MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: vag12 on November 13, 2012, 12:43:06 pm
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Has anyone heard of tiv mapping? What does it stand for and how does it work?
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LOL...TiV :happy2:
The TiV is a map update for R-Tech customers, all maps from Nov 2012 will be our Gen17 base maps and will already carry the TiV mapping.
Its my new mappng methods for ME7 1.8T and MED9 2.0TFSI the results are amazing and allowing me to unlock the ecu more than ever before. I dont want to go into too much detail, but basically its a method I have been working on for 18months now which allows me to gain full control of the timing and boost and tune like a stand alone ecu with out over active PID or torque invertention. It removes lots of the stupid Bosch routines which hinder tuning for power. I am the only tuner offering this combination of tuning for 1.8T. TFSi and Focus 225 ST.. I wont be long until it gets copied like my linear throttle ideas...lol
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Nick ,
Did you upload this onto mine?
The load maps you changed feels much better, it's easier to drive in traffic now in 1st :happy2:
Saving for a clutch now :sad1:
Cheers,
Graeme
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Just spotted this thread! Is the suggestion here that R Tech customers (pre Nov 2012) should go back to see them for a map update??
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Anyone wanting the new Tiv update will get it for free, it takes 20mins to extract your current map and about 20mins to edit in the Tiv code and flash back. Even if your running custom maps you can have the TiV added without the need to go back on the dyno.
Nick
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How much of an improvement will this make then?
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How much of an improvment will this make then?
What are the benefits and gains with this code?
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Allows me to gain full control of the timing and boost and tune like a stand alone ecu without over active ecu PID or torque invertention trying to reduce torque. It removes lots of the stupid Bosch routines which hinder tuning for power. Some cars stage2 1.8T ko4 have been seeing around 30bhp30lbft gains, TFSI back to back can see 15-20lbft across the mid range with TiV, some see no gains but much better and smooth torque deilivery, light load driving more refined. I have been using methods like this in my custom maps for a few years now and its only this year I have added them all together and put them in to all my maps.
Nick
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James and Adams cars at JKM rr day where both running TIV mapping. :happy2:
Adams K03 GTi DSG custom stage1 the first k03 with full TiV
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fhh252%2FRtechremaps%2Ftivmapping.jpg&hash=d2a026c87cfda24de598dd713f514dd342085e9b)
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Hi Nick, ull no doubt remember me, Black GTi, BCS tbe, may I ask what differences (if any) that I mite experience if I paid u guys another visit and took u up on yr kind offer?
Cheers
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Not all cars act same way wit TiV its depends if one of the routines are hindering the power delivery, but so far everyone having the TiV upgrade are seeing some gains or benifit.
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Hi Folks, sorry to resurrect this thread but has anyone taken up yet Nick's kind offer offer of this remap tweak? Has anyone noticed any benefits/gains at all?
Cheers
:driver:
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I think mines had it done (although Nick didn't answer my post above :grin:). He's changed the part of the map that affects the way the car drives at low RPM, like when driving at low speeds in 1st gear, it's less jerky. Maybe a feature of TIV mapping??
I havent been able to dyno properly yet as my clutch is slipping badly :sad1:
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Im certainly interested in having It done, but for a 150 mile round trip, wud it really be worth it!? Thanks of course to Nick for this v kind gesture! :-D
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Many many people had the TiV update and very happy. Most of feedback is on facebook groups. I am even making the Focus ST boys happy with TiV mapping.
Niki R-Tech Gower < Facebook
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I think mines had it done (although Nick didn't answer my post above :grin:). He's changed the part of the map that affects the way the car drives at low RPM, like when driving at low speeds in 1st gear, it's less jerky. Maybe a feature of TIV mapping??
I havent been able to dyno properly yet as my clutch is slipping badly :sad1:
No that was lowering the LDR maps to match your driving style. :wink:
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Nick, hi again, can I assume that as the last time I was at yrs was September for my custom remap, that I did NOT get this tiv update code??
Andrew
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I think mines had it done (although Nick didn't answer my post above :grin:). He's changed the part of the map that affects the way the car drives at low RPM, like when driving at low speeds in 1st gear, it's less jerky. Maybe a feature of TIV mapping??
I havent been able to dyno properly yet as my clutch is slipping badly :sad1:
No that was lowering the LDR maps to match your driving style. :wink:
Gotcha :happy2:
You can do the upgrade when I get my clutch sorted Nick :notworthy:
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Nick, hi again, can I assume that as the last time I was at yrs was September for my custom remap, that I did NOT get this tiv update code??
Andrew
You not running TIV code..yet lol
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As I thought, lol! In yr humble, yet expert opinion Nick, is it worth having this tweak??
Andrew
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Hi Folks, sorry to resurrect this thread but have any GTi owners had this Tiv added to their remap via R Tech yet? If so, any noticeable benefits as such?
Cheers
Andrew
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The reason for TIV
The anti-jerk function detects oscillations of the power train and damps them out by applying opposing-phase torque interventions. The torque intervention is converted into an ignition angle offset by the torque interface.
In order to damp the power train oscillation efficiently, the torque intervention should counteract engine speed oscillations. Thereby the same effect is achieved as if the attenuation coefficient of the drive shaft is increased.
You can have more power/ Performance but still have exact same peak bhp. Peak bhp is only a reading at 1rpm point to show where the max hp point is.
Performance tuning is about getting as much power from the whole power band. The more average bhp the quicker the car.
I would be happy having a car with 230bhp and 200bhp average over a car with 250bhp and 180bhp average.
2hp peak is nothing, it could be a cooler day, better fuel.
The TIV and TIV+ mapping is allowing us to unlock power from the whole of the torque curve its not aimed to get peak numbers. The TIV mapping also transforms the car on part throttle light load driving. At the moment we are the only company to offer this full TIV reduction mapping for ME9 - MED9 and ME7.5 ecus. It wont be long before everyone catches up again..lol
Mk5 stock vs stage1 custom with TIV+
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc6%2F6107_10200387009657727_2056431956_n.jpg&hash=b813915f7bb21f1d20f81878367d4677556c7b90)
1.8T K04 with stage2 and high flow manifold. This graph shows the same map back to back, the smoother map has just the TIV reduction added, so its running the exact same boost, fuel and timing requests. More power and EGTs where 120deg lower.
This both runs have a low filter in the dyno settings so show whats going on during the run. Most rolling roads will have high filters and the lower run with interventions would look smooth bust still lower power. having a low filter allows us to see where the opposing-phase torque interventions happen. But when we allow the timing with no interventions the graph is smooth and a lot stronger
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F543410_4726221033372_1435953307_n.jpg&hash=09b1257cacc0e5da3a56068a6b2a5c4de18d8e2a)
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Great results, Nick :congrats:
Have you done a 2.0TFSI k04 yet?
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Great results, Nick :congrats:
Have you done a 2.0TFSI k04 yet?
James K04 Tfsi 450lbft 380bhp (limited by low pressure fuel pump) is running my development TiV+ map. But he did request as much average power from the K04 we could get the reason peak bhp is across most of the graph. I got a few basic stage2 and stage2+ k04 car booked in soon which I will be adding the TiV to. Stage1 K04 with TiV are seeing 20-26lbft more across the torque band and peak numbers 297-310bhp
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F8438%2F66201486232019576662398.jpg&hash=f5fd7de6ed718b3d711388bb68687e9a7df78521)
Nick
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Great results, Nick :congrats:
Have you done a 2.0TFSI k04 yet?
James K04 Tfsi 450lbft 380bhp (limited by low pressure fuel pump) is running my development TiV+ map. But he did request as much average power from the K04 we could get the reason peak bhp is across most of the graph. I got a few basic stage2 and stage2+ k04 car booked in soon which I will be adding the TiV to. Stage1 K04 with TiV are seeing 20-26lbft more across the torque band and peak numbers 297-310bhp
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F8438%2F66201486232019576662398.jpg&hash=f5fd7de6ed718b3d711388bb68687e9a7df78521)
Nick
Is this James ko4 with or without watermeth? 450lbs! :driver:
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Great results, Nick :congrats:
Have you done a 2.0TFSI k04 yet?
James K04 Tfsi 450lbft 380bhp (limited by low pressure fuel pump) is running my development TiV+ map. But he did request as much average power from the K04 we could get the reason peak bhp is across most of the graph. I got a few basic stage2 and stage2+ k04 car booked in soon which I will be adding the TiV to. Stage1 K04 with TiV are seeing 20-26lbft more across the torque band and peak numbers 297-310bhp
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg338.imageshack.us%2Fimg338%2F8438%2F66201486232019576662398.jpg&hash=f5fd7de6ed718b3d711388bb68687e9a7df78521)
Nick
Alex at AKS has got some uprated LPHP's i think
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@vag12 - this is with WMI and a K04 turbo. Basically a stg 2+ k04 with WMI
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Looking foward to seeing what your TiV mapping will do to my Superchips stage 2 car Nick.
Should be very interesting and wait to hear from you to arrange time/date :happy2:
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Looking foward to seeing what your TiV mapping will do to my Superchips stage 2 car Nick.
Should be very interesting and wait to hear from you to arrange time/date :happy2:
About time you got rid of the supper chips crap. ;-)
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Looking foward to seeing what your TiV mapping will do to my Superchips stage 2 car Nick.
Should be very interesting and wait to hear from you to arrange time/date :happy2:
Oooooh!!
:popcornsoda:
You going stage 2+ at the same time Steve?
Be a shame not to with such an opportunity :happy2:
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Looking foward to seeing what your TiV mapping will do to my Superchips stage 2 car Nick.
Should be very interesting and wait to hear from you to arrange time/date :happy2:
Oooooh!!
:popcornsoda:
You going stage 2+ at the same time Steve?
Be a shame not to with such an opportunity :happy2:
Now booked 11th April :party:
DSG also being treated aswell :wink:
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Great choice Steve :congrats:
You will thoroughly enjoy the whole experience, you can be as geeky as you like with Nicki - he will explain everything he's doing with the map if you so wish :grin:
You should get easily 300bhp with a safe & smooth map - maybe more if you wish. Nicki won't let you take it home until YOUR happy with it :happy2:
Just don't forget to bring some biscuits for the crew :wink:
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Great choice Steve :congrats:
You will thoroughly enjoy the whole experience, you can be as geeky as you like with Nicki - he will explain everything he's doing with the map if you so wish :grin:
You should get easily 300bhp with a safe & smooth map - maybe more if you wish. Nicki won't let you take it home until YOUR happy with it :happy2:
Just don't forget to bring some biscuits for the crew :wink:
Ooh I'm buying KFC lunch and I'm also gonna bring along a tray of Krispy krems... :signLOL:
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
310 bhp and 310 lb ft is Nick's Aim
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
310 bhp and 310 lb ft is Nick's Aim
I recon more than that.... :happy2:
My guesstimate would be 318bhp and 320-325ftlbs
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
310 bhp and 310 lb ft is Nick's Aim
I recon more than that.... :happy2:
My guesstimate would be 318bhp and 320-325ftlbs
It's whether Steve wants the Stg2+ power or Just stage 2 (equivalent).
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
310 bhp and 310 lb ft is Nick's Aim
I recon more than that.... :happy2:
My guesstimate would be 318bhp and 320-325ftlbs
It's whether Steve wants the Stg2+ power or Just stage 2 (equivalent).
Well... he cant go stage 2 as he doesnt have a HPFP upgrade or an intercooler.
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Good thread guys great read, can't wait to get back home to see my new eddy I brought and start playing, 3 weeks and counting.
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300.... You must be joking. You should see ~320 I would have thought
310 bhp and 310 lb ft is Nick's Aim
I recon more than that.... :happy2:
My guesstimate would be 318bhp and 320-325ftlbs
It's whether Steve wants the Stg2+ power or Just stage 2 (equivalent).
Stage 2 power is enough, 2+ is wasted tbh on traction losses IMO whether spending a fortune
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LOL...TiV :happy2:
The TiV is a map update for R-Tech customers, all maps from Nov 2012 will be our Gen17 base maps and will already carry the TiV mapping.
Its my new mappng methods for ME7 1.8T and MED9 2.0TFSI the results are amazing and allowing me to unlock the ecu more than ever before. I dont want to go into too much detail, but basically its a method I have been working on for 18months now which allows me to gain full control of the timing and boost and tune like a stand alone ecu with out over active PID or torque invertention. It removes lots of the stupid Bosch routines which hinder tuning for power. I am the only tuner offering this combination of tuning for 1.8T. TFSi and Focus 225 ST.. I wont be long until it gets copied like my linear throttle ideas...lol
Hi Nick,
I had my car down to you on the 17th Nov 2012 (t2wgy), i had your stage 1 custom map. As my map was done in November 2012 does that mean that i have the TIV code or did i just miss this? the car runs great with the new turbo and non blocked cat!
:)
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I remember ur car, I thought it had cracks around the wastegate or a turbo on its last legs due to the car not flowing the power at the top end. I think in Nov 2012 we was working med9 TiV development, so you might not be running my TiV coding. But you can book in for the update and to tweak them mapping now you have found and cured the peak flow issues.
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I remember ur car, I thought it had cracks around the wastegate or a turbo on its last legs due to the car not flowing the power at the top end. I think in Nov 2012 we was working med9 TiV development, so you might not be running my TiV coding. But you can book in for the update and to tweak them mapping now you have found and cured the peak flow issues.
Thats great Nick, i am having a new clutch fitted in two weeks so i will book it in with you after thats sorted. look forward to a trip down.
will contact you o your website to book things in.
Cheers
Andy