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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Mk5 GTian on December 30, 2012, 09:23:55 am
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In days of old, you'd have to slay a dragon, or at least rescue a princess from a dastardly Lord's castle.
Nowadays it seems you can get one for winning a bicycle race!
Shouldn't you have to do something truely heroic for the top gong? Sir Ian Botham was awarded his primarily for his incredible charity work, as well as incredible cricketing feats. His long-distance endurance walks have raised over £12million for various charities, primarily Leukaemia Research.
What do you think?
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Totally agree
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He won 2 bicycle races to be fair.
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He won the toughest endurance race on earth, something no other Brit has ever achieved... I think that deserves a little recognition!
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He won the toughest endurance race on earth, something no other Brit has ever achieved... I think that deserves a little recognition!
I agree, It does deserve 'a little recognition'. But a knighthood is a bit more than that!
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He won 2 bicycle races to be fair.
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Oh good topic sir :congrats:
I was of the view honours were more for recognition of a life time of achievements both for members of the public who give up so much to help others and for celebrities (a very much over used word) who quite rightly as you say like ian botham and roger moore who do so much for charities.
I take nothing away from bradley wiggins whose achievements this year have been remarkable especially in the light of the lance armstrong affair, but I feel that some of these honours are given out on the strength of there perceived popularity with the public.
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To be fair to Wiggo, he's won quite a few more bike races than the two in 2012 that he's become most famous for. He was a prolific track rider before switching disciplines to road racing. He's won more medals than any other British Olympian so if they're dishing gongs out for services to sport, he has to be top of the list?
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I take nothing away from bradley wiggins whose achievements this year have been remarkable especially in the light of the lance armstrong affair, but I feel that some of these honours are given out on the strength of there perceived popularity with the public.
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I'm a great fan of 'Wiggo' and an ex cyclist who has known the physical suffering (my bike could have won the Tour de France but I couldn't!), but I agree - A Knighthood is too much and I expect that Wiggo himself also thinks so. But 'Wiggo' has done more for cycling sport than (Sir) Chris Hoy AFAIK - He's not a newcomer. Furthermore, I expect that 'Wiggo' will use his knighthood and fame to good effect - Compulsory cycling helmets and public bike licencing please!
Now, as for the lovely Jessica Ennis..................
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FHotties%2FJessicaEnnis_bum.jpg&hash=26f82d1779f0a8208ed55107518f1327d36878eb)
She deserves an award for that arse alone! :notworthy:
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I take nothing away from bradley wiggins whose achievements this year have been remarkable especially in the light of the lance armstrong affair, but I feel that some of these honours are given out on the strength of there perceived popularity with the public.
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I'm a great fan of 'Wiggo' and an ex cyclist who has known the physical suffering (my bike could have won the Tour de France but I couldn't!), but I agree - A Knighthood is too much and I expect that Wiggo himself also thinks so. But 'Wiggo' has done more for cycling sport than (Sir) Chris Hoy AFAIK - He's not a newcomer. Furthermore, I expect that 'Wiggo' will use his knighthood and fame to good effect - Compulsory cycling helmets and public bike licencing please!
Now, as for the lovely Jessica Ennis..................
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FHotties%2FJessicaEnnis_bum.jpg&hash=26f82d1779f0a8208ed55107518f1327d36878eb)
She deserves an award for that arse alone! :notworthy:
Well I'd certainly like to park in there, and I'm not talking about my bicycle!!
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He's the best in the world at something that requires a lot of effort and dedication. If that inspires one kid to get off their fat arse and do real sport, instead of Playstation sport, then that's good with me.
Now, MPs being knighted, that gets on my tits. They're paid very well to do a job, and with very few exceptions never go above and beyond their remit. However they seem to throw honours around the house like confetti.
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He's the best in the world at something that requires a lot of effort and dedication. If that inspires one kid to get off their fat arse and do real sport, instead of Playstation sport, then that's good with me.
Now, MPs being knighted, that gets on my tits. They're paid very well to do a job, and with very few exceptions never go above and beyond their remit. However they seem to throw honours around the house like confetti.
....I don't have a problem with Wiggo's award. I only wonder what he thinks about it.
The reason that MP's get sprinkled with honours is to do with them being in The House Of Commons and the pure politics of passing into The House Of Lords. The Lords are the next rung up on The Establishment's ladder of power.
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How dare you suggest that Sir Bradley hasn't earned his knighthood? Sir Wiggo beat the French in France. Even the Duke of Wellington didn't manage that!
(According to Wikipedia, Waterloo was in Holland but has moved to Belgium).
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Multiple Olympic medals, World Championships, National titles and the Tour de France.
I damn well think Wiggo deserves a Knighthood along with all those like Sir Chris Hoy, Vicky Pendleton.
Cycling is a tough persons sport make no mistake.
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"Sirs" used to be far and few between , to get one for his achievements is demeaning of otheres who have done alot more for society (What has he done for society) their reward is their Salary and medals etc. They do not need honours to "Pat them on the back" the "Honours System" is there for those people that go unrewarded and achieve exceptional unrewarded things. I disagree with most awards/recognition having refused several in my current position . I do not believe the sportstars deserve this recognition . But then our Government reccommend who to give them to anyway , so its not "The Queen" who chooses them anyway , she just gives them out/approves them
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Multiple Olympic medals, World Championships, National titles and the Tour de France.
I damn well think Wiggo deserves a Knighthood along with all those like Sir Chris Hoy, Vicky Pendleton.
Cycling is a tough persons sport make no mistake.
EXACTLY what i have been saying , he has been rewarded with medals and titles already , he doesn't need another one . Give them to people who haven't been awarded/recognised , that was the point of them in the first place but as usual we move the goalsposts !
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I don't see why he shouldn't get a knighthood; Jimmy S got one and he was a paedophile.
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I take nothing away from bradley wiggins whose achievements this year have been remarkable especially in the light of the lance armstrong affair, but I feel that some of these honours are given out on the strength of there perceived popularity with the public.
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I'm a great fan of 'Wiggo' and an ex cyclist who has known the physical suffering (my bike could have won the Tour de France but I couldn't!), but I agree - A Knighthood is too much and I expect that Wiggo himself also thinks so. But 'Wiggo' has done more for cycling sport than (Sir) Chris Hoy AFAIK - He's not a newcomer. Furthermore, I expect that 'Wiggo' will use his knighthood and fame to good effect - Compulsory cycling helmets and public bike licencing please!
Now, as for the lovely Jessica Ennis..................
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FHotties%2FJessicaEnnis_bum.jpg&hash=26f82d1779f0a8208ed55107518f1327d36878eb)
She deserves an award for that arse alone! :notworthy:
Well I'd certainly like to park in there, and I'm not talking about my bicycle!!
RedRobin your something else! :signLOL:
I'm a massive fan of hers and boy I wouldn't just get sweaty with her, I'd much rather get drenched!! :grin: :grin:
@ OP its definitely a little overboard to get a knighthood but thats my personal opinion.
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One thing is for sure and that is that there is absolutely no point in getting too fussed about whether someone got a title or letters after their name - It doesn't make them a better human being and that's all that matters. Each era's society can decide whatever it wants regarding who gets titles etc and who doesn't. In the past, titles were mostly awarded to people for doing favours for the Monarch or to help suit a marriage of families and wealth. Nowadays, the populace doesn't want to recognise the monarchy or the gentry in the same way and it is left to government to decide. Just as well it isn't done by phone voting like X-Factor, but that day may still come!
I take my hat off, or not, in respect for what some people have done or achieved and not necessarily because a government, regardless of political party, decides. So I admire the efforts and success of Wiggo and Jessica Ennis regardless of their awards outside their sports arenas.
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I cant beleive this is even being questioned?? :stupid:
What is has done for the sport of cycling, sport in general in this country and moral in the country in this last year is massive, and a well deserved knighthood in my humble opinion - Lucky we are not all the same............ :happy2:
Well done Wiggo.
PS - http://www.bradleywigginsfoundation.org/site/
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I cant beleive this is even being questioned?? :stupid:
What is has done for the sport of cycling, sport in general in this country and moral in the country in this last year is massive, and a well deserved knighthood in my humble opinion - Lucky we are not all the same............ :happy2:
Well done Wiggo.
PS - http://www.bradleywigginsfoundation.org/site/
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i think its well deserved more as a motivation for others and raise the profile of a sport or just infact getting off your arse... i have dabbled in the world of weightlifting and due to chris hoy and bradders cycling has been granted a stupid amount of funding! as opposed to weightlifting which got f*ck all and never will!
i think its the smartest move to fund something thats simple, any one can go halfords hand over £100 (cheaper than a gym membership) and maybe just maybe get in some sort of shape and relive the nhs of all the fat barstewardss... where as if you over glorify a sport such as weightlifting.... how many people are gonna go spend £200 on a gym member ship then coaching to be in not so many words be compliant in two very technical moves...
so throwing a knighthood at a guy thats sh*t hot at riding a bike and gets at least 100 people off there arse is well worth it and the sense of achievement for him must be unreal....
my 2 cents worth
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I think people underestimate cycling; it's a punishing sport both physically and mentally. Equipment costs are high initially, if you want anything half decent. Your hated by at least 50% of the UK driving public when all your trying to do is stay safe and enjoy your time out -- in fact, it's sad to say but in some areas, it's become a borderline suicidal pastime on UK roads. Probably worth the knighthood on its own.
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HRH Duke Wiggins the conqueror of The French, which I believe is his full title, deserves his gong for his achievements in sport and over a long period of time too and in such varied disciplines of his sport.
As mentioned, if it encourages a fat kid or 2 to get of their backsides, slap on the Lycra and get peddling then its job done IMO. He leads by example and is an inspiration to many. We are to quick to knock our sporting heroes in this country and to achieve something that no one from this isle has done before is incredible.
Well done Wiggo, your majesty! :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Interesting debate as usual on here. I agree he should be recognised for his sporting achievements and what he has done for cycling and the post-Olympic feel good factor in general. However, I still think a knighthood is a bit O.T.T.
There are people in this country who regularly put their lives on the line for the sake of the public, and others who dedicate their lives to helping the weak, sick and vulnerable live better, healthier and happier lives. many of these people go unrewarded and unrecognised. Most of them carry out their work in a truely altruistic manner, so do not seek recognition, but these are the people I would rather see honoured.
As others have said, Wiggins et al. will get many awards and rewards both now and in the future for their efforts and achievements.
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no doubt service men and women should be honoured just as much but the fact they chose to service there country no one threw camo at them and said protect me did they.... before anyone one takes that the wrong way im taking nothing from them and have the upmost respect for them as i couldnt do it thats for sure!
iv got got friends in the marines and fire service and all say they dont do it for the praise and dont expect it.... infact one marine said 50 % off in dominos was enough haha