MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: mazza on November 21, 2012, 09:51:46 am
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Hi Folks
Have been looking for a standard GTI for a while now with the intention of a few mods and was just wondering how much it would cost me in upgrades to get a good 300bhp from a standard car. I know its easier to buy a ED30 and remap it but they are a bit out of my price range at 10k at them moment. Any thoughts?
Cheers
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You will struggle to get 300BHP from the standard GTI with K03 Turbo, more like 250 - 270 tops :pomppomp:
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It would cost a few grand for a normal GTI, Air intake, remap, exhaust, HPFP... approx 280bhp - 290bhp
But with the ED30 a remap would get you near 300 bhp + your getting the ED30 extras...
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Mazza as others have already stated better holding on for an ed30,not only does it give you more scope for modding in the future ,the internals are stronger than the k03 car,i have a gti k03 at moment and have spent in the regions of £3k to get to 300bhp ish but had to go the long and costly road of upgrading turbo to k04,s3 injectors,extra cooling forge twintercooler,more air itg cai,and to be pretty honest m8,its not been without its hassels along the way,so imo for what i have had to spend so far i would of been better of just waiting for an edition 30 and just then a simple stage 1 remap (revo)and performance panel filter=300bhp.you will also have to take into account that with bigger power comes greater stopping distance hence uprated brakes,i went for the awesome s3 set up as i have no intention of tracking her ideal for road use,and it goes on lol :drinking:
Dougie :happy2:
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Hi guys, thanks for the advice, Dougie thanks for the info, your car sounds just about what i want? Wanna sell :smiley: I understand it might be easier to wait for a Ed30. The only thing is i dont like about them is the wheels and the half leather interior, prefer the cloth seats in standard gti, suppose if i bought one i could swap them. Do you think Ed30 will be coming down in price?
Aaaah what do i do? buy a standard gti and then sell in a few years and get a ed30 or wait....decisions :confused:
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Why 300bhp? Not really important IMHO.
Get the a car you can afford and go from there. If you can afford an Eddy, all the better and a stage 1 tune alone with no additional modifications will give you a whole world of difference. If not, get an early GTI and the money saved will give you a good head start in modifying the car to your own personal specifications. If 300bhp is your ultimate goal then look for a DSG car as it will save you £1k+ in a clutch alone if your going to go Stage 2+.
:happy2:
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What is the 0-60 time looking like for a 300bhp mk5?
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300bhp isn't the be all and end all. If a GTI is well within budget then it is a very capable car in K03 form. Even more so once tuned. Ours is stage 1 at the minute and I am surprised how quick it feels due to the way the K03 spools up so quickly.
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300bhp is just a number for pub bragging :grin:
Drivability and power throughout the rev range is what you want.
Cheapest way to 300bhp is a k04 turbo, DV relocation & discharge pipe, exhaust downpipe / decat (or sports cat) panel filter and a proper custom map. The standard injectors can flow 300bhp so that's all you need. . . :happy2:
That should just nudge 300bhp, failing that, a K&N typhoon (cheapest induction kit) will do it
(out of the box maps such as revo or superchips will require upgraded injectors)
Graeme
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You can have my stage 2+ edition for £9999 :P
... but it's closer to 350bhp...
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I think coming from 400bhp m5 i will not be happy with just standard gti but a remap may be just enough, i havent driven a standard mk5 yet so i may be impressed with it anyway. Do you guys with 300bhp get any torque steer? Is it quite easy to put the power down?
E30 DOM i would love to have your car but a bit beyond my budget :P
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I think coming from 400bhp m5 i will not be happy with just standard gti but a remap may be just enough, i havent driven a standard mk5 yet so i may be impressed with it anyway. Do you guys with 300bhp get any torque steer? Is it quite easy to put the power down?
E30 DOM i would love to have your car but a bit beyond my budget :P
I drove my brother's E39 M5 and wasn't that impressed with it, must be the bulk... There's hardly any torque steer and only issue getting power down is in the wet, you just learn to modulate the power...
How far's a bit? ;)
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The power delivery in the M5 is very linear so there is no spike just a constant surge and due to the size also its deceptively fast, you dont notice the speed your doing until you look at the speedo and think i better keep hold of my licence now :scared:
Its good to hear that torque steer is not a problem!
How far's a bit?....its about 4k :P
My search continues......................
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Well good luck with your search... They're alot of fun :)
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Have a look at this thread to see how a GTI with KO3 was modded close to 300 BHP:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=225815.0
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Mazza there is not enough money in the world that would make me sell her lol,(luv her more than the wife lol)all the blood and sweat and late nights i went through and trips up and down to my tuner is worth it now.but i suppose thats half the enjoyment of modding.as for torque steer well it all depends on how you drive her,ie if you are aggresive with the power then yes you can obviously expect loads of wheel spin and suspension hop/skip but the longer you have that amount of power the better you are at knowing how to best get the power on the road.iv found my self personally using third gear on to give her some if and when the occasion presents its self lmao.i will say one thing and probably most of the other forumites will agree with me here,when you have that amount of power you know you have it,but you dont really use it so often if that makes sence ie its incredible how quick it covers the ground three figures comes up very quickly effortlessly fast,imo the gti at 300bhp is really all you will need or can possibly use on the public road,so m8 ed30 or gti k03 get it bought and enjoy one of the best front wheel drive adrenaline rushes you will get.
All the best n safe driving buddy :drinking:
Dougie :happy2:
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Why 300bhp? Not really important IMHO.
....I was going to post exactly the same.
You have stated that you can't afford a K04 turbo'd Ed30 but by the time you have got your K03 turbo'd GTI to 300 bhp, you'll have spent a similar amount.
I guess it's personal preferences but with a Revo Stage 2, 270 bhp GTI with Quaife diff, AP Racing brakes, KW V3 coilovers, UNIbraces, SuperPro bushes, engine mounts, etc, etc, etc, she has plenty of power and great handling. My car isn't faster than a 320 bhp Ed30 but feels faster.
Power is useless without traction.
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As Robin has just stated the k03 car picks up way faster than the k04 car due to it not having as much of the dredded turbo lag,this is one of the things i most miss about my car when it was on the k03,settings.but when the magical 4k is reached all hell brakes loose lol
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I had a mine at 296bhp 296lb/ft.
It was great fun, no torque steer, minimal slip in 2nd gear (1st was useless)
Mods: Milltek TBE (£500 2nd hand) & Neuspeed P-flow (£180 new) Revo Stage 2 (£500 Limited time offer)
05 GTi KO3 standard apart from above
I had an Airtec twincooler on for 100 miles but didn't have the map tweaked before I sold the car (which I still have for sale)
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My friend is selling his GTI, black 06 plate with 80k.
APR exhaust, Neuspeed intake and APR stage 2. Corsa VXR Recaro CS's with the rears trimmed to match (brand new) Forge 6 pots and 350mm discs, KW coilies, late R32 wheels and a twintercooler. Has a lovely sound install in the boot too. It's like 280bhp and he only wants 7k, bargain!
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can I ask is ALL mk5 gti's got the k03 engine, mine is an 08 so I guess that's what I have ?
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^^^^ yes! :happy2:
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^^^^ yes! :happy2:
thanks :happy2:
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Scott the only cars with the k04 is the pirelli and the edition 30 on the mk5 anyway.
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Scott the only cars with the k04 is the pirelli and the edition 30 on the mk5 anyway.
before I bought my car I went to see a cracking ed 30 in black, same age 08 and same colour, was a nice car, the reason I didn't buy it was due to the hard ride, every bump felt file a speed bump, then there was the worse fuel consumption and lastly the mad road tax.
the car was very well looked after with full history, all vw services but it was a very hard ride ?
I don't know if there is any diff in the suspension etc between the gti and the ed 30 but was the reason I didn't buy it.
also at the time I didn't like the half tartan seats but they have grown on me now after seeing lots of pics,,,, still happy with my full leather though :happy2:
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Scott, the OEM GTI and Ed30 suspension are exactly the same.
Is either the mpg or the road tax any different between GTI and Ed30? :confused: - I didn't think there were any differences between the two. R32 is different.
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Scott, the OEM GTI and Ed30 suspension are exactly the same.
Is either the mpg or the road tax any different between GTI and Ed30? :confused: - I didn't think there were any differences between the two. R32 is different.
bingo, apologies rr, that's what I went to see, the r32
sorry got confused there
very hard ride
£800 or so road tax
I considered a Pirelli but didn't like the wheels on the pics at the time,,,, I wanted the golf gti for the Monza look as in my opinion it is still the best loking wheel that the gti has.
after a bit of time now I actually like the look of the Pirelli wheels and maybe I should have went to see one when I had the chance of one close to me.
one of the interiors I seen and I cant remember what car it was was weird and looked like it would burst easily,,, wasn't cloth, wasn't leather, was more like a spongy black elastic cloth ??? is that the Pirelli interior or am I going crazy here,,, whatever one it was I was thinking to myself - only a matter of time before my kids get that burst and a small hole will grow to a huge hole ?
in hindsight I think I would be looking for a more special edition gti like the Pirelli or the ed 30 but I am happy with my gti tbh and we all want more than we have lol,,,,,, damn what seet cover was that now,,, was def oem fit
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Scott the only cars with the k04 is the pirelli and the edition 30 on the mk5 anyway.
before I bought my car I went to see a cracking ed 30 in black, same age 08 and same colour, was a nice car, the reason I didn't buy it was due to the hard ride, every bump felt file a speed bump, then there was the worse fuel consumption and lastly the mad road tax.
the car was very well looked after with full history, all vw services but it was a very hard ride ?
I don't know if there is any diff in the suspension etc between the gti and the ed 30 but was the reason I didn't buy it.
also at the time I didn't like the half tartan seats but they have grown on me now after seeing lots of pics,,,, still happy with my full leather though :happy2:
GTI and EDITION30/Pirelli all cost the same for road tax, £250 but the .:R32 is a massive £460-£475.
Maybe the GTI you were in had 17" wheels as the Edition30 has 18" wheels, might be that re the comfort difference.
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Scott the only cars with the k04 is the pirelli and the edition 30 on the mk5 anyway.
before I bought my car I went to see a cracking ed 30 in black, same age 08 and same colour, was a nice car, the reason I didn't buy it was due to the hard ride, every bump felt file a speed bump, then there was the worse fuel consumption and lastly the mad road tax.
the car was very well looked after with full history, all vw services but it was a very hard ride ?
I don't know if there is any diff in the suspension etc between the gti and the ed 30 but was the reason I didn't buy it.
also at the time I didn't like the half tartan seats but they have grown on me now after seeing lots of pics,,,, still happy with my full leather though :happy2:
GTI and EDITION30/Pirelli all cost the same for road tax, £250 but the .:R32 is a massive £460-£475.
Maybe the GTI you were in had 17" wheels as the Edition30 has 18" wheels, might be that re the comfort difference.
ok I remember one thing, the car was 4 wheel drive, :stupid: yeah me I know
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Scott, the OEM GTI and Ed30 suspension are exactly the same.
Is either the mpg or the road tax any different between GTI and Ed30? :confused: - I didn't think there were any differences between the two. R32 is different.
bingo, apologies rr, that's what I went to see, the r32
sorry got confused there
very hard ride
£800 or so road tax
I considered a Pirelli but didn't like the wheels on the pics at the time,,,, I wanted the golf gti for the Monza look as in my opinion it is still the best loking wheel that the gti has.
after a bit of time now I actually like the look of the Pirelli wheels and maybe I should have went to see one when I had the chance of one close to me.
one of the interiors I seen and I cant remember what car it was was weird and looked like it would burst easily,,, wasn't cloth, wasn't leather, was more like a spongy black elastic cloth ??? is that the Pirelli interior or am I going crazy here,,, whatever one it was I was thinking to myself - only a matter of time before my kids get that burst and a small hole will grow to a huge hole ?
in hindsight I think I would be looking for a more special edition gti like the Pirelli or the ed 30 but I am happy with my gti tbh and we all want more than we have lol,,,,,, damn what seet cover was that now,,, was def oem fit
Pirelli seats...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2F54a18e0f40c922dc58a43b8d4cbbce79.jpg&hash=fa85ecd61d3a6999b60926724d4053ff3b0b01a4)
Tyre tread pattern, nice touch IMO.
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Scott, the OEM GTI and Ed30 suspension are exactly the same.
Is either the mpg or the road tax any different between GTI and Ed30? :confused: - I didn't think there were any differences between the two. R32 is different.
bingo, apologies rr, that's what I went to see, the r32
sorry got confused there
very hard ride
£800 or so road tax
I considered a Pirelli but didn't like the wheels on the pics at the time,,,, I wanted the golf gti for the Monza look as in my opinion it is still the best loking wheel that the gti has.
after a bit of time now I actually like the look of the Pirelli wheels and maybe I should have went to see one when I had the chance of one close to me.
one of the interiors I seen and I cant remember what car it was was weird and looked like it would burst easily,,, wasn't cloth, wasn't leather, was more like a spongy black elastic cloth ??? is that the Pirelli interior or am I going crazy here,,, whatever one it was I was thinking to myself - only a matter of time before my kids get that burst and a small hole will grow to a huge hole ?
in hindsight I think I would be looking for a more special edition gti like the Pirelli or the ed 30 but I am happy with my gti tbh and we all want more than we have lol,,,,,, damn what seet cover was that now,,, was def oem fit
Pirelli seats...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2F54a18e0f40c922dc58a43b8d4cbbce79.jpg&hash=fa85ecd61d3a6999b60926724d4053ff3b0b01a4)
Tyre tread pattern, nice touch IMO.
that's the seats, I remember now, I am getting confused by 2 diff cars, I seen a Pirelli model at a car sales yard, sat inside it,,, look good in the pics but when I examined the seats it looked like the kind of material that when a small hole appears it will just stretch out to a big one and I have a 3 year old and 6 year old who are in the car every day.
im no cloth expert but that's what they looked like but I could be wrong
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300bhp isn't the be all and end all. If a GTI is well within budget then it is a very capable car in K03 form. Even more so once tuned. Ours is stage 1 at the minute and I am surprised how quick it feels due to the way the K03 spools up so quickly.
+1
Mine is Stage 1 Revo and it feels plenty quick enough.