MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Mk5 GTian on December 14, 2012, 09:24:35 pm
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I just got pulled over! I overtook a bloke doing 20 in a 40, and this black Land Rover Discovery put the blues and two's on. I pulled over, and he pulled up alongside me and launched into a tirade of abuse. Didn't even look like old bill. Told me to "slow down, ya driving like a f*ckin' c*nt", and then drove off!.
Modern policing: Not exactly a scene from Dixon of Dock Green!
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Sound a bit dodgy to me - sure it was the plod?
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Sound a bit dodgy to me - sure it was the plod?
He didn't look or behave like one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was some oik delivering it who fancied a power-trip. It was brand spanking new, with blues and two's in the front grill.
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did you get a note of the reg number? i'd mention it to your local police station
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If it was plod I wouldn't report it, as you'll just get slapped with a Section 59, as he sounds a right powertripper, and there's sod all you can do about those 59's.
It's a hard pill to swallow being spoken to like that though, it gets the blood boiling for sure :fighting:
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Where was this as I saw a black discovery pull someone over in front of me tonight !
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did you get a note of the reg number? i'd mention it to your local police station
TBH, I was just relieved when he drove off without doing anything, but after he'd gone I was a bit angry about the way he spoke to me.
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Where was this as I saw a black discovery pull someone over in front of me tonight !
Pulled in Old Woking. The overtaking took place on the road between Old Woking & Send, Surrey
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Where was this as I saw a black discovery pull someone over in front of me tonight !
Pulled in Old Woking. The overtaking took place on the road between Old Woking & Send, Surrey
Completely not related but my driveshaft came off going down that roads few weeks ago
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I was got got pulled by an off duty bobby in a disco! Best thing is he was wearing an FBI baseball cap :signLOL: I came out of a car park through wrong exit.
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Will have to keep an eye out for that Ian. Thanks for the heads up
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Where was this as I saw a black discovery pull someone over in front of me tonight !
Pulled in Old Woking. The overtaking took place on the road between Old Woking & Send, Surrey
Completely not related but my driveshaft came off going down that roads few weeks ago
I know it's not funny but I did laugh :signLOL:
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This can't be the Police Ian, surely?! Regardless of what anyone thinks of Police, this is quite a new level of unprofessional behavior.
Not forgetting the fact that they're very much result driven, whenever the Police commit to pulling a vehicle over, they will absolutely go over the basics on the driver and the vehicle without doubt.
If he thought you were even slightly driving too quickly for the situation or using excess speed, he'd have checked your license, insurance, tax, MOT, tyres (ANPR will do the majority of that) while ensuring that you didn't smell of alcohol, that you don't use or supply drugs (any ANPR markers will also do this) and conversate with you to find out why you were driving in that manner (justified or not) etc etc...
Winding the window down, calling you F's and blimes' and speeding off just simply isn't today's Police :grin: Even if they had a higher priority call come through on the radio as they lit you up, surely they'd have driven off before winding the window down or stopped, explained, politely warned you then dashed off (?) :confused:
More like travelers with a set of strobes I'd say...
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Sorry to be blunt but its an offence to swear
at in the vicinity of a police officer, he swore at you!! very professional, were you going more than 40?, he would have well and truly got told to f*%k right off there and then!, probably not the best option but I always say "Treat others as you would expect to be treated yourself" "an Eye for an Eye".
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Years back I had some guy try to "Pull me over" coming through Ashton in my Sapphire Cossie (back in't day :grin:), flashed some blue lights at me, ignored the mook and pulled up outside the police station in Ashton and he shot off, unless it's a marked car I would happily drive to a police station as anypone who shops at Halfrauds can stick some blue lights behind their grille :happy2:
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Pete, seriously I would have thought exactly the same as you. However during the summer I got pulled over doing, lets say rather more than the national speed limit. As I pulled over all I could think of was that I'll probably lose my licence. But I basically got a bollocking. There was no professionalism about it, but at the same time I almost had more respect for that than a calm, measured, by-the-book approach.
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By the sounds of it Andrew you deserved a bollocking and that's what you got. If I could have a bollocking over losing my license or similar then I'm all ears.
Not that I travel faster than the posted limit ever. :innocent:
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Pete, seriously I would have thought exactly the same as you. However during the summer I got pulled over doing, lets say rather more than the national speed limit. As I pulled over all I could think of was that I'll probably lose my licence. But I basically got a bollocking. There was no professionalism about it, but at the same time I almost had more respect for that than a calm, measured, by-the-book approach.
Yes. The message gets thorough.
Some time ago I was pulled over and given a proper telling off for my driving (one of those rollickings that only a parent gives but this one with the added swearing)! I sat there, kemp saying sorry, took the "telling off" and was warned to calm down.
I now work ACROSS THE ROAD form the police station and I've seen the fella in his police car a couple of times since, I always get a flash and a wave (probably a warning, I like to think its a wave) and a always flash back.
Oh and I now drive slower around town, message got through and lesson learnt as I related and reacted better to his approach than a calm warning.
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I was got got pulled by an off duty bobby in a disco! Best thing is he was wearing an FBI baseball cap :signLOL: I came out of a car park through wrong exit.
Ha! FBI baseball cap! What a cnut!! :grin:
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This can't be the Police Ian, surely?! Regardless of what anyone thinks of Police, this is quite a new level of unprofessional behavior.
Not forgetting the fact that they're very much result driven, whenever the Police commit to pulling a vehicle over, they will absolutely go over the basics on the driver and the vehicle without doubt.
If he thought you were even slightly driving too quickly for the situation or using excess speed, he'd have checked your license, insurance, tax, MOT, tyres (ANPR will do the majority of that) while ensuring that you didn't smell of alcohol, that you don't use or supply drugs (any ANPR markers will also do this) and conversate with you to find out why you were driving in that manner (justified or not) etc etc...
Winding the window down, calling you F's and blimes' and speeding off just simply isn't today's Police :grin: Even if they had a higher priority call come through on the radio as they lit you up, surely they'd have driven off before winding the window down or stopped, explained, politely warned you then dashed off (?) :confused:
More like travelers with a set of strobes I'd say...
There are a lot of very wealthy people around here, and they all have these key-alarms in there houses. There are swift response vehicles that patrol up and down the A3 which respond to these alarms. A few years ago we were fitting a rad in a posh house in Cobham and my apprentice thought he'd turn the key! Within 10 minutes 3 black motors piled up the drive and stormed into the house! We sh*t ourshelves! They were properly pumped, and very aggressive. I wouldn't mind betting this bloke was one of this lot.
They get bored and play "pis* off the motorist" sitting in the fast lane at 70 on the A3, and wait until someone flashes them up, then refuse to pull over. When the inevitable happens and they get undertaken, they pull you over. I know this because it happened to me!, I recognised an Asian lad who was one of the lot who I saw at the Cobham house! They were in a black plain clothes Mondeo, again with blues and two's in the grill. Power games. This was 2 years ago, so I still have reservations about the professionalism of some branches of the Police!
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Learn to expect alot worse from your Police . This Government are hell bent on reducing the starting salary to the paltry sum of £1100 a month after taxes etc . What sort of Police will you get for that ? It will not attract the mature man with house wife and kids which we would all expect . Who will it attract ? The officer you will meet on the street will also gradually become a person always in a hurry and going from job to job to job , anything that interferes with that will get the wrath of stopping someone in a hurry always gives .
The Police standards has gradually eroded over the years and the Goverment/Media have tried their upmost to erode our confidence so we learn to expect less , so they can reduce what it costs . I know this as i have been one of over 29 years !
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Reminds me of a similar incident about 20 years ago when I was in my early 20"s and on a FZR1000 EXUP Yamaha, I came off the A1 in Hertfordshire and coming off the slip road noticed another bike trying to catch me up in the mirror so I dropped a couple of gears and opened up. Being young and stupid I hit crazy speeds, I was not looking at the speedo but was wringing the bikes neck and must of been doing 120-130 in places and lost the other bike in no time. When I reached the next town I pulled over for petrol and whilst putting the petrol in the other bike pulled in along side me, it was a policeman on a police BMW and he flicked up the bottom part of the helmets they used to wear (The ones where the chin piece and visor could flip up together) and looked at me and said something to the words of "I would give you a ticket but I dont think you would live long enougth to produce it, I just hope I am not the one who has to tell your parents that we have just had to peel you off the road" then he just calmly drove of, Those words stuck with me and slow me down at times even now, but what a cool copper he was. He just flipped his visor etc. back down and rode out the garage and up the road leaving me there in shock without saying a word and thinking did that really just happen LOL.
Cheers Paul
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Unlikely you outran a Police Motorcyclist , but a good story :happy2:
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Few years ago when i had my mk2 r32 I had a grey mk5 up my arse coming out of guildford up the a3 so decided to see how quick they were!! Well, as he was falling back and we were travelling at the speed of light the blues came on in the grill and i shat my pants. I indicated to pull over in the services and they pulled along side, the passenger mouthed at me to slow down, gave a thumbs up and tore off up the road. I had a bit of a sit in the services and counted my blessings :signLOL:
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There are alot of unmarked cars about equipped with blue lights inside the grill . Most are never meant to deal with anything to do with motoring offences . Officers generally in plain clothes . They can't beat a bit of fun and worrying those who all of a sudden see the blue lights after arsing about . Hence why you won't get a ticket or similar , they haven't got any and would be chastised for going any further than a boll*cking .
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There are alot of unmarked cars about equipped with blue lights inside the grill . Most are never meant to deal with anything to do with motoring offences . Officers generally in plain clothes . They can't beat a bit of fun and worrying those who all of a sudden see the blue lights after arsing about . Hrnce why you won't get a ticket or similar , they haven't got any and would be chastised for going any further than a boll*cking .
Certainly seems to be my experience. As I said, power games.
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I'm only 20, and today just got followed along the A27 by a traffic cop car, guessing they are checking insurance etc... I was sat doing 60mph, but he wouldnt go past.. They are always upto something!
But yeah there are alot more unmarked cars out there these days.. have to keep your eyes open for the little lights on wing mirrors etc..
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Unlikely you outran a Police Motorcyclist , but a good story :happy2:
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I am pretty sure a YZR1000 would quite easily outrun a police BMW load lugger :signLOL:
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Unlikely you outran a Police Motorcyclist , but a good story :happy2:
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I am pretty sure a YZR1000 would quite easily outrun a police BMW load lugger :signLOL:
I was thinking the same. :smiley:
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wtf sound like some twat with lights in the grill of his sh*tty disco, if it was old bill surely he would have properly pulled you over
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Years ago when I had my 1st Golf GTI (MK2 8v Metallic Grey Campaign '88) I was on way to work (60 limit) and this guy in front of me was pootling along at 45mph so i went to overtake him and as I got alongside him and he sped up (Tw%t!) so I pulled back in behind him (he then slowed to 45mph again) so I backed off and got 150yds behind him as soon as I gap came I floored it and got past him, the tool then proceed to to throw his battered escort estate around 4 roundabouts trying to catch up, when he finallly caught up he started waving this red/white sign at me which read "Police" so I ignored him (he was wearing jeans and a T shirt and driving a 10 year old Escort estate, there was no way I was stopping!), anyhoo as I pulled into work he pulled up alongside me and started shoving his police ID in my face, he went on to tell me I was driving like a tw%t!?, my immediate reply was "I am sorry I did not realise part of your police driver training was to speed up as poeple who you are holding up overtake you", then gave him a right earfull saying it was HIM who was the tw$t firstly for speeding up and then for ragging the cra4p out of his old escort trying to keep up, my manager came out and asked what the delay was?, copper went onto to rant at him about "His employees driving habits" to which my manager replied if you kept up with him in that shed you must have been driving like a nob!, I just laughed it off and figured he was having a bad morning but my manager made a written complaint to the local Inspector as he started abusing my manager as I was just ignoring him and getting on with my job at this point (along with footnote counter-signed by my employers MD) with his name and ID number and his car reg plate, we both got a written apology (probably a std letter) about his use of language and "Aggressive Tones" (although the letter failed to reply as to to why he was trying to pull me when he was a regular beat bobby and not even traffic) going on to say he has been "Having some personal problems" and that he was very sorry for what he had done, I saw him several times again over the next few years and gave him a thumbs up and smile as I overtook him (within the speed limit) each time :happy2:
If I get pulled over by the police (In a marked car!!) and they talk to you like a human being I will gladly do the same, but speak to me like some car thief you just arrested and you should not expect full NOR POLITE REPLIES!!!
99% of police are great and do their job well, however like everything else in life its the 1% that ruin the reputation of the other 99%, and you only hear about the idiots and not the guys doing their job well
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Ive been collared by a blacked out Disco on the way back from Chelsea. Just lit me up and took over me and put his LED matrix sign on in the back of the car.
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Unlikely you outran a Police Motorcyclist , but a good story :happy2:
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I am pretty sure a YZR1000 would quite easily outrun a police BMW load lugger :signLOL:
You would be very surprsed , the quality of the rider has a great deal to do with it , unless you are talking about on a motorway where any **** can ride fast in a straight line . Also the one that is behind (Police) is always looking forward , the pursued is not :innocent:
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Ive been collared by a blacked out Disco on the way back from Chelsea. Just lit me up and took over me and put his LED matrix sign on in the back of the car.
Has guns on board too :rolleye:
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No offence but anyone half decent on that bike would leave the chunky BMW for dead, I know the police riders are well trained but they dont corner that well and they are not that quick, they are built to cruise the motorways and carry stuff not to catch hoons on superbikes, I very much doubt he would be looking backwards, possibly upwards when the BMW loses him and calls for a heli :signLOL:
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There are alot of unmarked cars about equipped with blue lights inside the grill . Most are never meant to deal with anything to do with motoring offences . Officers generally in plain clothes . They can't beat a bit of fun and worrying those who all of a sudden see the blue lights after arsing about . Hence why you won't get a ticket or similar , they haven't got any and would be chastised for going any further than a boll*cking .
....I was about to post the same. A mate of mine is in the military and used to drive an unmarked Range Rover (he's now training other drivers AFAIK) with bullet-proof glass and blues etc, including a tannoy (no, it was never used to say anything when passing hot girlies on the pavement *cough*). He was on constant call as driver if an emergency such as terrorist attack or uber VIP transport protection. He once txt'd me to say he'd seen me travelling south on the A3 at 14.27hrs (or similarly accurate!). When I told him that in spite of knowing his vehicle and plate, I didn't see him, he said "You're not supposed to see me, Robin".
But I digress. There's no justification in speaking such language even if the guy is thinking it - Very unprofessional.
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Unlikely you outran a Police Motorcyclist , but a good story :happy2:
At the time the police in the Hertfordshire were riding Wankel Norton's and Boxer BMW's, The Yamaha FZR 1000 EXUP was the state of art piece of kit and would of pretty much seen a clean pair of heels to anything that was allowed on the road at the time. In fairness to the policeman on the BMW he would most likely of caught me on the same bike and may well of been a better rider but he might as well of been on foot as trying to catch me on the bike he was on that night. But what I was trying to say was this guy never arrested me or swore at me but was just calm and cool and told me a few words that made me feel like the complete idiot I was that night and I respected him for that and it slowed me down more than if he would of thrown the book at me.
In life we come across people who feel they have the right to demand respect due to there jobs or position etc. but at the same time there are others in the same position who earn it and they are the only ones who get respect and that policeman 20+ years ago got mine.
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TBF bud, regardless of how much of a **** the 'copper' may or not have been it beats getting points, a fine, loosing your license etc etc etc... & im speaking from expirience here lol.
I woulda took all the abuse in the world if I was given the chance lol!
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TBF bud, regardless of how much of a **** the 'copper' may or not have been it beats getting points, a fine, loosing your license etc etc etc... & im speaking from expirience here lol.
I woulda took all the abuse in the world if I was given the chance lol!
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
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Hmmm Granted... In that case march down the station and complain... I'd still rather take the bollocking despite how unprofessional it may of been, im sure the copper will just argue that it was dangerous driving if it came to it and then who are they gonna believe him or the law?
wrong I know but this is how the world works sadly :(
-Coppers like this that sadly tarnish the majority!!!
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I received a S59 for overtaking a dawdler, and it was reported by the dawdler! The dawdler was an off duty copper.
I know you think I must have been doing Mach2 tearing up the street, but in all honesty I just licked it past him after being frustrated at < 25mph indicated.
The crazy thing was, that 2 other people overtook him before me, but I made the mistake of actually slowing back down after the safe overtake. This gave him enough time to speed up (yes, I know) match my speed and take my number; why do I know this? Because he knocked on my door later that evening (in uniform) explaining that he was giving me a Section 59.
I didn't even know what a Section 59 was until that point. He wasn't rude at all, and I was polite, but I did point out he was driving under the speed limit and others felt it necessary to overtake him too, I could tell he felt almost embarrassed, he seemed new to the job and I had the feeling he was trying to stack up some brownie points by issuing this thing. He still issued it though.
Moral of the story, the Section 59 law is abhorrent and open to misuse... the copper becomes judge, jury and executioner - you are guilty and that's that.
It feels so unlawful, but isn't, so what can you do?
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I received a S59 for overtaking a dawdler, and it was reported by the dawdler! The dawdler was an off duty copper.
I know you think I must have been doing Mach2 tearing up the street, but in all honesty I just licked it past him after being frustrated at < 25mph indicated.
The crazy thing was, that 2 other people overtook him before me, but I made the mistake of actually slowing back down after the safe overtake. This gave him enough time to speed up (yes, I know) match my speed and take my number; why do I know this? Because he knocked on my door later that evening (in uniform) explaining that he was giving me a Section 59.
I didn't even know what a Section 59 was until that point. He wasn't rude at all, and I was polite, but I did point out he was driving under the speed limit and others felt it necessary to overtake him too, I could tell he felt almost embarrassed, he seemed new to the job and I had the feeling he was trying to stack up some brownie points by issuing this thing. He still issued it though.
Moral of the story, the Section 59 law is abhorrent and open to misuse... the copper becomes judge, jury and executioner - you are guilty and that's that.
It feels so unlawful, but isn't, so what can you do?
Sounds about right!!
Never had one myself, but im pretty confident in saying that the Section 59's go on the car not you as a driver... still got the same motor? cos if not your safe.... Bit of a stitch up for 2nd hand buyers mind you as its a 2 strike rule lol!
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Never had one myself, but im pretty confident in saying that the Section 59's go on the car not you as a driver... still got the same motor? cos if not your safe.... Bit of a stitch up for 2nd hand buyers mind you as its a 2 strike rule lol!
....So does something happen immediately after the 2nd strike or when you get a 3rd strike?
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The "something" is your car gets taken away, not for depounding either... to be crushed!
Look it up its quite an interesting read, Im a psychiatric nurse and subsequently work closely with the local police - the traffic officer explained it to me in detail once.
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The "something" is your car gets taken away, not for depounding either... to be crushed!
Look it up its quite an interesting read, Im a psychiatric nurse and subsequently work closely with the local police - the traffic officer explained it to me in detail once.
Not quite.
If your caught again (essentially Stage 2) of the S59, it goes to the pound, where you can have it released for X dollars (circa £200 I think), you then go back to (Stage 1) of the S59.
If you don't pay the release money it gets crushed.
The S59 lasts 12 months. Probably recurring if you get to Stage 2.
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sounds like you have some expirience in this field ;) lol...
The copper obviously laid it on a bit thick to me - Clearly he knows what my drivings like :driver:
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That's wrong, it is impounded but if not collected then it is crushed.
Basically it's there to give to people at maccy d's and cruises with music to loud and general acting or driving anti sociably and is a marker for the car. But it seems if an officer is in a panda car and the speedo isn't calibrated they can give a section 59 instead, used for the wrong reasons IMO, and other things they deem to be anti social and where they are basically judge and jury you have no say in it.
Humberside side police site about them
http://www.humberside.police.uk/traveling-safely/crime-reduction/s59-police-reform-act-anti-social-driving-offences
Bit more in depth info from fast car
http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2010/07/15/what-is-a-section-59
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Beaten to it by zerolag
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Thats that settled then :)
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Thanks, guys - It saved me from reading a long document about it :drinking:
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Sounds about right!!
Never had one myself, but im pretty confident in saying that the Section 59's go on the car not you as a driver... still got the same motor? cos if not your safe.... Bit of a stitch up for 2nd hand buyers mind you as its a 2 strike rule lol!
Goes on both car and driver for the term.
So if your driving someone else's car and a copper is having an off day they can have it impounded there and then, leaving you at the side of the road. It is the only law I've heard of that you don't have the opportunity to defend yourself and needs no supporting evidence, it's clearly open to abuse from the type of Police described by the OP.
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Read this post by an ex-copper on the Bike Forums re: Section 59's, makes you wonder clicky (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?topic-id=355632#ctl00_placeHolderContainer_placeHolderMainContent_placeHolderColumn02_placeHolderColumn02Body_TopicReplies_rptTopicReplies_ctl06_ctlTopicReply_labelSubject)
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Fundamentallly Sec 59 is all about your standard of driving and, anyway, you should be able to write a letter giving your side of the story if you disagree and if necessary get a specialist solicitor to fight your corner.
The Sec 59 notice may be issued without reference to any subsequent testing in court etc but I think you still have a civil right to appeal to an appropriate authority such as a Chief Constable by writing a letter.
In the case mentioned of overtaking a vehicle only going at 25mph (in presumably either a 30 or 40mph limit zone), you are not supposed to overtake another moving vehicle at all in such speed restricted zones as I understand it - You should treat it as the same as a double white line central road marking. Just because a couple of other vehicles in front of you overtook doesn't make it right. You have to be patient when driving.
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TBF bud, regardless of how much of a **** the 'copper' may or not have been it beats getting points, a fine, loosing your license etc etc etc... & im speaking from expirience here lol.
I woulda took all the abuse in the world if I was given the chance lol!
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly. Upon reflection, had it of been a traffic officer he would probably have pulled the dawdler on suspicion of drink driving rather than pursue me.
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly.
....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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If a bloke is doing 20 in a 40, with a long stretch of road in front of me, with no traffic coming in the opposite direction, I'm overtaking!!!
Any sensible traffic officer would prefer that than you sitting up their arse, boiling over with frustration, and then taking that stress and anxiety into the rest of your journey. I've got a mate who's best mate is a traffic officer, and he is very understanding of the danger that these dawdlers can cause through their obstructive driving.
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If a bloke is doing 20 in a 40, with a long stretch of road in front of me, with no traffic coming in the opposite direction, I'm overtaking!!!
Any sensible traffic officer would prefer that than you sitting up their arse, boiling over with frustration, and then taking that stress and anxiety into the rest of your journey. I've got a mate who's best mate is a traffic officer, and he is very understanding of the danger that these dawdlers can cause through their obstructive driving.
....I don't disagree with you! I was just pointing out what I understand the law to be, so please check it out for yourself before next time deciding you are going to ignore the law because you think it's safe. And if I'm wrong about that detail of the law, I would like to be told.
It's not just whether there's something coming in the opposite direction is it? There are often lots of blind side road junctions in a 30/40 zone - I know from bitter experience because many years ago I was in a TVR which got written off in such circumstances and I was very lucky not have both my legs broken.
If you are ever "boiling over with frustration" that tells me that you are not always driving as safely as you can be or should be - Sorry, mate!
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I shall check this out, but I was taught that overtaking was permissable when the central single white line was a broken one, providing that it was safe to do so. The road in question has marshland either side. It has no side roads or hidden entrances. I therefore deemed it safe (and at the time, legal) to pass.
When talking of "boiling over with frustration" I was referring to the motoring public in general, I see examples of it every day. I, however drive like Mother Teresa at all times! :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly.
....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly.
....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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Can you expand on that Garrardrj?
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Pretty sure you can overtake in a 30/40, just gotta be safe to do so. Round my way its all tractors, horse riders and cyclists so you never get anywhere quick!!
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Go easy guys...
I dont feel that the OP's author (or anyone else on this forum) should have to justify/explain themselves.....
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly.
....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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....Thank You for correcting me on that one, Garrard :happy2:
Overtaking in a 30/40 two-way urban road is nonetheless something I don't do, even if the car in front is dawdling. I guess that my TVR crash experience has taught me the dangers of doing so. The words most commonly heard at the scene of an accident/incident are "I didn't see you".
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Go easy guys...
I dont feel that the OP's author (or anyone else on this forum) should have to justify/explain themselves.....
....We are only calmly discussing things and I don't see anyone, including me, not going easy on the OP.
However, IMO, just because someone is a member of this forum it doesn't mean that they are automatically going to be in the right whatever they do, nor that they are beyond criticism (if it's respectful and polite) from others here. We're not a gang of crooks where loyalty to each other is of paramount importance.
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Pretty sure you can overtake in a 30/40, just gotta be safe to do so. Round my way its all tractors, horse riders and cyclists so you never get anywhere quick!!
....It appears (posted by a Policeman here) that you can overtake and that I was wrong regarding the letter of the law.
I think that tractors and horse-riders are usually on the countryside roads and I rightly or wrongly assumed that the case we were discussing was in an urban environment.
Big modern tractors are bloody fast anyway and don't hang about! Around here it's more likely to be an old Dawsett farmer in his beat-up old Land-Rover with his sheepdog in the back who is dawdling.
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Go easy guys...
I dont feel that the OP's author (or anyone else on this forum) should have to justify/explain themselves.....
....We are only calmly discussing things and I don't see anyone, including me, not going easy on the OP.
However, IMO, just because someone is a member of this forum it doesn't mean that they are automatically going to be in the right whatever they do, nor that they are beyond criticism (if it's respectful and polite) from others here. We're not a gang of crooks where loyalty to each other is of paramount importance.
Granted, and well put accross however IMO I dont feel some of the posts are aimed with respect and politeness to the OP - and I do not refer to yours, despite your usual level of sarcasticness ;)
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@ Veee-dubber: :drinking:
I'm afraid that I often have to control my tendency to be sarcastic! :ashamed:
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@ Veee-dubber: :drinking:
I'm afraid that I often have to control my tendency to be sarcastic! :ashamed:
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I have noticed :) lol
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To be honest, as the original OP I didn't feel at any point that anyone was disrespectful to me on this thread. I've enjoyed the usual level debate, and have found that 99.9% (that's not statistically accurate!) of the time I've been treated with nothing but respect. When I'm in the wrong I've normally been put right in a respectful manner.
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Lots of man-love (similar to man-hug, I hope!) going on this afternoon!
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From the OP's original post it does not seem he was actually breaking any law other than overtaking a dawdler?
I barely needed to touch the speed limit, he was going so slowly.
....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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Can you expand on that Garrardrj?
Well its not written any law anywhere for starters and not in the highway code . For example you were driving along the road behind a 10mph milk float , a mobility scooter , tractor etc . Since local Parish Councils have been allowed to set their own speed limits we have areas within Suffolk where 30mph areas are surrounded by open fields on both sides of the road and none of them are lit with street lights to deem them 30mph zoes either . Some 30mp[h zones are 3/4 miles long !
It would be intersting to hear where you might have been told what you quote and who might have told you .
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Lots of man-love (similar to man-hug, I hope!) going on this afternoon!
You can keep your "man-love" to yourself.... this isnt that kind of forum.
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....I think you should check this out: As far as I know, you are NOT allowed to overtake a moving vehicle while in a 30 or 40 mph speed restricted zone, REGARDLESS of you not exceeding that speed limit.
Either way, that's the rule I follow and I think it's safer from all points of view because I understand why it's a safer practice in built-up areas. Just be patient when driving - There's plenty of opportunity to have fun on the open road after you have left the 30/40 zone.
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Can you expand on that Garrardrj?
Well its not written any law anywhere for starters and not in the highway code . For example you were driving along the road behind a 10mph milk float , a mobility scooter , tractor etc . Since local Parish Councils have been allowed to set their own speed limits we have areas within Suffolk where 30mph areas are surrounded by open fields on both sides of the road and none of them are lit with street lights to deem them 30mph zoes either . Some 30mp[h zones are 3/4 miles long !
It would be intersting to hear where you might have been told what you quote and who might have told you .
....As I wrote earlier: "As far as I know.." - It's something I've been taught (would be funny if it was by Police Instructor, John Cave!) but I can't remember by whom - I've been driving for over 40 years. I also said I was ready to be corrected - Which you did :happy2:
I think that we have two distinctly different scenarios here: One in built-up urban zones and one in the countryside zones. Countryside zones obviously (to my mind) have more flexibility.
Irrespective of the written law or Highway Code, do you not agree that it's adding to the risk of an incident if you overtake without a lot of extra care and attention in a built-up urban environment? - It's a potentially multi hazardous and dynamic situation which has, as I said previously, many unforeseen factors. Indeed, isn't it why 30 and 40 mph speed restrictions exist in the first place? Or is it solely to save the NHS money when dealing with the aftermath of urban road accidents?
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Lots of man-love (similar to man-hug, I hope!) going on this afternoon!
You can keep your "man-love" to yourself.... this isnt that kind of forum.
....[Note to self] Man-hugs are okay in some circumstances but man-love is many steps too far [and, I hasten to add, not my scene anyway] but I'm not homophobic and years ago spent many evenings out with a gay fashion designer best mate in Chelsea and often pulled model girls as a result cos they thought 'we' were safe!
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Lots of man-love (similar to man-hug, I hope!) going on this afternoon!
You can keep your "man-love" to yourself.... this isnt that kind of forum.
....[Note to self] Man-hugs are okay in some circumstances but man-love is many steps too far [and, I hasten to add, not my scene anyway] but I'm not homophobic and years ago spent many evenings out with a gay fashion designer best mate in Chelsea and often pulled model girls as a result cos they thought 'we' were safe!
Touche!
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Bloomin' eck, the gadar's going crazy this arvo! :signLOL:
It's very rare you get a tear-up on this forum. I think it shows that VW generally attracts nice people, which is appropriate given it's history with the hippies! (Let's forget about the Nazi bit!)
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Jumping way back to Robin's comment about boiling with frustration & being patient I found my self in a bit of a tizz wazz last night on the road..
So there I am driving along in a 30 mph zone, heavily built up; parked cars,houses, speed bumps so on and so forth...There was cars behind me and infront was a mondeo (which about sums it up I suppose) anyway this mondeo preceeded to fluctuate in speeds ranging from I'd guess about 40, 30, 15, down to 10 back up to 25, 40, 25 - You get the point. In addition to the rapidly changing speeds there was irratic breaking for no apparant reason, coming to an almost complete halt every time a car passed before resuming the varying speeds once again...
I at one point nearly rear ended him (thats not an inuendo for you either Robin so steady ;)) and the car behind me nearly hit me on a couple of occasions also... Now im a believer of making people aware of their mistakes on the road as half the time I dont think people even realise they have made one so F-ing and blinding to them in your car doesnt allow them to rectify there mistakes (which we all make) in the future.... So with that opinion in mind and the mondeo driver coming to an almost complete halt supposidly due to the car approaching him on the other side of the road I decided to give him a couple of flashes and a good old fashioned beep of the horn in addition to some F-ing and blinding, of course.
Now on this note, The mondeo stops fully and some old boy jumps (thats generous), clambers out and approaches my window giving me what for.... I unwind my window asking "what the bloody hell you playing at" his reply is a load of abuse with "your tailgating me" chucked in there for his rationale. After describing his driving to him and explaining that my "tailgating" was a result of nearly hitting him and vice versa the car behind me hitting me all due to his breaking, the only answer he could give me was that it was a 20MPH Zone. I of course smugly pointed to the big tal post with 30 written in big writing, as they do! I then asked why he was doing 40 odd which he couldnt answer either funnily enough..... despite all this the old boy continued to shout, scream, spit in my face and threaten me stating it was all my fault...
At this point Ive had enough... my patience is depleated and I reach boiling point... So in good old fashioned manner I pull out all the stops and wheel spin off and around his parked mondeo off into the night....
Anyway the point of this is... I think the OP of this post was right to overtake and I would have done the same :)
opinions welcomed :)
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Jumping way back to Robin's comment about boiling with frustration & being patient I found my self in a bit of a tizz wazz last night on the road..
So there I am driving along in a 30 mph zone, heavily built upl.................................. So with that opinion in mind and the mondeo driver coming to an almost complete halt supposidly due to the car approaching him on the other side of the road I decided to give him a couple of flashes and a good old fashioned beep of the horn in addition to some F-ing and blinding, of course.
Now on this note, The mondeo stops fully and some old boy jumps (thats generous), clambers out and approaches my window giving me what for.... I unwind my window asking "what the bloody hell you playing at" his reply is a load of abuse with "your tailgating me" chucked in there for his rationale. After describing his driving to him and explaining that my "tailgating" was a result of nearly hitting him and vice versa the car behind me hitting me all due to his breaking, the only answer he could give me was that it was a 20MPH Zone. I of course smugly pointed to the big tal post with 30 written in big writing, as they do! I then asked why he was doing 40 odd which he couldnt answer either funnily enough..... despite all this the old boy continued to shout, scream, spit in my face and threaten me stating it was all my fault...
opinions welcomed :)
....I once witnessed, in broad daylight in a traffic queue in Fulham Road (Chelsea again, cos I lived there for 25 years), a similar incident where one driver got impatient with another and got out to give him some verbal abuse.... But the other geezer, calm as a cucumber got out of his car, went to his boot and got out a crow bar. The first guy scurried back to his car, got in and locked his car doors. The guy with the crow bar, still as cool as a cucumber, calmly walked around the front of the other car and smashed both headlights with the crow bar. He then walked calmly back to his own car and no more was said or done!
I have witnessed other similar incidents over the years and automatically do not exchange any verbal niceties with other road users even if I think they are a '@*&%!!' - Always best to ignore, especially as there are quite a lot of idiots driving cars out there, well actually, they're not driving but just travelling.
So my opinion is that's it's best to always stay calm and patient on the road, whatever else is going on - You never know who you are dealing with or how they may react.
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I couldn't agree more with robins comment on "you don't know who they are and how there react"
we all loose our temper and it's hard to keep it bottled but it is for the best most of the time.
we love our cars and that's half the reason I try to keep cool, if somone damaged my car due to my temper I'd feel a right fool.
plus you don't know who it is and that's the scary part, could be a massive MMA cage fighter, a mental person, could be anyone
I say this but there does come a point were we just erupt :laugh:
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I quite like hurling abuse out of the window in Summer. Quite often they hear you and acknowledge they were in the wrong.
Those that don't either have their window shut or must be deaf. :grin:
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Had a lady yesterday just park her car half in half out a bus stop blocking the road. Traffic is backed up on the other side and gap is pretty small and I don't fancy my chances. Husband gets out to go to the bank, lady puts the hazards on. I shake my head, the guy in his X5 on the opposite side just smiles at me as he knows what's just happened. A big truck behind me pulls up and sounds his loud fog horn type thing after sitting for a few seconds after also realising that she has single-handedly caused a massive traffic jam. I make an attempt to nudge past thinking she may well realise the chaos she has just created, even though there is no way i'll fit though. Then all of a sudden, in stead of making a smooth straight pull away, her wheels are angled to the right and an abrupt pull away occurs for no reason. I guess she realised parking there wasn't a good idea, but in the process nearly collided with me. I was very calm and only raised my arms but she went on as if nothing had happened. The look on the guys face in the X5 was priceless!!
Hey ho. Live and learn.
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Lol,
I've had a few incidents over the last 25 years driving, but the most recent was a chap who got out of his car in front of me, knocked on the window of my car and asked why I'd been flashing him! I simply replied " it's the automatic lights mate, they come on and go off whenever they feel like it. He laughed, turned around, got into his car and drove off.
Luckily the MKVI doesn't seem to be so frenetic with the auto lights and they stay on longer before turning off again. :happy2:
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That's why I never use the auto lights, John - They could easily be misinterpreted by another driver, such as him thinking you are flashing him that it's alright to leave the side road and drive into your path, simply because of continually changing light levels read by the auto lights robot. Not worth trusting IMO. But I don't even trust Cruise Control!
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I havent read all of is thread yet, but as far as im aware you do not have to stop for unmarked vehicles until you feel safe to do so, for example if your in the country, then drive to the nearest town and stop there.....dont wanna get your pride and joy stolen!
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I havent read all of is thread yet, but as far as im aware you do not have to stop for unmarked vehicles until you feel safe to do so, for example if your in the country, then drive to the nearest town and stop there.....dont wanna get your pride and joy stolen!
....Unmarked Police cars still have sirens and flashing blue lights and I think you would be pretty stupid to ignore those. If an officer of the law instructs you to do something it's always best to do your very best to do so.
In my experience of being followed (as far as 10 miles on one occasion) an unmarked Police car won't put on his lights and ask you to stop until there's an obvious safe place for both of you to stop. I've never had the sirens put up on me and I've (so far!!) never been booked after being stopped by an unmarked car.
One unmarked BMW estate overtook me without cutting me up and had a sign in the rear window which said "FOLLOW ME". I gave him a thumbs up to let him know I would and pulled up behind him. He told me not to bother to get out of my car and just said to watch my speed - I had been in the 90's on a 70 dual carriageway.
I think that the unmarked guys are able to exercise more discretion and are also more likely to follow you for longer - A good thing because they can better assess your driving and that's what it should also be about, not just speed. Solo unmarked Police drivers usually are the more experienced guys too.
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SECTION 163 Road Traffic Act state that only an officer in full uniform can stop a vehicle. That is why the legislation has not been changed to protect the likes of diplomats and high value individuals from being targeted by criminals posing as police.
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SECTION 163 Road Traffic Act state that only an officer in full uniform can stop a vehicle. That is why the legislation has not been changed to protect the likes of diplomats and high value individuals from being targeted by criminals posing as police.
....Okay, but are you advising drivers not to stop when an unmarked Police car being driven, as far as you can see, by a guy in a dark blue woolly jumper, puts on his blues and/or twos?
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Of course not Robin, that would be foolish :innocent:
...but I knew it prompt such a response from yourself...I couldnt resist..sorry
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SECTION 163 Road Traffic Act state that only an officer in full uniform can stop a vehicle. That is why the legislation has not been changed to protect the likes of diplomats and high value individuals from being targeted by criminals posing as police.
....Okay, but are you advising drivers not to stop when an unmarked Police car being driven, as far as you can see, by a guy in a dark blue woolly jumper, puts on his blues and/or twos?
But what constitutes full uniform! Case law recently has shown that wearing a stab with police on is full uniform - and that is what GMP do. Unmarked vehicles with completed plain clothed officers are different as if you fail to stop for them you actually don't commit any offence.
In practice though, as RR said, *most* unmarked vehicles will indicate for you to stop in a suitable location. If you don't feel happy, don't stop but make it clear you know that their there and phone 999. Or drive to a local busy-ish area. There have been no prosecutions to date of those who fail to stop because they are unsure as to whether said vehicle is actually a police vheicle (again you need to make it clear that you know that they may want to speak to you - so hazards/phone...something). It definately isn't in the public interest to prosecute - even if the officers are in uniform. It would be an offence if you decide to increase your speed and make off!
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Yes, I think it's really all a simple matter of common sense :smiley:
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And there I was, trying my best to answer your post with polite respect. I owe you one! :laugh: :happy2:
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Yes, I think it's really all a simple matter of common sense :smiley:
Yeh exactly! It's so easy to go on ebay and get LEDs from china so common sense is the way forward.
I love your respose to Horatio.....I've just mopped up my laptop after spilling tea on it!
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Thats pretty much what i meant, its pretty easy to go to halfords and buy some blue flashing lights, fit them, take a couple of mates and pull people. They should understand why you hadnt stopped, and if in doubt set your phone to record, thats what i do, fed up with being talked to like sh*t!
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I hate getting pulled over by the boys in blue as it might spill my pint. :scared:
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I hate getting pulled over by the boys in blue as it might spill my pint. :scared:
I was doing a ton twenty the other night, down a one lane road.... saw a rosser and had to slam the anchors on.... my massive line of coke went everywhere!! :fighting: :fighting: :fighting:
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It makes chasing the dragon very awkward. :sad1:
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ON saturday night I was going out for a meal with some friends and my journey involved a stretch of B road (60 limit), about 2 miles along the 9 miles of the road I am travelling I come up behind a 59 plate VW Golf TDI who proceeded to drive at between 15mph and 30mph (in a 60mph zone), pootling along at 30mph!! but every time a car came the other way brakes on down to 15mph until it passed then back to 30mph :fighting:, I waited patiently until a stretch of road became free (about 1.5 miles) so I could overtake (safely I may add) and the person driving decided it was in their interests to flash his lights at me and then stick main beam on :stupid:, well I am sorry to say it annoyed me somewhat so I put my rear fog lights on and proceeded to drive the next 2 miles at exactly 15mph (I was going to be early anyway), I got bored after 2 miles and dissapeared into the distance.
If people cannot see at night..............DONT FECKIN DRIVE AT NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :stupid:
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I am all for a retest every 5 years after retirement age. And if I ever fail then that's one more sh*t driver off the road :rolleye:
I have a very hilly 18 mile commute to work on B-roads and due to poor driving my cycle commute at 55 mins tends to be only 15-20 mins slower than in my ED30........
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I am all for a retest every 5 years after retirement age. And if I ever fail then that's one more sh*t driver off the road :rolleye:
I have a very hilly 18 mile commute to work on B-roads and due to poor driving my cycle commute at 55 mins tends to be only 15-20 mins slower than in my ED30........
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