MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: ArildStavrum on December 10, 2012, 04:37:33 pm
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I am currently running Hankook V12 ventus tyres all round, any hint of moisture or dampness on the road (never mind pouring rain) and my ESP kicks in when accelerating energetically in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear. The cornering grip seems pretty good, its just accelerating in the wet that does my head in, in the dry its a completely different story.
The dilemma is i'm heading back to SW Scotland for xmas (800 mile round trip) from SW London in a couple of weeks and know its going to be extremely cold and wet (as it usually is at xmas). I'm wondering if a good set of winter tyres (pirelli sottozero's) will really make that much of a difference?!
The idea would be to replace my existing tyres with the winters directly onto my monza 2's and store my hankooks until April.
Do i want to spend a big chunk of cash on winter tyres plus the cost of fitting if the different wont be noticeable.
bit about my gti:
Revo Stg 1 (B:5 T:5 F:9)
Superpro ALK
H&R Springs
Carbonio Intake
I dont do alot of miles (4k last year) and only use the car for a bit of commuting at weekends and using it for safe fun out and about South of London.
I'm in 2 minds!
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Is this a trick question?
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Buy them.
They should last a few years as well if they are only on your car for 4-5 months or so.
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Is this a trick question?
My brain isn't seeing any trick question here, although it's a bit fried after a long day at work.
OP-You'll certainly notice a drop in fuel consumption if you fit those Pirelli's for an 800 mile trip.
Personally I wouldn't bother - you're going to SW Scotland, not Alaska.
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Personally I wouldn't bother - you're going to SW Scotland, not Alaska.
:popcornsoda:
Are you joking? I personally think winter tyres should become law in the UK. Theres a reason the UK grinds to a halt with the slightest dusting, while mainland Europe and Finland/Denmark etc carry on as normal with minimal delays yet suffer much greater snow fall.
Winter tyres, pure and simple are worth every bit of the cost. 99% of the people who appose winter tyres haven't tried them and felt the benefits.
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Is this a trick question?
My brain isn't seeing any trick question here, although it's a bit fried after a long day at work.
OK, perhaps not a trick question, but it sounds like the OP is asking us to confirm the obvious.
If you're losing traction in normal damp weather then you'll almost certainly notice a huge difference fitting winter tyres when the temperature is below zero and the roads are wet. Throw in some snow and your purchase is instantly justified. See them as an investment. In temperatures below 6ºC your normal rubber will degrade a lot faster, so having a pair of winter tyres in rotation will make them last longer, and you'll have added safety and grip during the winter months.
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Personally I wouldn't bother - you're going to SW Scotland, not Alaska.
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Are you joking? I personally think winter tyres should become law in the UK. Theres a reason the UK grinds to a halt with the slightest dusting, while mainland Europe and Finland/Denmark etc carry on as normal with minimal delays yet suffer much greater snow fall.
Winter tyres, pure and simple are worth every bit of the cost. 99% of the people who appose winter tyres haven't tried them and felt the benefits.
Completely, 100% agree.
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so having a pair of winter tyres in rotation will make them last longer, and you'll have added safety and grip during the winter months.
or alternatively, you could risk potentially crashing the car or knocking over someone..... Not worth the risk IMO. And if you were to prang it your insurance will go up as well, so in the long run you could be much worse off.
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I've tried loads of different winter tyres now, currently have Pirelli scorpion snow and ice on my X5 which are great in both wet and dry.
Best I've used to date are Nokian WRG3, simply leagues ahead of things like the Yokohama winter tyres I recently had the displeasure of using.
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I run Michelin PS3 until November, then switch to Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme, generally until early March. You will have much better performance in ambient temperatures of 7C or less on winter rubber. The compounds stay softer allowing grip to be maintained. 'Summer' tyres rubber becomes very stiff below 7C & can't perform as well. Braking distances are significantly reduced in all road surface conditions on winter tyres in the correct temperature range.
Although you shell out for winter tyres, you can only run one set at a time, so both your summer & winter tyres last twice as long. My Wintrac Xtreme tyres are just starting their third winter having done 9k miles so far and they are still 5-6mm all round.
If the weather is poor (and lets be honest, with the forecast getting chilly) in Scotland, not exactly a rare event, you'll be glad you stuck winter hoops on. Plus pulling cheerfully away from a guy digging his 4x4 out of a foot of snow in a supermarket car park & watching the look on his face as you do so is priceless :grin:
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With the new performance labels now mandatory on all new tyres one thing that has confused me about winter tyres is why some are only E rated for wet weather while many summer tyres are A rated. I would have thought that with the deeper tread on winter tyres they would also be A rated.
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/dunlop/winter-sport-4d/225/40/R18/V/92/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3fversion%3d2.0%26width%3d225%26profile%3d40%26rim%3d18%26speed%3d&tyre=29196176
http://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/goodyear/eagle-f1-asymmetric-2/225/40/R18/Y/92/f?returnurl=%2forder%2ftyres%3fversion%3d2.0%26width%3d225%26profile%3d40%26rim%3d18%26speed%3d&tyre=27383450
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Ive found that a good summer tyres are better in the wet than winters, but only when its still mild conditions. If it was just rain we had to deal with id be content to leave summers on.
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Ive found that a good summer tyres are better in the wet than winters, but only when its still mild conditions. If it was just rain we had to deal with id be content to leave summers on.
I agree... my Goodyear Eagle F1 AS2's are better in the wet than the Goodyear Ultragrip I have on at the moment... I think I'm going to put the Eagles back on the fronts until it snows, as I seem to be chewing through them a bit quick.
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i have been fitting a lot of snow tyres the last 2 weeks.They do make a difference
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Have you considered buying a set of winter tyres and wheels off eBay or Gumtree? just purchased a set of wheels and Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme from Gumtree and have been so impressed by the grip even in the wet conditions, we had a little snow in Edinburgh last week and even the little lady noticed a difference driving the ED30 on the snow.
I was a bit suspect of the winter tyre thing but my mate and his constant raving about how good winter tyres are made me buy a second hand set and have been happy with the performance.
Would Highly recommend the Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme about £120 a tyre i think
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Have you considered buying a set of winter tyres and wheels off eBay or Gumtree? just purchased a set of wheels and Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme from Gumtree and have been so impressed by the grip even in the wet conditions, we had a little snow in Edinburgh last week and even the little lady noticed a difference driving the ED30 on the snow.
I was a bit suspect of the winter tyre thing but my mate and his constant raving about how good winter tyres are made me buy a second hand set and have been happy with the performance.
Would Highly recommend the Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme about £120 a tyre i think
I've got the Vreds fitted too and am based in Aberdeenshire where we had a reasonable amount of snow last week. I'm in the sticks as well so the temp doesn't increase like it does in town so that snow is now ice in my street and the Vreds have been great. They are however not so great when the temp gets above 10 degs.
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I ran winter tyres all year round on my Beemer and they were spot on, and the wear rate was really good too :happy2:
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I was a bit suspect of the winter tyre thing but my mate and his constant raving about how good winter tyres are made me buy a second hand set and have been happy with the performance.
The first time i ever bought some i was in Germany and was repeatedly getting stuck, it was pretty bad though, so much so that i received a 60euro on the spot fine for holding up traffic which made the decision for me. That afternoon i struggled to a tyre garage, got some vredesteins fitted tax free :smiley: and drove back to my house as if there wasnt any snow on the ground at all.
Wouldnt dream of driving to Scotland without winter tyres on in winter. Hence why i just bought a set of the nankang SV-2s for my car as i neded some new winter tyres
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the nankang tyres are supposed to be very good in the snow
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So do you guys just get your local tyre garage to rotate the winter/summer tyres each time, if so how much do they normally charge for this service assuming you've already gone through the first cycle of buying and fitting the new tyres?
And is there any tips on storing the other set i.e is stacked up in your shed over winter ok?
As you can probably tell, I've never had winter tyres but have had the displeasure of getting stuck numerous times in my DSG Eddie in the dreaded White stuff!!
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So do you guys just get your local tyre garage to rotate the winter/summer tyres each time, if so how much do they normally charge for this service assuming you've already gone through the first cycle of buying and fitting the new tyres?
And is there any tips on storing the other set i.e is stacked up in your shed over winter ok?
As you can probably tell, I've never had winter tyres but have had the displeasure of getting stuck numerous times in my DSG Eddie in the dreaded White stuff!!
Cheers folks, it wasn't a trick question but I reckon i will be getting myself some winters now!!
I was about to ask the same question as above, once my 'summer' tyres are off is it ok to store them in my garden shed?
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So do you guys just get your local tyre garage to rotate the winter/summer tyres each time, if so how much do they normally charge for this service assuming you've already gone through the first cycle of buying and fitting the new tyres?
And is there any tips on storing the other set i.e is stacked up in your shed over winter ok?
As you can probably tell, I've never had winter tyres but have had the displeasure of getting stuck numerous times in my DSG Eddie in the dreaded White stuff!!
we charge £13 a wheel which includes a new valve and balance
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I ran a set of lassa snoways on my mk4 anni, bought them as part worns with 7mm and some 16" steelies, total £258, ran them for 2 winters, sold them with my anni last year for an extra £200. Well worth the money.
Just collected 2 hankook icebears for the ED30, hoping to get hold of two more winter tyres shortly.
The difference is night and day, not only the traction of the mark, but its the braking that is often forgotten about, so much more confidence inspiring. Just hope anyone behind is leaving plenty of space.
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i have been fitting a lot of snow tyres the last 2 weeks.They do make a difference
Do you have people fitting 2 or 4 winter tyres?
Lots of people i have spoken with have said its fine with just the pair on the front, but the rear end will be like a pendulum if it looses traction.
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i have been fitting a lot of snow tyres the last 2 weeks.They do make a difference
Do you have people fitting 2 or 4 winter tyres?
Lots of people i have spoken with have said its fine with just the pair on the front, but the rear end will be like a pendulum if it looses traction.
normally just the 2 tyres customers ask to get fittted--not had any body in as yet that have lost the back end in the snow
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I ran a set of lassa snoways on my mk4 anni, bought them as part worns with 7mm and some 16" steelies, total £258, ran them for 2 winters, sold them with my anni last year for an extra £200. Well worth the money.
Just collected 2 hankook icebears for the ED30, hoping to get hold of two more winter tyres shortly.
The difference is night and day, not only the traction of the mark, but its the braking that is often forgotten about, so much more confidence inspiring. Just hope anyone behind is leaving plenty of space.
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Totally agree, the difference in the grip on braking in the snow is like night and day, fitted my winters to the old Bora this weekend and they will be on till march. If you have the room to store them, best way is to get a second set of wheels then there is no issue with swapping tyres etc
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Question is, is it worth putting them on before it snows/icy? imho, Naa. The F1 AS2's are going back on the front tomoz, leave the winters on the rear (I changed all 4)
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Put them on now! Bit late if its snowing fella as you'll be sideways down the road if your moving at all. :happy2:
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think people for get they are not just snow tyres as they are made to handle better in lower temps than a summer tyre can
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i have been fitting a lot of snow tyres the last 2 weeks.They do make a difference
Do you have people fitting 2 or 4 winter tyres?
Lots of people i have spoken with have said its fine with just the pair on the front, but the rear end will be like a pendulum if it looses traction.
normally just the 2 tyres customers ask to get fittted--not had any body in as yet that have lost the back end in the snow
My only question regarding this would be the insurance implications. Say if you were to only have winter tyres on the front and not the rear, if you had a prang I would say the insurance company would be less lilely to pay out.
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...........I changed all 4
It's wise to change all four. This video demonstrates the point quite clearly!
IMO Adding winter tyres to one axle has no real benefit and can be dangerous as one axle will grip better in a given corner.
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think people for get they are not just snow tyres as they are made to handle better in lower temps than a summer tyre can
they just don't though... ive heard all the below 7*C thing, but the AS2's walk over these Ultragrips in the wet at a similar temp. agin imo. i may keep the winters in the boot and remove the space saver.
if i was on the way to scotland however, it would be winters on all 4 corners no questions.
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...........I changed all 4
It's wise to change all four. This video demonstrates the point quite clearly!
IMO Adding winter tyres to one axle has no real benefit and can be dangerous as one axle will grip better in a given corner.
Not hugely relevant to us in FWD cars if we were to have winters on the front only. Ive had cars with both setups in the past. obviously all 4 is better, no one will dispute that, but i never had any issues with just the fronts on either.
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Most peeps fit winters to the front, because it helps traction up hill... which it does... but that's about it.
On our car which axle does the LARGEST share of braking. front or rear?......
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Most peeps fit winters to the front, because it helps traction up hill... which it does... but that's about it.
On our car which axle does the LARGEST share of braking. front or rear?......
Yeap, but then this happens:
50secs:
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Not hugely relevant to us in FWD cars if we were to have winters on the front only. Ive had cars with both setups in the past. obviously all 4 is better, no one will dispute that, but i never had any issues with just the fronts on either.
OK maybe you should watch this video then which IMO is relevant to FWD cars.
Just my opinion.......not looking to try or care to change yours :smiley:
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Yeap, however if your lacking grip on the rear your not going to be braking straight, the front will overtake the rear...
I'm talking about snowy conditions here...
if you have no grip on the front which is doing the lions share of the your going to lock up and plow on anyway, so who cares in that situation, your going to crash anyway...... plus if your you wouldnt have the front end grip to make steering changes to avoid an accident.
IMO there are so many more reasons to go for the front axle over the rear. I never experienced loosing the rear end in snow in the 9 years i was in germany, and i used winters on the front axle only for 2 winters there.
@ bodger, completely agree, winters all round are unquestionably better. But consider you wouldnt go around a bend thats covered in snow at that speed, and we have many many more traction and stability control systems than those cars. Maybe thats why ive never had that issue.
That said this is talking from my experiences in my own cars, not from watching youtube videos. :wink: We all have our opinions.
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think people for get they are not just snow tyres as they are made to handle better in lower temps than a summer tyre can
up to you how when you put your winter tyres but every body's car i have fitted tyres to in the winter months feel safer with them on and handles better
they just don't though... ive heard all the below 7*C thing, but the AS2's walk over these Ultragrips in the wet at a similar temp. agin imo. i may keep the winters in the boot and remove the space saver.
if i was on the way to scotland however, it would be winters on all 4 corners no questions.
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Yeap, however if your lacking grip on the rear your not going to be braking straight, the front will overtake the rear...
I'm talking about snowy conditions here...
9 years i was in germany, and i used winters on the front axle only for 2 winters there.
I'm really surprised it's not a legal requirement to fit winter tyres to both axles over there. :confused:
I bought all 4, so not a problem.
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I'm really surprised it's not a legal requirement to fit winter tyres to both axles over there. :confused:
I bought all 4, so not a problem.
It wasnt law for the Brit forces living there. But for German nationals it was law. Just as i left germnay in 2009 they brought in a law to make the brits based there use winters because as is the norm, given the option the majority of people dont bother because it costs money they dont want to spend.
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It never used to be law in Germany but if you was in an accident in winter with summer tyres you basically got blamed for it. It makes sense it's now law, the same most European countries, why we don't do it I never know.
I've never ran winters on any car but I've had works vans so my car never really gets used but as soon as I need my car in winter it's being treated to some.
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why we don't do it I never know.
The Gulf Stream. We just don't have such cold winters, in general, as they do in mainland Europe.
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OP-You'll certainly notice a drop in fuel consumption if you fit those Pirelli's for an 800 mile trip.
Curiously, I seem to be get better MPG with my winters fitted than my normal tyres when driven similarly, for example the tedious meander to work.
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Personally I wouldn't bother - you're going to SW Scotland, not Alaska.
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Are you joking? I personally think winter tyres should become law in the UK. Theres a reason the UK grinds to a halt with the slightest dusting, while mainland Europe and Finland/Denmark etc carry on as normal with minimal delays yet suffer much greater snow fall.
Winter tyres, pure and simple are worth every bit of the cost. 99% of the people who appose winter tyres haven't tried them and felt the benefits.
I'm all over that.....as long as the government are going to pay for them........for both our cars. :wink:
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I dont think anyone that has had winters fitted has had a bad thing to say about them.... that says enough in itself.
Speaking from experience I have fitted just 2 winters to the front previously. This was on my mothers clio which I borrowed when we had a good 4" of snow. The clio was great and dare I say almost unstoppable..... however going round a long sweeping bend the back end lost traction. This spun me round 180o and parked me parallel to a bench on the other side of the road.
Thankfully there were no cars coming the other way as the weather was so bad. 99% of the time they will be fine, but my advice would be if you are only fitting 2 to the front, be careful....... very careful as there is no comeback from snap oversteer. :ashamed:
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Personally I wouldn't bother - you're going to SW Scotland, not Alaska.
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Are you joking? I personally think winter tyres should become law in the UK. Theres a reason the UK grinds to a halt with the slightest dusting, while mainland Europe and Finland/Denmark etc carry on as normal with minimal delays yet suffer much greater snow fall.
Winter tyres, pure and simple are worth every bit of the cost. 99% of the people who appose winter tyres haven't tried them and felt the benefits.
i agree with sy, i have noticed such a difference since fitting them on 1st dec, awesome traction even in sub zero conditions :happy2:
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Ok so winters are definitely the way to go then!
per my question earlier....is storing my summer tyres in my garden shed ok?
any tips for storage would be much appreciated!
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Ok so winters are definitely the way to go then!
per my question earlier....is storing my summer tyres in my garden shed ok?
any tips for storage would be much appreciated!
I store my summer wheels in my cellar. They are on rims though. I can't see why storing them in the shed would be a problem.
It is massively beneficial having two sets of wheels. Last April it had been warm and dry for a couple of weeks, so I switched to my summer wheels. A few days later it unexpectedly put 6 inches of snow down so I quickly swapped them over. You can't really do that if you're relying on a tyre fitter to change them over.
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Ok so winters are definitely the way to go then!
per my question earlier....is storing my summer tyres in my garden shed ok?
any tips for storage would be much appreciated!
I store my winter/summer tyres in the garage, flat and covered, when not in use - like Andrew, I have them fitted to another set of wheels & swap them when I like or the weather dictates.
I generally put the winter tyres on both our cars when the clocks go back & take them off when the clocks go forward in the spring - but having them at hand means you can be flexible
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guys I have read a few comments on this thread but don't need to read any more
I worked for Michelin for 5 years
I ran tyre depots for 4 years
the following comment is factual AND NOT just my opinion although I 100% agree
regardless of fitting summer tyres, winter tyres you put your strongest grip tyres on the REAR,,, always
regardless of fwd, rwd or awd
reason for this,,, you need your strongest grip on the rear because if you loose control of the car, or the car slides in snow etc that's where the grip needs to be.
this also applies if you have a blow out.
this information is recognised by ALL the top tyre manufacturers,,, and not just Michelin.
anyone who fits their best grip to the front and says things like ( oh it helps pull me up the hills ) is only guessing and has no product knowledge other than their own.
if you check my information by telephoning every top tyre company and assuming you speak to someone who actually is qualified in answering this question, they will all tell you this is correct.
please drive safely
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Proper icy this morning -2*C... the winters were absolutely f**in fantastic, like driving in the dry... people sliding all over the show... simply brilliant, get some!
FYI: Mine are 225/40/18 Goodyear Ultragrip
I reckon the winter tyres start making sense around 4*C.
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Add to the positive comments for winter hoops.
Although Newcastle is not in the Artic Circle (well today it's not that warm..) I wouldn't be without them on either car.
When 'er indoors was expecting in 2010 decided to source a spare set of Pescaras and get winter tyres so we ran her GT TDi on winters and that winter was pretty snowy for a few weeks. Last winter her Golf had changed into an A4 Avant, so we bought higher load/wider tyres for her car and I used the Pescara/Conti winter set up on mine.
A mild winter followed. Both sets are Conti WinterContact TS830P.
Now into winter '12, recent coldness, I was only thinking the other morning that they were providing sursprising traction on my St2+ Ed30, in cold and damp conditions it was surprising how many 'beans' were being deployed cleanly.
In terms of storage, there's a bit on the Continental site for storing.
They suggest hanging the wheels in bags. I've not got room to do that, so mine are bagged in the VW wheel bags (from dealer), pressures down to 1.0 Bar (what's that 15psi or so?) And stacked up. Heard it's best to keep them out of the light to try and stop ageing while stored.
As someone mentioned on here, only those who have not experienced winter tyres, don't rate them, those that have praise them.
I always think that summer tyres are a bit like wearing leather soled shoes, you can go along an icey pavement in them but chunky trainers would make walking a lot easier. Just my thoughts..
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Add to the positive comments for winter hoops.
Although Newcastle is not in the Artic Circle (well today it's not that warm..) I wouldn't be without them on either car.
When 'er indoors was expecting in 2010 decided to source a spare set of Pescaras and get winter tyres so we ran her GT TDi on winters and that winter was pretty snowy for a few weeks. Last winter her Golf had changed into an A4 Avant, so we bought higher load/wider tyres for her car and I used the Pescara/Conti winter set up on mine.
A mild winter followed. Both sets are Conti WinterContact TS830P.
Now into winter '12, recent coldness, I was only thinking the other morning that they were providing sursprising traction on my St2+ Ed30, in cold and damp conditions it was surprising how many 'beans' were being deployed cleanly.
In terms of storage, there's a bit on the Continental site for storing.
They suggest hanging the wheels in bags. I've not got room to do that, so mine are bagged in the VW wheel bags (from dealer), pressures down to 1.0 Bar (what's that 15psi or so?) And stacked up. Heard it's best to keep them out of the light to try and stop ageing while stored.
As someone mentioned on here, only those who have not experienced winter tyres, don't rate them, those that have praise them.
I always think that summer tyres are a bit like wearing leather soled shoes, you can go along an icey pavement in them but chunky trainers would make walking a lot easier. Just my thoughts..
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Another thing... My summer hankooks and rated B for wet grip yet the winter tyres I'm thinking of buying are rated C. According to the scale that means my summer tyres stop better in the wet than the winter tyres!?
Im baffled.
Vredestain wintrac's are even worse at wet grip rating E.
All from Camskills website.
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Another thing... My summer hankooks and rated B for wet grip yet the winter tyres I'm thinking of buying are rated C. According to the scale that means my summer tyres stop better in the wet than the winter tyres!?
Im baffled.
Vredestain wintrac's are even worse at wet grip rating E.
All from Camskills website.
summer tyres will stop better on the wet if they are a good brand, reason for this is they are designed for over 7 degrees and when above that temperature the rubber compound adheres to the road the way they where designed to, so they will out perform winter tyres every time.
another reason is the tread pattern, summer tyres have better water dispersal grooves apposed to winters, winter tyres are not designed for speed and not designed for maximum water dispersal with more thought put into grip in the snow.
I run winter tyres all year round on my wifes car, Michelins, they are as good as summers nearly but they produce more road feedback noise until you reach 80mph.
all you need to remember is winters are soft, smaller chunks of rubber so they flex a lot better in cold conditions, summers have large rubber areas and stiffen up in cold conditions but come to life above 7 degrees.
when you are sliding about on icy roads with summer tyres it is because the rubber is very stiff and cannot grip.
whatever you do, do not buy cheap budget winter tyres, would be pointless, I am running Michelins on my wifes and have done for 3 years ( continuously that is ) and they are very very good on a 15 inch wheel.
on my mk5 I have just put on vredisteins and they seem just as good, they are 16 inch.
when a snow tyre gets below 4mm they are next to useless also so remember this,,, when they breach 4mm chuck them out ( you loose 50-60% of their grip then )
also remember that as you go up in tyre width the snow tyres become less effective, more rubber touching the road is a bad thing when it comes to snow tyres, so a 15 inch tyre will out perform a 18 inch tyre, this is the reason I have put 16s on instead of just buying 18s for my summer rims,,,,,,, the smaller the tyre width the the easier it is to CUT through the snow,,,,, instead of trying to flat pack grip it with a wide tyre.
all these points are factual
safe driving :happy2:
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You don't half love your commas Scott!
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You don't half love your commas Scott!
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yeah I type very basically I know, bad habit, I tend to just keep going without a pause so I invented commas lol
was worse before, I didn't used to use full stops - at all,,, period,,, just kept going,,,, bad bad habit from school.
just as well my PhD is not in anything to do with English I tell you or I would be working in McDonalds
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Haha, every time I read one of your posts from now on I am going to find it impossible not to imagine you gasping for breath every time you use your commas :grin:
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Cheers Scott, much appreciated.
I'm predominantly buying winters for the cold, wet and icey conditions not snow.
I also can't afford decent winter tyres and wheels so I was just going to buy tyres and replace the existing summer tyres on my monza 2's.
Thanks again, you clearly know your tyres!
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Cheers Scott, much appreciated.
I'm predominantly buying winters for the cold, wet and icey conditions not snow.
I also can't afford decent winter tyres and wheels so I was just going to buy tyres and replace the existing summer tyres on my monza 2's.
Thanks again, you clearly know your tyres!
no problem buddy, just don't buy a budget brand, good luck to you and let us know what you bought :happy2:
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Cheers Scott, much appreciated.
I'm predominantly buying winters for the cold, wet and icey conditions not snow.
I also can't afford decent winter tyres and wheels so I was just going to buy tyres and replace the existing summer tyres on my monza 2's.
Thanks again, you clearly know your tyres!
forgot to say, I bought my winters and wheels all brand new apart from being on another golf for 1 month last year for £400, just steel 16 inch wheels and look crap but I paid the money for the rubber, you may find something if you look about :happy2:
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I bought Nankangs - they're a budget brand, and they've been great. Into my third year with them now and they've been flawless. I figure even a budget winter tyre is going to be better than the best premium summer tyre in very cold conditions.
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Thing is about "cutting through the snow" argument is, how much cutting are your soft rubbery tyres going to be doing at any width?
The rally argument... "but the rally drivers use narrow tyres in the snow"... yes, they do... coupled WITH MASSIVE F'in studs//spikes to actually cut through the ice proper to the grip beneath.
Overall, I very much doubt your going to notice on a road car the difference between winter wides and winter skinny tyres - I think the biggest noticeable difference is simply in the change of compound... from summer to winter.
I wish the weather would make up its mind and stay cold so that I can benefit from the Winter tyres, I don't need all the double digit sh*t we're set to have next week... where's the fun in that. :evilgrin:
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Haha, every time I read one of your posts from now on I am going to find it impossible not to imagine you gasping for breath every time you use your commas :grin:
the trouble is I very rarely sit in the normal typing position, I usually have the laptop on a little table whilst I slop on the couch watching tv at night time, lights out and only light is from the tv so finding things like commas etc means actually sticking my head up of the couch lol.
I DID get a lit up keyboard when I bought my laptop a month ago and it helps a lot ((((((((( but on the other hand it means I can slouch back even more and type with my eyes almost level with the keypad ))))))))))
trying to find commas, brackets etc is not an option then.
bad I know