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Title: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 05:16:42 pm
Hey All

If anybody could shed some light on this for me please, as my car is in bits:-

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to get up there where you can see red!
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I find it really tight in round the area of were the canbus is, i cant even get all 3 clips of just 2 or disconnect the red clip thats connected to the canbus...

I have tried going in from the engine bay behind the wipers, but not much room there either, & i dont have big hands.

If anyone can help with any pointers, i would be so grateful  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Jonny on November 23, 2012, 05:26:42 pm
Can't help much, but it was a bit of a bugger when I changed mine, though I went through the inside. Once I located it, it was a matter of just using the hands without looking to unclip the plug and waddle it out. I found that the easy part... putting the new one back in the same place and putting the plug back in was painful!  :fighting: :fighting: 

Eddie might have a lot more info
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 05:33:06 pm
Cheers Jonny! Did you unclip the canbus 1st or undo the clip?
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: ianv5 on November 23, 2012, 05:36:34 pm
Had the same problem, managed to replace old with new but could not put it back into clip so got some tape and secured it out of the way of moving parts e.g clutch pedal and has been ok so far!
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Jonny on November 23, 2012, 05:38:34 pm
If I can remember correctly, the campus did slot into a holder, once I unhooked it from that I found it easier to unclip the clip. The clips an arse to release aswell especially when you can't see what you're doing. Good luck
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 06:03:37 pm
I really dont know how ya's done it!    :sad1:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 06:34:58 pm
Hi Neil,

....surely someone has some advice on changing these for you???

It's painful when the car is in bits and you need help to continue with the job.  :sad1:


I've found a bit of a video on YouTube but its for a DSG so it'll be easier than a manual.

Ill keep searching for some help for you. It's just one of those jobs I've not done myself.  :ashamed:



Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: BlackGTI on November 23, 2012, 06:44:19 pm
When I removed mine I went in from under the dash,removed the plastic cover which looks like you already have, then removed the air pipe which is in your pic, dropped the relay holder out the way. Then on the face of the dash is a pocket/compartment that opens up and pulls off. Then you should have better access to remove the canbus.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 06:50:05 pm
^^^^^^ That sounds like a pretty good explanation BlackGti  :congrats:^^^^^^

Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 06:51:15 pm
Hi Neil,

....surely someone has some advice on changing these for you???

It's painful when the car is in bits and you need help to continue with the job.  :sad1:


I've found a bit of a video on YouTube but its for a DSG so it'll be easier than a manual.

Ill keep searching for some help for you. It's just one of those jobs I've not done myself.  :ashamed:





cheers monte i seen that video, only if it was a dsg, 5 mins would do it  :party:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 06:52:12 pm
When I removed mine I went in from under the dash,removed the plastic cover which looks like you already have, then removed the air pipe which is in your pic, dropped the relay holder out the way. Then on the face of the dash is a pocket/compartment that opens up and pulls off. Then you should have better access to remove the canbus.
Hope this helps and good luck.

thanks Black, do you know how many screws holds that pipe on?
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 07:14:56 pm
take the pipe work out that is in the lower footwell

prise the gateway holder away from the metal cage
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 07:29:10 pm
take the pipe work out that is in the lower footwell

prise the gateway holder away from the metal cage

i'm getting somewhere now  :party:  i have the red connecter of, just need to get the canbus out now, how is it attached in there?

how do u mean prise away Ed

much more room to work with that pipe out of the way

thanks guys, i was close to givin up there!
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: damoegan on November 23, 2012, 07:34:56 pm
Did mine tody (cut hands to ribbons  :sad1:).

Mine was not in the place where the youtube vid said. It was behind the relay ubit....

Remove the little drawer/cubby try thing under ther steering wheel, uuclip the top relay set and it was behind there. Such a PITA to remove the clips and plug  :sick:

PS, mine is a 57' plate R32 DSG..
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: mortygttdi on November 23, 2012, 07:38:18 pm
That metal rod that is hanging down is attached to the steering column by 2 bolts take it out and you can get movement into the canbus...sorry if i'm late on this.

The above is what I used to do if in that area and is miles better without the rod in the way.

>05 GT behind the ashtray

05-06 above the clutch pedal

07> behind the CECM Relay bar
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 07:40:21 pm
cheers guys,  :drinking:  i just dont be able to realease the canbus out of its cover  :sad1:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 07:41:20 pm
its an 06 morty up behind the clutch  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 07:42:24 pm
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,47405.msg589543.html#msg589543
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: mortygttdi on November 23, 2012, 07:48:53 pm
The clips holding the canbus in are the type you press together they are just a bit stiff :surprised: keep going at it and it will come out mate don't give up...

Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 07:51:19 pm
The clips holding the canbus in are the type you press together they are just a bit stiff :surprised: keep going at it and it will come out mate don't give up...



I've had a few that were cable tied in

Prise the plastic holder away from the metal dash support with a large screwdriver
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 08:09:06 pm
well guys I DID IT  :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove: :jumpmove:

Cant beleive it, with all your help of course...

Now just to put it back together...

WOW what a job, PITA would not be in it.  If i had to do it again, i dont think it would take as long!

BIG THANKS GUYS!

Whats next!
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: bacillus on November 23, 2012, 08:14:11 pm
 :congrats:  :pomppomp:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 08:55:16 pm
Top Job Neil  :congrats:

The key is.....

Persit,
Pursesit,
Persost,
Pirst,
Peas,

...Oh I give up  :booty:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 09:05:29 pm
I nearly did give up... its easy lol !

thanks guys, now just to start coding...

Any tips!
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 09:08:05 pm
I think I saw a few YouTube video titles mentioning canbus coding  :wink:

Ill have a look  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 09:20:41 pm
Cheers Monte

One thing i didnt do was take a screen shot of the long coding!   :sad1:

But did screen shot the list to be ticked!

Have i messed up here?
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 09:24:10 pm
Don't know if this is any good Neil?

Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 09:26:27 pm
        Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Control Module Part Number: 7N0 907 530 R    HW: 7N0 907 530 H
  Component and/or Version: J533  Gateway H42 1632
           Software Coding: 350000
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
                      VCID: 3F8915B8AE68BEE018F
1 Fault Found:

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            000 -  -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 127927 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 00:28:16

          Address 44: Steering Assist       Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Control Module Part Number: 1K2 909 144 L
  Component and/or Version: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806
           Software Coding:
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00903 210 57712
                      VCID: 356577905C5474B0C23
1 Fault Found:

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            000 -  -

Any Ideas
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: bacillus on November 23, 2012, 10:13:37 pm
Did you tick all the relevent boxes in the installation list?
iirc you have to have a workshop code installed in vcds for the canbus gateway coding to be accepted.
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: BlackGTI on November 23, 2012, 10:32:20 pm
 :congrats:  :pomppomp:
Sorry for late reply. Glad you got it sorted!
 :driver:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 10:33:54 pm
change 350000 to 350001
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 10:41:19 pm
Sorry guys for all the Q's!

A BIG THANKS FOR YOUR HELP   :happy2:

How do i change the code?
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 10:44:38 pm
address 19 > coding > long coding . scroll through the bytes and tick RHD

or just enter the code when in coding
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 10:48:18 pm
 :happy2:

Just waiting on it scanning here!

 :drinking:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 10:53:38 pm
PM'D you there ed  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: bacillus on November 23, 2012, 10:57:55 pm
Like Ed said just change the value from 350000 to 350001 then click Do It.

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Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 23, 2012, 11:20:55 pm
One last code

Friday,23,November,2012,23:19:44:05378
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Data version: 20120807


                Address 44: Steering Assist       Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Control Module Part Number: 1K2 909 144 L
  Component and/or Version: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806
           Software Coding:
            Work Shop Code: WSC 00903 210 57712
                      VCID: 356577905C5474B0C23
1 Fault Found:

00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
            000 -  -
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Eddie-NL on November 23, 2012, 11:23:46 pm
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/00778
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: monte on November 23, 2012, 11:27:08 pm
What a Great Forum  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: damoegan on November 23, 2012, 11:29:04 pm
What a Great Forum  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Couldn't agree more, Carlo  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: scopes on November 24, 2012, 12:14:25 am
I agree even more guys, this forum is great.
What makes it, is the guys on it...

A BIG SHOUT to all who helped me today/tonight... Its been a long one for me, been at it from about 14.30 hrs lol

It couldnt pay ya, to do a job like that, a total learning experence for me... A few times there, i was close to giving up...

Monte give me great support while i was hard at it, Eddie-nl, mortygttdi, Jonny, Ianv5, BlackGTI, damoegan, bacillus...

You guys are legends  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

All codes are now clear bar one... it was there before i started... no lights on dash... :star:
1 Fault Found:
01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500)
            008 - Implausible Signal

Just out of interest what would be charged to do a job like that, just so i can reward myself  :signLOL:

I was going to fit the RNS510 tonight, but i think thats enough for one day   :drinking:

Thanks again lads  :happy2:
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: Lone_Par on November 24, 2012, 07:41:59 am
Fair play lads.
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: marko on February 03, 2013, 01:25:20 am
installed new 7N0 gateway but getting fault for drivers side reverse light and passenger side rear fog....both not working cause neither are fitted..
ticked rhd  already!!
any ideas??
Title: Re: HELP required Please with Canbus change over
Post by: bacillus on February 03, 2013, 09:55:54 am
installed new 7N0 gateway but getting fault for drivers side reverse light and passenger side rear fog....both not working cause neither are fitted..
ticked rhd  already!!
any ideas??

Clear the faults and then rescan. You'll probably find the faults have disappeared as they occur when installing a new gateway.