MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DubwayDan on June 18, 2009, 12:36:15 pm
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just thought id stick some more pics up of the lights as some of you were asking for more.
i have just used standard wedge bulbs connected to the 12v socket in the boot :smiley:
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that looks sick, i need to do this but dont dare,
so what exactly is needed?
did you solder?
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that looks brilliant :) something i wouldnt mind doing.
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that looks sick, i need to do this but dont dare,
so what exactly is needed?
did you solder?
list of things you need:
4 wedgebulbs (2 each side)
about 3 metres of suitable 12v wire
soldering iron
heatshrink
drill
12v socket adaptor thingy
yeah soldered all the connections then heatshrink over the top ill explain how to do it if ur at kk on friday :happy2:
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When you say they are connected to the 12v socket , is it connected to the wires for the socket or connected to a plug for the socket :scared:
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When you say they are connected to the 12v socket , is it connected to the wires for the socket or connected to a plug for the socket :scared:
its not hard wired into the socket, i got a plug for the socket e.g phone charger end and chopped it off. then simply connected + and - together.
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Nice work, I've had the bits to do this for months but have been really slow about doing it!
I've got some old MK3 Golf side repeaters and bulb holders, I'll smash the repeaters and salvage the bulb locater bit, then drill a big hole in the cluster and glue the locater over the top. Thats the clusters completed, then I'll get my best mate to wire the bulb holders to the outer tail lamps, so he'll make a loom and run it all the way round the tailgate, through the grommets and back down to the outer clusters. This will make it all OEM and they'll work with the headlamp switch.
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sound like a good plan tom,
you just need to watch how big the bulbs are on one side of each inner light as there is very little room for the bulb to stick out (connector end) as the first type of bulb i used would let the housing sit flush fit the boot.
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What type of bulbs did you use, and how did you hold them in?
These ones I have take standard capless bulbs, the guide I have here also used them, but his method was a bit strange!
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i used these type of bulbs: http://www.asihome.com/images/int-ml18w4c.jpg
to secure them i drilled a hole so they were a tight fit and then sealed with silicone :wink:
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ooo very gotta say its the biggest thing that stood out when you passed me on the M62 :happy2:
not sure Ive got the balls to do it though :signLOL:
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That looks really good! :happy2:
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This looks the dogs!! Sooo cool! Wish i had this! Just not brave enough to try that mod!
But honestly! How daft is it that VW dont actually utalise those lights!? What a waste of equipment.
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Old thread revival...
Nice info, thanks. I was driving behind my Golf the other day as my wife was driving it, and thought that better use could be made of the tailgate cluster.
Has anyone done this by tapping into the rear light looms, so it works with the light switch?
Any CANBUS faults, or a reduction in brightness due to power drain of the additional bulbs?
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I have done this mod so that they come on with lights.
It will bring the bulb warning on dash as you will be tapping into can bus system.
I got round it though
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How? Please tell
Surely if you use LEDs and tap off orginals it wont see them?
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Did you use LED's or wedge filaments?
Did your light output look equal as well?
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I used standard 501 bulbs.
They are a little brighter than the outer ones, could do with a lower wattage bulb to be honset.
The problem is fitting 501's as there is absolutely no room between boot lid skins!!
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Nice, so how did you get around the bulb out error?
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disable bulb monitoring on whatever light source you take the power from
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Cool, I've seen that option :happy2:
Last question - did you take your feed for each cluster from just one side, or did you take the left feed from the left and right feed from the right (if you know what I mean)?
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hmmm this is a mod i would love to do on mine,
im guessing it can be done using the standard design rear clusters then. doesnt need to be the LED valeo type ones.
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disable bulb monitoring on whatever light source you take the power from
Where is the option? I could only ever find disable cold lamp diagnosis...
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Cool, I've seen that option :happy2:
Last question - did you take your feed for each cluster from just one side, or did you take the left feed from the left and right feed from the right (if you know what I mean)?
I took the feed from one side run it into the boot lid than run the power from the one side.
Technically, it shouldn't be done like this. But it works :happy2:
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disable bulb monitoring on whatever light source you take the power from
Where is the option? I could only ever find disable cold lamp diagnosis...
This is correct, cold lamp diagnosis.
Sorry, being in the trade I talk like everyone else understands what I'm talking about, :laugh:
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I might rig up this setup and take left power from nearside loom and right from offside loom. That way it's not drawing the load from one wire, see if it still results in a canbus error, although i think it will.
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I might rig up this setup and take left power from nearside loom and right from offside loom. That way it's not drawing the load from one wire, see if it still results in a canbus error, although i think it will.
I got swarf in front of the reflectors after drilling the holes, looks a bit of a mess, but this was just a test to see if i could get it to work.
Prob wont be doing it again
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I used standard 501 bulbs.
They are a little brighter than the outer ones, could do with a lower wattage bulb to be honset.
The problem is fitting 501's as there is absolutely no room between boot lid skins!!
What would be a less powerful yet suitable bulb?
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Still contemplating doing this, what about a bulb like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Pcs-T10-W5W-5050-SMD-Car-LED-Wedge-Light-Bulbs-Red-12V-/130621576560?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e69a71570 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Pcs-T10-W5W-5050-SMD-Car-LED-Wedge-Light-Bulbs-Red-12V-/130621576560?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e69a71570)?
Small profile, and tiny power draw so it may not cause an error.
Would just be concerned with the colour match in using an SMD against a filament wedge.
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How about taking the feed from the number plate light and fitting some non-canbus leds(low resistance) in the number plate bulb holder i.e. the extra bulbs in the rear light would create the needed resistance for the cold lamp diagnosis?
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I like your thinking
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This is the way i am going to try, In fact ordered my 10mm drill bit and hot glue gun this morning, had the inner light units and bulb sitting round in my garage for far to long.
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PLEASE can someone post up a guide to doing this once you boys have it locked down, it looks wicked.
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http://www.golfmk5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73923
this link shows another way to wire them up.
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If only I could understand what the **** he was talking about.
"Copper (Bear in mind that we have to move from in front of the cable car up the rear)"
:signLOL:
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How about taking the feed from the number plate light and fitting some non-canbus leds(low resistance) in the number plate bulb holder i.e. the extra bulbs in the rear light would create the needed resistance for the cold lamp diagnosis?
I don't think this will work, because you need 2 bulbs in each unit.
Even if you use error free bulbs all round, the resistances will not match what the ECU expects to see.
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Bought some very cheap light clusters to do this hopefully later in the week.
Who's using/used what bulbs? Ideally I want this integrated into factory wiring without having to turn off bulb out warnings. May get some 1W SMD shallow bulbs to start with.
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im gonna try this, my plan is to use LED (non canbus) bulbs in the number plate lamps and then the same in the inner clusters, fag packet maths put the draw of standard the same as LED no plate bulbs and inners, so my thinking is the ECU wont batter an eye lid at the draw.............Tavy fire station on fast dial :popcornsoda:
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just looked into it a little, now the standard number plate festoon bulbs are 10watt, so here is my plan LED festoon bulbs are 3 watts each and the 501 bulbs are 4 watt each, so off each number plate feed the standard is 10, so change that for the the LED bulb for the plate and then 2 501's in each cluster give a score of 11 watts each side, im fairly sure that will be fine with the bulb warning system and will be trying this one evening this week, think to start off i will make up some short looms with the 501's and connect them to the number plate feeds and see if the warning comes on, before i strip the boot lid and drill the lens, heres to crossing my fingers
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Sounds good.
I have a number plate camera with some SMD's in, not sure of the power they draw but will have the rear bumper off soon so will get a reading. If you get onto this soon I'd be interested in your results.
I'm thinking of taking a constant 12v feed into a relay, making a link from the sidelight wiring to trigger when they come on. That way it's a seperate circuit and it should allow for full light output.
I've read the sidelights only produce 2.4v so tapping into it as a feed makes light output very dim?
Still not sure why VW didn't put bulbs in these in the first instance :laugh:
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Sounds good.
I've read the sidelights only produce 2.4v so tapping into it as a feed makes light output very dim?
Still not sure why VW didn't put bulbs in these in the first instance :laugh:
I have been thinking about the lights being dim but i think because the LED bulbs in the plate will draw less the effect wont be so big on the 501s in the inners, i will defo be playing with this tomorrow/tuesday evening, will post up some pics of how it goes mate :happy2:
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Well my cheap clusters are on their way, now thinking of butchering it to add a second reverse light, anyone done this?
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Got both of my spare light modified now with 2 5w bulbs in place, Took my time and made sure i got the bulbs level, also whilst i was at it installed a clear lense in the fog light to make it look more symmetrical.
Just need to get the wiring sorted now.
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I'm halfway through doing the soldering, got some single SMD bulbs, may swap for filaments. Should be trial and error.
Post back your results, I'll not be done today.
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I found that Led's were a to direct light and didnt light up the ring fully so would look odd next to the the outer tail lamps.
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I think that'll be the case.
Have you taken a feed from the number plate lights and turned off the lamp diagnosis for number plate?
No errors and good light output?
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So far have only bench tested them, not been on the car yet but really impressed how well the light the circles.
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Same here, going to trial fit them once it's dark. Really wanted to avoid filaments but think I'll need them for a good overall look.
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Mine should look somthing similar to this as i followed the same guide.
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Pic not working Jay. :party:
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Jay, what's your thoughts on the heat melting the plastics? I took the SMD's off going to go with filaments
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Dont think the bulbs will get hot enough to melt the plastic had mine bench testing for about 5 mins and it didnt even melt the hot glue that i used to hold them in with. I have just made sure i have left about a 5mm gap between the bulb and the inner lense.
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Cool, I was going to hot glue them lightly to hold, and blob silicon around it.
If you get any further on over the weekend I'd be interested how you wire them to the car/results of it.
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Have just pm'd the guy from the above pic to ask if he had any issue with heat from the bulbs.
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I want in on this :P looks great! No full guide out there then no?
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Have just pm'd the guy from the above pic to ask if he had any issue with heat from the bulbs.
Any word back from him mate?
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Have just pm'd the guy from the above pic to ask if he had any issue with heat from the bulbs.
Any word back from him mate?
Yes i did, sorry i forgot this thread,
Yer still got them installed. not had any issues with them. One of the bulbs did blow so had to re-solder and silicone a new one in but only a half hour job.
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Nice one :smiley:
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One side done and temporarily wired into the rear power socket to test,
Other side needs slight modification to fit as is to close to the metalwork in the boot, then the horrible task of finding a feed. :sick:
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Looking good, how close is the glow to the original light in real life?
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Look very similar to be honest and you wouldn't notice it wasn't OE if you didn't know.
Only slight criticism is it lets a little light out of the ring into the actual cluster but that really is just me being picky,
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Nice, put me down for a set.
Let me know when they are ready and I'll come and get them!!! :signLOL:
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What he said /\ /\
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Looking good.
Did mine last week (not on yet) but not overly happy with how bright the bulbs are to look at, as opposed to the more ambient output of neighbouring bulbs, if you know what I mean?
Got some red coated bulbs coming to try. Also experimented with W3W bulbs but they get fairly warm too.
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Nice, put me down for a set.
Let me know when they are ready and I'll come and get them!!! :signLOL:
Already been asked to make some for a mate, but its not a job i want to be doing again. lol
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Looking good.
Did mine last week (not on yet) but not overly happy with how bright the bulbs are to look at, as opposed to the more ambient output of neighbouring bulbs, if you know what I mean?
Got some red coated bulbs coming to try. Also experimented with W3W bulbs but they get fairly warm too.
try pulling the bulbs a couple or mm out of the housing make the bright light more of a ambient or even a dot of black or red paint on the end of the bulb?
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Is there a step by step guide on how to do this?
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Is there a step by step guide on how to do this?
+1 :happy2:
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try pulling the bulbs a couple or mm out of the housing make the bright light more of a ambient or even a dot of black or red paint on the end of the bulb?
The bulbs just came (10 off one guy same as 2 off most others :stupid:).
The red has a very subtle change in tone (you'd really have to be looking to notice it compared to a clear one). What I like most is the red doesn't give that white reflection around the fog/reverse housing.
Will probably get them on next week, got some red high temp silicone as the glue I put on to try just melts after 5 minutes.
And like you, I am in no rush to do this again!!
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liking that alot mate
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10 off one guy same as 2 off most others :stupid:
Just ordered some myself. :happy2:
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Nice one, you'll see the subtle change and the lack of white spray is a bonus.
I'm not overly happy with the delicate way the wires are soldered on, one of my lights flickers with slight wiggling of the wires. I've bought some shallow T10 bulb holders (eBay 380351290510) in the hope that these provide a more reliable connection, plus I think using them means they won't protrude so much at the back.
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They are for the smaller bash light bulb arnt they rather than 501's?
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If they are I'll expect a refund as advertised as T10.
Not here yet though.
Do you mean the 286 bulbs, normally found in Vauxhall dash's?
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Sockets came, not had time to do anything with them yet, but I think it's promising.
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Sockets came, not had time to do anything with them yet, but I think it's promising.
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I'm also going for the w5w/t10 fillament bulb inners. Do I need 5watt or 3watt W5W/T10 bulbs? And 'normal' or 'red' ones?
I bought 4 small t10 sockets (about the same as yours). I'm going to solder the wiring onto the sockets (onto the little contact-lips you see on the sockets).
They are 'twist-and-lock' sockets, so I only have to drill 12mm holes and make two notches in each hole with a dremel.
Tried a experimental setup (drilled a 12mm hole in a plastic plate and made two notches in the hole) and the twist and lock mechanism works perfect!
The sockets are only 8mm's high, so guess they will fit in the small space behing the inner tail lights (if not, I can easily shave off a little of the plastic holder/gripe)
Sockets:
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I've removed the rear lid trim, but how to route the wiring from the inner tail lights to the license plate lights? (So I can connect them and disable the cold startup diagnostics with vagcom for the licenseplate lamps)
Is there a how-to for the wiring?
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I have those sockets in the picture, never got any further on this and think I will bin the mod as I don't think it could ever look 'right' (the filaments give a great glow but the two bright spots stick out too much for my liking).
Buy yourself red filaments not white - you get a bit of light escaping around the centre circles, thus with red ones it looks better. 3W ones look ok but 5W ones give better 360 coverage.
I had my boot panel off last week for something else, I guess you'd run it up the tailgate panels, through the rubber boot and down behind the rear quarter upper panels down to the light cluster area.
If you can't find the number plate wiring in the boot then you'll be better removing the lower \___/ panel and behind it you'll see a grommet to poke through wires.
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Dont give up were so close. :sad1:
Only reason mine has been put on hold for a bit is the birth of my baby boy but i will be getting this finished and working as soon as i can.
Plus this kit will look hell of a lot more OE than the LED version in the other thread due to the led light being to direct.
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How about the 'heat' and the height/build in depth for filament bulbs (when using sockets)?
Nothing melts?
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Guys!!!-> How did you (the persons who use incandescent bulbs) fit them into the housings?
Mine are way to deep, so they hit the inner 'reflector'.
I'm stuck....
Look at my pics:
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