MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Black9 on October 07, 2012, 07:53:37 am
-
Right guys got a bit of a problem lol, been looking for an edition 30 for ages now. Missed a stage 2+ one and was a bit gutted. Seen another one for sale (on the forum) its modded with VWR suspension mods, high spec, DSG & Revo stage 1.
Now here's the tricky part, recently my friend has offered me a very good PX deal on his Audi S3 MK2, doesn't have navigation or Recaro's but still really nice condition.
If I buy the Edition I'll still have my GTI to sell on and with today's car market being slow, may take a while to shift for the price I want. A PX with the S3 makes sense but for some reason my heart says ed30 lol
I already own a manual K03 GTI so maybe silly to move onto a K04?
I'd hope to go stage 2+ on the edition 30 but financially doesn't it make more sense to get the S3 which already has a larger rad, brakes and four wheel drive traction.
Any help & input would be good. Sure other members have been in the same position
-
If I was going stage 2+ again, and had the chance for that to be in a 4wd car, then i'd probably take it.. it's alot of power for the front wheels to cope with... But then again I find audi's quite bland to look at... That a tough one....
-
Have you driven them?
-
I prefer the look of the edition 30 ESP with the xenons etc.. I've not driven either. My mate lives around 4 hours drive from me and the ed30 is around 6 hours away. I have a GTI ATM so have a rough idea of what it's like to drive, although it is a manual. I say I'd hope to go stage 2+ but with 300 bhp doubt I'd feel the need too. Think brakes and susp mods would come first
-
S3 all day long
-
S3 all day long
Why?
-
S3 all day long
Why?
Better interior, better brakes, better intercooler, looks better(IMO), better traction.
So if you want to go stage 2+ you dont need to waste £400+ on an intercooler, or £500+ on brakes, or £1000+ on an LSD, or £50-£80 per corner on semi slick tyres to have traction.
-
What Sy said. My mate has an S3 and even in standard form its very rapid due to the 4wd system.
-
I've had an ED30 with stage 2+ (and more!) and currently have a stage 2+ Golf R (Like an S3, but better :wink:). I wouldn't go back to FWD after living with 4WD. The downsides,the S3 has the older RNS-E nav system, you cant help using all that extra traction and it affects the fuel consumption, needs the remap to at least stage 1 to make up for the extra weight. That's about it.
-
I've had an ED30 with stage 2+ (and more!) and currently have a stage 2+ Golf R (Like an S3, but better :wink:). I wouldn't go back to FWD after living with 4WD. The downsides,the S3 has the older RNS-E nav system, you cant help using all that extra traction and it affects the fuel consumption, needs the remap to at least stage 1 to make up for the extra weight. That's about it.
I agree with John if your going to push the power you need to have it controlled,apart from he is obviously on some kind of drugs thinking the his R is on par with an S3 :grin:
-
Gonna go with the edition 30, can't bring myself to buy an S3 when the option of a modded ed30 is there. If I go stage 2+ will jus give me a reason to get a slippy diff:)
-
Gonna go with the edition 30, can't bring myself to buy an S3 when the option of a modded ed30 is there. If I go stage 2+ will jus give me a reason to get a slippy diff:)
Glad you listened to the advice... :signLOL:
-
Gonna go with the edition 30, can't bring myself to buy an S3 when the option of a modded ed30 is there. If I go stage 2+ will jus give me a reason to get a slippy diff:)
Glad you listened to the advice... :signLOL:
Haha good point. I agree the S3 makes more sense from a modding point of view but I prefer the looks of the ed30, the DSG is something I've wanted for ages and for pure enjoyment I think I'd prefer the GTI. There's more to life than traction :signLOL:
Thanks for all the advice tho:)
-
Personal choice ain't it. I bought the ed30 because I love the look of it.... Looks "just like (any old) a golf)".
I could have easy got an s3 for the same money but I didn't and dot regret it.
-
Personal choice ain't it. I bought the ed30 because I love the look of it.... Looks "just like (any old) a golf)".
I could have easy got an s3 for the same money but I didn't and dot regret it.
X2
-
Personally I have had 4WD, Subaru, and I found it too easy to drive quickly.
'That sounds silly' you say, but I prefer a bit of a challenge, a bit of excitement.
The Subaru didn't even have traction so god knows what a VAG 4WD is like :chicken:
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
All my opinion of course but I made the right choice for me with the ED30.
:popcornsoda:
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
-
ED30 more fun to drive in the summer. Frustrating in the wet. S3 not as much fun to drive in the summer (too easy, less involving) but actually a hoot when its cold n wet and you can launch it even when its pissing down and it just grips and goes.
S3 with a sorted chassis turns it into a go kart though and is fun all year round then.
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
-
How does R compare to S3 in terms of driver's feedback and involvement? One of biggest downside of s3 was kinda of drivers lack of involvement
Ed30 for me but if R better than S3 in that respect than maybe...
Paul
-
I've had/have both. Had a stage 2+ ED30 with ARB's/coilovers etc and it was a fantastic car but traction was an issue. The ED30 met a premature end, so I decided it would be an S3 to replace it, I will be the first to admit although a lovely car a standard S3 is nothing to write home about. But it doesn't take much to turn it into a real handy tool, I've had mine for 4 years now and have gradually modded it, now stage 2+,ARB's, coilovers etc etc and in the real world it is a fantastic road car and can more than hold its own on the track :smiley:
both are great cars :happy2:
-
Thanks for all the input and advice. But it's gonna be the edition 30 all going well:)
Time for my KO3 GTI to go now, sad times :(
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
Yes, you're correct Ian :happy2: the R feels livelier to start with.
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
Yes, you're correct Ian :happy2: the R feels livelier to start with.
All this negativity about the S3 :signLOL:
I think mine has the Gen 4 Haldex(being 2010) I also thought this Gen distributed 60% to the rear and 40% to the front, and would compensate accordingly for any traction loss? :innocent:
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
Yes, you're correct Ian :happy2: the R feels livelier to start with.
At some point, VAG has introduced a feature into the Haldex that clutches will bite always when throttle is planted 100%, so it will not wait for slippage during launch. I cannot remember when this happened, but I think R has it.
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
Yes, you're correct Ian :happy2: the R feels livelier to start with.
All this negativity about the S3 :signLOL:
I think mine has the Gen 4 Haldex(being 2010) I also thought this Gen distributed 60% to the rear and 40% to the front, and would compensate accordingly for any traction loss? :innocent:
facelift are gen 4
-
Gaz :congrats:
U you coming down to the GTi Festival?
-
Also the VAG 4WD, I believe, isn't even a 'real' 4WD is it? The majority of torque is through the front until it senses slip after a 7th of a revolution? I am preparing to be corrected on that.
You are right....unless you fit a Haldex controller :happy2:
I thought your .:R was a Gen 4 Haldex whereas the S3 is/was a Gen 2 or 3. I thought the Gen 4 was more predictive in it's torque redistribution.
Yes, you're correct Ian :happy2: the R feels livelier to start with.
All this negativity about the S3 :signLOL:
I think mine has the Gen 4 Haldex(being 2010) I also thought this Gen distributed 60% to the rear and 40% to the front, and would compensate accordingly for any traction loss? :innocent:
Nah not really the S3's are lovely just prefer a bit of torque steer :driver: :signLOL:
Actually my ED30 is pretty sorted so don't really get much at 2+!
My only issue with Audi's at the moment is that you can't tell a 1.4 front end from a RS3!
Maybe a bit of a exaggeration but you know what I mean :signLOL:
I just like VW's and I probably would have an 'R' over a ED30.
-
Edition 30 with DSG for sure, I'd only have an S3 if it was DSG, it makes the car so much better.
I know people say about traction etc but with some good tyres they put the power down quite well, yeah I know it's never going to do mental 0-60's etc but I think and stage 2+ spec ED30 with DSG is a exciting car to drive and can be a handful around the lanes!
As some people say, an S3 can be a bit too easy and planted some times.
-
Personal choice ain't it. I bought the ed30 because I love the look of it.... Looks "just like (any old) a golf)".
I could have easy got an s3 for the same money but I didn't and dot regret it.
X2
Same :happy2:
-
Haldex can only be a 50/50 split at most. Still enough to get sideways around roundabouts or pulling off in first under WOT
-
Even my old R32 would get sideways in the snow.
-
Your all wrong!! :P
You need a Pirelli DSG!! :innocent:
-
Still not sold nath?
-
Still not sold nath?
No fella, my own lazy fault as I need to get her back to stock so I can put her on Autotrader..........
-
Your all wrong!! :P
You need a Pirelli DSG!! :innocent:
100% agree.
-
Right so stage 1 takes a K04 to around 300hp
What's needed for stage 2? TBE, Intake and software? What power could I expect
What's needed for stage 2+? The above including a HPFP & again what power can I expect :driver:
-
Stage 1 285-300hp (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 2 300-325 (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 2+ 340-360 (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 1 remap only
Stage 2 Remap, TBE exhaust and Intake
Stage 2+ Remap TBE Exhaust, Intake, HPFP and Intercooler (Audi S3 alloy, THS, Forge etc, S3 is your cheapest option).
-
Stage 1 285-300hp (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 2 300-325 (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 2+ 340-360 (depends on how optimistic rollers are)
Stage 1 remap only
Stage 2 Remap, TBE exhaust and Intake
Stage 2+ Remap TBE Exhaust, Intake, HPFP and Intercooler (Audi S3 alloy, THS, Forge etc, S3 is your cheapest option).
Thanks for that, car I'm getting all going well has a TBE already so won't take much for stage 2 :driver:
-
You should have put a vote option on here. S3!
-
Just picked up my edition 30 today. All I can say is WOW. DSG box is amazing and pulls like a train. Big thanks to stiggy. Hope everything go's well with the new car :happy2: