MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Max99 on October 22, 2012, 06:02:51 pm
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Am I right in thinking that putting in 98+RON petrol will...
- Give it better power/torque compared to 95
- Increase the MPG by a greater % than the additional price % increase i.e will work out cheaper
- That I can still put 95 in her if needs be (i.e a petrol station doesn't have others or they are abnormally more expensive
- That V-power fuels is the fav of Gti owners followed by Tesco Super Unleaded...
That's what i've gathered from threads i've read but i'm still not 100% sure...
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I can confirm that I get better fuel economy in my ED30 running Shell V Power. I average about 30-40 miles extra to a tank over running 95 RON. A sensible commute along the motorway see's about 38 mpg for me on V Power. Using regular 95 RON I struggle to see 34 MPG.
I got caught out one day and had to fill up using 95 RON. I thought the difference was noticeable as it didn't feel as smooth or responsive, plus the MPG dropped.
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Fith gear did this test recently and used a new golf Gti ( new series on discovery channel ) prob on you tube ? :happy2:
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Fith gear did this test recently and used a new golf Gti ( new series on discovery channel ) prob on you tube ? :happy2:
I've seen the old fifth gear test when they use a MK5 and Subaru STI. Any links to this new one?
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Volkswagen strongly recommend that you use 98 or higher RON in the 2.T FSI engine. It will run on 95 RON but it's best to only do so in emergency if 98+ is not available and not as long term.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FTyrePressures_label.jpg&hash=31406415a74472a0ab651f7506c1b5f4f52aa1c3)
^ Label inside my Mk5 GTI filler flap.
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Sorry can't find any links to this ( maybe to new) it was only on a month or so ago it was a newish golf Gti in white ! They sometimes replay them on the discovery channel tho . :wink:
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Is it this one? &sns=em
Skip in like a minute.
There's quite a few fifth gear vids like it but not many talk about the mpg effects
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I use Shell V-Power religiously. I noticed a difference when I changed from standard unleaded, the idol seems smoother and sightly better MPG, and obviously its better for the engine. So personally I prefer it and isn't too much more than standard fuel per full tank...
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Shell V Power in my ED 30 every time. :happy2:
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_INK%2FV-Power_FuelPassion.jpg&hash=56af14bbbc04b08b24b0485632a6f24152417563)
Currently 104,000 miles in 7 years exclusively on V-Power.
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Says it all! :laugh:
Their Drivers Club card gets pounded through the till when the GTI is thirsty... Even though you need to spend about £1,000 plus to get a £10.00 voucher, apparently...
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Shell V Power in my ED 30 every time. :happy2:
Word for word what I was going to write! :happy2:
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Says it all! :laugh:
Their Drivers Club card gets pounded through the till when the GTI is thirsty... Even though you need to spend about £1,000 plus to get a £10.00 voucher, apparently...
.......and don't get me started on their daft points scheme!! :stupid:
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Changed from using vpower to tescp.momentum 99 and for reason prefer it. plus always more chancr itll be at thenpumps. dont know what the price difference is.
Wpuld be interesting for one of the garages on here with a rr to do a test between vpower tesco 99 and any other 98/99 on tge same car with the same setup just to see if there really is a difference.
on another not was watching atuning programme in american and they bought race gas at a syation.. why cant we have this at the local pumps :/
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Changed from V Power to Tesco's Momentum about 3 months ago and instantly saw a slightly betterMPG. Maybe my car just prefers Tesco :confused: performance has never suffered. Always run my performance cars on premium though even some of the N/A ones.
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:star: That's the fifth gear I was on about :happy2:
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How do you guys find 97 RON super unleaded rather than 98 or 99?
There are no Tesco petrol stations near me and the nearest Shell is 7 miles away in the opposite direction to my work.
Currently Sainsburys 95 RON is £1.379 per litre, their Super Unleaded 97 RON is £1.429 per litre. My maths says that if MPG goes up by 2mpg or more the super unleaded ends up being cheaper to run.
Does the GTi engine/ecu treat 97 RON differently to 95 or do you have to use 98+?
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How do you guys find 97 RON super unleaded rather than 98 or 99?
There are no Tesco petrol stations near me and the nearest Shell is 7 miles away in the opposite direction to my work.
Currently Sainsburys 95 RON is £1.379 per litre, their Super Unleaded 97 RON is £1.429 per litre. My maths says that if MPG goes up by 2mpg or more the super unleaded ends up being cheaper to run.
Does the GTi engine/ecu treat 97 RON differently to 95 or do you have to use 98+?
....Surely you aren't running a 2.0T FSI engine on petrol based on its price per litre!? :surprised:
Your nearest Shell is only a 14-mile round trip? - Fill up with enough to last you a few work journeys. My nearest Shell is a 30-mile round trip. It's simply a matter of planning.
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....Surely you aren't running a 2.0T FSI engine on petrol based on its price per litre!? :surprised:
Your nearest Shell is only a 14-mile round trip? - Fill up with enough to last you a few work journeys. My nearest Shell is a 30-mile round trip. It's simply a matter of planning.
Seeing as I live in Surrey where SCC have set nearly every road with a 40 mile speed limit or left the national speed limit roads with craters everywhere and there are few chances for my GTi to stretch it's legs then on day to day driving I do care about the price per litre and mpg.
Not everyone buys a GTi to drive like a lunatic all the time. I enjoy putting my foot down when I get the chance, but my daily commute of 9 miles each way has a grand total of half a mile with a speed limit over 40!
Also I'm not going to do a 14 mile trip in the opposite direction just to buy fuel!
So, for the 'boring' people like me, I'd like to know if the FSI engine will adjust to 97RON super which is really easy to buy or if it makes no difference and you have to use 98+?
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How do you guys find 97 RON super unleaded rather than 98 or 99?
There are no Tesco petrol stations near me and the nearest Shell is 7 miles away in the opposite direction to my work.
Currently Sainsburys 95 RON is £1.379 per litre, their Super Unleaded 97 RON is £1.429 per litre. My maths says that if MPG goes up by 2mpg or more the super unleaded ends up being cheaper to run.
Does the GTi engine/ecu treat 97 RON differently to 95 or do you have to use 98+?
The price difference is so minimal is should not even be a consideration. Have never let my car get as low to see the petrol light come on but if it did appear and I filled up I imagine it would only be an extra £3-£4 for a whole tank V Power.
As Robin has mentioned, fill up when your in that direction. Might sound anal but when I'm travelling somewhere I've never been before I always have a look on Shell's website to see where the nearest stations are. Sad but true.
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The price difference is so minimal is should not even be a consideration. Have never let my car get as low to see the petrol light come on but if it did appear and I filled up I imagine it would only be an extra £3-£4 for a whole tank V Power.
As Robin has mentioned, fill up when your in that direction. Might sound anal but when I'm travelling somewhere I've never been before I always have a look on Shell's website to see where the nearest stations are. Sad but true.
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I'm not in that direction, I don't go near a Shell station and I don't have time to trek into the town centre of a town I don't go to just to get fuel, hence why I ask the question how does the FSI engine run on 97 RON instead of 98 RON!
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....Surely you aren't running a 2.0T FSI engine on petrol based on its price per litre!? :surprised:
Your nearest Shell is only a 14-mile round trip? - Fill up with enough to last you a few work journeys. My nearest Shell is a 30-mile round trip. It's simply a matter of planning.
Seeing as I live in Surrey where SCC have set nearly every road with a 40 mile speed limit or left the national speed limit roads with craters everywhere and there are few chances for my GTi to stretch it's legs then on day to day driving I do care about the price per litre and mpg.
Not everyone buys a GTi to drive like a lunatic all the time. I enjoy putting my foot down when I get the chance, but my daily commute of 9 miles each way has a grand total of half a mile with a speed limit over 40!
Also I'm not going to do a 14 mile trip in the opposite direction just to buy fuel!
So, for the 'boring' people like me, I'd like to know if the FSI engine will adjust to 97RON super which is really easy to buy or if it makes no difference and you have to use 98+?
....Yes, the FSI engine will adjust but the advice from Volkswagen and from just about every experienced user here is to use 98+ and only less RON in fuel shortage emergencies.
No-one, and myself in particular, said anything about driving "like a lunatic all the time" and I don't warm to your implication that I do. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way and are just feeling frustrated with your Surrey roads.
If you can't understand why it's worthwhile to occasionally drive an extra 14 miles so your FSI engine can run on better fuel, then there's no point anyone advising you on this subject. Why not buy a Golf GT diesel? - Great performance and good fuel economy but everything that a Golf body offers.
Tesco Momentum is a good option if there is a station nearer you.
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As Robin has mentioned, fill up when your in that direction. Might sound anal but when I'm travelling somewhere I've never been before I always have a look on Shell's website to see where the nearest stations are. Sad but true.
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....Not sad but sensible!
Shell now have an App for station locating and route planning. I don't have an iPhone and its image quality on my iPad is poor but it is functional and useful.
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Am I right in thinking that putting in 98+RON petrol will...
- Give it better power/torque compared to 95
VW recommend 98RON fuel, they do not require it. This means the knock sensor will tell the ECU to retard the ignition timing so the car runs smoothly on 95/96/97RON. Therefore using 98RON will give the greatest power output. Interestingly, if the engine has been designed to run optimally on 98RON, there will be no increase in power or efficiency by using 99 or more RON.
- Increase the MPG by a greater % than the additional price % increase i.e will work out cheaper
Possibly. It depends how much more expensive the 98RON fuel is. Higher octane fuel will give greater mpg as the timing will not be retarded.
- That I can still put 95 in her if needs be (i.e a petrol station doesn't have others or they are abnormally more expensive
Absolutely. The ECU will retard the ignition accordingly.[/list]
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I'm probably one of the only people round here who puts a variety of different fuels in. I'm not thoroughly convinced V-Power (or other 99 RON fuel) improves the performance of my car, and the tests I've conducted have concluded that it is no more economical. Therefore I tend to use the regular Shell FuelSave petrol, though I'm not adverse to other "supermarket" fuels.
My car has done over 50,000 miles and runs perfectly. I asked for the throttle body to be cleaned recently and there was barely any carbon build up. I expect it will do another 50,000 miles without any problems too.
The one caveat is that I run my GTI as an everyday car (that can go quickly when I'm in the mood), not a performance car.
I'm always amazed when people seem shocked when people run their car on 95 RON - it doesn't harm the engine.
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Where abouts in surrey do you live I live insurrey and there seems to be shell stations opening up everywhere :happy2:
I think there is now 4 garages withing 7 miles of me :happy2:
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I realise that it's recommended rather than required by VW. I also know that my car's performance loses its edge whenever I have been obliged to use 95 RON.
Correct me if anyone thinks I'm wrong but running on 98 RON as a minimum on any remapped 2.0T FSI is very strongly recommended by tuners.
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....Yes, the FSI engine will adjust but the advice from Volkswagen and from just about every experienced user here is to use 98+ and only less RON in fuel shortage emergencies.
No-one, and myself in particular, said anything about driving "like a lunatic all the time" and I don't warm to your implication that I do. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way and are just feeling frustrated with your Surrey roads.
If you can't understand why it's worthwhile to occasionally drive an extra 14 miles so your FSI engine can run on better fuel, then there's no point anyone advising you on this subject. Why not buy a Golf GT diesel? - Great performance and good fuel economy but everything that a Golf body offers.
Tesco Momentum is a good option if there is a station nearer you.
Hi RedRobin, I'm sure you don't drive like a lunatic and I'm sorry if you were offended, I was a little frustrated that everyone is obsessed by 'power' rather than answering a technical question about how the engine/ecu will actually work. Oh dear I'm turning into James May!
My point is more that everyone keeps say use 98+ rather than answering my question :( I know 98 RON will give more power, personally I'm not that bothered, the car is fast enough for me already especially given the roads I drive on. Driving an extra 14 miles into heavy town centre traffic for each tank of petrol is not worth while when my daily commute is driven everywhere at 40mph. 97RON unleaded is available locally and if the increase in mpg of 97 outweighs the cost then its worth it, if it doesn't then its not, I'm happy running on 95.
I used to have a diesel, horrible noisy, smelly, things that don't rev, never again!
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Where abouts in surrey do you live I live insurrey and there seems to be shell stations opening up everywhere :happy2:
I think there is now 4 garages withing 7 miles of me :happy2:
Down near the Sussex border. I'd have to go into Guildford town centre or all the way down to the Liphook services on the A3 south of the Hindhead tunnel.
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@ f1fan:
No problem, mate :drinking:
I understand your predicament better now.
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I've done 500 miles on 95 RON, averaged 33mpg, I guess I'll just have to try 97 RON for the same period of time and see if it makes a difference or not.
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99 percent of people will use 95 in a gti, it's fine, 97 is more than adequate unless mapped for 98. :happy2:
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I put a tank of total 97 ron as there was no momentum in the pump. There was very little difference that i could tell from performance and the feel of the engine without doing logs to see the actual difference.
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99 percent of people will use 95 in a gti, it's fine, 97 is more than adequate unless mapped for 98. :happy2:
....Mapped for 98 is the important bit. I don't know if the OP 'f1fan' is remapped.
I doubt if 99% of folks on this forum use 95 in a GTI.
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99 percent of people will use 95 in a gti, it's fine, 97 is more than adequate unless mapped for 98. :happy2:
Completely disagree. Did you just pull that statistic out of thin air? Any proof to back that up?
I've done 500 miles on 95 RON, averaged 33mpg, I guess I'll just have to try 97 RON for the same period of time and see if it makes a difference or not.
As mentioned, of course you can run your car on the low octane stuff but it will retard the ignition timing when detonation is detected.
Interseting article from the interweb....
Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand fuels of higher octane. A common misconception is that power output or fuel efficiency can be improved by burning fuel of higher octane than that specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of the fuel being burnt. Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.
However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than that for which the engine is designed often results in a reduction of power output and efficiency. Many modern engines are equipped with a knock sensor (a small piezoelectric microphone), which sends a signal to the engine control unit, which in turn retards the ignition timing when detonation is detected. Retarding the ignition timing reduces the tendency of the fuel-air mixture to detonate, but also reduces power output and fuel efficiency. Because of this, under conditions of high load and high temperature, a given engine may have a more consistent power output with a higher octane fuel, as such fuels are less prone to detonation.
And taken from AUTOCAR magazine...
High octane equals better mpg
The benefits of high-octane unleaded petrol outweigh the extra cost of the fuel, expert tests have concluded.
Thorney Motorsport compared two identical Vauxhall Astra VXRs on the same routes over a four-month period.
Standard Tesco unleaded was used in one, Tesco's 99 Octane brand in the other.
The car running 99 Octane averaged 25mpg during the tests, while the lower-octane fuelled car returned 22mpg. That's an overall improvement of 14 per cent.
Daily dyno tests also revealed that the VXR running on 99 Octane produced 252bhp on average, compared with standard fuelled car's 235bhp.
Thorney Motorsport concludes that it's worth paying extra for the Tesco 99 Octane fuel, because you can go further on a tank.
However, high-octane unleaded is known to have a greater effect on heavily tuned and turbocharged cars like the VXR than it does on lower-spec, naturally aspirated models.
I'm sure that with a quick search a contradictory article can be found that's equally convincing but I for one will only run my tuned car on 99 RON. VW recommend above at least 98, JKM recommended me 99 and most peeps on here have recommended 99.
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99 percent of people will use 95 in a gti, it's fine, 97 is more than adequate unless mapped for 98. :happy2:
....Mapped for 98 is the important bit. I don't know if the OP 'f1fan' is remapped.
I doubt if 99% of folks on this forum use 95 in a GTI.
My car is completely bog standard as it came from the factory. I totally understand the fact that the engine is designed/optimised for 98, what I still dont quite understand is if the ecu thinks 97 is not good enough so t runs as if it's 95 or it's adaptive so it runs better than 95 but not quite as 98, does that make sense?
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Have I any evidence to back that up? :signLOL: what do you think? no i have not done a survey. how many gtis are sold in uk? How many on a forum? Most people are not anal about cars, and wouldn't know what 98 is, I know lots of people with gtis and other performance cars who don't put 98 in. Infact I only know 1 who does.
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how many gtis are sold in uk? How many on a forum? Most people are not anal about cars, and wouldn't know what 98 is, I know lots of people with gtis and other performance cars who don't put 98 in. Infact I only know 1 who does.
....Those are probably the same people who don't look after their tyres and who don't regularly check pressures. It's not a question of being anal but more one of common sense and caring for your car. I agree that there are too many people who never check their car's fluids, who only view a car as a means of travelling from A to B, and are mean about spending money on their car. Just because they can afford a performance car doesn't make them right.
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The guy wants to know if 97 is ok on a stock car, it is! family member has had all gtis fron new, her mk5 did 120k no probs on 95, is she tight? No as I said she doesn't know what 98 is, like lots of car owners she just likes golfs and the looks of a gti, I can honestly say I have not seen v power pump used more than 3 times, not all people feel the same about cars as ourselves.
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In fact when was 98 introduced in uk? I seem to remember optimax was 97 then turned v power and 98 only few years ago. Long time after mk5 was released.
Edit v power is 99 and optimax was 98 :stupid:
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In fact when was 98 introduced in uk? I seem to remember optimax was 97 then turned v power and 98 only few years ago. Long time after mk5 was released.
....You may have a good point there but my 05-plate 06-build Mk5 GTI states 98 in big numerals on its filler cap label - See pic in Reply #4 in this thread.
We answered the OP's question about 97 a while ago :happy2:
So lots of folks don't know what 98 is out of ignorance (lack of interest, if you prefer) - It doesn't make them right.
Anyway, who cares? - I shall continue with V-Power with great peace of mind and because my car is tuned for it.
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....You may have a good point there but my 05-plate 06-build Mk5 GTI states 98 in big numerals on its filler cap label - See pic in Reply #4 in this thread.
My 58 plate Mk5 states 95 on the filler cap label!!
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99 percent of people will use 95 in a gti, it's fine, 97 is more than adequate unless mapped for 98. :happy2:
Completely disagree. Did you just pull that statistic out of thin air? Any proof to back that up?
I'd say that's pretty accurate - there has got to be thousands of GTIs on the roads, of which only a small percentage will be driven by enthusiasts. Even those driven by enthusiasts won't always get 98 RON in them.
....Those are probably the same people who don't look after their tyres and who don't regularly check pressures. It's not a question of being anal but more one of common sense and caring for your car. I agree that there are too many people who never check their car's fluids, who only view a car as a means of travelling from A to B, and are mean about spending money on their car. Just because they can afford a performance car doesn't make them right.
I do think there's a middle ground, people who simply buy into the GTI heritage or want a nicer than normal Golf, but who are still conscious of car safety and maintenance. They won't necessarily adorn their car with the finest fuel money can buy.
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I do think there's a middle ground, people who simply buy into the GTI heritage or want a nicer than normal Golf, but who are still conscious of car safety and maintenance. They won't necessarily adorn their car with the finest fuel money can buy.
Spot on, I couldn't agree more, in fact I suspect the majority of GTi owners fall into this category.
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I do think there's a middle ground, people who simply buy into the GTI heritage or want a nicer than normal Golf, but who are still conscious of car safety and maintenance. They won't necessarily adorn their car with the finest fuel money can buy.
....You're probably right but aren't 99% of us here enthusiasts?
I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
Where I live I'd say very low, most GTis I see round where I live are driven by yummy mummies taking kids to school! Maybe they are all enthusiasts after they drop the kids off!
There is one guy on my business park with a Pirelli, thats the only 'special' one I see.
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Anyone in Woking/Guildford Area, if you go into the woodbridge road Shell, they'll give you 4 vouchers offering 3 quid off 30 litres if you buy from Ladymead or Burnt Common sites. This is because woodbridge road site is being refurbed, and they want to keep your custom. Better than a kick in the kahooonas! :grin:
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I wouldnt buy a GTi if i wasnt going to run it as recommended, thats just me though. :pomppomp:
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
Where I live I'd say very low, most GTis I see round where I live are driven by yummy mummies taking kids to school! Maybe they are all enthusiasts after they drop the kids off!
There is one guy on my business park with a Pirelli, thats the only 'special' one I see.
....I love that term 'yummy mummy'. On the school run they are probably bought by their husbands as a status symbol. In its day the Mk4 GTI in black was very much a car favoured by successful business women. But I'm making a big generalisation.
I'm always disappointed when I wave at another GTI and they don't acknowledge back. I suppose that when it's a female driver they might feel it might encourage further attention.
Anyway, back on topic, to a non-enthusiast I guess that petrol is just petrol. It's a matter of education - I've made sure that my daughter knows what petrol RON numbers are.
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I was in Germany recently and they sell V-Power Racing at the forecourts, as well as V-Power. Not sure what the rating is - could be 101/102 RON.
Where I live there's a 'yummy mummy' with a black Mk5 GTI and a guy with a black Mk5 R32 dsg. Had a chat with him and he owned a couple of gti's before the R32. Says it's a different animal entirely going around corners. Also an animal on petrol. He's promised to give me a spin sometime. :drool:
I've made sure that my daughter knows what petrol RON numbers are.
I'd say she loved that chat... :wink: She'll undoubtedly enter a career in petrochemical engineering thanks to you!
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In Northern Ireland we don't get the option of 98/99 RON unfortunately, only 95/97. I usually try to fill up with 97 (BP Ultimate/Texaco Super/Sainsburys Super) but frequently put 95 in when filling up @ Tesco who don't offer anything "better", we don't have any/many shell stations over here (any more). As others have mentioned the sticker inside my filler cap recommends 98.
My commute is 90 miles round trip which I do one or two weeks per month and it's 90% motorway. Comparing 95 & 97 my experience is that the ECU treats them the same, no difference in terms of performance or MPG. If 97 is more than a couple of pence more expensive than 95 I don't bother with it TBH.
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Clive
Yeah I do the same - I'm in NI.
Also Shell have rebranded as Topaz apparently.
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Clive
Yeah I do the same - I'm in NI.
Also Shell have rebranded as Topaz apparently.
Yea, seen a few Topaz stations around. Do they sell anything "better" than 97?
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Yea, seen a few Topaz stations around. Do they sell anything "better" than 97?
No. 97 is the best on offer.
In the south Maxol & Applegreen sell E5 which has up to 99 octane rating, but has a lower energy content than standard 95 so apparently you get less mpg.
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So do VW only recommend 98 RON fuel for cars sold in markets where it's available?
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So do VW only recommend 98 RON fuel for cars sold in markets where it's available?
I assume so. I doubt if the US version of the GTI is tuned for 98 as their regular unleaded is typically 92 RON.
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So does that infer the engine management is different for different markets?
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
I reckon a small percentage. The whole point of the GTI is that it's meant to be everything to everyone. It's appeal is so broad and enthusiasts is a small part of that spectrum!
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
I reckon a small percentage. The whole point of the GTI is that it's meant to be everything to everyone. It's appeal is so broad and enthusiasts is a small part of that spectrum!
Yeah, I agree completely. My dentist has one, and my painter and decorator has one!
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I tend to switch between all different types but mainly Morrisons 95 and if I'm feeling flush maybe V-Power (but rarely). I tend to only fill up with v-power as a matter fo duty or guilt after reading hundreds of posts on here about the shame of using normal fuel. :wink:
In 18 months of ownership I can whole heartedly say that I have never noticed any difference in performance or mpg between either fuel but reading some of the notes above I am now tempted to do a lengthy trial on v-power to see if it makes a noteable difference.
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
I reckon a small percentage. The whole point of the GTI is that it's meant to be everything to everyone. It's appeal is so broad and enthusiasts is a small part of that spectrum!
....I agree that it's probably only a small percentage. However, what you describe as "the whole point" applies to the Volkswagen Golf, not the GTI specifically.
Volkswagen = Volks Wagen and translates from the German to People's Car. The original was Ferdinand Porsche's 'Beetle' which was enthusiastically supported by and only happened due to Mr Hitler. The Golf model was originally introduced as a successor to the Beetle and was designed to embody many of the same values.
In ~1976 the GTI was merely a variant of the Golf and not originally intended to go into full production. So it's the Golf and not the GTI which may be described as being meant to be everything to everyone and with such a broad appeal.
I see the GTI as it was originally conceived by the small splinter group of VW staff, as a sporty version of the Golf and having a higher status as a result. So, a GTI owner OUGHT to be an enthusiast, although this is not the case often enough, IMO. It is the genuine enthusiasts who carry on the GTI tradition - Drivers like us who frequent forums and go to shows and meets etc as a community.
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I mean specifically the GTI is all things to all people. Lower Golfs might be just as practical, but they don't have the performance. The R32 might arguably have better performance, but won't be as frugal. In the sense that it does EVERYTHING well, the Mk5 GTI is all things to all people in more ways than other Golfs are.
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I mean specifically the GTI is all things to all people. Lower Golfs might be just as practical, but they don't have the performance. The R32 might arguably have better performance, but won't be as frugal. In the sense that it does EVERYTHING well, the Mk5 GTI is all things to all people in more ways than other Golfs are.
....I don't disagree. The GTI is truly an exceptional allrounder. I read your earlier post to mean something different in the context of the discussion. :happy2:
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I've always wondered what percentage of GTI owners are 'enthusiasts' rather than those who are just buying a top Golf version.
Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
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Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
Ha, that will be me from next week, on my winters :grin:
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Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
+1 :smiley:
I used to use the standard stuff when I first got the car. Then after reading up about it I thought I would try 99 RON and the pickup felt slightly more responsive. I haven't done a scientific test but the MPG seemed to be better after a few tank full's.
My GTI is only a weekend car really so the extra cost per litre is not a factor for me, so in the 2 years (almost) of ownership she has been getting Shell V-Power once I changed over from the standard stuff.
Also I usually notice a difference in the eagerness just after each fill up. As it can occasionally be as much as 3-4 weeks between fill ups, and I have read that fuel loses its octane content over time, I am assuming the fuel in my tank will have been reduced and that is the reason for the difference I feel after the fill up?
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As said by both myself and others earlier, the effects of using V-Power or Momentum are better experienced on a remapped 2.0T FSI (assuming a professional remap taking the RON into account).
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Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
That's utter horsesh*t. How can you make such a ridiculous generalisation? Could it be possible that some "enthusiasts" prefer to carry out "invisible" mods, e.g remap, intercooler, arb's etc. and leave the exterior pretty much or completely oem. Some people enjoy knowing their car runs and performs beautifully without having to draw attention with, for example, stupid atfermarket alloys; I'm not saying that all external mods are ugly, far from it. Some enhance the car beautifully.
I've seen plenty of gti's on (usually kerbed & whitewormed) 18's which are obviously not owned by enthusiasts. Also could it be possible that some gti's with external mods are owned by people who want their car to stand out, but don't look after their cars internals?
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I agree the 18's look better. I'm still looking for a set. However I might not bother, now that it's apparent that I'm evidently not an enthusiast.
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Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
That's utter horsesh*t. How can you make such a ridiculous generalisation? Could it be possible that some "enthusiasts" prefer to carry out "invisible" mods, e.g remap, intercooler, arb's etc. and leave the exterior pretty much or completely oem.
Case in point: bacillus car!
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Easy way to spot the non-enthusiast: Running on 17" Monza's, with no other visible mods!
That's utter horsesh*t. How can you make such a ridiculous generalisation? Could it be possible that some "enthusiasts" prefer to carry out "invisible" mods, e.g remap, intercooler, arb's etc. and leave the exterior pretty much or completely oem. Some people enjoy knowing their car runs and performs beautifully without having to draw attention with, for example, stupid atfermarket alloys; I'm not saying that all external mods are ugly, far from it. Some enhance the car beautifully.
I've seen plenty of gti's on (usually kerbed & whitewormed) 18's which are obviously not owned by enthusiasts. Also could it be possible that some gti's with external mods are owned by people who want their car to stand out, but don't look after their cars internals?
....I think that Ian was half-joking when he posted that, mate. It's a big generalisation but it is at least a hint that the owner possibly isn't an enthusiast. Don't take it to heart.
I don't think that anyone can say that I'm not an enthusiast but I ran on Monza 17's at first and then my Monza 18's were very badly white wormed (but not kerbed!) for a couple of years before I refurb'd them.
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I thought we were talking about petrol here!!!!! :signLOL:
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I thought we were talking about petrol here!!!!! :signLOL:
....Sorry, it meandered as forum discussions occasionally do. Not entirely my fault this time though.
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If a cars not modded your not an enthusiast :signLOL:
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What if its not modded but on 18's eh, eh, eh???????
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I've got a nice metal tax disc holder, does that count? :laugh:
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What if its not modded but on 18's eh, eh, eh???????
Yours is Laser Blue. You're definitely an enthusiast.
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....I think that Ian was half-joking when he posted that, mate. It's a big generalisation but it is at least a hint that the owner possibly isn't an enthusiast. Don't take it to heart.
No offence meant to anyone. Think I'm just jealous of all your cars! :happy2:
Off now to find some 20" spinners on ebay lol :laugh:
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What if its not modded but on 18's eh, eh, eh???????
Yours is Laser Blue. You're definitely an enthusiast.
You sir are correct! :happy2:
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If a cars not modded your not an enthusiast :signLOL:
It's definitely up there with some of the most ridiculous things I've heard round here :signLOL:
I'm aware I may have said some of the other ridiculous stuff :laugh: