MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Mk5 GTian on December 23, 2012, 06:14:51 pm
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The Mark 3 VW Golf GTi has been voted the worst hot hatch of all time by Autocar. They commented:
"...with a pathetic 115bhp, it could barely get out of it's own way"!! :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Don't tell Deako :laugh:
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The Mark 3 VW Golf GTi has been voted the worst hot hatch of all time by Autocar. They commented:
"...with a pathetic 115bhp, it could barely get out of it's own way"!! :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Still a cheap daily.
The 16v is a lot better though. Did they forget about that one?
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What's it like on petrol Luke?
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Great engine in the 16V. I don't think they were referring to that one. One of my mates has one, and I reckon it would win 'Most shiny plastic on dash of a hot hatch' every time! Furthermore, his Mrs can beat him in her Renault Modus! :ashamed:
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Good car nowadays for the money, at the time I hated them, fell out of love between the Mk2 and Mk4's. :sad1:
Saw DEAKO had bought a nice looking cheap one and thought its a lot of car for the money! Funny how time changes things.
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The Mk4 1.8T GTi was poor for a GTi as well. I did 40,000 miles in one. It was a nice, luxury Golf with cracking seats and interior, but was never worthy of the GTi badge. For me, there have only been four (soon to be five) generations of real GTi.
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I agree with them, it's just as bad as the mk4, heavy and under powered :happy2:
You do need to take price into consideration tho, they cost naff all and are vw so are still strong and will still be here like the mk1 is, good cheap cars and some are good specs too, just need to be more powerful or loose weight
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The Mk4 1.8T GTi was poor for a GTi as well. I did 40,000 miles in one. It was a nice, luxury Golf with cracking seats and interior, but was never worthy of the GTi badge. For me, there have only been four (soon to be five) generations of real GTi.
I liked my mk4 golf 1.8t, if was the longest I'd ever had a car
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I think the MK4 2.0na 'GTI' should take that particular honour surely? It musy have weighed nearly 3t! :laugh:
I thought the 1.8t wasn't a bad car though! Not as good as a MK5 out of the box no, but lots of potential.
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I think the MK4 2.0na 'GTI' should take that particular honour surely? It musy have weighed nearly 3t! :laugh:
I thought the 1.8t wasn't a bad car though! Not as good as a MK5 out of the box no, but lots of potential.
I agree Greeners, it was a pretty good car, but not good enough in terms of performance and handling to justify the GTi moniker. It used to wallow around corners and roundabouts, and was such a huge dissapointment compared to my Mk2 16V.
And I agree that the 2.0 non-turbo and 1.8 non-turbo 20V were easily as bad as the Mk3 GTi.
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i would of thought the worst car was naming cars like the mg metro-maestro-montego
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What's it like on petrol Luke?
Not great to be honest, but it needs a good service and a new crank sensor. But I've vowed not to spend anything on it but petrol. I'll be getting something else in April when I have saved every last penny for our house!! :wink:
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I came to my ED30 from a MK 3 Gti. Terrible Gti, great car ie slow as fook but it was a 95 N with 173,000 on the clock when I got rid and is still going now I think. I think the 16v would have been ok, the vr6 had a terrible power to weight ratio and mpg was dire.
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The mk3 GTI and the mk4 GTI are the reasons I defected to their parent brand and I started buying SEATs instead. IMO the ibiza GTI/GTI16v were better than the mk3s and the Leon cupra/cupraR were better than the mk4s
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As far as upholding and earning the right to carry the GTI badge, the Mk3 and 4's were generally thought of as relatively unworthy. However, the Mk5 restored the reputation of the GTI brand and is the basis of the Mk6. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, so we can't form a conclusive opinion about the Mk7 GTI yet.
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The mk3 GTI and the mk4 GTI are the reasons I defected to their parent brand and I started buying SEATs instead. IMO the ibiza GTI/GTI16v were better than the mk3s and the Leon cupra/cupraR were better than the mk4s
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agree, leon cupra r was far better than the VW Mk 4
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I had a Mk3 VR6 Highline and it was a sublime car. Not as good as the 2x Mk2 VR conversions I owned/converted.
I've had a few Mk2 with ABF/9a 2.0 16v conversions and a Mk1 with a 2.0 ABF. Great engine in the right car, especially tunes to 180bhp!! :)
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As far as upholding and earning the right to carry the GTI badge, the Mk3 and 4's were generally thought of as relatively unworthy. However, the Mk5 restored the reputation of the GTI brand and is the basis of the Mk6. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, so we can't form a conclusive opinion about the Mk7 GTI yet.
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Totally agree Robin. I did 115k in a mk2 GTi 16V over 7 years. I only sold it in 2005 as it was on 213,000 and I was going to University so wanted something newer and less likely to go tits up half-way through my course.
I bought a 2000 V plate 1.8T with 50K for £6,500. I have to say, it was possibly one of the worst decisions of my life! I could have kept the money in the bank, and used it for spares and repairs on the Mk2! I bet I wouldn't have spent anywhere near the amount I lost on depreciation of the Mk 4 'GTi'! And it was sh1t!
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I had a Mk3 VR6 Highline and it was a sublime car. Not as good as the 2x Mk2 VR conversions I owned/converted.
I've had a few Mk2 with ABF/9a 2.0 16v conversions and a Mk1 with a 2.0 ABF. Great engine in the right car, especially tunes to 180bhp!! :)
I've got a friend who is building a mk2 vr6, what are they like? :popcornsoda:
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I had a Mk3 VR6 Highline and it was a sublime car. Not as good as the 2x Mk2 VR conversions I owned/converted.
I've had a few Mk2 with ABF/9a 2.0 16v conversions and a Mk1 with a 2.0 ABF. Great engine in the right car, especially tunes to 180bhp!! :)
I've got a friend who is building a mk2 vr6, what are they like? :popcornsoda:
Awesome. A friend still owns the last one I built. Would love to buy it back.
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A MKIII with a 1.8/2.0T would be a cracking and cheap(ish) track car.
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I've seen a mega mk3 fire it's way around crashel coombe. Straight cut gearbox, went like the clappers. :-)
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Seems harsh to class it as the worst hot hatch of all time!....... I think it might have been fair to say biggest disappointment of all time after the mk1 and mk2.
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Seems harsh to class it as the worst hot hatch of all time!....... I think it might have been fair to say biggest disappointment of all time after the mk1 and mk2.
I don't think it should actually be called a hot hatch, thinking about it. With 115 bhp, it's barely luke-warm.
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The Mk4 1.8T GTi was poor for a GTi as well. I did 40,000 miles in one. It was a nice, luxury Golf with cracking seats and interior, but was never worthy of the GTi badge. For me, there have only been four (soon to be five) generations of real GTi.
I've driven the 150 and the 180bhp version of these and in all honesty they're not bad, you get recaros etc and they handle OK. Not a patch on the mk5 though :happy2:
The non turbo mk4 GTI's were :sick:
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The Mk4 1.8T GTi was poor for a GTi as well. I did 40,000 miles in one. It was a nice, luxury Golf with cracking seats and interior, but was never worthy of the GTi badge. For me, there have only been four (soon to be five) generations of real GTi.
I've driven the 150 and the 180bhp version of these and in all honesty they're not bad, you get recaros etc and they handle OK. Not a patch on the mk5 though :happy2:
The non turbo mk4 GTI's were :sick:
They're not bad, but not good. For a hot hatch, they are only mediocre.
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I had a 1.8 20v mk4 gti (120bhp) and it was shockingly slow. Very reliable though
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I had a 1.8 20v mk4 gti (120bhp) and it was shockingly slow. Very reliable though
Unfortunately, it weighed more than a small asteroid. With that power it was indeed sheeeit.
The best Mk4 were the later 1.8t with 180ps. Used in the Annoversary and then standard in late spec models, as pointed out above. Although the lump was a bit heavier, the 150ps GT TDI was great in the Mk4 as well.
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The Mk4 1.8T GTi was poor for a GTi as well. I did 40,000 miles in one. It was a nice, luxury Golf with cracking seats and interior, but was never worthy of the GTi badge. For me, there have only been four (soon to be five) generations of real GTi.
I've driven the 150 and the 180bhp version of these and in all honesty they're not bad, you get recaros etc and they handle OK. Not a patch on the mk5 though :happy2:
The non turbo mk4 GTI's were :sick:
I agree, at least ( on the Mk4 GTi) when you ordered the Recaro full leather option it was like sitting among a herd of cattle, not like the MK5 with the plastic bolsters and horrendous plastic film on the real leather :sick:
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I was lead to believe the best mk4 was a tdi anniversary? Never seen one myself but looking ebay just now they seem decent and have held there value, how true it is that the tdi was the best mk4 I don't know but I'd be pretty pissed off if a tdi was better than the petrol gti :signLOL:
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I was lead to believe the best mk4 was a tdi anniversary? Never seen one myself but looking ebay just now they seem decent and have held there value, how true it is that the tdi was the best mk4 I don't know but I'd be pretty pissed off if a tdi was better than the petrol gti :signLOL:
Yeah, the TDI anniversary had it all :smiley:
Great seats, dials, BBS wheels, subtle bodykit and the engine was good for 200bhp after a remap :happy2:
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I was lead to believe the best mk4 was a tdi anniversary? Never seen one myself but looking ebay just now they seem decent and have held there value, how true it is that the tdi was the best mk4 I don't know but I'd be pretty pissed off if a tdi was better than the petrol gti :signLOL:
The best Mk4? Really? I'll take a Mk4 R32 every day of the week!!!
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Im going to be selling my Mk3 GTI in April. Im thinking of advertising it as an Anniversary 8v GTI. :booty:
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I had a 150 PD Anniversary. I wouldn't say it was better than the 1.8T though.
It's about time the MKIII got some love, they're a nice car overall - just need some powers, the handling has loads of potential, being basically a widetrack MKII.
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We had a 130 PD for 4 years and was a great car but as said it weighed far too much. Think there was more troubles with the 150 PD so we chipped the 130 and it was fine.
Must say the best mk4 tho is the R32 :happy2:
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
I think Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R 225 drivers might have a good case to claim that award!
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
I think Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R 225 drivers might have a good case to claim that award!
A lot of people forget about the MK4 Golf v5. I had one and it was pretty good and faster than the GTi in either 2.0 or 1.8 turbo. The 5 cylinder engine sounded just like an old Audi Quattro!
Chopped it in though for a Seat Leon Cupra TDI 150 PD which being the same platform as the mk4 golf still felt better to drive. Loved that car as it gave over 40mpg regardless of how it was driven :laugh:
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
I think Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R 225 drivers might have a good case to claim that award!
A lot of people forget about the MK4 Golf v5. I had one and it was pretty good and faster than the GTi in either 2.0 or 1.8 turbo. The 5 cylinder engine sounded just like an old Audi Quattro!
Chopped it in though for a Seat Leon Cupra TDI 150 PD which being the same platform as the mk4 golf still felt better to drive. Loved that car as it gave over 40mpg regardless of how it was driven :laugh:
There were 2 versions of the V5 though. The 150bhp isnt worth shouting about. The 170bhp was a little better.
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I had a couple of MK3 gti 8v's I had a p plate 5 door for a few years as a run about and it was bulletproof then got a mk3 anni 8v was mint cleaned it up made a few quid on it after owning it for a 9 months there nice comfortable cars just not very quick
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
I think Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R 225 drivers might have a good case to claim that award!
A lot of people forget about the MK4 Golf v5. I had one and it was pretty good and faster than the GTi in either 2.0 or 1.8 turbo. The 5 cylinder engine sounded just like an old Audi Quattro!
Chopped it in though for a Seat Leon Cupra TDI 150 PD which being the same platform as the mk4 golf still felt better to drive. Loved that car as it gave over 40mpg regardless of how it was driven :laugh:
I've had a few of these too and they are very good cars. The 5 cylinder really gives it a luxury feel and go's pretty well too with an awesome soundtrack! I used to often get 40+mpg too, even from the auto I had! :happy2:
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I didnt like the Mk3 when it came out , but i have to say I do now , its a more interesting car than a Mk4. The best Mk4 GTI was of course a Mk1 Skoda Octavia vRS. :happy2:
I think Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R 225 drivers might have a good case to claim that award!
A lot of people forget about the MK4 Golf v5. I had one and it was pretty good and faster than the GTi in either 2.0 or 1.8 turbo. The 5 cylinder engine sounded just like an old Audi Quattro!
Chopped it in though for a Seat Leon Cupra TDI 150 PD which being the same platform as the mk4 golf still felt better to drive. Loved that car as it gave over 40mpg regardless of how it was driven :laugh:
There were 2 versions of the V5 though. The 150bhp isnt worth shouting about. The 170bhp was a little better.
Mine was the 170bhp version :happy2:
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I had a Mk 3 GTI 16v and loved it. Would have one of those over a Mk 2 any day :happy2: