MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: scottm72 on December 04, 2012, 09:37:28 pm
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was in my mk5 today and I am running 18 inch brand new goodyear eagle f1 asym 2s, brilliant tyre, really pleased with them and only 2 months old - but - in the snow,,, wow,,, useless.
was travelling on a very slight hill going to turn right and was doing about 5-10mph coming to the junction, very light press on brakes and the abs kicked in and I just kept going,,, nearly got hit by a car going along the road, another 10 yards by that lady and it would have been a crash, had my wife and 2 kids in the car as well, 6 and 3 years old.
couldn't believe it, I have ran snow tyres on my old mk4 for years and they are very good, 15 inch on the mk4 and still run them on the wifes car all year round.
could not believe how bad my tyres are in the snow today, also followed the wife to take her car to the garage just after it and she was driving my car very carefully after that scare, she approached a main junction also doing no more than 5mph and the same happened, I seen the car sliding sideways,,, the snow is only just on the ground and is not deep in any way, in fact driving her car with the snow tyres on behind her was the same response in her car to the dry, that's how minor the snow on the ground was.
what is going on,,,, I know going from 15s to 18s makes it slippier in the snow but by that much ?
anyway I need to sort this quick
rather an buying 18inch tyres I am thinking of buying 16 inch wheels with snow tyres on them, just so happens when I dropped the wifes car off the mechanic told me a guy is selling black steel wheels brand new with 2 month old tryes on them as he used them last year in the snow and is now selling his car.
the car he had was a gt tdi and he ran 18s in the summer and these in the winter.
my first question is am I right in thinking if I drop to the 16s they will be better in the snow instead of buying 18 inch snow tyres.
secondly, will these fit on my car ok with the drop in size, especially with my red calipers, my car is stock by the way and has not been lowered etc.
thirdly, the type of tyres he has on them are 205/55/16 vredistein snowtrack 3s,,, is this a decent snow tyre as im used to Michelin snows.
I need to sort this quickly as my wifes car is in the garage and I need my car for school and nursery trips every morning and evening
really concerned about the fitting
thanks guys
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Why not just buy snow socks. I know you get a fair bit more snow up your end but they are a lot cheaper, a lot less hassle swapping over and they work great, :happy2:
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Why not just buy snow socks. I know you get a fair bit more snow up your end but they are a lot cheaper, a lot less hassle swapping over and they work great, :happy2:
to be honest im thinking I would like to protect my 2 month old Monza 2s as I know they really shouldn't be on at this time of year and with my wifes car of the road for electronic problems at least for a few days I am doing maybe 70 miles in one day if it doesn't get fixed soon.
if I get her car back soon im still doing 30 miles a day with a mixture of b roads and normal roads which don't have any snow just now.
I have used snow socks in the past and I found them ok but I want to have a solid fix here but thanks for the thought
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Its the width of the tyre that matters;so the one you mention will be fine to put on if they are the right ones the vridestien tyres are one of the best snow tyres on the market
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205/55/16 is standard Golf size so they are perfect and 16" rims go over standard GTI brakes.
I have Snowsocks too but they're more to get you out of a pickle, rather than for use on roads (or mines are anyway). In my case I used them to get on a very tight driveway with an incline. Never used them since getting M&S tyres.
Get yourself a set of snowtyres and have peace of mind. They'll last you a few winters too.
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I'm running 225/40/18 winters atm, as I just refurbished my old 18's with white worm to use as winter wheels... it's not really been that cold here yet... but I've had a few icy roundabouts to contend with... the difference is night and day.
The easiest way to check your tyre change is to check out: http://www.etyres.co.uk/tyre-size-calculator.htm
As it suggests as long as your in +- 2.5% of the original kit you will be ok.
I noticed on the Tiguan recently that there is a winter tyre setting, where you can change things so your clocks aren't out. Not sure if it's a generic thing in the VAG computer...
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Its the width of the tyre that matters;so the one you mention will be fine to put on if they are the right ones the vridestien tyres are one of the best snow tyres on the market
andy can I ask what you mean if they are the right ones, do you mean if the guy has described the size and tread pattern correctly ?
assuming the tyres size etc is spot on is it definitely ok with the size for my car without any modifications to it, especially I am thinking about the clearance for the large calipers
not thrilled about steel wheels tbh but he says they are black steel wheels and brand new so may look ok actually although my car is black lol
he is asking for £400 for the wheels and tyres, would it just be wheel off and wheel on and job done ?
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I think it's also worth noting, that as far as insurance companies are concerned you will mainly be ok fitting winter tyres AS LONG AS THEY ARE THE SAME speed rating as the original kit.
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Which car are the 16inchers off? Is the PCD / ET all the same?
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I think it's also worth noting, that as far as insurance companies are concerned you will mainly be ok fitting winter tyres AS LONG AS THEY ARE THE SAME speed rating as the original kit.
yes this much I know is correct, snow tyres generally come in a T or something speed rating and are not an issue with regards to the insurance company as it is way above the max speed limit for uk roads anyway, I think I would tell them though just so it is logged
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Its the width of the tyre that matters;so the one you mention will be fine to put on if they are the right ones the vridestien tyres are one of the best snow tyres on the market
andy can I ask what you mean if they are the right ones, do you mean if the guy has described the size and tread pattern correctly ?
assuming the tyres size etc is spot on is it definitely ok with the size for my car without any modifications to it, especially I am thinking about the clearance for the large calipers
not thrilled about steel wheels tbh but he says they are black steel wheels and brand new so may look ok actually although my car is black lol
he is asking for £400 for the wheels and tyres, would it just be wheel off and wheel on and job done ?
As long as they fit your car i should of put :happy2:best with steel rims because you can bent them back if you hit a kerb
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have just got pictures of them sent to me
wheels look pretty cheap, hmm not sure about them,,, I know I cant get monza quality but is this a step down to far for £400
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I know I should be only thinking about safety and not concentrating on the cosmetics of the wheels but I don't think you could get a cheaper looking wheel for my beloved gti
what do you think guys and can anyone elaborate on the worry I have about the 16s fitting as im so desperate for me and my families safety I may have to just go out and buy some on the spot tomorrow wether that is going to somewhere like quik fit and getting 18s onto my monzas or going to pishy Halfords and buying 16 inch wheels and tyres but they wil not be able to answer the question with regards to this size being definatelly ok with my caliper size etc.
can anyone please help on this and also whats your thoughts about 18 inch snow tyres grip in comparison to 16 inch snow tyres grip
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I saw a guy running around in a GTI on 16" black steelies exactly like those yesterday and I thought it looked properly cool actually!
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I think it's also worth noting, that as far as insurance companies are concerned you will mainly be ok fitting winter tyres AS LONG AS THEY ARE THE SAME speed rating as the original kit.
yes this much I know is correct, snow tyres generally come in a T or something speed rating and are not an issue with regards to the insurance company as it is way above the max speed limit for uk roads anyway, I think I would tell them though just so it is logged
AFAIK, it's not about the speed limit of the road, but the OEM tyre speed rating, which I think was V on the GTI. I'm running the Goodyear Ultragrip which is the same rating. 99 times out of a 100 it isn't going to matter, but just thought I'd metnion it.
For ref: I "think" the ET on the GTI is 51 and PCD 112 (worth checking that)
Best to check the clearance by fitting them, spin them up a few times; also note how much pad you have left if it's close. I've seen someone on the Freelander forum fit wheels they thought would be ok and then change the pads 3 months later and find the wheels scrubbing the calipers. :sad1:
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Having run steel wheels on my old car the last few winters, and this year with the ED30 I have fairly tatty A6 alloys, it's more important to me to have control of the car! I live nearly 1000ft up and get my fair share of snow, ice and low temps.
Living where you are you'll have pretty sustained winter weather so to me it is a no brainer to put winter tyres on.
I've just sold a set of OEM 16" steels and they were going a bit ginger - those rims look perfect to me!
Like I said before 205/55/16 is OEM tyre size for 16" they'll easily clear GTI 312mm brakes.
Mytyres sell those tyres for about £80 each - that's not fitted and you'll be lucky if they came this year.
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Are you running standard brakes and how much tread is on them tyres !if you put snow tyres on the monz a and kerb them you will be gutted;try knock him down on the price
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Looks like a fair amount of tread left 5mm+
As reference I paid £100 a tyre for the 225/40/18 Goodyear Ultragrip which was a decent price... so £400 for a set of wheels and tyres is pretty good, especially because you don't have to pay for tyre fitting... as long as they fit ok.. go for it :)
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yeah im not fussed about the speed rating as I know its ok, there must be a lot of people on here that have fitted 16s just hope they pick up this thread tonight
you must admit the wheels look nasty but hard to picture them isn't it
may look sh*t or may actually look cool lol
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Might look pretty cool.. I'm not very good at photo manipulation, but gives you an idea.. haha go for it, and post some pics up.
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Might look pretty cool.. I'm not very good at photo manipulation, but gives you an idea.. haha go for it, and post some pics up.
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hmm I cant decide if that actually looks ok or really bad lol
im also thinking how much money somewhere like Halfords would be for a set of 16 wheels with tyre package, needs to be decent tyres though, not sure what they stock
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I'm running 16" alloys with 205/55/16 continental winter contacts
There is only a few mm of Clarence between the front caliper and the wheels but there are no issues
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Those steelies with so many holes are definitely cool and who cares what they look like anyway when all that's important is you and your family's safety in snow conditions.
Besides, if their look bothered you, you could always paint them silver or even a bright colour.
A friend of mine with a highly modified Mk4 R32 (and who loves snow and snowboarding) has been trying to get that style of steelie but with more width than standard.
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I'm running 16" alloys with 205/55/16 continental winter contacts
There is only a few mm of Clarence between the front caliper and the wheels but there are no issues
thanks for that, first confirmation I have had yet so many thanks
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think r/r is right doesn't matter as long as it makes the car safe :happy2:
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Brake clearance
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thanks guys, in your opinion every inch I drop down from 18 to 16 increases the grip in the snow with the right tyres ?
is that right,
also any ideas if the tyres in the picture are a decent tread pattern ?
he says they where only on last winter for 2 months and only dirty as in the garage
thanks again
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since I need them fitted urgently what kind of quality of tyre would I get in Halfords if I bought a complete set of wheels with tyres as they are always selling them, do they do premium brands in there ?
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A skinner tyre will be better for getting through the snow to get some traction, as it's the same weight over less area.
Overall though, I think the biggest noticable difference is the switch from summer to winter tyres due to teh compound change.
I can't see you pricing a set of 16's with decent winter rubber for less than double what your looking at.
http://www.halfordsautocentres.com/en-gb/Basket/Tyres-Search/
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Get him down to £350, and it's a steel imo (pun intended) :driver:
Or get some 225/40/18 winter tyres :)
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Can you not ask the garage to measure the tread depth for you?
As above make an offer for them
When I was Looking for winters the beat new price I could get for steels and budget winter tyres was £450 for my tyres
If you get them for £350 and they have a decent depth it's a bargain
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my tyres are extra load, cant see a xl symbol on these, does thst matter when it comes to putting snow tyres on ?
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my tyres are extra load, cant see a xl symbol on these, does thst matter when it comes to putting snow tyres on ?
They have a load rating of 91 which should be ok as my eagle f1s have a load rating of 92
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I've always been under the impression that any Tyre fitted whether it be winter/summer/all season etc. had to meet Manufacturers specifications: including dimensions, load index, speed rating etc. for insurance purposes.
I don't think the standard GTI tyre was extra load, so anything above 88 iirc should be fine.
The way I'd look at it, is if there is decent tread on them, 6/7/8mm then your going to be paying at least £100 each for them brand new at this time of year... so even if you don't like the steelies in the future you can always swap them to some alloys, happy in the knowledge that you haven't really paid anything for them.
If they fit, buy 'em, fit 'em and stay safe :)
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With snow tyres you can drop down a speed rating but the loading deck has to be similar
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thanks for all the replies guys big big help
I needed urgent help on this due to nearly crashing yesterday twice and have had 33 replies in 12 hours so great help
will go and buy the tyres in the pics as long as the tread is at least 6mm
looks like there is oil on them from storage but will wash off ok and as said before if I really do not like the wheels then at £400 I can buy alloys later
once again many thanks and just goes to show how usefull these kinds of forums are especially this one
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I would save your money and just leave the snow tyres on the steel rims :happy2:
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I would save your money and just leave the snow tyres on the steel rims :happy2:
yes I will do that just now, prob wont look to bad tbh but it at least gets me safe, someone posted a pic in the first page or so, a mock up with the rims on the car, don't look to bad tbh.
was concerned as the tyres say m&s on them and wasn't sure if they where recommended for mud and snow and so not actually a dedicated snow tyre but I have read a few tyre tests and they seem to be one of the better ones out there
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I would save your money and just leave the snow tyres on the steel rims :happy2:
yes I will do that just now, prob wont look to bad tbh but it at least gets me safe, someone posted a pic in the first page or so, a mock up with the rims on the car, don't look to bad tbh.
was concerned as the tyres say m&s on them and wasn't sure if they where recommended for mud and snow and so not actually a dedicated snow tyre but I have read a few tyre tests and they seem to be one of the better ones out there
They are good snow tyres so will be fine mate
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Did you get them then? Or are you still sliding all over the place...
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Just do what I did. Running the monzas with a new set of winters. Gives me an excuse to get a new set of rims in the spring!
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Did you get them then? Or are you still sliding all over the place...
Hopefully he has - more forecast overnight tonight!
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I had the first F1's on my old mk5 and you are right they were so bad in the snow,absolutely amazing in all other conditions but when we got some bad snow i could barely get it out of the street,it was so embarassing that when it snowed again i left it on the drive.
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got the tyres and wheels fitted this evening,
what a nightmare man,
the guys trolley jack packed in, eventually got it to work then we lost my locking wheel nut key lol
both of us crawling around the snow with torches for 30 minutes, finally found it.
brand new tyres basically and as he said brand new rims although they are steelies but at £400 for the lot it is a good deal
was great guy, very honest, 2 little kids and he then asked me if I was ok with the price at £400, was my opportunity to get it down to £300 poss
tbh it is a good price and I wasn't gonna rip the guy off so I told him £400 was fine, just a nice guy with a 1 year old and a 4 year old so I didn't have the heart lol.
was confused when I took the alloys off as the steelies didn't fit, then seen the red spacer from the back of the alloys where still attached to the wheel, didn't know about them.
anyway the difference is night and day with regards to grip, very happy with them
the steelies look pretty sh*t tbh but I may look for a set of second hand alloys
anyway my wheels need a major wash and wax
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anyway I have grip but have lost my ooh la la
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they need covered in tyre dressing and a wash, will do soon, will make them look a bit better lol
I tell you driving to his house half a mile away I could not go past 10mph with my summers on, absolutely brilliant on the way back though.
the f1s are brilliant until you get a breath of snow, then they should have a safety warning attached to them.
now I need a set of second hand 16 inch alloys, something cheap but looks good
any special fitment I need or is it just any 16 inch wheels
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Told you they were good :happy2:
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Told you they were good :happy2:
yes well happy and can drive my kids to school in safety
phew, panic over
thanks a lot guys, bailed me out there with your advise
what do you think of the wheels lol,,, are they reaaaaaly nasty looking
would love a set of second hand black monzas, but prob way to hard to find, and don't even know if they do 16s in them
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lol check these, bit ott but look weird :driver:
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Glad to hear you got them sorted... don't be too hard on the F1's though, all summer tyres are next to useless in those conditions, the compound just isn't designed for it.
I think if we have another harsh winter then the government has to look at legislating the use of winter tyres - too many accidents, traffic jams caused by the wrong tyres this time of year.
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what do you think of the wheels lol,,, are they reaaaaaly nasty looking
Honestly, I think they look OK. Your satisfaction will come with your cars ability to tackle anything thrown at it. The year I first got snow tyres I was finding hills on purpose just so I could thrown the car up them!
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yeh i still rock the good old Parada spec 2's in the snow! :signLOL:
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cheers guys, yeah my grip is emense now, as you say the government need to do something about this, 2 more people died today in Aberdeen / shire due to crashes, every day front page news
this needs fixed.
im going to look for black monzas I think or something similar,,, something 16inch which looks good, second hand is ok also
if anyone reading this thread does not have snow tyres - GET THEM -, don't be on the front page tomorrow also
drive safe
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yes please, go on tell me the cost then lol
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I ran my mk4 anni with steel rims and winters when needed. It gave great confidence in winter, more importantly it protected my rims, so easy to kerb a rim in the snow!!! :happy2:
Who cares what it looks like, safety counts :happy2:
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I ran my mk4 anni with steel rims and winters when needed. It gave great confidence in winter, more importantly it protected my rims, so easy to kerb a rim in the snow!!! :happy2:
Who cares what it looks like, safety counts :happy2:
totally agree with this,,Save your money Scott for better mods come the summer :happy2:
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I ran my mk4 anni with steel rims and winters when needed. It gave great confidence in winter, more importantly it protected my rims, so easy to kerb a rim in the snow!!! :happy2:
Who cares what it looks like, safety counts :happy2:
of course safety is paramount and is the reason I got the snow tyres / wheels sourced and fitted within 24hrs of slipping.
very happy with them so now that the panic is over I can have a look around for some second hand 16i wheels.
of course look is important although not critical, one of the reasons for buying a gti isn't it :confused:
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I ran my mk4 anni with steel rims and winters when needed. It gave great confidence in winter, more importantly it protected my rims, so easy to kerb a rim in the snow!!! :happy2:
Who cares what it looks like, safety counts :happy2:
of course safety is paramount and is the reason I got the snow tyres / wheels sourced and fitted within 24hrs of slipping.
very happy with them so now that the panic is over I can have a look around for some second hand 16i wheels.
of course look is important although not critical, one of the reasons for buying a gti isn't it :confused:
no one cares when its snowing :signLOL:
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yes please, go on tell me the cost then lol
£389: http://www.wheelbasealloys.com/16_Inch_100_Plus_Monza_RS_Black_Red_Alloy_Wheels__542
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how do I know what my rim width is ?
6j
7j
7.5j
can anyone help on that please
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yes please, go on tell me the cost then lol
£389: http://www.wheelbasealloys.com/16_Inch_100_Plus_Monza_RS_Black_Red_Alloy_Wheels__542
they look pretty damn good, what do you think guys, I know 16s aint gonna look as impressive as 18s but these look pretty cool
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To be honest I'd leave the steelies on. Those Team Dynamics would look OK in 18" but as 16" I just think it looks like you've made an epic fail at changing your wheels.
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To be honest I'd leave the steelies on. Those Team Dynamics would look OK in 18" but as 16" I just think it looks like you've made an epic fail at changing your wheels.
.... x 2 :laugh:
The Golf body is visually quite a solid mass, not a sleeky like a Lambo, and wheels smaller than 17" look aesthetically wrong in my opinion.
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To be honest I'd leave the steelies on. Those Team Dynamics would look OK in 18" but as 16" I just think it looks like you've made an epic fail at changing your wheels.
.... x 2 :laugh:
The Golf body is visually quite a solid mass, not a sleeky like a Lambo, and wheels smaller than 17" look aesthetically wrong in my opinion.
x3... but we're not here to stop you spending your money. That would be wrong of a car forum... spending it wisely, well that's probably ok. :driver:
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Leave the steal wheels in place.
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To be honest I'd leave the steelies on. Those Team Dynamics would look OK in 18" but as 16" I just think it looks like you've made an epic fail at changing your wheels.
that's a good point mr parker, that was my reservations as at 16inch they may as you say just look like an epic fail.
in your guys opinions would any 16i alloy's look good or is it not really going to be possible due to the size of them ?
hey I even thought about hub caps lol
thanks for your advise though as I was 50/50 on buying them wheels last night and im glad I posted the thread instead.
I guess I may have these winters on for up to 5 months depending on the weather and I am so glad my car is safe now for me and the kids especially.
the vredestein tyres on the steel rims are very good and the difference is immense.
I know cosmetically it doesn't really matter as long as the car is safe but due to the duration of them on the car poss im wondering should I keep looking for a 16i option that will look good,
or buy 17s as a wheel tyre package
or lastly buy 18s tyres only and put them back on my monzas ????
don't really want to do the last one I guess as im in the process of cleaning / sealing etc my monzas for storage but just a thought.
I paid £400 all in for these wheels / tyres so good deal and if I was for example going to buy a 17 inch package im sure I would get £400 back if I done it soon.
I agree with 16s just looking wrong and to small for the car but if it was 17s ? do you think it would still look ( wanting )
what about you guys, what have you done for the snow ?
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As I said earlier I fitted winters to my 17 inch monzas as I'm retiring them as winter rims and that gives me the perfect excuse to buy a nice set of rims in the spring.
Sounds like you just want us to convince you to sell the steelies and wheels, buy winters for your monzas then get new rims in 5 months!!!
Obviously got loads of money burning a hole in your pocket mate!! ;-)
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got the tyres and wheels fitted this evening,
what a nightmare man,
the guys trolley jack packed in, eventually got it to work then we lost my locking wheel nut key lol
both of us crawling around the snow with torches for 30 minutes, finally found it.
brand new tyres basically and as he said brand new rims although they are steelies but at £400 for the lot it is a good deal
was great guy, very honest, 2 little kids and he then asked me if I was ok with the price at £400, was my opportunity to get it down to £300 poss
tbh it is a good price and I wasn't gonna rip the guy off so I told him £400 was fine, just a nice guy with a 1 year old and a 4 year old so I didn't have the heart lol.
was confused when I took the alloys off as the steelies didn't fit, then seen the red spacer from the back of the alloys where still attached to the wheel, didn't know about them.
anyway the difference is night and day with regards to grip, very happy with them
the steelies look pretty sh*t tbh but I may look for a set of second hand alloys
anyway my wheels need a major wash and wax
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as you can see
anyway I have grip but have lost my ooh la la
Needs lowered mate!! ;-)
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I think I'm right in saying that if you get 16" wheels you need to make sure the that edge part of the tyre (sorry, not sure of the technical name!) is higher to make the overall size the same as 18" wheel and tyre combined. If not your speedo reading won't be correct because it's calibrated to work with your 18's. Same applies if getting bigger wheels, you need to get thinner tyres to keep the size match.
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I think I'm right in saying that if you get 16" wheels you need to make sure the that edge part of the tyre (sorry, not sure of the technical name!) is higher to make the overall size the same as 18" wheel and tyre combined. If not your speedo reading won't be correct because it's calibrated to work with your 18's. Same applies if getting bigger wheels, you need to get thinner tyres to keep the size match.
that's right but it is only a minor difference in the speed ometor, I checked with vw first,
lone par stop attacking the thread please, if I was just going to sell them and was convinced by this then I would, im trying to get other peoples opinions thats all.
yes the car needs major lowered on the 16s but when the 18s are on it looks ok actually and a lot of speed bumps around here so it may be on my list next year but not sure.
im just trying to find out if any 16 wheels look ok or as Andrew kindly said it may just not work
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Nae bother pal keep yer knickers on.
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Needs lowered mate!! ;-)
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....But if he lowers it he'll have all the problems in snow which mine would get - The front acts as a snow plow and rips out things like sensors underneath.
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It. Was. A. Joke. :-) I may be daft, but I'm not stupid.
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yeah good point red, don't want a snow plough lol
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It. Was. A. Joke. :-) I may be daft, but I'm not stupid.
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:chicken:oops pressed the thank you button by mistake :ashamed:did realise it was a joke thou :signLOL:
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It. Was. A. Joke. :-) I may be daft, but I'm not stupid.
....I wasn't suggesting you were stupid. Perhaps using a :grin: would have made your meaning clearer.
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It. Was. A. Joke. :-) I may be daft, but I'm not stupid.
....I wasn't suggesting you were stupid. Perhaps using a :grin: would have made your meaning clearer.
Alas the option to add smiley icon things is lacking on my phone. :-)
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was confused when I took the alloys off as the steelies didn't fit, then seen the red spacer from the back of the alloys where still attached to the wheel, didn't know about them.
Red spacer? Did your monzas have spigot rings?
If they did then they might be replicas as my monzas don't need a fitting kit they match straight up to the hub
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Yes you can see they are replicas from the earlier photo.
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was confused when I took the alloys off as the steelies didn't fit, then seen the red spacer from the back of the alloys where still attached to the wheel, didn't know about them.
Red spacer? Did your monzas have spigot rings?
If they did then they might be replicas as my monzas don't need a fitting kit they match straight up to the hub
yeah they are reps buddy, not much choice tbh I bought the car 2 months ago and the garage said the original monzas where fooked so instead of refurbing them which would take maybe 2 weeks up here they put reps on.
tbh they are very good quality and the finish is superb, if not I would have them changed already.
out of interest what is the differences you can see in the picture, bearing in mind the wheels are manky in the pic as where only 5 minutes off the car, normally super shiny.
cheers guys
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I've got to say, they look like decent reps. The only obvious difference I can see is that the centre caps look too small...
Perhaps the more eagle-eyed can see something else though.
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I've got to say, they look like decent reps. The only obvious difference I can see is that the centre caps look too small...
Perhaps the more eagle-eyed can see something else though.
thanks for that Andrew, they put the old centre caps off the original monzas back onto these wheels I think as I noticed 2 of them had some bashes after I washed them and I know I didn't do it to them so I don't presume they came with the wheels which are only 2 months old.
I am going to get another set of centre caps and im sure I will find out then if they don't fit.
wish I had kept the caps as they where coded on the back but I through them in the bin yesterday, I think they where real but you never know.
the finish on the alloys are brilliant, the inner grooves are perfectly blended to the dark shade so tbh I don't know the difference myself but someone will.
I have seen some very poor reps on this forum especially the ones that look like they have been sprayed with a can of silver paint from B & Q, mines wont be perfect and they ARE NOT stamped on the back, instead they have a sticker with size etc on it but who sees that.
here is a pic just off the car
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here is a pic cleaned and 3 coats of sealant
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and here is the same pic but at a different angle, you can now see the scratches and remember these wheels are only a few months old, although for the first month they had no sealant on them then the second month only one coat of sealant !!!
is this just the way the monzas go ? or is it because they are reps,,, as you can see you cant actually notice the scratches unless you are at the right angle
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you can see the sprigot things in the second picture
what do you think guys
thanks again :happy2:
ps,,, whilst I am her can I ask with regards to detailing these type of wheels.
I have now bought r222 wheel cleaner from polished bliss, non acidic and expensive
followed by 3 coats of poorboys pink wheel sealant applied with their foam applicator but it says on the box that you should use a polish before the sealing ???
I use a very soft woollen mitt to wash or a very soft brush also from polished bliss for these type off alloys so I know the scratching is definatelly not caused by this.
I currently do not use any kind of polish, should I be ??
the wheels are woollen mitt washed with r222
then power air dried with a filtered warm air machine ( cant remember what its called but it was £200 from polished bliss and allows me to dry the whole car in 30 mins )
then I put 3 coats of the sealant on and still got the scratches sigh.
is it just the problem you get with polished face alloys and should I be using a polish between the wash and sealant ?
cheers guys
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I didn't really notice that they were reps just that you mentioned the red fitting rings.
My monzas are not the polished type they just look like normal alloys
I only run them from oct-dec before the winters go on and the roads are all getting gritted, I have bbs ch's to run other after the winters come off
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I never really looked very close at the wheel,you can tell straight away from the centre caps. If they reused the centre caps from old wheels they may have been reps as well because the genuine centre caps dont usually fit the reps in my experience.
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yes but what is the visual difference on the centre caps then ?
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Have a look at a late model passat or mk5 or mk6 next time you see one,most use the same centre. You will see the difference very clear.
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Never polished or sealed my Monzas when they had their original finish and I never got that kind of scratched look. Maybe just cos yours are reps?
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Never polished or sealed my Monzas when they had their original finish and I never got that kind of scratched look. Maybe just cos yours are reps?
it could very well that they are reps which is causing that, I don't know to be honest, I will keep an eye on them though and if they start getting a lot worse I will look to replace them next year.
I had a look at some other golfs today and I still cant see the diff on the centre caps though
here is a pic just after buying the car and the wheels where brand new, 50 miles on them
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prob a better pic to see any rep characteristics, I love the monzas as they finish the car off but would I buy another set with the whiteworm problems and the fact they are so hard to keep new looking ? I don't know tbh.
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You need some of these :wink:
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You need some of these :wink:
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they look darker ? or is it just the picture angle ?
do you get any kind of scratching on them like the pic I posted ?
im guessing yours are oem
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They're satin black with a polished rim, OEM wheels called Detroits that were standard on European Edition 30s.
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Never polished or sealed my Monzas when they had their original finish and I never got that kind of scratched look. Maybe just cos yours are reps?
it could very well that they are reps which is causing that, I don't know to be honest, I will keep an eye on them though and if they start getting a lot worse I will look to replace them next year.
I had a look at some other golfs today and I still cant see the diff on the centre caps though
here is a pic just after buying the car and the wheels where brand new, 50 miles on them
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prob a better pic to see any rep characteristics, I love the monzas as they finish the car off but would I buy another set with the whiteworm problems and the fact they are so hard to keep new looking ? I don't know tbh.
Hard to see from that distance, but the centre cap looks a bit smaller maybe?
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Does anyone have any links to new steels with winter tyres.... Thanks in advance.
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Does anyone have any links to new steels with winter tyres.... Thanks in advance.
You can buy them fitted and balanced from mytyres.co.uk
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yeah they do look small in that pic, but when you look at this pic they look larger
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I actually cant see any other difference, im trying but I cant see it,,,,,
maybe I would have to see in person both cars tbh,,,,, you see it is really hard to tell.
it could be identical but just comes down to the way the wheels last, do you get the scratches I get ???
in one pic you cant see them, in another you can,,,,, maybe in a years time they will look really bad,,,,, maybe that's the big difference.
only thing I can think of that would cause that would be a softer metal,,,, I mean they are both diamond cut aren't they,,,,,,, if mine are way softer I guess it would make sense they would scratch a lot easier !!!!!!!
am I making sense here lol as im trying to figure it out.
if this is the case I may have to decide if im going to put them back on the car after the winter on the understanding that another 6 months or so on the road will make them look really bad and worth next to nothing !
maybe id be better selling them whilst still in good nick and putting the cash towards either a oem set or something other than moz=nzas hmmm
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You need some of these :wink:
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they look darker ? or is it just the picture angle ?
do you get any kind of scratching on them like the pic I posted ?
im guessing yours are oem
get some vw valve caps on there :happy2:
how old are these and any scratches like mine yet ?
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They're quite old to be honest, perhaps 3 years now. They're totally scratch free, but a total pain to keep clean. I have some 17" Monzas for the winter months. This photo shows them off a bit better...
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Anyway, I fear we may be digressing!
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They're quite old to be honest, perhaps 3 years now. They're totally scratch free, but a total pain to keep clean. I have some 17" Monzas for the winter months. This photo shows them off a bit better...
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Anyway, I fear we may be digressing!
what a difference an angle makes, this pic shows the real colour, they look very nice indeed.
I still think black wheels somehow makes the car sort of loose its shape a bit, I don't know why but the sort of continuous black makes it look so different.
scratch free after3 years - wow, you would think because they are black they would be easy to keep but as you say maybe not.
im going to do a bit of research into the reps I have over the next month or so, if the conclusion is the reps scratch / fade really quickly I may sell them,, will have to look into it though
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my centre wheel cap space is 60mm, does that help, what is standard 18inch oem Monza size ?