MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: SteveP on June 30, 2009, 08:42:56 pm
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Talk to me peoples :signLOL:
Who's running what and anyone got any advise/recommendations :smiley:
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(is listening too)
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The H&R ones get a great write up with the S3 boys but have you seen the price :sad:, ran Eibachs on the mk5 but had them fitted at the same time as the coilovers, the set-up was spot-on but don't know how much of it was the ARB's
ps your goin mod mad :laugh:
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Hurdy uses the hollow Autotech Lightweight ones.
Some people use the Eibachs, I think Robin....
I've been told that H&R make a very very good set of anti roll bars for the GTI, and they will be my choice in a couple of months :happy2:
Although, my tuner (Tuningwerkes) says that the H&R ARBS are the best, but there is not much between them and the Eibach ones in the real world
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The H&R ones get a great write up with the S3 boys but have you seen the price :sad:, ran Eibachs on the mk5 but had them fitted at the same time as the coilovers, the set-up was spot-on but don't know how much of it was the ARB's
ps your goin mod mad :laugh:
Cheers Gaz :happy2:
H&R was my initial thought but the price is way too high, I will have a look at German eBay me thinks :smiley:
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What prices have you found for the H&R? I've found the front and rear for £375 including VAT.
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^^^ About the same. :sad:
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Hmm yeah they are about £100 more expensive than the Eibachs. :sad1:
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think whiteline do some too....and you all know how good their WALK product is!
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think whiteline do some too....and you all know how good their WALK product is!
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I spoke to Sean (TT) at Inters and he isn't too happy with the whiteline ARB's. I think he's after something with even more control. :happy2:
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The Autotech lightweight ARB's are very good.......now that I have the uprated brackets!!
The added benefit is that they are around 30% stiffer weight for weight than the equivalent upgrades elsewhere. Normal solid ARB's weigh more than the OEM versions. These weigh less. :smiley:
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the autotech one's are quite expensive aren't they John?
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the autotech one's are quite expensive aren't they John?
Yes. :scared:
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^^^ The H&R's aren't exactly cheap though :sad1:
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compared with the autotech ones they are :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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compared with the autotech ones they are :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Here you are.....
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/listing/58/anti-roll-bars-arbs
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^^^ sh*t the bed, H&R's here I come :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Oh...don't look too closely at JBS's site as it can seriously affect your wealth!! :signLOL:
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Yep :scared: :scared:, have they just launched it as I don't remember them having one before??
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Oh...don't look too closely at JBS's site as it can seriously affect your wealth!! :signLOL:
Great website!!!
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Yep :scared: :scared:, have they just launched it as I don't remember them having one before??
They launched the site at Inters :happy2:
So you won't have seen all their car candy before :drool:
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was just about to say that, never had any dealings with JBS but their website is very easy to use, just spent about 3 grand on the other halfs Leon,
well in my head anyway :laugh:
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Yikes! Just checked the price of the H&R bars out! :surprised:
I bought a set that were in the Awesome GTi clearance section a couple of months back, box was battered about a bit and the front bar bushes had been greased in readiness for fitment until they realised they had ordered the wrong ones for the customer, i thought i'd just got a token £50 off for the above....
Got them for £199 inc vat, made up now lol! :happy2:
Better get them fitted now :laugh:
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was just about to say that, never had any dealings with JBS but their website is very easy to use, just spent about 3 grand on the other halfs Leon,
well in my head anyway :laugh:
LOL :signLOL:
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H&R and Autotech ARB's weren't available for the Mk5 GTI back in 2005. I've got Eibach but after 60k miles the bushes are shot and the brackets aren't great either - I've just replaced them.
In the wet you can get better tyre grip by undoing the ARB's I'm told.
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
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^^^ sh*t the bed, H&R's here I come
....I don't think I'll be sharing a room with you anytime in the near future until you've got your body under control!
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
where from Steve?
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do i need some ARB's you reckon?
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
where from Steve?
Indeed, thats a fantastic price!!!
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
where from Steve?
Indeed, thats a fantastic price!!!
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
where from Steve?
Indeed, thats a fantastic price!!!
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Doh, H&R ARB's purchased for a very reasonable £259 :wink: :happy2:
where from Steve?
Indeed, thats a fantastic price!!!
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VWSpeed had one new set listed on eBay, says they are brand new in the original box :smiley:
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I saw them, he's had them a few weeks, nice 1 :happy2:, did send him a message twice to see if he can get me some S3 1's and got no reply :sad:
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Fitted the eibach ARBs but along with the walk kit and KWv3s. You can feel the bars working in a bend when your carrying some speed into it. There a great mod for the car. The only problem i seem to be having is squeaking coming from the front bar which is a bit of a pain. They have only been on the car for a little over a month!
Is anyone else having this issue with them?
Iain
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Fitted the eibach ARBs but along with the walk kit and KWv3s. You can feel the bars working in a bend when your carrying some speed into it. There a great mod for the car. The only problem i seem to be having is squeaking coming from the front bar which is a bit of a pain. They have only been on the car for a little over a month!
Is anyone else having this issue with them?
Iain
....Do you mean it's only when the suspension is put under compression? By hard braking too?
I had this problem but more because my Eibach ARB bushes were needing greasing and were also fooked after about 60k miles. I have WALK plus KW-V3's too.
I suggest checking your ARB bushes and U-bracket mounts. If they're new, whoever fitted them may not have greased 'em up enough.
HTH :happy2:
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H&R are great kit - I had them on my last cars and they performed really well. Great bargain!
GazbutS3 - Mike & VWSpeed have just re-located to Manchester from Norwich, so as a one-man-band he's got a lot on his plate.. Always best to call him, rather than email. Mention my name and he'll sort you a deal too, he's a good friend of mine.
Autotech stuff, I know the guy who runs ops over in the States and he will ship direct to you and give a 10% discount - I forward an email and you do the rest yourself in terms of payment and delivery. Even with duty & the poor exchange it works out cheaper.
Squeaky bushes, they've possibly used something like copper grease instead of proper lube??? Shouldn't take you long to sort it..
Oh, and lastly - Robin's right.. you can set your ARBs to soft in the wet so you get a more progressive 'letting go' action. I wouldn't bother for the road, but I did it for a stinking wet track day at Donny last year :happy2:
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The guys did say that they did have a few cars running the eibach ARBs that were squeaking.
I tend to find it when there not working ie straight road but going over bumps. Will have a look and see if they need greased. what is the best stuff to use on the bushes.
Iain
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White lithium grease :happy2:
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The guys did say that they did have a few cars running the eibach ARBs that were squeaking.
I tend to find it when there not working ie straight road but going over bumps. Will have a look and see if they need greased. what is the best stuff to use on the bushes.
Iain
I had the same issue with the mk5 and Eibachs and as Mr Danze says it was down to the lube type
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It's all about the lube! :evilgrin:
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Top marks to VW Speed, the ARB's where delivered next day :happy2:
Had them fitted at VWR today and I was really impressed with the transformation, the car feels totally different and really sharp.
The turn in great and really gives you confidence in the car :driver:
Was also surprised to see the H&R kit included powerflex bushes too :smiley:
Another highly recommended mod for me :drinking:
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Steve - by any chance do you have the part number of the ARBS?
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Steve - by any chance do you have the part number of the ARBS?
You beat me to it Chris, I was going to ask the exact same question! How is work going?
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Glad you are enjoying them mate, these are gonna go on mine when I can stop spending money on beer and women :chicken:
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Steve - by any chance do you have the part number of the ARBS?
You beat me to it Chris, I was going to ask the exact same question! How is work going?
The ones I ordered where - 33258-1 (for cars with Xenon's)
For cars without I believe you need - 33258-3
These are the 26mm Front and 22mm Rear type ones :happy2:
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im suprised no one has mentioned about setting up of ARBs, and the best compromise on stiffness between front and rear etc.
I was informed
For front Wheel drive Cars-
a stiffer bar on the rear reduces understeer, a stiffer bar on the front increases understeer. Doing both bars reduces over all body roll, and keeps the cars geometry in check as well as reducing understeer, whilst still keeping the cars original balance.
For rear wheel drive cars it is the opposite-
stiffer front bar to reduce understeer, stiffer rear bar increases understeer.
I originally had my eibachs set up with front and rear on stiffest settings. but decided to trial it with the rear on the stiffest and front on the softest(still stiffer than Oem) and the turn in was noticably crisper.
i personnaly think the eibachs are great and make the car great to drive around the nurburgring, and unless always driving on smooth tracks needn't be increased.
getting ARBs that are massively stiff (For example: neuspeed rear 27mm bar on its stiffest setting is 200% stiffer than standard) is IMO to much. you lose the independence of the suspension on each side and the car will become jiddery over uneven surfaces as the bumps wil be transfered to both sides of the car via the ARB.
there are some guys out there who go figure hunting with the bigger is better ideas which isnt always right.
Id recommend anyone to try changing the stiffness of their front bars Its dead easy to do and try to feel the difference and set it up as you want. i thought mine was great until i loosened the front and it felt so much better.
This is all my opinion though im no expert at all. This has all come from conversations with guys in the know who have been tracking and setting up cars for a living etc, and i think doesmake alot of sense.
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My Eibach's were squeeky on my mk4 and they were fitted th same palce as Ian's so poss they are using the wrong lube?
VWR have their own ARB's to i did see them at Inters.
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Good advice.
With a staggered set up like Eibach, H&R etc which has a smaller rear bar then you put the rear 1 harder than the front to neutralise the handling.
Mine are matched @ 25mm front & rear, so I run them the same medium/medium. I found I can't deal with them on hard on anything other than an airfield type track day, it's too much on the road and certainly the likes of the 'Ring for sure... you need some body roll, despite what some 'bigger/harder is better' people say.
27mm race ARBs are just stupid on the road for an average driver, I wouldn't have them. Funny in the dry, dangerous in the wet.
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i fully agree with that. to stiff is definately not good in the wet, or bumpy roads. ive taken a reel interest in handling recently, with the amount of track work, as any weakness is very quickly realised.
im looking into a multitude of things at the moment. from wheel spacer for a wider track, TT adjustable lower arms, adjustable top mounts, poly bushes, LSDs etc, ive put the power hunt o hold a second
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i fully agree with that. to stiff is definately not good in the wet, or bumpy roads. ive taken a reel interest in handling recently, with the amount of track work, as any weakness is very quickly realised.
im looking into a multitude of things at the moment. from wheel spacer for a wider track, TT adjustable lower arms, adjustable top mounts, poly bushes, LSDs etc, ive put the power hunt o hold a second
....Very wise to sort out handling first rather than just chase big donkey numbers. I can corner faster than some cars which have much more power (obviously depending who's driving).
After 70k miles my rear suspension bushes are very compliant (a bit soft) but VWR advised me to keep it that way for better handling.
I know they look cool but I would advise having wheel spacers as a low priority regarding handling.
And keep to 18s as well, rather than 19s.
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robin, have you ever had any prolonged squeaks with the Eibach ARBs?
i know you have commented once or twice on them making noises, but once there greased properly in the bushes, does it shut them up for say, 12 months?
Or is it a case of, if you want the plus point of ARBs, you need to accept the down points for noise?
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well the power isnt that much on hold, i still installed a 3"dp and go stage 2 today :ashamed: but that was a bargain not to be ignored, but priority is handling and brakes.
ive only had the eibachs on for about 6000 miles now. so i should be ok for a second. I also have no intention to go to 19"wheels. tempted to put 235 wide tyres on when i next change instead of 225s
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robin, have you ever had any prolonged squeaks with the Eibach ARBs?
i know you have commented once or twice on them making noises, but once there greased properly in the bushes, does it shut them up for say, 12 months?
Or is it a case of, if you want the plus point of ARBs, you need to accept the down points for noise?
....Greasing them should shut them up for a year but it's the winter stuff which helps cause their loss of lube.
After 60k miles I've had to replace the ARB bushes now and VWR did so on the 70k miles service last week. Now got their bushes.
Generally, when you mod a car's suspension and with mileage, you should expect an increase in various sounds. At least the sounds can inform you what might need attention (once you have correctly located the source of noise!). I actually like some noise, though not squeaky bushes.