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Title: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on October 31, 2012, 08:12:37 am
As Drake said they ain't nothing to play with.

Currently on my 4th day of being sat on my arse. Can't drive, live in top floor flat so can't go out. Pretty dull.

How long will this one take to go down?


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Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Horatio on October 31, 2012, 09:10:18 am
what did you do? Jump from the top floor?

A VERY big bag of peas!  :scared:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: RedRobin on October 31, 2012, 09:12:30 am
^^^^
I think it's his girlfriend's high heels he insists on wearing! The crunched up toes are another byproduct of such shoes.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: liver on October 31, 2012, 09:48:11 am
R est
I ce
C ompression
E levation

that will see you right
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on October 31, 2012, 09:57:38 am
what did you do? Jump from the top floor?

A VERY big bag of peas!  :scared:

Scary thing is, I don't remember doing anything, just woke up with it like that one morning. :(

At least Argos sell crutches for £25!
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Horatio on October 31, 2012, 11:40:43 am
Get yourself to the docs! Been on holiday? Long flights? Could be dvt? very serious!
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on October 31, 2012, 11:45:30 am
Get yourself to the docs! Been on holiday? Long flights? Could be dvt? very serious!

Not been anywhere pal. Just woke up with it.

All see how I get on by Friday, and see if it eases up. Bags of peas on rotation.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: RedRobin on October 31, 2012, 11:48:35 am

Get yourself to the docs! Been on holiday? Long flights? Could be dvt? very serious!


....What is "dvt" please?
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Gazza747 on October 31, 2012, 11:52:41 am
deep vein thrombosis
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: sub39h on October 31, 2012, 01:07:46 pm
Wrap the peas in a wet towel and don't use for more than 15 mins at a time to reduce risk of skin damage. Elevation is also important, keep the leg up whilst you're not walking about
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on October 31, 2012, 02:07:20 pm
1. Nobody uses compression anymore.

2. You don't get DVTs in the foot/ankle.

3. MTFU
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on October 31, 2012, 02:23:21 pm
1. Nobody uses compression anymore.

2. You don't get DVTs in the foot/ankle.

3. MTFU

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: ArildStavrum on October 31, 2012, 08:12:30 pm
I will see your ankle and raise you this ankle!!!

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I ruined my ankle on the footy pitch 13 weeks ago, snapped the middle ligament and partial tear to both the outer and the inner ligaments. 
Never been in so much pain in my life.  The crack, snap and crunch as i went over on it will live with me forever.
This pic was taken about 3/4 weeks post the injury.

I would get yourself to the doctor asap if you genuinely dont remember hurting it.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: gazon69 on October 31, 2012, 09:00:23 pm
I will see your ankle and raise you this ankle!!!

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I ruined my ankle on the footy pitch 13 weeks ago, snapped the middle ligament and partial tear to both the outer and the inner ligaments. 
Never been in so much pain in my life.  The crack, snap and crunch as i went over on it will live with me forever.
This pic was taken about 3/4 weeks post the injury.

I would get yourself to the doctor asap if you genuinely dont remember hurting it.
:signLOL: and i young sir will raise you this one, i climbed a 45m tower crane with that like that. Needless to say i struggled to get down.

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Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: JoeDarKa on October 31, 2012, 09:21:37 pm
Keep it moving too. Just bend your ankle up and down about 10 times every hour. Ankles are a nightmare once they stiffen up!
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: MC71 on October 31, 2012, 10:16:32 pm
Get yourself to the GP fella if you don't know how this happened, could be anything.  :confused:

1. Nobody uses compression anymore.

2. You don't get DVTs in the foot/ankle.

3. MTFU

If someone has DVT in the lower limp can this not cause swelling in the ankle?
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: sub39h on October 31, 2012, 11:05:09 pm
Theoretically DVT can happen anywhere in the distribution of the major veins in the leg, which in practical terms we're talking calf area and above. This is where blood stagnates and clots ("thromboses").

From the photo it doesn't look like a typical DVT, but you can't see the calf (the entire leg can swell - if this were the case I'm sure the OP would have informed us). As you rightly point out if concerned get it checked.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: c0v3rt on October 31, 2012, 11:09:37 pm
I'd recommend 'contrast bathing' - hot water then ice cold water, 10 mins each, and repeat!

Suffered many a twisted ankle when a bit younger through skateboarding - once resulted in a full dislocation (popped it back it myself) - 6 weeks on plaster and never really fixed itself, and now regularly twists itself just walking! Has been a lot better since getting a dsg car though.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on October 31, 2012, 11:19:02 pm
If someone has DVT in the lower limp can this not cause swelling in the ankle?
You don't get isolated ankle swelling. The whole calf may be swollen and as part of that the ankle.


OP says he has sprained his ankle. The problem is that OP hasn't a clue and should get it checked out. If it's purely a sprain, my first post in this thread stands.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: ArildStavrum on November 01, 2012, 11:39:20 am
 :signLOL: and i young sir will raise you this one, i climbed a 45m tower crane with that like that. Needless to say i struggled to get down.

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camera trickery!!! :happy2:

looks nasty.

Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 01, 2012, 01:43:20 pm
I've take some advice, it's 100% gout.

Most painful thing I've ever had.

:(
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: sub39h on November 01, 2012, 04:21:25 pm
Plenty of (clear) fluid and off the booze!
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 01, 2012, 05:27:55 pm
Sudden changes like immediately stopping alcohol can also precipitate gout.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: bacillus on November 01, 2012, 05:36:23 pm
I've take some advice, it's 100% gout.

Most painful thing I've ever had.

:(

Blood test proved as it's not the typical joint for a first attack of gout...
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: bacillus on November 01, 2012, 05:40:11 pm
:signLOL: and i young sir will raise you this one, i climbed a 45m tower crane with that like that. Needless to say i struggled to get down.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1183.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx463%2Fgazon69%2F1A4E34F2-968F-4F2E-8837-6147A49CF4E3-15737-0000048615E27F10.jpg&hash=f5872f86d20404f528c7594d52326f23d36034dd)

I would trim your pubic hair in the first instance...   :scared:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: sub39h on November 01, 2012, 06:45:44 pm
I've take some advice, it's 100% gout.

Most painful thing I've ever had.

:(

Blood test proved as it's not the typical joint for a first attack of gout...

He would have to wait until it settles before checking a urate, no?

But you're right, gout wouldn't have been my first thought.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: bacillus on November 01, 2012, 07:23:14 pm
Blood test proved as it's not the typical joint for a first attack of gout...

He would have to wait until it settles before checking a urate, no?

But you're right, gout wouldn't have been my first thought.
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Correct but the statement " it's 100% gout" suggest to me that either he's known to have an elevated uric acid level or aspiration of the joint yielded the characteristic urate crystals in joint fluid.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: JoeDarKa on November 01, 2012, 08:35:31 pm
I was just going to suggest gout if anyone believes that!  :grin:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 01, 2012, 08:49:00 pm
Blood test proved as it's not the typical joint for a first attack of gout...

He would have to wait until it settles before checking a urate, no?

But you're right, gout wouldn't have been my first thought.

Correct but the statement " it's 100% gout" suggest to me that either he's known to have an elevated uric acid level or aspiration of the joint yielded the characteristic urate crystals in joint fluid.


It all makes sense, I've still not been docs yet as the pain is too bad to go out and logistically it's a nightmare.

However from reading of symptoms, it's all there.

I had the worst pain of my life with it today, or just utter pain, like out and out pain on the whole ankle. Towards the latter stages of today the pain was focused along the big toe bone.

The swollen areas are red, and painful to touch, any kind of bang or knock is very painful. It came on one morning after waking up.

Everything points towards gout.

This is todays image, elephant foot not as bad, but redness has come out more now.

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Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: ArildStavrum on November 01, 2012, 09:42:22 pm
Your doctors will have an emergency doctor on call 24 hrs a day.
Call NHS 24 if not, they can send a doctor or an ambulance.
You need to get that seem to as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 01, 2012, 10:11:30 pm
If he's had it for 4-5 days, does it really constitute an emergency? An ambulance for what may be gout/sprained ankle? Really?

Is this why the NHS is in dire straits? People ringing ambulances for frivolous things?

Short answer is: he's had the problem for 4-5 days. It can wait until the morning IMO.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: ArildStavrum on November 01, 2012, 10:18:02 pm
Drop the condescending tone.
Given the amount of pain he is in I think it's in his interest to get it seen to immediately. Just my opinion.
Oh and im 100% private healthcare so he can use my share of the NHS!!!!
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: sub39h on November 02, 2012, 12:45:01 am
That's not really the point. You wouldn't otherwise being using the service, and an ambulance call out could potentially be depriving a car crash victim, heart attack or stroke sufferer with life-saving treatment.

If you ever worked in an A&E department you would understand why this sort of presentation is frustrating. It's not that we don't want to help, but it diverts resources away from patients with serious conditions (accidents and emergencies) when your GP can give you the same advice in the morning at your own convenience.

OP - if you can take ibuprofen then take some along with some paracetamol at the maximum doses and frequencies and see your GP in the morning. If you are genuinely unable to get out then a home visit would not be an unreasonable thing to request.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 02, 2012, 07:29:07 am
^^^+1
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: RedRobin on November 02, 2012, 08:35:22 am

It all makes sense, I've still not been docs yet as the pain is too bad to go out and logistically it's a nightmare.

However from reading of symptoms, it's all there.

I had the worst pain of my life with it today, or just utter pain, like out and out pain on the whole ankle. Towards the latter stages of today the pain was focused along the big toe bone.

The swollen areas are red, and painful to touch, any kind of bang or knock is very painful. It came on one morning after waking up.

Everything points towards gout.

This is todays image, elephant foot not as bad, but redness has come out more now.


....What i have great difficulty understanding is why after several days of pain you have still not been to the doctor or specialist - Your posts suggest that your condition is not showing signs of getting any better.

If you can't arrange a home visit, you could easily get your partner or a friend to drive you there. Get a walking stick or borrow some crutches to help the journey. I am generally very distrustful of the medical profession (I have good reason to be: Son > Hospital > Subsequent Death > High Court) but it seems very foolish not to at least learn their opinions.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 02, 2012, 11:05:45 am
RR, I know you've had an horrendous experience but you can't tar all health professionals with the same brush.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: RedRobin on November 02, 2012, 01:08:15 pm

RR, I know you've had an horrendous experience but you can't tar all health professionals with the same brush.


....I don't tar them all with the same brush and I know that most do all they can to help their patients. I'm only saying that I have a general mistrust and I was posting that in spite of that mistrust, my advice to Moz would be to see a medical professional.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 02, 2012, 01:10:07 pm
Thanks for all your input guys, I appreciate it.

I'm not being deliberately obtuse, but didn't think it was ever bad enough for A&E, or a Ambulance or 24hour Doctor, after all I'm composmentis and fully abled, apart from one hell of a throbbing ankle.

I'm not trying to be stubborn or hard, but after a few days I've managed to now get some Ibuprofen for during the day, and tramadol for the night. Having been on this for a couple days, today, I'm able to walk, using weight on it. It's literally only downwards pressure with no twisting.

Don't get me wrong, it still throbs and hurts like hell, but it's not hurting as a result of any weight on my heel or anything.

It's literally came at really bad timing, as my sister just jetted on a honeymoon, my mother has just gone into hospital for a knee replacement, my old man is working away and non of my mates drive, and I live in the sticks.

My partner has been away, so without feeling sorry for myself, I "maned up" for a few days eating cold beans and water (as we had no shopping in) until the Mrs returned to get me some pills!

Joy.

I think it's starting to retreat a little now, the swelling has gone down, as per Y.days picture, and the pain well, is either bearable, or I've just built a tolerance to it after 5 days!!!

I don't agree with the theory of, don't call an ambulance as it might be deterred for helping a road car crash victim, if I think my pain and suffering warrants it, I'll call one. I pay my taxes to be entitled to do so.
 
Although I had no crutches, live on the top floor of a block of flats with no lift, and no one to help, I kinda kicked back and watched copious amounts of films every day whilst trying to ignore the pain.

Worst of all, I had to sell my Chelsea away ticket on Wednesday, and I've just had to sell my Arsenal ticket for tomorrow at Old Trafford as well!!

What a thoroughly rubbish week!



Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 02, 2012, 01:16:22 pm
Hope it gets better. Not clear whether you sought medical advice or not. Never tried it but what about online shopping? Companies like Tesco and Ocado do home deliveries so might be useful?

Gutting about the footy.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 02, 2012, 02:06:32 pm
Hope it gets better. Not clear whether you sought medical advice or not. Never tried it but what about online shopping? Companies like Tesco and Ocado do home deliveries so might be useful?

Gutting about the footy.

Never even thought of that, do they bring them upstairs though? Or just to the premises, I've never even looked into that in 4 years! HAHA
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 02, 2012, 02:21:14 pm
I'm trying to think how elderly people who are immobile cope. I know some use online shopping.

Just read that your block doesn't have lifts. Surely that can't be right? I thought all places had to have lifts if they had three storeys or more?
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 02, 2012, 02:22:59 pm
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The news has provided a marketing coup for rivals like Ocado, Tesco and Asda.

All three said that they deliver to your door - with Tesco and Ocado even saying they will ‘deliver to your kitchen table’ no matter which floor you live on.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376577/How-Sainsbury-s-deliver-online-shopping-door--unless-live-second-floor.html#ixzz2B4ijN6Xh

It's a daily wail article, which I attest but apparently Ocado and Tesco will deliver to the door. Might be of some use.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 02, 2012, 02:27:44 pm
I'm trying to think how elderly people who are immobile cope. I know some use online shopping.

Just read that your block doesn't have lifts. Surely that can't be right? I thought all places had to have lifts if they had three storeys or more?

Technically I'm the 2nd story, as there is a ground, then level 1, then level 2, which is mine. But it's strange, they have 2 levels of stairs to each floor, so it's 8 sets of stairs to get to my door, height wise it's ok, but just the logistics.

I'd imagine if I told the chap how much of a demic I was, he'd bring em to the top for me. ;)
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: driver rider on November 03, 2012, 09:06:41 pm
To the OP I work in the medical profession.  i really am of the thought that your body should never be ignored.  Please organise transport to your GP and get a thorough medical examination.  I applaud all the posts but no Dr worth his weight in salt will give an accurate diagnosis via pictures and without a detailed medical history.  This is why Dr's spend years studying their specialities.

PLEASE get someone to see you.  Men in particular tend to delay seeing their DR's with potentially grave consequnces.  This isn't me having a go more me being very concerned.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 03, 2012, 09:40:15 pm
To the OP I work in the medical profession.  i really am of the thought that your body should never be ignored.  Please organise transport to your GP and get a thorough medical examination.  I applaud all the posts but no Dr worth his weight in salt will give an accurate diagnosis via pictures and without a detailed medical history.  This is why Dr's spend years studying their specialities.

PLEASE get someone to see you.  Men in particular tend to delay seeing their DR's with potentially grave consequnces.  This isn't me having a go more me being very concerned.

Thank you for your input, I'm planning a trip to the Drs on Monday. The ankle has let us a lot today, there is no hour to hour pain and I've not taken any pain killers today.

I can walk with the aid of one crutch I've got now. Hoping it releases more tomorrow, and if not, I'll go to the docs Monday.

Appreciate your input
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: driver rider on November 03, 2012, 10:51:45 pm
 :happy2: top man.  Thanks for giving me a chance to air my opinions.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 08, 2012, 06:39:58 am
Did you get it checked out?  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: Moz on November 08, 2012, 08:14:07 am
Did you get it checked out?  :popcornsoda:

No  :stupid:

Not had a chance, been back to work this week, Monday I was OK with a crutch and the rest of the week I've been without a crutch. Hurts when I walk, but I can manage.

I'm going to try get in for tomorrow, see if he can prescribe me some of this allopurinol.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: bacillus on November 08, 2012, 08:18:34 am
I'm going to try get in for tomorrow, see if he can prescribe me some of this allopurinol.

You'll need blood testing for elevated uric acid level to prove you do have gout before you'll get allopurinol.
Title: Re: Sprained ankles
Post by: stealthwolf on November 08, 2012, 08:30:10 am
+1. Allopurinol helps with future attacks, not current attacks. It can also precipitate gout when first used. Gout bloods are done around six weeks after the attack.

You still do not have a diagnosis or treatment until you see someone. It could still be something else like a fracture (albeit unlikely).