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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: MC71 on December 22, 2012, 03:27:47 pm
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Jack Reacher
Released from Boxing Day at the cinema.
I've enjoyed Lee Child's books for years with Jack Reacher as the central character so its off to the Cinema next week for the movie. I generally like Tom Cruise's movies so we shall see...
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My wife said in the books jack reacher is bigger than Tom cruise but so are most men :signLOL:
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Saw it last Tuesday as part of my unlimited cineworld pass. Really enjoyed it!!
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Im going to sound like a right muptard now. We have Cineworld Unlimited cards, can we see movies before they are on general release? Are these special previews for Cineworld members?
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I'm the same, loved the books. High hopes for this film, hope it doesn't disappoint :party:
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Me and the Mrs are going to see it on 28th, really looking forward to it :happy2:
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I'm the same, loved the books. High hopes for this film, hope it doesn't disappoint :party:
High hopes for the film, and High heels for Tom! :signLOL:
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My wife said in the books jack reacher is bigger than Tom cruise but so are most men :signLOL:
Reacher is 6'5" and 220-250lbs. Er sorry Tom but you don't quite measure up.
I believe Lee Child has defended it by saying it's how he projects himself. We shall see. :happy2:
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Defending himself saying chr-ching I would think
just looked up who actually is 6'5'':
Dolph Lundgren although he is getting on bit
Others are
Dwayne Johnson (the Rock)
Steven Seagal (he has done enough ex cop on the edge movies)
Liam Neeson (6'4") who knew ?
David Hasselhoff !
Wild card - Jonathan Frankes (6'4") if he put some gym time in
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I thought Gerard butler would have been good due to his role gamer
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Chris Hemsworth would have worked.
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I'm not a great Tom Cruise fan but apparently he does all his own stunt work and he is undoubtedly pretty good at it. Is he also involved in providing money and co-producing this movie?
^ Both possible good reasons why he is playing the main role.
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http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/fullcredits
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Im going to sound like a right muptard now. We have Cineworld Unlimited cards, can we see movies before they are on general release? Are these special previews for Cineworld members?
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Yes. You should get regular emails from Cineworld advising. If you have opted out of Cineworld emails, the. You won't find out. We've been to about 6-7 Pre release showings this year.
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http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/fullcredits
....Yep, as I thought: Tom Cruise is a co-producer and will have put money into the film project and had some control. He is also a big box office attraction of course.
Thanks, Hedge :happy2:
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I am just finishing the last of Lee Child's books to bring me up to date. The Jack Reacher character is one to be truly admired.
Tom Cruise is a very good actor and in theory can pull it off once you get past the size conundrum.
If you read Robin then please read some of these books, in fact if you read one you will be hooked.
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I like the fight clip in the trailer, where Tom goes "Seriously?" and I'm expecting the two goons to go "tell me about it, what are you 5'6", 5'7" ? :-)
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The fight scenes in the books are excellent.
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I might actually go watch this... Thought it may be another Bourne knock off!
Many people on here recommend the books.... i took a quick look on Amazon and discovered that a fair few have been written over the years!
How many books have been written to date? What do you reckon, start from the beginning and work forward to present day?
Thanks
Richard
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I would start at the beginning as you learn a lot about Jack as you go along but its not essential IMO. I think I've read most of them, can't remember (even after looking on Amazon :ashamed:). I read the other day there have been 17 books with Jack Reacher as the central character, seems right over the past 15 years. Have never bought one, nick my dads "hand me downs".
Cheers Pop :evilgrin:
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Crikey, I don't have time to read so many books. It's taken me a year to read Keith Richards' autobiog :notworthy:
My next book is "Mr Nice" autobiog by Howard Marks. I don't tend to read fiction/novels, I prefer movies.
A close friend of mine who knows a lot about what's happened in my life keeps telling me that I should write a book but A) I'm not famous, and B) I don't 'kiss and tell' and I'd probably get shot by someone if I did!
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Crikey, I don't have time to read so many books. It's taken me a year to read Keith Richards' autobiog :notworthy:
My next book is "Mr Nice" autobiog by Howard Marks. I don't tend to read fiction/novels, I prefer movies.
A close friend of mine who knows a lot about what's happened in my life keeps telling me that I should write a book but A) I'm not famous, and B) I don't 'kiss and tell' and I'd probably get shot by someone if I did!
Mr Nice is a good book, I quite a read of "True Crime/Autobiographies" as it shows both sides of the criminals and the police forces catching them (and what lengths the police forces go to, to catch them).
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Crikey, I don't have time to read so many books. It's taken me a year to read Keith Richards' autobiog :notworthy:
My next book is "Mr Nice" autobiog by Howard Marks. I don't tend to read fiction/novels, I prefer movies.
A close friend of mine who knows a lot about what's happened in my life keeps telling me that I should write a book but A) I'm not famous, and B) I don't 'kiss and tell' and I'd probably get shot by someone if I did!
Mr Nice is one of the best books I've ever read. It is completely gripping, beautifully written, and I could barely put it down. I prefer auto biogs as well, I prefer stories on the silver screen.
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My daughter bought me "Mr Nice" to read. Like Keith Richards, it's my generation and so I can relate to it all very strongly. :happy2:
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Agree with Mr Nice. Keith Moon autobiography is also great.
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Agree with Mr Nice. Keith Moon autobiography is also great.
....Thanks for the Keith Moon heads-up. I can't imagine him writing his autobiography!
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^^^^ i cant imagine him remembering anything that happened let a lone writing it down. :notworthy:
Quote from Roger Daltrey...
"I think if Keith Moon was here today and you asked him to recall most of his early life or most of his life, he wouldn't be able to recall it."
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Agree with Mr Nice. Keith Moon autobiography is also great.
....Thanks for the Keith Moon heads-up. I can't imagine him writing his autobiography!
I'm not sure he could write! Great book, tragic, exhilarating and fascinating in equal measures. I only tend to read auto biogs. Another favourite is Richard Bransons.
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Let's be honest Tom is too small for many of the characters he has portrayed over the years (Especcially when tney put him with 5'9"+ leading ladies) but we should all be used to it by now, we put up with it from lickle Mel Gibson all these years :signLOL:
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I wouldn't mind if the writer didn't bang on about Reacher's size every five minutes in the books
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Loved the film but think it was basically let down by Cruise. They should have got someone else to play it. Even when he's trying to be intimidating, he comes across as too much of a nice guy.
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So I went and saw this today and I have to admit that Tom gets away with it.
Superb film, helped by the fact I had forgotten a large chunk from reading the book some time ago.
Rosamund Pike - lovely jubblies. Well worth a look. :happy2:
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Rosamund Pike - lovely jubblies. Well worth a look. :happy2:
+1! Made the majority of the men in the audience smile on a few occasions! :happy2:
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TC (that's Tom Cruise, not Top Cat) was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he does ALL the driving in the movie.
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Rosamund Pike was also on the Graham Norton Show. :love:
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I thought that Rosamund was a very nice lady indeed but she didn't excite me to perv on - Not like Emily Blunt for example. :happy2:
That Graham Norton Show is nearly always good - He's very good at inviting an interesting and unexpected mix of guests and he's very witty. Much better IMO than Jonathong Woss.
HAPPY NEW YEAR, IAN! :drinking:
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So I went and saw this today and I have to admit that Tom gets away with it.
Superb film, helped by the fact I had forgotten a large chunk from reading the book some time ago.
Rosamund Pike - lovely jubblies. Well worth a look. :happy2:
Caught this the other day and totally agree with you Hedge, was very entertaining. Rosamund Pike :love:
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I want to see this tomorrow but I will have the kids. Can anyone thats seen it say whether there is anything inappropriate for an 8 and 12 year old?
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Of course some fighting but nothing horrific, only one use of f**k as far as I can recall.
It's a 12A if that helps. :happy2:
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Of course some fighting but nothing horrific, only one use of f**k as far as I can recall.
It's a 12A if that helps. :happy2:
Sounds cool then, they've watched things like Mission Impossible, Total Recall and Batman so I'd imagine this would be fine! :happy2:
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What's the verdict then sweetheart?
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What's the verdict then sweetheart?
I thought it was awesome. The Mrs on the other hand wasn't so impressed and decided to take the youngest shopping when the bit with the 'fingers' came on! :scared:
It was proabably a bit darker than the last few 12's we have seen so probably best she didn't see the rest! :happy2:
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Ah ok glad you enjoyed it. You didn't specify a target age. :ashamed:
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I was a bit concerned about some aspects. IMO it should have been a 15.
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Never a 15.
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I've have happily had some more blood and gore for it to each it. :wink:
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I was a bit concerned about some aspects. IMO it should have been a 15.
I thought you were older than 15 Jaz?
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I am. I just don't think it was as suitable for kids under 12 and I hate the new 12A rating for films. Either make it a 12/15 or PG.
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I am. I just don't think it was as suitable for kids under 12 and I hate the new 12A rating for films. Either make it a 12/15 or PG.
Funny as I had pretty much the same conversation with my 12 year old this afternoon. Films like the last Batman and Mission Impossible films were both 12's and neither were as dark as this.
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Saw this movie last week and god knows how they got a 12A for it. :confused:
Is it me getting older but do movies nowadays with swearing in and above moderate levels of violence seem to carry lower rating than previously.
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Saw this movie last week and god knows how they got a 12A for it. :confused:
Is it me getting older but do movies nowadays with swearing in and above moderate levels of violence seem to carry lower rating than previously.
They usually start out as 18 / 15 certificate then they keep trimming the footage until the licensing board are happy it is a 12 cert. This way they make a lot more money.
They did the same for the Woman in Black, which is a 12 cert. - it's not the scariest of films, but tbf I think it would have most 12 year olds bricking themselves, lol.
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I'd have never taken an 8 year old to it, far too adult themed to be honest.
Glad everyone is enjoying the movie though. I did too.
2013 is going to be a great year for films. Cant wait, as i am a massive cinema going movie lover!!!
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Went and saw this last night with my brother and my mum (My father and sister in law wanted to see Life of Pi, so they were in the next screen watching that :happy2:), at the end I thought... meh ok
Nothing spectacular and altho Tom brought the money and his company helped produce it he really was too small for the role (Hi leading lady towered over him AGAIN) :signLOL:
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Went and saw this last night with my brother and my mum (My father and sister in law wanted to see Life of Pi, so they were in the next screen watching that :happy2:), at the end I thought... meh ok
Nothing spectacular and altho Tom brought the money and his company helped produce it he really was too small for the role (Hi leading lady towered over him AGAIN) :signLOL:
You are very heightist. :grin:
My leading lady is taller than me too. But then again, Warwick Davis is nearly as tall as me. :signLOL:
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Not heightist really, would you have cast Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as Bilbo Baggins?, same theory applied :signLOL:
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Not heightist really, would you have cast Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as Bilbo Baggins?, same theory applied :signLOL:
Yeah i know what you are saying! :happy2:
In fact, i watched Fast Five a couple of weeks ago, and was quite impressed with The Rocks acting. Its a lot better now than the first film i saw him in. Also, he was quite funny in The Tooth Fairy.
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Not heightist really, would you have cast Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as Bilbo Baggins?, same theory applied :signLOL:
Yeah i know what you are saying! :happy2:
In fact, i watched Fast Five a couple of weeks ago, and was quite impressed with The Rocks acting. Its a lot better now than the first film i saw him in. Also, he was quite funny in The Tooth Fairy.
Yeah he is getting better, and his roles have varied, would like to see him in something "Gritty" to see how he fares.
P.S. Tom Cruise would have made a good Bilbo Baggins they would have spent a lot less on CGI making the actor look smaller :signLOL:
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Not heightist really, would you have cast Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as Bilbo Baggins?, same theory applied :signLOL:
Yeah i know what you are saying! :happy2:
In fact, i watched Fast Five a couple of weeks ago, and was quite impressed with The Rocks acting. Its a lot better now than the first film i saw him in. Also, he was quite funny in The Tooth Fairy.
Yeah he is getting better, and his roles have varied, would like to see him in something "Gritty" to see how he fares.
P.S. Tom Cruise would have made a good Bilbo Baggins they would have spent a lot less on CGI making the actor look smaller :signLOL:
Martin Freeman is the same height as Tom Cruise! :wink:
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There are a few that would have pulled it off build wise. Chris Hemsworth springs to mind.
Having said that though I thought Tom did ok and if I hadn't read the books where his physique is one of his most talked about attributes then it wouldn't have bothered me at all.
Lets see what (if) the next one brings.
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I don't think that any film has to faithfully reproduce the content of a book. Being different media they each provide something special that the other can't.
Tom Cruise had the resources to make the film possible and the stunt skills to play the part - If movie makers get too precious about a book providing a script or inspiration, then said movie ain't gonna happen.
Most movie goers don't necessarily read books anyway.
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There are a few that would have pulled it off build wise. Chris Hemsworth springs to mind.
Having said that though I thought Tom did ok and if I hadn't read the books where his physique is one of his most talked about attributes then it wouldn't have bothered me at all.
Lets see what (if) the next one brings.
Christian Bale would have got my vote for the role, good actor, correct size, he has proved he can lose/add weight (Tha Machinist) so bulking up for the role would nto have been hard for him either :happy2:
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Sure, but there are so many factors which influence which actors get parts, irrespective of who we think would be best suited. Money and availability are just two. Also, which actor usually achieves the biggest box office income - It's all about money, especially in America.
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There are a few that would have pulled it off build wise. Chris Hemsworth springs to mind.
Having said that though I thought Tom did ok and if I hadn't read the books where his physique is one of his most talked about attributes then it wouldn't have bothered me at all.
Lets see what (if) the next one brings.
Christian Bale would have got my vote for the role, good actor, correct size, he has proved he can lose/add weight (Tha Machinist) so bulking up for the role would nto have been hard for him either :happy2:
No I agree. Maybe they don't go to the same church with Tom being the producer that's bound to be a factor. :wink:
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Is Tom Cruise still into his churchy stuff?
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He is the "face" of scientolo-
crapgy
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He is the "face" of scientolo-crapgy
....I try to be as open minded as possible about people's religious beliefs but do find Scientology somewhat strange.
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If you aren't going to be faithful to the book why base it on the book. It isn't exactly Harry Potter. It is based on the book to pull in people that have read it.
Bloke gets angry and beats people up to make things right is hardly new material for Hollywood so the least than can do is have a big bloke doing the beating. The only way I can see Tom Cruise being a MP is if MP stands for miniature person. :-)
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He is the "face" of scientolo-crapgy
....I try to be as open minded as possible about people's religious beliefs but do find Scientology somewhat strange.
Each to their own opinion I say.................................My opinion is its too funny to take seriously
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They are as mad as a box of frogs that lot. Love the fact that we are all aliens (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1049.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs399%2Fmcaborn%2Fbca3f2fea6d9d92ad379e74e4d58abf6.jpg&hash=dfad9002361792b8ffcd8897c7ebbf33128a5f7a) in their thing!
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If you aren't going to be faithful to the book why base it on the book. It isn't exactly Harry Potter. It is based on the book to pull in people that have read it.
Bloke gets angry and beats people up to make things right is hardly new material for Hollywood so the least than can do is have a big bloke doing the beating. The only way I can see Tom Cruise being a MP is if MP stands for miniature person. :-)
Have you read the book Pete?
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I've read all the books except the very latest. Don't get me wrong it's a good story but I don't think it would be difficult to do an original tough guy saves friend from fame up movie without needing the books.
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I agree Pete. I set myself a challenge last summer to read all the ones I hadn't so bought about 7 or 8 from Amazon plus got one from a friend. I have the last one and the current one to do once it's on paperback.
Having seen the film I have to say Tiny Tom manages to get away with it. True if you were following the books to the letter then he really ought to be 6'5" and 250lbs but it wasn't until halfway through that I even thought of that.
Lee Child needs to crack on and get writing some more. :party:
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Having seen the film I have to say Tiny Tom manages to get away with it. True if you were following the books to the letter then he really ought to be 6'5" and 250lbs but it wasn't until halfway through that I even thought of that.
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The power to hinder or help our own individual enjoyment of any movie is within us. Is your glass half empty or half full?
Enjoy the book for all the imaginative depth which only well written books can offer, and enjoy the movie for all the action entertainment which only good movies can offer. Enjoy both, as Hedge has done.
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I have always liked the books and was a tad apprehensive watching the movie as over the years I'd build up an idea of Jack Reacher's appearance and also his character. Tiny Tom is not Jack Reacher as I see him but if you go with it, that soon gets forgotten and I enjoyed the movie for what it was.
If you aren't going to be faithful to the book why base it on the book. It isn't exactly Harry Potter. It is based on the book to pull in people that have read it.
Bloke gets angry and beats people up to make things right is hardly new material for Hollywood so the least than can do is have a big bloke doing the beating. The only way I can see Tom Cruise being a MP is if MP stands for miniature person. :-)
We had this discussion on the way home from the cinema and I reckon that by using the "Jack Reacher" name the movie makers already had a ready made audience and as Tom was part funding/producing the thing no one else was getting the lead role. Although with Tom Cruise's star appeal you could have called the movie "Joe Bloggs" and had the same script and we would have been none the wiser.
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I think some of the Jack Reacher stuff TC was able to pull off and do so really well. But he just wasn't menacing enough and that was down to stature/size. By the end of the film, I was a fan of Reacher but not TC's portrayal of it.
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Tom Cruise is never going to be convincing as a hard hitting tough guy like actors such as Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, Robert DeNiro, Christopher Walken, Denzel Washington, and so many others.
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^^^^ now your talking, Clint would have been perfect. :notworthy:
I watched Gran Torino a couple of months back for the first time and that man has presence in bucket loads. I wouldn't mess with him now and he's 80 odd.
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Clint would have made a good job of directing it too, not that whoever directed the Jack Reacher movie didn't (I haven't seen the movie or read the books).
One of my favourite movies is Clint Eastwood's first ever as a Director - "The Outlaw Josey Wales" :notworthy:
Presence and charisma is something which Tom Cruise simply doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, he's very good but he doesn't have it.
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Have a read and see where Reacher comes from.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8766396/lee-child-jim-grant-jack-reacher (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8766396/lee-child-jim-grant-jack-reacher)
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Apparently, Tom Cruise bought the rights to the books before the author was famous. It looks like it is proving to have been a financially very worthwhile investment and no-one else was ever going to get a look-in to play the role of Jack Reacher. The ambitions of short men, eh.