MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Xizor on November 15, 2012, 12:37:26 pm
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Hi Folk's,
Well after month's of searching I finally found a lovely '07 ED30 :happy2:
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However after living with it for a few weeks now, I've found 3 things I don't like about it:
1. There's quite a lot of road noise over anything other than very smooth tarmac.
2. The tyre roar over rough tarmac is getting on my nerves.
3. THE @~#@%$ ROAD NOISE!!
The car is running on Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetrics which I thought were meant to be quiet. They have done about 4500 miles.
Is there anything that can be done about it?
I've searched through numerous forums, including this one, and not found an easy effective solution. It is quiet on smooth tarmac, so it's not a wheel bearing problem or uneven tyre wear.
I really should know better, because I used to have a '07 Octavia which had the exact same problem and that was running on 16" wheels!
Oh, and please don't tell me to turn up the radio!
Sorry about the rant. I'm cross with myself for going for another car based on this noisy chassis.
Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
Xizor :smiley:
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What car did you have before?
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How much tyre tread depth is there?
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Get yourself some P-zero rossos, I could not believe the difference in road noise when I was running four of them.
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Change your tyres, sound deaden the panels, sell the car...
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Get an evoms Intake and a TBE exhaust you won't notice the tyre noise after that :rolleye:
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Its a shame to hear that your not totally happy with the car.
Me personally, I cant say that I have even noticed excessive road noise. Its not a problem for me and none of my passengers have picked upon it either. I have Michelin PS3's.
Has any one else noticed road noise being a problem??
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Get an evoms Intake and a TBE exhaust you won't notice the tyre noise after that :rolleye:
Got my vote! :grin:
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Thanks guys for the interesting replies!
To answer a few questions:
Richwig83 - My previous car was an Audi A4 diesel estate. Nice quiet car(on the inside!) but very boring. I wanted something that was more fun.
Hedge - The tyres have 7mm on the rear and 6 on the front. As I said, there are fairly new.
Swgti - A set of P-Zero Rossos would cost about £570! If they really cut the road noise it might be worth it.
Jigbake - Yes it's a shame because the rest of the car is great. You would certainly notice the road noise in my car!
Any more sensible/cheap solutions? Does changing the tyre pressures help? I've actually lowered them a bit thinking it might help being softer. Still bad! :confused:
Cheers,
Xizor
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Thanks guys for the interesting replies!
To answer a few questions:
Richwig83 - My previous car was an Audi A4 diesel estate. Nice quiet car(on the inside!) but very boring. I wanted something that was more fun.
Hedge - The tyres have 7mm on the rear and 6 on the front. As I said, there are fairly new.
Swgti - A set of P-Zero Rossos would cost about £570! If they really cut the road noise it might be worth it.
Jigbake - Yes it's a shame because the rest of the car is great. You would certainly notice the road noise in my car!
Any more sensible/cheap solutions? Does changing the tyre pressures help? I've actually lowered them a bit thinking it might help being softer. Still bad! :confused:
Cheers,
Xizor
where are you based? maybe you could take somebody off here for a drive and go in theirs and see if there is a difference???
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Im with OP on this one as I to find the road noise very irritating on certain surfaces... It does seem to be louder than any other car I have owned. Had PS3's and am now on F1 2's and I would say the Goodyear's are slightly better... Try the M54 towards Telford from the M6 ... shocking on the concrete surface. Still love the car though :wink:
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Tyre noise really anoys me as well. Is it the chassis or 17" wheels on my gt tdi sport?
My Mk4 was really quiet in comparison (15" wheels with fat tyres). For me too this is the worst car i have owned for it. Moved a michelin from the rear to the front, and it was that bad i thought a wheel bearing was on the way out. Now that its worn in a bit the noise is not so bad. I'm hoping the Bridgestone potenza s001's will be ok...
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I can't say that I have really noticed the road noise either so peculiar that you are hearing it that much that it becomes annoying. I'm running normal 17s, Eagle assy 2s at the front pilot sports at the rear so similar tyres.
I agree with gazbuts, see what someone else's is like
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Also have an ED30 shod with 18" GY F1 2's and TBH they are very good tyres and certainly no worse (road noise wise) than my previous set of tyres, Dunlop Sport Max's.
Have a read of this, saw thos on a site ages ago, no idea if its true or Bollox......
http://www.michelintransport.com/ple/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=40&lang=EN
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Ah! At last, some people who are suffering the same noise as me and are willing to admit it!
Also, DSG-GTI was using PS3's and says they were bad, but Jigbake has the same tyres and says they are fine. WTF is going on? :confused: I can only think that some people are more sensitive to it than others.
For me it is wholly dependent on the road surface. On smooth tarmac it's absolutely fine, but as soon as you hit any rough stuff it roars like concorde!
The trouble with changing tyres is that you can't take them back if they are no better. If I could be certain that a particular tyre would eliminate the noise I would change tomorrow.
It's a great shame 'cause if I can't solve this it's days are numbered. Anyone interested?
Cheers
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I thi k a lot of people could be used to the tyre noise from previous cars.
After having BMW s for years then onto a mk4 golf the next car I bought was an Astra H and I thought the road noise was terrible I got used to the noise from the Astra so didn't really notice it in my mk5
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Ah! At last, some people who are suffering the same noise as me and are willing to admit it!
Also, DSG-GTI was using PS3's and says they were bad, but Jigbake has the same tyres and says they are fine. WTF is going on? :confused: I can only think that some people are more sensitive to it than others.
For me it is wholly dependent on the road surface. On smooth tarmac it's absolutely fine, but as soon as you hit any rough stuff it roars like concorde!
The trouble with changing tyres is that you can't take them back if they are no better. If I could be certain that a particular tyre would eliminate the noise I would change tomorrow.
It's a great shame 'cause if I can't solve this it's days are numbered. Anyone interested?
Cheers
I didn't say the PS3's were bad... :surprised: I went from the 17" PS3's to 18" GY Eagle F1's and was worried that going up a size was going to make the ride to firm, I was told that the sidewall of the GY was slightly softer than the Mich so that's why i went for them, As for the noise levels between the two... not a lot in it for me... I don't think any Low profile tyre is going to make it as quiet as a 5 series beemer :wink: Maybe it's the sound proofing in the chassis or the hard bushes in the suspension that transmitting the noise... Maybe there is a company that does a sound proofing kit that could be added to make it a bit better.
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WOW! The more time i spend on this site the more dissapointed i get about buying a Mk5 Gti, road noise is one thing that would really bother me as i would be buying a decent car worth 6 or 7k and expect it to be quiet on most roads. To me it just seems like poor insulation of the cabin.
I used to own a Mk4 gti with 16" wheels which was not too bad unless i was on a really bad road. My e39 M5 has 18" wheels and is very quiet, the road has to be terrible for any road noise, thats why after reading this im not so sure about changing to a Mk5 as i love everything else about them. Like someone said it could also be the bushes? And yeah the best thing would be to drive a few others with the same size wheels.
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Ive done 47000 miles in my Ed30 and I cant say that the road noise annoys me that much.
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WOW! The more time i spend on this site the more dissapointed i get about buying a Mk5 Gti, road noise is one thing that would really bother me as i would be buying a decent car worth 6 or 7k and expect it to be quiet on most roads. To me it just seems like poor insulation of the cabin.
I used to own a Mk4 gti with 16" wheels which was not too bad unless i was on a really bad road. My e39 M5 has 18" wheels and is very quiet, the road has to be terrible for any road noise, thats why after reading this im not so sure about changing to a Mk5 as i love everything else about them. Like someone said it could also be the bushes? And yeah the best thing would be to drive a few others with the same size wheels.
Sell the car and you won't need to moan about it anymore. Job done!! :confused:
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WOW! The more time i spend on this site the more dissapointed i get about buying a Mk5 Gti, road noise is one thing that would really bother me as i would be buying a decent car worth 6 or 7k and expect it to be quiet on most roads. To me it just seems like poor insulation of the cabin.
I used to own a Mk4 gti with 16" wheels which was not too bad unless i was on a really bad road. My e39 M5 has 18" wheels and is very quiet, the road has to be terrible for any road noise, thats why after reading this im not so sure about changing to a Mk5 as i love everything else about them. Like someone said it could also be the bushes? And yeah the best thing would be to drive a few others with the same size wheels.
Big 5 series BMWs are quiet.... its a big heavy car with thick doors. My friend has a T reg 523i and its as quiet as a mouse on the motorway.... boring and slow though!
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Ah! At last, some people who are suffering the same noise as me and are willing to admit it!
Also, DSG-GTI was using PS3's and says they were bad, but Jigbake has the same tyres and says they are fine. WTF is going on? :confused: I can only think that some people are more sensitive to it than others.
For me it is wholly dependent on the road surface. On smooth tarmac it's absolutely fine, but as soon as you hit any rough stuff it roars like concorde!
The trouble with changing tyres is that you can't take them back if they are no better. If I could be certain that a particular tyre would eliminate the noise I would change tomorrow.
It's a great shame 'cause if I can't solve this it's days are numbered. Anyone interested?
Cheers
spot on. It seems to get far worse on bad concrete parts of the A12. On smooth tarmac no noise at all.
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OK, if I change all 4 tyres for something allegedly 'quiet', how much do you think I would get for 4 part worn (6mm left) F1 Asym 2's?
Mazza - It seems all VAG cars built on this chassis seem to be very sensitive to tyres. So we are talking Audi A3, Seat Leon, Skoda Oct & VW Golf Mk5/6. Be prepared!
Cheers,
Xizor
PS. Anyone tried the new Falken FK453? Some say it's very quiet. :happy2:
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The goodyears are not particularly noisy... if you think that changing tyres will make it silent then i think you are wrong.
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I don't think changing the tyres will make it silent, but a big improvement would be good. :wink:
What do you use Richwig?
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goodyear F1 v2... great tyres
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WOW! The more time i spend on this site the more dissapointed i get about buying a Mk5 Gti, road noise is one thing that would really bother me as i would be buying a decent car worth 6 or 7k and expect it to be quiet on most roads. To me it just seems like poor insulation of the cabin.
I used to own a Mk4 gti with 16" wheels which was not too bad unless i was on a really bad road. My e39 M5 has 18" wheels and is very quiet, the road has to be terrible for any road noise, thats why after reading this im not so sure about changing to a Mk5 as i love everything else about them. Like someone said it could also be the bushes? And yeah the best thing would be to drive a few others with the same size wheels.
Sell the car and you won't need to moan about it anymore. Job done!! :confused:[/font]
MC71 I think you are confusing me with Xizor, he is the one complaining about the noisy ride not me, i was just making a point about a good quality car that should be fairly quiet. Of course the bme will be quieter no doubt but the golf is a quality product too and should be quite refined. Xizor it may be the case about the chassis but you should try another car before selling just in case its tyres etc.
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WOW! The more time i spend on this site the more dissapointed i get about buying a Mk5 Gti, road noise is one thing that would really bother me as i would be buying a decent car worth 6 or 7k and expect it to be quiet on most roads.
What does the amount of money you spend on it have to do with it? You're buying from the lower end of the price range, but to be honest it wouldn't matter if you were spending £15k. It would still be the same.
Sounds like people are wanting the GTI to be something it isn't. If you want to waft buy a Mercedes or a Volvo.
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What does the amount of money you spend on it have to do with it? You're buying from the lower end of the price range, but to be honest it wouldn't matter if you were spending £15k. It would still be the same.
Sounds like people are wanting the GTI to be something it isn't. If you want to waft buy a Mercedes or a Volvo.
Sorry but the amount of money you spend does matter, the golf is a 20k+ car and if im spending that much money i would expect a quiet enough ride the same with any 20k car i would buy.
Not expecting too much but the Mk5 Gti is supposed to be a good allrounder which i believe is, its clear Xizor is not happy with it as he wouldnt be complaining. All we are doing here is trying to figure out why he has a noisy ride, it could be tyres, it could be bushes who knows? Im not trying to slate the car why would i as im actually looking to buy one. :smiley:
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Perhaps an extreme example, but a Caterham R300 is £28k, but I'm guessing the ride isn't too quiet! Expecting two £20k cars to offer similar levels of refinement isn't logical if you don't take into account the cars primary purpose. The Golf is indeed a great all-rounder, but adding sound deadening adds weight, which compromises performance.
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Perhaps an extreme example, but a Caterham R300 is £28k, but I'm guessing the ride isn't too quiet! Expecting two £20k cars to offer similar levels of refinement isn't logical if you don't take into account the cars primary purpose. The Golf is indeed a great all-rounder, but adding sound deadening adds weight, which compromises performance.
Andrew fair point but i wouldnt expect a Caterham to be quiet and refined as i would be buying it for outright speed and a weekend blast, on the other hand i want to buy a daily driver Golf gti for a decent amount of speed and a decent amount of comfort and practicality. ie ride quality and noise should not be a compromise
Anyway lets not make this a heated debate about how good the Mk5 Gti is as no car is perfect, we just need to sort out Xizors noisy ride before he sells it :laugh:
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Get an evoms Intake and a TBE exhaust you won't notice the tyre noise after that :rolleye:
too true dont notice anything like that :evilgrin:
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I had bridgestones on my ed30 but have changed to PS3's and they are lots better.
Try emigrating to France, the roads are super quiet over there, the tarmac is probably cooked better. I always notice it the second I get off the Eurotunnel.
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read the first page dude on this thread then jumped to the end,,, I researched the tyre dep heavily only a matter of weeks ago as I just bought the car and it had noisy tyres on it with 2 diff Michelin tread patterns on,,, I came from a mk4 golf and my wife still runs her mk4 golf and I noticed the road noise straight away.
I put that down to going from 15s to 18s and 3mm tryes and wrong tread patterns but I knew no matter what I bought it would be noisier than my mk4 simply due to the bigger wheels.
I ran threads on here for quiet tyres but also wanted the best grip I could get,,, after a lot of research and a lot of help from other members I decided the best all round tyre out there was the eagle asym 2s and fitted mine about a month ago.
it is not your tyres dude,,,,, you may and I stress may find a marginally quieter tyre out there but it will sacrifice gripp or something else.
if your tyres have only done 4500 miles and are 7mm and 6mm then it aint them, I changed my pressures also from the guy who fitted them which was 34psi down to 30psi,,, I have not even checked what they are meant to be but the slightly softer ride helps.
im thinking if your pressures are ok, it may be your wheel allingment,,,, have you had that checked at all in the past ?
try driving on a flat road and take your hands of the wheel to see if your car drifts,,, try and get a flat road though as most uk roads are designed to pull to the laft for water dispersal.
other thing it could be and a bit of a long shot is you may just have a wheel that is out of balance or could even have a buckle,,,,, very very common an unbalanced wheel.
if I was you I would prob pop in somewhere and just get them to balance all your wheels and ask them if any are out,,, will take 10 minutes and cost about £15 or so,,, then check if your car is any straighter.
if you have a wheel out of balance you wont necessarily notice it by the car drifting as it may not effect it but an unbalanced wheel can and will contribute to road noise.
once this is all done then if you still have a prob then try and meet up with someone else from the forum with the same car and compare each others on the same road.
just my tuppence worth buddy :happy2:
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I though new tyres had to produce a label with how loud they are on.
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I though new tyres had to produce a label with how loud they are on.
they do but it isn't really publicised information
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I have experienced road noise from Goodyear Assym 2's and more so on Dunlop sportmax when test driving customers cars.
Maybe see if there's a member on here that's local that can give you a 2nd opinion compared to their car? Or go drive a modern Renault/Citroen/Peugeot (or other euro sh*tbox) and see what real road noise is!
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Get yourself some P-zero rossos, I could not believe the difference in road noise when I was running four of them.
What he said. :happy2:
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Get yourself some P-zero rossos, I could not believe the difference in road noise when I was running four of them.
What he said. :happy2:
don't waste your money slapping new rubber on, your tyres are very good quality and lots of gti drivers on this forum rate them as the best rubber you can buy, plus if you have an out of balance wheel new tyres wont eradicate that,, well not until they rebalance the wheel anyway,,,,, get the balance checked the way they are now as its the only way you will find out if this was the problem
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I though new tyres had to produce a label with how loud they are on.
they do but it isn't really publicised information
when you buy new tyres now the information has to be on your reciept
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I though new tyres had to produce a label with how loud they are on.
they do but it isn't really publicised information
when you buy new tyres now the information has to be on your reciept
so does the decibel rating have to do on it as well now ?
plus you are going to get this info on your receipt - ie - when you have already had them fitted and paid for them I guess if that's the case and it will be to late then.
I personally do not believe the manufacturers decibel level on their tyres as im sure you are not necessarily going to get the same on the open road and I worked for Michelin for years and ran a tyre garage for a few years as well although this was a few years back.
I generally read reviews to narrow the search then once I have maybe a top 3 then hit the forum to find out what other drivers think as they are driving exactly the same car and the feedback you get on this forum is generally very good with a lot of helpful people.
get the balance checked on your existing tyres mate,,, £15 and 10 minutes
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Thanks Scott for the very useful input.
I have a feeling you are probably right. Changing the tyres will only make a marginal difference. Although some people have told me it's like night & day! I really don't know what to believe.
Tyres are fairly unique, in that you can't take them back if you don't get on with them. It's an expensive gamble.
BTW, the noise rating now required on tyres is the external noise. That may not necessarily relate to the noise inside the car.
I have experienced road noise from Goodyear Assym 2's and more so on Dunlop sportmax when test driving customers cars.
That's interesting PDT. Have there been any cars that have seemed quiet? If so, did you notice what rubber they were on?
Hopefully I will be able to have a ride in another ED30 soon for comparison.
Cheers :smiley:
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You now have to tell the customer all the information before buying now
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Thanks Scott for the very useful input.
I have a feeling you are probably right. Changing the tyres will only make a marginal difference. Although some people have told me it's like night & day! I really don't know what to believe.
Tyres are fairly unique, in that you can't take them back if you don't get on with them. It's an expensive gamble.
BTW, the noise rating now required on tyres is the external noise. That may not necessarily relate to the noise inside the car.
I have experienced road noise from Goodyear Assym 2's and more so on Dunlop sportmax when test driving customers cars.
That's interesting PDT. Have there been any cars that have seemed quiet? If so, did you notice what rubber they were on?
Hopefully I will be able to have a ride in another ED30 soon for comparison.
Cheers :smiley:
no probs mate, I don't like slating peoples opinions but for the goodyear in comparison to the Pirelli being night and day it simply isn't true, I studied these 2 tyres compared to each other hard, when I came for peoples opinions on this forum all the research I done pointed to the goodyears being slightly the better tyre in all departments including water dispersal but road noise was my biggest problem like you.
is your car lower than normal gti ? if so this will cause noise, I backed up my tyre choice with some people on here who have driven gti's for years and are on the same tyres albeit some of them on the older tread pattern asym 1s apposed to 2s,,,, Pirelli is a good tyre although a soft tyre which limits their mileage but if your tyres are in the condition you say they are with 6mm tread you will not benefit changing to Pirelli, in fact I think it will be noisier.
pop into a as you wait garage and ask them to check the balance on your wheels and make sure they tell you how much they where out by,,, it could be something simple like weights fallen off one wheel, as I said will take 15 minutes and cost £20 at the most, also set the tyre pressures exactly the same all round, then go for a drive,,,, make sure you tell them when balancing the wheels you want them bang on zero as some garages just get the weight close and don't bother getting it spot on cause they are just lazy and it is a low profit job to re-balance wheels,,,,,, if one of the wheels is way out then it is buckled and you will need a new one - but only if it is waaaaay out though.
with regards to garages now having to tell you the tyre sticker details - can you imagine going into a busy kwik fit or something and the guy saying to you - yes sir this tyre is a grip rating A and it is a noise rating E and so on,,,,,,,,, no chance unless they think they are getting mystery shopped lol.
you already have one of the best tyres out there, just find out why they are noisy,,, could just be the car,,, when I first got mine I found it noisy but once I chucked the 4mm or so Michelins off and put on the asym 2s although with brand new wheels I got used to it being a bit noisier than my old car and I don't notice it now at all.
im gonna hedge my bets here on tyre inbalance,,, keep us posted dude but don't waste your £sss on new rubber
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You need to ask people from you area to take you for a ride. It would be really really helpful, especially if they are running different tyres. Changing the tyres just because of road noise is a very expensive move to make, without a garauntee of it resolving the problem.
I havent drove my car in a couple of weeks now, so im going to get it out the garage today and listen out for road noise now its been mentioned.
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You need to ask people from you area to take you for a ride. It would be really really helpful, especially if they are running different tyres. Changing the tyres just because of road noise is a very expensive move to make, without a garauntee of it resolving the problem.
I havent drove my car in a couple of weeks now, so im going to get it out the garage today and listen out for road noise now its been mentioned.
remember your tyres will be very cold dude being in storage, give them 10 minutes on the road to soften and heat up :happy2:
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Yeah, hopefully I will be able to compare my car with another ED30 very soon.
What I meant to say about buying tyres is that it's one of the few things I can think of that you can't try before you buy. Jeez, if you could do that this whole problem would be solved easily! :surprised:
Scott - the car is bog standard and I doubt there is a wheel balance problem. As I said it's absolutely fine and quiet on smooth tarmac. It's just when I hit any sort of rough surface that it starts to roar.
Cheers
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Most of the noise appears to be transmitted to the shell from the rear "axle". If you look at quieter cars with a multi-link rear suspension design, the rear subframe is typically isolated from the shell by rubber bushes. It's the same story with a Focus, which is similar in design to a Mk5 Golf at the rear, yet the current shape mondeo and s-max which are an enlarged evolution of the focus rear are quieter and have a rubber mounted rear subframe.
The Golf / Octavia / A3 / Leon with the multi-link rear end are noisy, the only exceptions I've noted are the 4wd cars, which presumably have a rubber isolated rear subframe - mainly to avoid diff noise transfer to the shell, but with the added benefit of additional road noise isolation?
Anyone know if the Passat has a directly mounted rear subframe?
The way to make a Mk5 golf quieter is move to France and drive only on super smooth Autoroutes. :evilgrin: That said my car is much quieter on the winter tyres than GY F1v2.
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Tbh I'd never gave road noise a second thought on the car and I've driven across boarders on mine, my mrs however pointed out to me the other day that the car was very noisy on the road compared to her car or the RS and in truth I have to agree it does kick out a fair bit road noise !
Don't get vreds they are bad !
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Thanks for the technical explanation, lackof.
All very interesting. As you say, this problem effects all the VAG cars on this platform.
Maybe some extra sound insulation would help. It's worth a try :confused:
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Just found this:
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read this
http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/passenger/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/index.jsp?from=tf
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read this
http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/passenger/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/index.jsp?from=tf
Well, all I can say is, if the F1 asym 2's are supposed to be quiet I feel sorry for anyone using a louder tyre! :sad1:
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I went from Dunlop Sportmaxx to GY's and if you think the GY's are loud . . . . :grin:
18in wheels add to the road noise, as do low tyre pressures (worth checking pressures??)
Personally I don't find the mk5 particularly noisy anyway, and I've had numerous hot hatches before which were all noisier. It takes a really rough surface for me to notice much noise in the GTI. I imagine lesser models are quieter due to softer suspension :happy2:
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I have dunlop sportmax on at the moment and the rears have sawtoothing the rumbling is is really bad :scared: when i replace them in the new year i was going for a set of gy, im glad this thread started i thought it was just me who thought this car was loud. :jumping:
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read this
http://www.goodyear.eu/uk_en/tires/passenger/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/index.jsp?from=tf
Well, all I can say is, if the F1 asym 2's are supposed to be quiet I feel sorry for anyone using a louder tyre! :sad1:
as I said before, the noise is not your tyres, go and spend £400 + on new rubber and you will find out the hard way
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Problem solved! :happy2:
The ED30 has gone to a better home!
Now got a MK1 Seat Leon Cupra R.
Much nicer car IMO. Less road noise, just as fast, more unusual and nearly £5K less!
Thanks for all the help during my short GTI ownership.
Cheers,
Xizor :smiley:
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Are you sure the mk1 Leon is quieter??? My mate has one and it's a lot louder for road noise, wind noise and cabin squeaks and creaks.
My ED30 is far from quiet, but weirdly on smooth roads it's quieter than my old BMW 1 series coupe which i would have expected to be quieter. On rough roads, its a different story, ED30 is loud and hard, BMW was quiet and well damped.
I'm going to fit sound deadening sheets to the large expanses of metal around the inside of the car and where suspension parts could transmit noise through the car. I previously done this to my mk4 Ibiza and the difference was great.
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OK, I agree, the ED30 was very quiet on smooth roads.
But, on anything other than glass smooth tarmac it was bad. It was doing my head in and I couldn't take it any longer. There is road noise in the Leon, but it doesn't seem half as annoying as the ED30.
Maybe the ED30 noise was resonating with my brain or something! :confused:
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I've gone the opposite way. I've come from a seat Leon cupra mk1 to the edy 30. I found both to be similar with regards to road noise however the cupra also had some annoying squeaks from inside the cabin. Hope you enjoy the cupra - they are pretty quick too! :smiley: