MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Poppa Dom on June 30, 2009, 12:17:54 am
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OK guys, not sure how many of you have the heads up on this - have just checked JKM's website and they are now an offical APR dealer, done a quick search and I don't think it has been reported on here yet.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/aprproducts.htm (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/aprproducts.htm)
Dom
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Good news! They were telling me a few months ago how impressed they were with the new raft of APR products!
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Are they dropping revo then ?
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Nope, dont think so.
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Nope, dont think so.
Can't see any reference to Revo on their site now. :confused:
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Nope, dont think so.
Can't see any reference to Revo on their site now. :confused:
As far as I am aware they're still Revo dealers - all the Revo stuff is still on the website http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/shop.htm (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/shop.htm) they have just changed the banner.
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
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Hi guys,
Just a really quick update to let you all know that we are continuing to sell REVO alongside APR and Superchips.
We have been impressed with the quality of APR Hardware products, and saw no reason to not offer their software upgrades alongside the others that we currently provide.
This situation provides more choice for you guys really, though we are offering Free Power runs with full APR software whilst we initially gather performance data. If anyone has any questions please let us know.
All the best.
JKM
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
You obviously don't know the story on the formation of Revo when the software writers for Revo were in fact working with APR when they jumped ship on the birth of Revo.
A major lawsuit ensued by APR which I won't go into detail however their software is very similar the main differences are that APR can use cruise to facilitate programme changes.
APR's R and D is synomunous throughout the tuning world.
I for one have had alot of dealings with APR....my MKIV prior to Stage 3+ was the first to be mapped on APR stage 2. I was at Awesome until midnight with 8 different overlay maps , done on the wire with their engine mapper in Auburn until they perfected the result. He incidently was a F1 engine mapper for Honda. They know their stuff !
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Did that lawsuit ever go anywhere, or was it all just talk?
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
because every RR result ive seen revo has been ontop, every 1/4 event ive been to...revo on top, from my own view, id have Revo over APR any day.
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
because every RR result ive seen revo has been ontop, every 1/4 event ive been to...revo on top, from my own view, id have Revo over APR any day.
What results where?....Perhaps you'd like to post them ....they're not on Awesome's RR page....as for sprinting it's the skill of power deployment not I've got 5-10 bhp more than you!
Motorsport and Trackdays sorts the men out from the boys!
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
because every RR result ive seen revo has been ontop, every 1/4 event ive been to...revo on top, from my own view, id have Revo over APR any day.
What results where?....Perhaps you'd like to post them ....they're not on Awesome's RR page....as for sprinting it's the skill of power deployment not I've got 5-10 bhp more than you!
Motorsport and Trackdays sorts the men out from the boys!
Just have a little search around and all will become clear, Revo wins.. And sprinting is a pretty good measure of a cars outright pace.. Seen as how its just a straight line and all you have to do is launch and change gear..
Measuring a cars power / torque with an on track comparison is pretty pointless as there as SO many variables.. Saying that, I would challenge anyone (big turbo or not) to get any where near mine round a track
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
because every RR result ive seen revo has been ontop, every 1/4 event ive been to...revo on top, from my own view, id have Revo over APR any day.
What results where?....Perhaps you'd like to post them ....they're not on Awesome's RR page....as for sprinting it's the skill of power deployment not I've got 5-10 bhp more than you!
Motorsport and Trackdays sorts the men out from the boys!
you seem abit upset that id choose revo over APR! :confused: im not searching around for results for your benefit but if you look around the forum then im sure you could find ALOT of results yourself which pritty much speak for themself.
also what's awesome's RR page got to do with anything? :confused:
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
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you think msportman is an awesome/apr fanboy or works for them?
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
That's about sums it up for me :happy2:
Also a very valid point about the way the posts were coming across as if this person had a vested interest in APR :chicken:
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Saying that, I would challenge anyone (big turbo or not) to get any where near mine round a track
look at what yours has done to it, if it was a case of using the same car i would probably challenge you to that :laugh: could be funny to see how close i could get :happy2:
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1/4 mile is a good indication of power, not the time but the trap speed is always a good indicator of power, if you get a good or a crap start your terminal is usually similar :smiley:
I chose revo because of all the good reports they have, the srvice is excellent. I had carl answering my emails on sundays when he is supposed to be off work :laugh:
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I'm not saying it's the same thing, I'm fairly sure he's nothing more than a very loyal customer... but when someone gets so personal about something so silly - it just reminds me of the classic threads on the 'tex where time and time again APR US were shown to be making arses of themselves with dirty tricks like that.
Their marketing strategy of charging double and slagging everyone else off as 'cheap, inferior crap' amuses me too, propaganda, buying key people off on forums with free stuff in exchange for reviews....
I haven't chosen Revo for the last 3 cars because of power figures, I've chosen it because I do business with people I like and trust.
JKM by all accounts are a very good and independant tuner who will simply offer all 3, giving a chance for everyone to research, make their own minds up and choose what they prefer, all under 1 roof.
If APR cars suddenly start making comedy figures on their rollers compared to the others though, we'll know they've been nobbled!!!
Disclaimer - the above is a joke :signLOL:
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JKM......which map do you suggest as being the best/most powerful, as you sell 3 of the main maps which out of the 3 would you use on your car? :smiley:
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you think msportman is an awesome/apr fanboy or works for them?
I think I know who Msportman is (uses a different tag on other forums, done this myself before when I've lost log in details).
Like myself he's been around modified VWs for a very long time. I'm not a mate of his or anything either, spoke to him once a very long time ago when we both had VR6s and I wanted to know a bit about VSR manifolds.
Anyhow, he spent a huuuge sum of money on his mk4 GTI using APR kit and it was a very nice machine and very quick, and as far as I know he has no connections with APR/Awesome other than spending enough there to keep Jim in nice holidays for a while. But he does have a raft of experience in modded VWs and some of the big names in tuning.
I too have a big respect for APR although I've never been a customer or have any other connections to them, and I also have great respect for REVO and many other tuners too for that matter. I think JKMs thinking behind this is that by offering APR hardware they can also offer their software that has been designed to go specifically hand in hand with it. In all JKM offer a fantastic choice of stuff all under one roof which is great in my opinion and you know they are going to be less swayed by either one tuning house or another so can give potential customers some pretty good independant advice.
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JKM......which map do you suggest as being the best/most powerful, as you sell 3 of the main maps which out of the 3 would you use on your car? :smiley:
Interesting question, but I bet you'll get a politicians answer from them!!!
I would guess they would say it would depend on what you want from the map and what further mods you have planned.
For an example I had REVO on my Polo GTI 1.8T and it was fantastic but really really struggled for traction, so when I got my mk5 I went for ANother map as it was tamer and smoother, but now I'm bored stiff of that and want something more aggressive!
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you think msportman is an awesome/apr fanboy or works for them?
I think JKMs thinking behind this is that by offering APR hardware they can also offer their software that has been designed to go specifically hand in hand with it. In all JKM offer a fantastic choice of stuff all under one roof which is great in my opinion and you know they are going to be less swayed by either one tuning house or another so can give potential customers some pretty good independant advice.
Well summarised - you have hit the nail on the head :happy2:
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Nope, dont think so.
Can't see any reference to Revo on their site now. :confused:
As far as I am aware they're still Revo dealers - all the Revo stuff is still on the website http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/shop.htm (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/shop.htm) they have just changed the banner.
Perhaps I was misunderstood. I was replying 'nope' to the poster who asked "Have JKM dropped Revo?" i.e. to say that JKM have not dropped Revo!
As was mentioned above, the formation of APR was very interesting :smiley: :smiley:
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Saying that, I would challenge anyone (big turbo or not) to get any where near mine round a track
look at what yours has done to it, if it was a case of using the same car i would probably challenge you to that :laugh: could be funny to see how close i could get :happy2:
Strap a big turbo to the Eddy then.
Heard your quite handy at the wheel :happy2:
Is the Eddy standard? man/DSG?
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msportsman (aka Ianb on other forums) is a very loyal APR customer and obviously will not have anyone diss their products (bit like the peeps on vortex really)
fair enough he was one of the few to bolt the APR S3+ GT28RS kit on a Mk4 Golf. Did he pay full price for it? Doubt it....hence a bit like the 'tex forum across the big pond.
Fair play to JKM...if they like their products and think it will sell then why not. At least it gives their customers even wider choice of products to choose from and mix and match. Chris aka WhiteGTI for instance uses APR TBE with Revo map! And DomT uses Revo map with APR HPFP!
At the end of the day....choice is good for the consumer. Be bloody boring if it there was just one offering in the marketplace for a product!
So well done to JKM :happy2:
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JKM......which map do you suggest as being the best/most powerful, as you sell 3 of the main maps which out of the 3 would you use on your car? :smiley:
LOL – a very good question and one which we have lined ourselves to be asked.
I hope that you can appreciate that we are still gathering performance data on the APR code so are unable to give a genuinely honest comparison so early on into us supplying the APR software.
We have been supplying APR hardware products for a long time now and the quality is very high which I am sure most people will agree with.
Offering the APR performance software was a simple progression for us to offer alongside their hardware.
Just like some other companies offer REVO etc alongside their own in house performance code - in my opinion most customers have already decided what code they want installed from their own research before they speak with us to book in. Basically once we have gathered more dyno data we will be able to give better information.
Kind regards
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Just to clarify - we are JKM Performance not JKM Motorsport :happy2:
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Just to clarify - we are JKM Performance not JKM Motorsport :happy2:
original topic title updated :happy2:
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JKM - you should update your signature! :smiley:
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Just to clarify - we are JKM Performance not JKM Motorsport :happy2:
original topic title updated :happy2:
Sorry guys - easy mistake to make - I should know better - SLAP...
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Just to clarify - we are JKM Performance not JKM Motorsport :happy2:
original topic title updated :happy2:
Sorry guys - easy mistake to make - I should know better - SLAP...
1000 lines for you dom :mad: :wink:
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Done - do one, copy and paste :happy2: Ain't technology grand!
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
Exactly Tony....I didn't pick who's best argument they are both very very similar in their delivery....nothing wrong with Revo or APR...I went for APR for cruise control and ease of switching.
No I don't work for Awesome but have been around the world of VW Motorsport for many years.. had a few dices in the VW Rainx Championship (Now VW Cup).
Tracking a car is far more interesting in my view. Sprinting 1/4 is not my bag...lapping Spar/Donnington or the Ring is my forte and building my car to suit is only just beginning.
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Done - do one, copy and paste :happy2: Ain't technology grand!
hehehe, if only it was like that in our day.
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
Exactly Tony....I didn't pick who's best argument they are both very very similar in their delivery....nothing wrong with Revo or APR...I went for APR for cruise control and ease of switching.
No I don't work for Awesome but have been around the world of VW Motorsport for many years.. had a few dices in the VW Rainx Championship (Now VW Cup).
Tracking a car is far more interesting in my view. Sprinting 1/4 is not my bag...lapping Spar/Donnington or the Ring is my forte and building my car to suit is only just beginning.
Is that near Spa? :wink:
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
Exactly Tony....I didn't pick who's best argument they are both very very similar in their delivery....nothing wrong with Revo or APR...I went for APR for cruise control and ease of switching.
No I don't work for Awesome but have been around the world of VW Motorsport for many years.. had a few dices in the VW Rainx Championship (Now VW Cup).
Tracking a car is far more interesting in my view. Sprinting 1/4 is not my bag...lapping Spar/Donnington or the Ring is my forte and building my car to suit is only just beginning.
Nah, I didn't think you did - I had a fair idea who you were anyway, there wasn't that many stage 3 APR cars about.
I'm good friends with Tabs, Wilko and the like, so I've seen all the fun over the years in terms of forum debates!... they made for very amusing reading and this brought back a bit of nostalgia.
Oh, I'm with you on the track days too - I've done 3 and 2 'ring trips since I bought it last August, so my car is probably along the lines of how you'll be setting yours up too I guess (albiet with more power than mine being an ED30 and all).. go not show.
my car link (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4281.msg66251#msg66251)
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Personally id have revo map over APR all day long.
Why?
You obviously don't know the story on the formation of Revo when the software writers for Revo were in fact working with APR when they jumped ship on the birth of Revo.
A major lawsuit ensued by APR which I won't go into detail however their software is very similar the main differences are that APR can use cruise to facilitate programme changes.
Alas you seem to think you know more than you actually do.....
REVO developed aftermarket flashing on VAG vehicles... we also hold the patent for switching,
so it's our technologies, before us the only option on VAG cars was chip tuning with no switching, and if you really look everything we were accused of doing was dismissed as we did nothing wrong! REVO is and always was a business, we are proud of our tuning and we will always defend it and protect it.
Please get your facts right before posting on a public forum!
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
Exactly Tony....I didn't pick who's best argument they are both very very similar in their delivery....nothing wrong with Revo or APR...I went for APR for cruise control and ease of switching.
No I don't work for Awesome but have been around the world of VW Motorsport for many years.. had a few dices in the VW Rainx Championship (Now VW Cup).
Tracking a car is far more interesting in my view. Sprinting 1/4 is not my bag...lapping Spar/Donnington or the Ring is my forte and building my car to suit is only just beginning.
Is that near Spa? :wink:
I find the trolleys with the 2 fixed wheels handle better round that place... the ones with 4 castors are a bit vague on turn in if you ask me :grin:
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This old APR vs blah blah blah propaganda argument has been circling since day dot... this thread smacks of the old gag of X-tuner's staff logging in on blag accounts and causing trouble, such is the level of defense of something as daft as this.
You pays your money, you pick what you prefer.
Exactly Tony....I didn't pick who's best argument they are both very very similar in their delivery....nothing wrong with Revo or APR...I went for APR for cruise control and ease of switching.
No I don't work for Awesome but have been around the world of VW Motorsport for many years.. had a few dices in the VW Rainx Championship (Now VW Cup).
Tracking a car is far more interesting in my view. Sprinting 1/4 is not my bag...lapping Spar/Donnington or the Ring is my forte and building my car to suit is only just beginning.
Is that near Spa? :wink:
I find the trolleys with the 2 fixed wheels handle better round that place... the ones with 4 castors are a bit vague on turn in if you ask me :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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msportsman (aka Ianb on other forums) is a very loyal APR customer and obviously will not have anyone diss their products (bit like the peeps on vortex really)
fair enough he was one of the few to bolt the APR S3+ GT28RS kit on a Mk4 Golf. Did he pay full price for it? Doubt it....hence a bit like the 'tex forum across the big pond.
Fair play to JKM...if they like their products and think it will sell then why not. At least it gives their customers even wider choice of products to choose from and mix and match. Chris aka WhiteGTI for instance uses APR TBE with Revo map! And DomT uses Revo map with APR HPFP!
At the end of the day....choice is good for the consumer. Be bloody boring if it there was just one offering in the marketplace for a product!
So well done to JKM :happy2:
Don't you just love forums....all that I will say as previously was that there's nothing wrong in either products....they're both similar and have proven track records and both are used in Motorsport here, US and no doubt Europe.
The reality is that most of us go to people we know and trust and have faith in and most importantly know their business and want the best for their car's. We also want different things out of car's hence different choices on mods.
Years ago back in the eighties when I started building Golf's there were only a few places to go to buy properly engineered fast Golf or Jetta and that was GTI Engineering, Brian Rickett's when he brke away and formed BR Motorsport, Autocavan and later Tim Stiles. I have worked with all their experince on Golf's over the years sadly many have now gone.
Yep I've had some amazing car's in my time some of which you may have known my old white MK2 Golf GTI 16V for many years it was one of the quickest valver's on track regularly seen spitting flames at various circuit's and featured in VW/Audi car by Peter Noad and later Neil Birkett...it was a genuine 200bhp 16v built almost to slick 50 spec but still used everday and the beauty was that it looked stock. The car was carefully built by 'engineers' from the old Tim Stiles racing the people that built 4 championschip winning cars in the 90's.
Onto my MKIV yep it was APR Stage 3+ and it was built for track and road. It was the first one doneby Awesome and if it please some people I did get a reasonably good deal but there again I still spent alot in other areas to cope with the power and what I wanted out of the car. Suffice to say I bought the kit on it's engineered reputation. Good though the car was when finished in my oppinion it isn't a patch on the MK5 as we all now the chassis has moved on. The car was rebuilt heavily using massively uprated internals again done by friends of mine who have a vast experience of building race winning cars. Last year it was head to head at Combe with the Miltek R8 piloted by our friend Mr Hollamby who was quite surprised as we entered Avon Rise at 145 side by side!!
Jim whom some of you know at Awesome was helpful throughout and yes we did come across a few issues along the way but in all the APR kit did the biz and I was pleased with it.....expensive it is but when I looked at the Sportec and MTM options it was a good deal. APR at the time wanted to break into the UK market with their stage 3 kits hence I was the guinea pig.
I'm glad JKM are APR dealer's as said it offers choice. I for one am starting out but I'm sure when finished it will be a 'proper' car.
I'm at Combe competing with the RS boys this Saturday so hopefully my stand in mods will suffice....this is a really good well driven day with proper track manners and is one of the best trackdays of the year with many different marques out on track.
I hope this forum won't get like Club GTI as most people seem to doing the right thing and debating the best way forward which is what it's all about.
Sorry about the spelling mistake.....I hate typing at the best of times!