MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: AaronMc on December 01, 2012, 03:56:00 pm
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Well im in the market for one at the moment after driving one at work the other day. I work for VW as a technician..
I loved driving the DSG one, and had alot of fun with the paddle shifts, however im not sure wether thats the best option or a manual one is?
I have always had manual cars, but do quite fancy an Automatic anyway, its just the cost of repair that puts me off the DSG. Has anyone had major issues with DSG?
Also I read that when remapping the ED30, if its a DSG the gearbox isnt rated enough to take the extra torque from the map, whereas the Manual would be?
If someone could clear it all up for me and offer opinions etc, it would be much appreciated!
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I believe with a remap the dsg box can handle plenty of power... Whereas the manual you'll need an uprated clutch anything over stage 1 if my experiences are anything to go by... Budget 1100 for uprated clutch fitted...
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For you I would get a DSG. If you always had manual at least you will know if you get a DSG and it's also my understanding they are better with the power. Mine's DSG I don't regret it.
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Hmm DSG is what im swaying towards, its the option of still having the paddles I loved, and it makes it feel so sporty to drive.. So the DSG still handles a remap fine? Does it spin up randomly in upper gears though as I read someone had spin in 4th on a motorway..
Can't wait to get my hands on one now though, hoping to get a highish spec one and get a RNS510 installed if it doesnt already have it!
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i have a dsg, and i am definately biased, you should get a dsg... they are sporty and fun to drive like you have said, yet i go through stages of using the gearstick to change rather than the pedals... i always drive mine in manual mode as i am still childish and like to make it pop and bang.... :D
the dsg does handle a remap really well, i have driven both dsg and manual cars of similar bhp and i have to say the dsg just seems to handle the power better.
i have an eddy and it currently on superchips stage 2 and made 293 bhp on rtechs rollers 2 weeks agos, i have found that it does spin up into 3rd if your really booting it, but its all about being smooth with the power. i am also getting a stage 2 dsg remap soon which will also vastly improve the dsg box.
sounds like you have good plans for it, now just to source one. you wont regret it
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The old Manual vs DSG argument has been had many a time on here.
I'd recommend doing a search as this thread will end up going like this:
1) few people saying their thoughts (current stage)
2) someone will slate DSG
3) someone with DSG will retaliate
4) will go on like that for a bit
5) RedRobin will post a picture
And at the end of it all, your non the wiser :grin:
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I have a stage 2 Ed30 DSG currently (316bhp), had the DSG remap done at R-Tech and makes a huge difference, on std dsg gearbox you will be limited to around 290ft/lb of torque due to box limitations, as soon as it's mapped tho it handles MUCH more and holds gears!.
Also drove a manual Ed30 today and liked it also, drive both and you choose :happy2:
I have loved my DSG for the last 14 months and will miss it when it goes :happy2:
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i got a manual.
get a dsg...quicker off the mark
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Brilliant thanks all..
Was just to get a rough idea of what people think of them, as although I work for VW as a tech, its not oftn you are driving ED30,R32's etc.. Its alot of 1.4 DSG or 2.0TDi's etc.. But the chance I did get in one the other day really did put a smile on my face, and that was just driving it sensibly as its a customers vehicle.
Really cant wait to find one, not going to rush though, i want a nice one!
Ideally would love Candy White, but they seem quite hard to find! Looking to spend around £11,000 so hopefully will find a nice one for that..
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I have a DSG. I love it. Mechanically it'll be fine on a high power Eddy, but you might need to remap it to get the full potential. Even at very high Revo prices a DSG remap will be cheaper than changing a manual clutch, which will almost certainly be necessary on a remapped Eddy.
In terms of driving experience, I feel the DSG has all the advantages of a manual with none of the drawbacks. People who prefer manuals will say they feel uninvolved. The only way to find out which camp you're in is to extensively drive them both
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Yeah i'll try and get a drive in a similar model at work if I can, or just road test a sales vehicle..
DSG is very tempting for me, just for the fun factor and for a change really.. Just need to know its been serviced regular, and has the DSG Oil Change etc on time, if not I can do it myself obviously, but would rather its been done on time as it should be..
Now to find one!
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Wonders which picture RR will post lmao...
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5) RedRobin will post a picture
And at the end of it all, your non the wiser :grin:
:grin: :signLOL:
i drove a manual mk4 gold as my first car, moved on to a DSG GTI last year and I'm never turning back to manual. just effortless fun and i do not regret getting DSG one single bit. sports mode is fun as hell and when you want to take control just nock the gearstick sideways and you can control it... kind of.
it still drops you down gears to match road speed and won't let you shift up until you are at an appropriate speed. thats my only dig at DSG.
im 22 years old btw and do lot of town driving, just to give my post a bit of background.
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^ a DSG remap will give you complete control (I'm led to believe) :happy2:
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Yeah i'll try and get a drive in a similar model at work if I can, or just road test a sales vehicle..
DSG is very tempting for me, just for the fun factor and for a change really.. Just need to know its been serviced regular, and has the DSG Oil Change etc on time, if not I can do it myself obviously, but would rather its been done on time as it should be..
Now to find one!
Just brought a Edition 30 dsg and have to say I just love driving it! :smiley:
I was also worried about issues u read about with the dsg box but so long as its well looked after you should have no issues! I'm getting my dsg oil changed soon just for peace of mind.
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Just go drive both and see what you prefer :happy2:
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I've recently bought a DSG edition 30 after much deliberation and years of only manuals. I'm never going Back - love it! :driver:
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The old Manual vs DSG argument has been had many a time on here.
I'd recommend doing a search as this thread will end up going like this:
1) few people saying their thoughts (current stage)
2) someone will slate DSG
3) someone with DSG will retaliate
4) will go on like that for a bit
5) RedRobin will post a picture
And at the end of it all, your non the wiser :grin:
So true! Currently this is how I feel regarding Manual vs DSG: :laugh:
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I think it's fairly accepted some people like manual and some people like dsg. But this thread was about which one is best for the OP and I suggest he would be best suited the DSG.
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I test drove both - a manual Pirelli, and a DSG ED30. I would have been very happy with the manual - gearchange was very direct and sweet, even compared with my old mkiv which had a TT short shifter (always retained some 'notchyness'). Clutch was light, but nice feel (my old mkiv had a Sachs racing clutch to cope with the K04 S3/TT conversion, and it was pretty heavy in traffic...).
The DSG ED30 I stumbled on, in a way. The advert said it was a manual, but when I HPI checked it, it came up as a 'SA' on the report. I liked the sound of the car, so went to look anyway. The gearbox really impressed me - could drive it as a full auto if wanted, and the tiptronic / paddles if wanting to 'drive' the car as a manual.
I bought the ED30 DSG. Personally, I tend to drive my car in the tiptronic / paddle mode all the time. Best of both worlds, IMHO.
Only thing I miss, is skipping a gear on shifting up or down (ie, booting it in 2nd, I might go straight to 4th, & likewise when changing back down the gearbox), and blipping the throttle on downchanges, but the DSG is pretty seemless...
I daren't think about repair costs, but I hope it is largely bulletproof - not sure, but thought DSG is pretty much the same as Porsche PDK systems?
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drove both dsg and manual before buying my ed30, did not like the dsg found the manual more of a drivers car, mine was revo mapped when I bought it, currently running in stock mode due to clutch slip in higher gears, no slip in stock mode, so if you are going to leave your car stock I would go manual, if remapping go for the dsg, or you will defiantly have to upgrade the clutch at some point
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I test drove both types back-to-back this weekend, and honestly, the manual just felt so much better to me. I really wanted to prefer the DSG because I think it's a fabulous bit of kit, but I found it slightly detached, as though I wasn't sure what it was going to do next. I guess that would change with experience (only did a 10 minute test run). I like to feel completely in control of a car, which for me is part of the pleasure of using amazing machines like these, and unfortunately the DSG takes something away from that.
The other thing I didn't like, and this may sound strange, was that the gear changes were just TOO good for my taste. So good, I could barely tell they had happened. I found the lack of obvious feedback odd. Again, I'm guessing this is something you would quickly get used too and your senses would adapt to the subtle gear shift.
Having said all that I can now completely see how people absolutely love the DSG, and many of them would never want to go back. Maybe in a few years, the technology will morph into something that can satisfy the manual drivers and still offer the DSG experience...some kind of drive-by-wire shifter that you could use exactly like a manual (clutch and all), but knock it into auto when you felt like it. I can see something like that in the not-too-distant future (if it doesn't already exist?)...and when that happens - sign me up :-)
My advice: definitely test drive both before buying a GTi!
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Well I found a perfect ED30 this weekend, and also sold my car last week so made the trip to view it.
It was a DSG, and I loved it, so bought it!
So pleased with the way it drives, and personally I love the change of the DSG from my previous manuals, such a nice smooth drive and the paddles are there for a bit of manual fun if you fancy it!
Think both are great, all down to personal preference!
Ideal if you can drive both first though!
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The other thing I didn't like, and this may sound strange, was that the gear changes were just TOO good for my taste. So good, I could barely tell they had happened. I found the lack of obvious feedback odd. Again, I'm guessing this is something you would quickly get used too and your senses would adapt to the subtle gear shift.
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I have to say I agree with this when I first got my DSG ED30. It takes quite a bit of getting used to and as you mentioned, sometimes its hard to 'know/feel' what gear you are in.
A Milltek non-res exhaust sorted that out and to me gave me that 'involved feel' back that you get with a manual :evilgrin:
The increased noise and DSG burp is something that always puts a smile on my face... I never EVER tire from it :laugh:
It really is the best of both worlds- in auto when relaxed and either paddle or manual gear shift when in the mood! It really is 3 for the price of 1!!!
Will never go back :happy2:
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I have a stock KO3 manual and stage 1 edition 30 with TBE...
I can't say I prefer one gearbox over the other tbh, manual is fun to drive & I prefer the "feeling" of having complete control over my gear changes.
DSG is also a brilliant box, so responsive and with paddle extensions really makes u want to work the box through the steering wheel paddles. A TBE will defo let u know what gear u are in and gives off cheeky little pop and farts on up/down shifts
Take a proper drive in both & see which u prefer...
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I went to a DSG Ed30 from a Manual R32.
Great box
Fast changes.
But I like to drive my cars hard, and it was always in the wrong gear when i needed the power.
For a little hot hatch the DSG made the whole experience feel a little detached.
Sold it within 3 months and went back to a manual.
...R32 :happy2: