MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GTI-Ross on November 11, 2012, 10:33:58 pm
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Hey up guys,
Just purchased my MK5 GTI last week, and the modding will begin soon. Gonna start with full catback and remap....but after watching a few video like this:
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They clearly show no really HP improvement? I know they sound nice, but should money be spent else where, or should i still buy one?
Any help would be great
Ross
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I think if there I closed they will do, but open will get heat soak! I must say my old ITG sounded unreal :D
Joe
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I think if there I closed they will do, but open will get heat soak! I must say my old ITG sounded unreal :D
Joe
You feel / gain any HP at all? I love the sound too, but should it be further down the list? :driver:
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I had one fitted and did not like how it lost the low end torque or the induction noise. I have since refitted the oe engine cover with a paper panel filter and am currently running stage 2+. I have not had any issues running this setup, so for me, after market intakes are not worth it.
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A little, but it was more the suction noise makes it feel faster possibly? Lol
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The noises that come from my ITG are immense, loads of chatter too once your running proper boost.
I'd say it's a must if wanting to run a bit of power like 350+, the standard airbox does look restrictive!
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Welcome along Ross! :drinking:
Loads of threads on the subject of CIA's and performance or lack off. In short some say yes, some say no. Have seen 16bhp improvement from an ITG Maxogen on a stage 1 car without a TBE and others have not seen any improvement. Saying that, adding an CAI is not or should not be about solely gaining BHP and more about working in conjunction with other mods. Personally could not stand the noise of it and sold it shortly after installing it, having Darth Vader in the cabin was not good. :laugh:
Use the "Search" function, tis your friend.
:happy2:
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On back to back dyno logs I gained 5hp and 33lbft torque :pomppomp:
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After a remap a cold air intake upgrade is the best bang for your buck modification you can do......as long as you choose the right one. :happy2:
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BWAAAAAAAAA CHA CHA CHA CHA!!! :signLOL:
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As long as you pick the right ITG :laugh:
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Welcome along Ross! :drinking:
Loads of threads on the subject of CIA's and performance or lack off. In short some say yes, some say no. Have seen 16bhp improvement from an ITG Maxogen on a stage 1 car without a TBE and others have not seen any improvement. Saying that, adding an CAI is not or should not be about solely gaining BHP and more about working in conjunction with other mods. Personally could not stand the noise of it and sold it shortly after installing it, having Darth Vader in the cabin was not good. :laugh:
Use the "Search" function, tis your friend.
:happy2:
Thanks for the advise, So which would you guys say the overall the best? / for the price?
and yeah i looked for the search box, please point me in the right direction as i must be blind, Thanks
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OK i am blind !!!!
Massive thing at the top that says search :ashamed:
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ITG MAXOGEN I think personally, but forge twin take give power, just little noise!
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ITG MAXOGEN I think personally, but forge twin take give power, just little noise!
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ITG MAXOGEN I think personally, but forge twin take give power, just little noise!
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ITG MAXOGEN I think personally, but forge twin take give power, just little noise!
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ITG MAXOGEN I think personally, but forge twin take give power, just little noise!
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The chaps at Storm Developments have tested them all on the MK5 GTi, and found no significant gains, only losses from some. I'll stick with my Pipercross panel filter at Stage 2 based on their advice.
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Robin & Romany (Romocop) both gained 15bhp from a twintake on th same dyno (JKM).
Good enough proof for me that the twintake works :happy2:
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Robin & Romany (Romocop) both gained 15bhp from a twintake on th same dyno (JKM).
Good enough proof for me that the twintake works :happy2:
Same for me with the ITG - also on JKM's dyno :happy2:
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Panel filter = waste of time and effort.
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Panel filter = waste of time and effort.
i've had the itg which imo looks untidy, forge twintake, and evoms. Evoms imo looks the best and also performs best. Great price too at £285 delivered from regal. I'm sure there's a few on here that will agree. :happy2:
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I was listening in to a conversation a few weeks ago between some lads that owned tuning Co's that specialised in Ford and Renault and their general feeling was that it is totally hit and miss and its a hell of a lot of money to spend and run the risk of only getting some nice noise or even at worse case power loss, one lad swore by panel filters and said on some cars even the oem ones performed better, on his 400bhp Cosworth he has a performance panel filter and has drilled some holes in the air box for better flow.
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Panel filter = waste of time and effort.
i've had the itg which imo looks untidy, forge twintake, and evoms. Evoms imo looks the best and also performs best. Great price too at £285 delivered from regal. I'm sure there's a few on here that will agree. :happy2:
Agreed. Mine flows almost 300g/s, so no doubt about flow potential for most.
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BWAAAAAAAAA CHA CHA CHA CHA!!! :signLOL:
Especially on a cold damp morning love it.
The child comes out in me.
ITG enclosed is the one if you want near OEM noise with the above.
Its available from APR only though and its £422 :scared:
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Thanks for the advise, So which would you guys say the overall the best? / for the price?
Check out Forge Motorsport for their Twintake, reviewed on the forum by RR (dated 2009) cost around £400 new.....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9988.0.html
Or the ITG Maxogen, reviewed by the Boss man (SteveP) (dated 2009) - There about £380 new.......WHOOSH DISSSHHHHHH
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html
Or the Volant system, new (ish) system from the US of A (dated 2012) Around £250 new, from America, add duty..l...
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43434.0.html
Couldn't find a thread on Evoms CAI but from Regal (as mentioned) £285 new...........
http://www.regal-shop.co.uk/vw/acatalog/Air-Intakes.html
And an old thread about Panel Filters (dated 2009)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1735.0.html
and yeah i looked for the search box, please point me in the right direction as i must be blind, Thanks
This happened recently whereby until you had 10 posts it wasn't there for some reason, maybe its that. Should be along the top menu bar between "Gallery" and "Profile"......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2F615fb252c2b25266e4f8e0b8af1bb7b3.jpg&hash=194ab868254429fc1ea95178e98b6b0a6f4077f5)
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Panel filter = waste of time and effort.
i've had the itg which imo looks untidy, forge twintake, and evoms. Evoms imo looks the best and also performs best. Great price too at £285 delivered from regal. I'm sure there's a few on here that will agree. :happy2:
Agreed. Mine flows almost 300g/s, so no doubt about flow potential for most.
Dont get me wrong, the forge twintakes look awesome. but £400+ for very max of 15HP (at top rev range)
As most of my driving is 0-70 Mph, which do you guys recommend then. as i only do motor wat driving once a week.
Thanks
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BWAAAAAAAAA CHA CHA CHA CHA!!! :signLOL:
Especially on a cold damp morning love it.
The child comes out in me.
ITG enclosed is the one if you want near OEM noise with the above.
Its available from APR only though and its £422 :scared:
I didn't realise you had the evoms too. There's a few things about the fitting design that are a bit poo if you ask me.
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Thanks for the advise, So which would you guys say the overall the best? / for the price?
I will correct that post for you :happy2:
Check out Forge Motorsport for their Twintake, reviewed on the forum by RR (dated 2009) cost around £400 new.....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9988.0.html
Or the ITG Maxogen, reviewed by the Boss man (SteveP) (dated 2009) - There about £380 new or £420 Enclosed.......WHOOSH DISSSHHHHHH
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9698.0.html
Or the Volant system, new (ish) system from the US of A (dated 2012) Around £198 new, from America, add duty (£40-50 if you have to pay)..l...
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43434.0.html
Couldn't find a thread on Evoms CAI but from Regal (as mentioned) £285 new...........
http://www.regal-shop.co.uk/vw/acatalog/Air-Intakes.html
And an old thread about Panel Filters (dated 2009)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1735.0.html
and yeah i looked for the search box, please point me in the right direction as i must be blind, Thanks
This happened recently whereby until you had 10 posts it wasn't there for some reason, maybe its that. Should be along the top menu bar between "Gallery" and "Profile"......
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2F615fb252c2b25266e4f8e0b8af1bb7b3.jpg&hash=194ab868254429fc1ea95178e98b6b0a6f4077f5)
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^^^^ cheers :happy2:
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Panel filter = waste of time and effort.
Agreed and thats why I went back to the oe panel filter and the boost fluctuation I had has gone.
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The chaps at Storm Developments have tested them all on the MK5 GTi, and found no significant gains, only losses from some. I'll stick with my Pipercross panel filter at Stage 2 based on their advice.
....In that case it doesn't say a lot for Storm Developments! Unless, of course, they tested all the intakes on a completely standard car without either a turbo-back exhaust or remap, which isn't that likely as no gains would be expected in that example, so what would be the point?
With Turbo-back exhaust (Milltek), remap (Revo), I have dyno'd on Stock, with flat panel filter by ITG, with Carbonio scoop (that's all it is), and back-to-back with Forge Twintake < ALL on JKM's Dyno-Dynamics rollers. My Mk5 K03 GTI is currently running 273 bhp on JKM's dyno.
For the OP, there may be some helpful information here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9988.0.html
So, providing that you have both a Turbo-back exhaust and a remap, I would recommend any of the Forge Twintake, ITG Maxogen, or Evoms, if you want good gains which are proven beyond doubt.
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As most of my driving is 0-70 Mph, which do you guys recommend then. as i only do motor wat driving once a week.
For you, for that, a panel filter, Pipercross or ITG or K&N - max £50. (Or OEM at no extra cost, change with service). I now have a Pipercross panel filter after getting rid of my Maxogen, noisy bloody thing.
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As most of my driving is 0-70 Mph, which do you guys recommend then. as i only do motor wat driving once a week.
For you, for that, a panel filter, Pipercross or ITG or K&N - max £50. (Or OEM at no extra cost, change with service). I now have a Pipercross panel filter after getting rid of my Maxogen, noisy bloody thing.
....The point is how you want your car to perform 0-70 mph. I find that the extra power from being modified results in much faster and safer overtaking, for example. But I can understand why the financial investment for you isn't worth it.
Regarding noise, it's totally subjective - I love the sound of my Forge Twintake and can easily control its extent with my right foot, others hate such sounds.
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I've just fitted a Dbilas to my K04 converted Octavia. I've logged boost and maf, maf figures are lower through the whole rev range only peaking above the standard air box over 6200rpm. There is also a drop in boost over my stock box at 5000rpm which recovers by 6000 rpm.
I'm going to try the open cone on the Dbilas next.
Interestingly my BSH made a good improvement on the K03, maybe it depends on the map.
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I've just fitted a Dbilas to my K04 converted Octavia. I've logged boost and maf, maf figures are lower through the whole rev range only peaking above the standard air box over 6200rpm. There is also a drop in boost over my stock box at 5000rpm which recovers by 6000 rpm.
I'm going to try the open cone on the Dbilas next.
Interestingly my BSH made a good improvement on the K03, maybe it depends on the map.
Well i will be getting a Map with R-tech or similar. Before i go i will have Catback or Turbo back fitted if i can rob a few people :party: just wondering whether i should just fit an open anywayz.....i just dont want to lose that 0-70mph power (love smoking chavs from the lights)
Maybe best asking Alex. But if people have some experience in different intakes i would love to hear more
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I've just fitted a Dbilas to my K04 converted Octavia. I've logged boost and maf, maf figures are lower through the whole rev range only peaking above the standard air box over 6200rpm. There is also a drop in boost over my stock box at 5000rpm which recovers by 6000 rpm.
I'm going to try the open cone on the Dbilas next.
Interestingly my BSH made a good improvement on the K03, maybe it depends on the map.
Well i will be getting a Map with R-tech or similar. Before i go i will have Catback or Turbo back fitted if i can rob a few people :party: just wondering whether i should just fit an open anywayz.....i just dont want to lose that 0-70mph power (love smoking chavs from the lights)
Maybe best asking Alex. But if people have some experience in different intakes i would love to hear more
Hopefully just a throwaway/joke comment. I have no time for peeps willy waving at the traffic light Grand Prix. Keep it to the track and strip.
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The only problem i have with the panel filter on the mk5 is that it sits on top of the engine . sucks in cold air throws it into a warm airbox. The design is a fault in my eyes therefore any aftermarket intake "should" be better than a panel filter.
This is just my opinion.
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I've just fitted a Dbilas to my K04 converted Octavia. I've logged boost and maf, maf figures are lower through the whole rev range only peaking above the standard air box over 6200rpm. There is also a drop in boost over my stock box at 5000rpm which recovers by 6000 rpm.
I'm going to try the open cone on the Dbilas next.
Interestingly my BSH made a good improvement on the K03, maybe it depends on the map.
Well i will be getting a Map with R-tech or similar. Before i go i will have Catback or Turbo back fitted if i can rob a few people :party: just wondering whether i should just fit an open anywayz.....i just dont want to lose that 0-70mph power (love smoking chavs from the lights)
Maybe best asking Alex. But if people have some experience in different intakes i would love to hear more
Hopefully just a throwaway/joke comment. I have no time for peeps willy waving at the traffic light Grand Prix. Keep it to the track and strip.
Yep, i dont do racing on the streets.
Ok, so lets say i cant upgrade the fuel pumps just yet, which Intake will give best noise / performance for around £300 but wont cause TOO much air mixture leaving the low end revs a bit gutless?
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But if you feel the pipes on a cold air intake near the maf housing, they are hotter than the oe box as plastic doesnt absorb as much heat. The pipes on the intake are too hot too touch on systems like bsh, k&n, evoms etc. I placed reflective heat shielding over the base of my engine cover and that has helped keep things a bit cooler. The heat shields provided by the intake manufacturers are not really all that good, as the engine bay heats up very quickly and the intake pipes gets heat soaked. Really the best material for an intake is carbon fibre like the APR one that is in its design process. Silicone hoses like the ITG are good as they dont absorb as much heat.
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But if you feel the pipes on a cold air intake near the maf housing, they are hotter than the oe box as plastic doesnt absorb as much heat. The pipes on the intake are too hot too touch on systems like bsh, k&n, evoms etc. I placed reflective heat shielding over the base of my engine cover and that has helped keep things a bit cooler. The heat shields provided by the intake manufacturers are not really all that good, as the engine bay heats up very quickly and the intake pipes gets heat soaked. Really the best material for an intake is carbon fibre like the APR one that is in its design process. Silicone hoses like the ITG are good as they dont absorb as much heat.
Gold heat tape! :wink:
80% reflection up to 300 degrees
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On back to back dyno logs I gained 5hp and 33lbft torque :pomppomp:
I think this proves that they do work, but am sure they do have some negatives eg dust getting into engine if not oiled properly/oil getting onto MAF if oiled too much etc.
I dont think you can run stg2+ and get the best out of it with a panel filter; but if was going back to stg 1 think would go with panel filter route.
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But if you feel the pipes on a cold air intake near the maf housing, they are hotter than the oe box as plastic doesnt absorb as much heat. The pipes on the intake are too hot too touch on systems like bsh, k&n, evoms etc. I placed reflective heat shielding over the base of my engine cover and that has helped keep things a bit cooler. The heat shields provided by the intake manufacturers are not really all that good, as the engine bay heats up very quickly and the intake pipes gets heat soaked. Really the best material for an intake is carbon fibre like the APR one that is in its design process. Silicone hoses like the ITG are good as they dont absorb as much heat.
The Volant is plastic and is a closed airbox design and even with being stung for VAT your cheaper than most (if not all) of the toilet roll and sponge intake varieties :happy2:
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But if you feel the pipes on a cold air intake near the maf housing, they are hotter than the oe box as plastic doesnt absorb as much heat. The pipes on the intake are too hot too touch on systems like bsh, k&n, evoms etc. I placed reflective heat shielding over the base of my engine cover and that has helped keep things a bit cooler. The heat shields provided by the intake manufacturers are not really all that good, as the engine bay heats up very quickly and the intake pipes gets heat soaked. Really the best material for an intake is carbon fibre like the APR one that is in its design process. Silicone hoses like the ITG are good as they dont absorb as much heat.
The Volant is plastic and is a closed airbox design and even with being stung for VAT your cheaper than most (if not all) of the toilet roll and sponge intake varieties :happy2:
Forgot about the volant system and had considered one for my car. But I kept the oe cover as it works fine and I have had no issues at my stage of tune. Thats what I like about modifying is that everyone has different ideas about what works well and what doesnt.
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Thats what I like about modifying is that everyone has different ideas about what works well and what doesnt.
....And, of course, that each one of us is absolutely right :grin:
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Thats what I like about modifying is that everyone has different ideas about what works well and what doesnt.
....And, of course, that each one of us is absolutely right :grin:
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