MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: 55golf on December 30, 2012, 05:37:11 pm
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Ive got a 320bhp ed30. anyone with this spec what does ur cars keep up with
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A stage 3 1.4 Fabia vRS :innocent:
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BMW M3 CSL, from 30-70 pulling away slightly.
Porsche Cayman S from 50-70 then let him carry on as he was clearly in a rush :signLOL:
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Ive got a 320bhp ed30. anyone with this spec what does ur cars keep up with
A rough guide, you have 320hp and weigh about 1450kg. So your approx 220hp/ton. Thats the figure you need to be comparing with other cars. Obviously it doesn't take into account gearing, but its a pretty good guide.
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Ahh this video was bound to be posted:
Stage 3 Ed.30 vs e92 M3
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:popcornsoda:
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Curb weight for a ed30 is 1330kg I think?
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Curb weight for a ed30 is 1330kg I think?
Edition 30 will be a bit heavier due to half leather seats and door cars..... :popcornsoda:
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is that 1330 kg with driver and fuel though?
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Curb weight for a ed30 is 1330kg I think?
Edition 30 will be a bit heavier due to half leather seats and door cars..... :popcornsoda:
Not Joe's! :grin:
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http://westfield-world.com/power-to-weight.html
Based on 1330KG, 320bhp, that's 240bhp per tonne (about 226 with 80kg driver)
Some comparisons:
Nissan 300ZX - (180)
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - (199)
Audi RS2 - (201)
Subaru Impreza WRX STi - (207)
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - (215)
Lotus Elise R - (223)
Jaguar XKR R - (234)
Maserati 3200GT - (237)
Lotus Exige (S1) - (247)
Mercedes CLS55 AMG - (252)
Aston Martin DB9 Volante - (260)
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) mk1 - (271)
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R32?
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R32?
not a chance :innocent:
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what about a Stage 3 R32 :rolleye:
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what about a Stage 3 R32 :rolleye:
errr.........
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I love power to weight. There is nothing more fun than overtaking much more powerful cars on trackdays and seeing they're surprise. The cars mine can keep up with makes me laugh and I havent even bothered running the Methanol injection and the more aggressive map yet either. (too scared of of the car braking to use it lol)
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Ford Focus ST170 - (143)
Golf GTI Mk5 - (150)
Celica GT4 - (157)
Golf R32 Mk5 - (160) 1500kg 247bhp
Honda Accord Type-R - (163)
Ford Sierra RS Cosworth - (169)
Golf Ed.30 MK5 Standard - (170)
Renaultsport Clio V6 - (175)
Nissan 300ZX - (180)
Golf GTI MK5 - (180) Stage 1 240bhp
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - (199)
Audi RS2 - (201)
Subaru Impreza WRX STi - (207)
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - (215)
Lotus Elise R - (223)
Jaguar XKR R - (234)
Maserati 3200GT - (237)
Golf MK5 Ed.30 GTI - (240) Stage 2 320bhp
Lotus Exige (S1) - (247)
Mercedes CLS55 AMG - (252)
Aston Martin DB9 Volante - (260)
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) mk1 - (271)
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Sure I saw it at 1330kg on a site the other night when some arse with a mk2 focus rs was giving me jip!
Just showed ed30 stats, eg dimensions, power, weight, mpg etc
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These power to weight figures don't really mean much especially as most people are talking about 30-70 and rolling starts etc.
For example sl55's p2w isnt that high but it will destroy a stage 2 eddy.
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These power to weight figures don't really mean much especially as most people are talking about 30-70 and rolling starts etc.
For example sl55's p2w isnt that high but it will destroy a stage 2 eddy.
I think youd be surprised. Is there a video of this? Id be interested to see how close, especially with a DSG car :happy2:
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These power to weight figures don't really mean much especially as most people are talking about 30-70 and rolling starts etc.
For example sl55's p2w isnt that high but it will destroy a stage 2 eddy.
I think youd be surprised. Is there a video of this? Id be interested to see how close, especially with a DSG car :happy2:
Echo that oli.. Ed30 at stage 2 with DSG does surprise more powerfull cars than you think.
Only Problem is getting the dam front wheels to stick :grin:
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The power to weight figures are pretty meaningless if the car in question can't translate that power to the road. Obviously at higher speeds its not an issue but I'd imagine a 320bhp front wheel drive hatch has problems in first and second gear?
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Only Problem is getting the dam front wheels to stick :grin:
Ha, beat me to it!
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Power is nothing without control :P
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There's too many factors to put into the equation to find out what cars are quickest really so all tests/races should be taken very mildly.
I have a stage 1 ED30 running 306bhp on Awesome's RR. It's got DSG, coilovers n WALK.
I have also recently sold my VXR8 auto which ran at 472bhp on a Dyno Dynamics RR.
On a rolling start around 30mph the Golf pulled off for a fraction, then the VXR8 picked up speed n stuck with the Golf.
Both had drivers who can drive good enough even though it's practically a point n go situation as it was on a straight.
If P-W ratio was worked out I bet there would be quite a difference to these 2
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What power has the VXR8 got as standard?
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(412bhp) Standard VXR8 is 227bhp / tonne
(419bhp) 6.2 VXR8 is 233 bhp / tonne
(533bhp) Supercharged is 291bhp / tonne
1850kg~
Based on your 472bhp version (which one was that?)
VXR8 472 bhp version = 255 bhp per tonne
Your Ed.30 is around 233bhp per tonne
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All this talk about Edition 30's. Stage 1 Octy's are where it's at. :evilgrin:
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Oooooh, I like these types of threads. :popcornsoda:
I have the official VW PDF brochure for the ED30 stating that the 3dr manual ED30 is 1357kg without the driver. :happy2:
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There's too many factors to put into the equation to find out what cars are quickest really so all tests/races should be taken very mildly.
Power to weight is only relative to peak Hp. The differences between two vehicles bhp/ton might differ vastly throughout the revrange.
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Cheers for those figures zerolag :)
Mine was the 6.0 V8 model which has the standard figure of 412bhp
Karl
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(412bhp) Standard VXR8 is 227bhp / tonne
Working off power to weight principle my 1400cc Fabia would keep up with a 6.0V8 412Hp VXR8 :grin:
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Ive got a 320bhp ed30. anyone with this spec what does ur cars keep up with
A rough guide, you have 320hp and weigh about 1450kg. So your approx 220hp/ton. Thats the figure you need to be comparing with other cars. Obviously it doesn't take into account gearing, but its a pretty good guide.
whats the equation you have used there Sy out of interest, just so i can work my own out :happy2:
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Ive got a 320bhp ed30. anyone with this spec what does ur cars keep up with
A rough guide, you have 320hp and weigh about 1450kg. So your approx 220hp/ton. Thats the figure you need to be comparing with other cars. Obviously it doesn't take into account gearing, but its a pretty good guide.
whats the equation you have used there Sy out of interest, just so i can work my own out :happy2:
320hp divide 1.45 tonne = 220hp/ton :happy2:
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Power to weight doesn't take into account these 2 important factors:
Grip
Gearing
But a stg2 ED30 is similar in performance to a stock 335d or a 135/335i until around 70mph when the BM's will pull away.
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Power to weight doesn't take into account these 2 important factors:
Grip
Gearing
But a stg2 ED30 is similar in performance to a stock 335d or a 135/335i until around 70mph when the BM's will pull away.
This Ed.30 must have forgotten to let the BM pull away.
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Thats a stage 3 mate (or UK stage 2+ i presume)
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USA stage 3 = what we know as stg2+ (extra 35bhp and 50ftlb)
and that was an M3, not any of the BMW's I mentioned. :P
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USA stage 3 = what we know as stg2+ (extra 35bhp and 50ftlb)
and that was an M3, not any of the BMW's I mentioned. :P
ermm yes, but:
e92 m3 = ~420bhp
335i = ~300bhp
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Torque? gearing?
peak BHP is meaningless.
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So with just 35bhp more that US stage 3 (Euro Stage2+) Ed.30 is putting an E92 M3 to bed from a roll, yet you think a LOT less powerful and not much lighter (50kg) 335i is going to see off the S2 Ed.30!?
335i = 300bhp / 1620kg = 185bhp per tonne
Ed.30 Stage 2 = 320bhp / 1450kg = 220 bhp per tonne
I assume torque is around the same on both above motors.
I'd love to see a 335i be able to pull away from an Ed.30 Stage 2 after 70mph; I'd then eat my hat.
After the 335i is tuned... well that's another story. :laugh:
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why not buy the racelogic box that PDT is hopefully going to do a GB for, and then you will be able to measure how quick your car is in the real world, for example what is the power to weight ratio of Hurdy's car? May not be that high compared to some that could be mentioned (any ideas?) but it is pulling steady 0-60 at 3.8 seconds there aint much going to live with that in the real world. The fastest Ed30's fall down on traction but once up and running... I do believe Steve/Craig @ Stattlers will be able to tell a story regarding how a twin turbo RS4 with over 700bhp was a bit miffed that he could not pull away from the Eddie at Bruntingthorpe.. :party:
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e92 M3 (246bhp per tonne) vs Tuned e92 335i (400bhp / 246bhp per tonne, 50 kg/s lighter than M3)
Think you could say they were amazingly similar. Even though the 335i is lighter has lots more torque when tuned, the M3 still matched it.
Torque doesn't mean squat if your in the powerband.
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Why does the amount of power that happens at only 1% of the RPM range make a difference to on road performance?
overlay a dyno graph from a N54 335i over an M3 and it makes over 100 ftlb of torque more through a lot of the rev range.
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But a stg2 ED30 is similar in performance to a stock 335d or a 135/335i until around 70mph when the BM's will pull away.
I'm not sure this is right, I've owned 2 x 335d's and 2 x ED30 ST2's, and I'd say a stage 2 ed30 will pull away until a higher speed, not just stay with it. Do you have something to back this up. Now a mapped 335d is a different matter........relentless
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my own 335d stock would easily keep with my Revo stg2 ED30, tested it a few times.
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my own 335d stock would easily keep with my Revo stg2 ED30, tested it a few times.
With the greatest respect I don't believe you, get some video evidence of this and the 335D pulling away at 70mph, then Ill believe you......
And on another note why is your 335d stock?
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335d vs 335i
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why not buy the racelogic box that PDT is hopefully going to do a GB for, and then you will be able to measure how quick your car is in the real world, for example what is the power to weight ratio of Hurdy's car? May not be that high compared to some that could be mentioned (any ideas?) but it is pulling steady 0-60 at 3.8 seconds there aint much going to live with that in the real world. The fastest Ed30's fall down on traction but once up and running... I do believe Steve/Craig @ Stattlers will be able to tell a story regarding how a twin turbo RS4 with over 700bhp was a bit miffed that he could not pull away from the Eddie at Bruntingthorpe.. :party:
but in the real world who does 0-60s? Its an irrelevant performance comparison for many cars i think. In gear acceleration times are what show true performance of an engine/car
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why not buy the racelogic box that PDT is hopefully going to do a GB for, and then you will be able to measure how quick your car is in the real world, for example what is the power to weight ratio of Hurdy's car? May not be that high compared to some that could be mentioned (any ideas?) but it is pulling steady 0-60 at 3.8 seconds there aint much going to live with that in the real world. The fastest Ed30's fall down on traction but once up and running... I do believe Steve/Craig @ Stattlers will be able to tell a story regarding how a twin turbo RS4 with over 700bhp was a bit miffed that he could not pull away from the Eddie at Bruntingthorpe.. :party:
but in the real world who does 0-60s? Its an irrelevant performance comparison for many cars i think. In gear acceleration times are what show true performance of an engine/car
i agree but that was the only figure i could quote off the top of my head Sy! I was alluding to the fact that the box would hopefully be able to record a lot more useful date about your own cars performance
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PDT - What spec/power is your stage 2 ED30? When my car was stage 2 ish (320bhp) I'd easy pull away from standard 335 diesel or petrol.
Sunglasses Ron is your man for roll on knowledge when it comes to these!
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my own 335d stock would easily keep with my Revo stg2 ED30, tested it a few times.
I think your ed30 might have issues.....or your 335d is mapped
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PDT - What spec/power is your stage 2 ED30? When my car was stage 2 ish (320bhp) I'd easy pull away from standard 335 diesel or petrol.
Sunglasses Ron is your man for roll on knowledge when it comes to these!
I can only comment on my own experiences, where the FWD golf would struggle for grip the RWD car would pull away easily, then both we're similar in performance until high speeds where the BMW was better. On a different day with different drivers the result may have been different.
I had a go against a stg2+ golf in the 335d when it was mapped, the BM walked away from it, again down to grip levels. Golf was driven and owned by a member on here.
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my own 335d stock would easily keep with my Revo stg2 ED30, tested it a few times.
I think your ed30 might have issues.....or your 335d is mapped
Both were 100% healthy, on our dyno ED30 making 319bhp and 324ftlb and the 335d making 287bhp but a massive 439ftlb.
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Well it seems you are the only one feeling this way.
HNY
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I cant believe there are no corners where any of you people live :sad1:
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Oh dear, that kinda puts that to bed doesn't it:
Mapped 335d vs Stage2 Pirelli (ed.30)... says it all!
Just to clarify the 335d in the video is not stock as the YouTube description says... they later found out the 335d was infact chipped.
A standard 335d vs the same car... :grin:
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Oh dear, that kinda puts that to bed doesn't it:
Mapped 335d vs Stage2 Pirelli (ed.30)... says it all!
Just to clarify the 335d in the video is not stock as the YouTube description says... they later found out the 335d was infact chipped.
A standard 335d vs the same car... :grin:
I have had experience of this and the end result was the same. Unsure if the 335 was tuned but it sure as hell couldn't keep up. ( Just in my experience)
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Lets all do some 30-130 with the mlr :)
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Love how it says closed road at beginning of clip and yet you see about half a dozen cars going opposite direction and then they pass an HGV :signLOL:
BMW 335D against Stage 2 eddie has no chance, even stage 2 BMW 335d with 350bhp will not win, all tjhat extra weight will not overcome the 30bhp extra it has.
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This is what a good forum is all about :popcornsoda:
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And just to put things into perspective a few big power bikes 'playing' with a 335d (obv. easily with a Ed.30 too).
[ Invalid YouTube link ]
And for real humilation:
A Ferrai 458 vs Turbo Hyabusa
And the last video for Goodnight vienna, yes this is MPH
Only putting front wheel down at 140mph!!
Happy New Year ALL!! :happy2:
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After 1st and 2nd gear any extra low down torque diesels might offer dont mean anything. Peak hp rules, just take a look at the rev range that is being used in all out acceleration. After hitting the rev limiter in 2nd and going into 3rd, high low are the revs gonna drop? 4.5-5t? Not exactly peak torque terratory. If the car has more hp on the dyno but suffer on the road, it most likely has inadequate cooling. Anyway, happy new year and let our engine's live long and happy lives :)
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PDT - What spec/power is your stage 2 ED30? When my car was stage 2 ish (320bhp) I'd easy pull away from standard 335 diesel or petrol.
Sunglasses Ron is your man for roll on knowledge when it comes to these!
I can only comment on my own experiences, where the FWD golf would struggle for grip the RWD car would pull away easily, then both we're similar in performance until high speeds where the BMW was better. On a different day with different drivers the result may have been different.
I had a go against a stg2+ golf in the 335d when it was mapped, the BM walked away from it, again down to grip levels. Golf was driven and owned by a member on here.
Leave my out of it :laugh:
I couldnt get traction on the road surface (horrible red tarmac) and the BMW just pulled away, had decent tyres on aswell :drinking:
Wasnt driving at any high speeds, this was basically just coming off a roundabout, and 1/4 mile up the road :confused:
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Red Tarmac bla bla bla..... :signLOL:
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Dom, yours was probably broke then :grin:
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Dom, yours was probably broke then :grin:
Now that you mention it, I think it was the camshafts in wrong that month :laugh:
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So a 335d is quicker than a stage 2 E30 with incorrectly fitted camshafts :innocent:
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Red Tarmac bla bla bla..... :signLOL:
Its like an oil slick that red tarmac :signLOL:
I dont think my car was working right when you had the 335, think it only got fixed when you had the BMW bus thing :stupid:
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Love this thread! :love:
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look what i started
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I've everyone reaches an agreement in threads like this I'll eat my hat :grin:
Just to keep it going, how would an R32 do against a 335d then :innocent:
Cue Hedge and picture of large popcorn bag :party:
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Cue Hedge and picture of large popcorn bag :party:
:congrats: :laugh:
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I've everyone reaches an agreement in threads like this I'll eat my hat :grin:
Just to keep it going, how would an R32 do against a 335d then :innocent:
Cue Hedge and picture of large popcorn bag :party:
Not a chance.... lard arsed lumps!!
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I've everyone reaches an agreement in threads like this I'll eat my hat :grin:
Just to keep it going, how would an R32 do against a 335d then :innocent:
Cue Hedge and picture of large popcorn bag :party:
Not a chance.... lard arsed lumps!!
Oi! :sad1:
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:innocent:
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r we talking turbo r32? :innocent:
Paul
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r we talking turbo r32? :innocent:
Paul
I guess you'd have to be for it have a chance.
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I've everyone reaches an agreement in threads like this I'll eat my hat :grin:
Just to keep it going, how would an R32 do against a 335d then :innocent:
Cue Hedge and picture of large popcorn bag :party:
Not a chance.... lard arsed lumps!!
Ill give it a go