MOT to worry about blah blah blah. Only worth it if your fuel bill is £300+ a month IMO. don't forget, you'll still be driving your GT and I as well.
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^^^^ "hate" sounds like your driving the wrong tyre of car for your needs buddy.
If your running 19's and taking it to the track with 888's on then yes they are expensive but if your on 18's and running (for example) GY F1's then no they are not expensive, in fact I would say at £500 a set they are relatively cheap and will last a couple of years with non track driving.
Don't think you do enough miles to pay for a second car as a daily driver, factor in maintenance etc. If you buy a second car, buy brand new, one on 0% finance with a couple of £k put down and about £150 payments each month. First 3 years are usually covered for services and no MOT to worry about blah blah blah. Only worth it if your fuel bill is £300+ a month IMO. don't forget, you'll still be driving your GT and I as well.
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just bought a set of 18 inch gy f1 asym 2s for £420 delivered so they aint to bad :happy2:
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Sounds like you need to shift the MPG vs performance balance a bit. I would expect a sporty diesel would be more the thing for the OP. Modern cars are reducing the compromise.
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That is quite low :confused:
I get 28mpg around town, more like 37mpg on a long trip. Best I've ever seen is 440mi to a tank (which in a 55L tank works out to just over 36 mpg)
It could be a variety of things but it does sound like something is wrong. If you're close to Hinckley I'd get R-Tech to have a look at it.
Good luck!
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Do you guys all trust the MFA reading to be accurate? Not sure how the mk5 picks up the reading but early golfs have a very primitive vacuum sensor. I'm guessing the mk5 done on a wheel sensor?
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I was low 20's in mk K1 around town and generally low 30'son the motorway. High 30's on the motorway when I behaved myself.
Some of the figures you guys quote is making my TT look good on petrol :confused:
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Some of the figures you guys quote is making my TT look good on petrol :confused:
It has been for the last few months. :wink:
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Any car around town, whether diesel or petrol, will be dire on MPG. I average 30-32 over a tank which is a mix of going through town and on A roads (not dual carriage / motorway). On the motorway I get 35-37 on the 18" alloys and 37-41 on the 16"s.
It also depends of course on how you drive, looking ahead so not braking unnecessarily, tyre make & condition, general engine condition, petrol type etc.
If you are worried about MPG, you have the wrong car, but it is something people seem obsessive with more recently when in most cases over the period of a year the cost isn't that much of an issue (compared to servicing, tax, insurance, repairs) unless doing a lot of miles. I'd rather pay a few hundred quid more in fuel than drive some dag dag.
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But that would be 10MPG+ more than a GTI...
Considering the difference in fuel cost. Id rather pay the extra few pence and enjoy the sound of a petrol :grin:
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Considering the difference in fuel cost. Id rather pay the extra few pence and enjoy the sound of a petrol :grin:
.... x 100 !!
The sound a car makes is a huge factor in its enjoyment (IMO).
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You guys have obviously not heard a 335d. Sounds miles better than a GTI! :drool:
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But that would be 10MPG+ more than a GTI...
Considering the difference in fuel cost. Id rather pay the extra few pence and enjoy the sound of a petrol :grin:
I thought there was a general consensus that the gti sounds like a diesel!!!
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You guys have obviously not heard a 335d. Sounds miles better than a GTI! :drool:
....All the ones I have heard so far have been while I've been out driving and they've been very quiet. At least they don't have that awful diseasal sound which many others have.
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And rattling interior/dash that comes with any diesel.
You guys have obviously not heard a 335d. Sounds miles better than a GTI! :drool:
....All the ones I have heard so far have been while I've been out driving and they've been very quiet. At least they don't have that awful diseasal sound which many others have.
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And rattling interior/dash that comes with any diesel.
.... :laugh: My petrol GTI is not without its occasional squeaks and rattles!
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no rattles on the dash in my soot chucker
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But that would be 10MPG+ more than a GTI...
Considering the difference in fuel cost. Id rather pay the extra few pence and enjoy the sound of a petrol :grin:
I thought there was a general consensus that the gti sounds like a diesel!!!
The mechanical noise at idle is similar. Not the exhaust note at full chat :grin:
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Yes, that mechanical noise at idle is the injectors ([I'm told) on the 2.0T FSI petrol engine. It's not heard once under way and not at the back:
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Movies/?action=view¤t=file-1.mp4
^ You can only just hear a hint of it if you listen hard for it.