MK5 Golf GTI
General => Detailing => Topic started by: Markydee on January 04, 2013, 03:53:16 pm
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Hi All
Got a few more products to add to the collection recently and as the car is filthy and the weekend weather looks good (ish) I'm going to attempt a details.
I'm going to attemt claying for the first time - any pointers other than don't drop the clay etc?
The car already has some protection as its still beading well (AG Extra Gloss Protection sealant) - Do I need to remove this before the clay stage? If so I've heard fairy liquid can be used to strip back any previous layers? Has anyone tried/ had any success with this.
I now have the majority of the AG product range so was wondering whether all should be used and if this is the correct order:
1. Wash with Fairy Liquid to remove previous wax etc.
2. Wash (2 buckets obviously) with AG Body Work Conditioner
3. Clay
4. Auto Glym SRP
5. Now this is where I start to get confused - I have AG Ultra Deep Shine (I believe it's a glaze of a sort)? Do I do this now?
6. Extra Gloss Protection (sealant) - Unsure whether this is needed as I will then wax??? Also heard that UDS & EGP dont work together particularly well???
7. AG HD Wax
Any tips/ advice (as always would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers :happy2:
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Claying will remove the previous layers of wax...
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Hi All
Got a few more products to add to the collection recently and as the car is filthy and the weekend weather looks good (ish) I'm going to attempt a details.
I'm going to attemt claying for the first time - any pointers other than don't drop the clay etc?
The car already has some protection as its still beading well (AG Extra Gloss Protection sealant) - Do I need to remove this before the clay stage? If so I've heard fairy liquid can be used to strip back any previous layers? Has anyone tried/ had any success with this.
I now have the majority of the AG product range so was wondering whether all should be used and if this is the correct order:
1. Wash with Fairy Liquid to remove previous wax etc.
2. Wash (2 buckets obviously) with AG Body Work Conditioner
3. Clay
4. Auto Glym SRP
5. Now this is where I start to get confused - I have AG Ultra Deep Shine (I believe it's a glaze of a sort)? Do I do this now?
6. Extra Gloss Protection (sealant) - Unsure whether this is needed as I will then wax??? Also heard that UDS & EGP dont work together particularly well???
7. AG HD Wax
Any tips/ advice (as always would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers :happy2:
1. Rinse
2. Two bucket wash thougherly/if possible use fallout remover such as ironx
3.Rinse/wash
4.Clay
5.UDP as I don't think wax properly bonds on top of a sealent
6.HD Wax
Sound's good to me , but I'm sure there will be other opinions :happy2:
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Step away from the fairy liquid :fighting: :fighting:
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Really? I'm sure I've read than somewhere on one of the detailing sites?... So will the clay remove previous layers? Only reason I ask is that the instructions on the clay kit state after claying to use AG HD Cleanser to remove residues of previous wax?
Any suggestions on what to use didn't really want to fork out for a special cleanser :happy2:
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Step away from the fairy liquid :fighting: :fighting:
Agreed Washing up liquid has salt in it!!!
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Okay will skip the fairy liquid and go straight for wash/clay/polish/wax.
Cheers for the info :happy2:
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I think it's reccomended to wash the car again after claying?
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sh*t - not done that. Spent all day and only got as far as wheels, wash, dry, clay (Jesus - the claying alone took 4 hours!!!) then polished, was getting dark by this point and moisture in the air was making it near impossible to get polish off. Not even started on interior yet.
So tomorrow I have to buff of remaining polish then wax (2 coats), clean interior (Hoover, shampoo, leather clean/protect) exterior plastics/rubber, glass, tail pipes, polish/seal wheels.... Don't know whether to give car a coat of ultra deep shine before waxing too?
Looking at another full day I imagine. 2 days to clean a car sounds excessive but hoping results will be worth it... Must admit it was as smooth as glass after claying - how often should u clay? I'm hoping not often!
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how often should u clay? I'm hoping not often!
Twice a year buddy, if that :happy2:
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Thank god! :happy2:
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sorry, i'm a bit late with this advice as you've already discovered the pitfalls for yourself but if you are going to do an all singing grand detail:
1.) Don't bother in winter - not enough daylight unless you are very experienced and therefore can do it all quickly and still do a thorough job. For most amateurs like you and me you need as much time as possible, therefore get up very early and choose a time of year when daylight isn't at a premium
2.) Once you get past 3pm on a mild day in winter the temperatures drop off significantly, this causes condensation - moisture forms as the warm air gets trapped. As the warm air cools it turns from a gas to a liquid and fecks up any polishing or waxing you are trying to do which is more than likely the stage you'll be at in the process by mid afternoon :fighting:
3.) You did the right thing to spend 4 hours claying the car. Shows you weren't rushing. Rushing when claying is a bad idea as it is at this stage of the detailing process where we as amateurs risk marring the paint work the most. Having said that 4 hours is a long time and you'll get quicker with practice and confidence.
4.) If you can break the detailing into stages then you'll make it easier on yourself. Wash the wheels thoroughly the day before and get them sealed/waxed. Then do the bodywork the next day, or even the weekend after (maybe your wheels will need a quick wash down but you won't have to go through the rigour of waxing/sealing again which is the most time consuming part). Do the trim and interior the weekend after. And if you are like me save your exhaust tips until the next blue moon :signLOL:
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Step away from the fairy liquid :fighting: :fighting:
Agreed Washing up liquid has salt in it!!!
Now I have heard this about fairy liquid for stripping wax and my argument is I live by the seaside so I'm pretty sure there is more salt in the air around my car and in the rain than in a drop of fairy liquid
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I live right on the beach so know a thing or 2 about salt!!!
I have just ordered some clay and have not used it before. I hope it doesnt take me 4 hours to do, I better start early doors. The plan is to use HD cleanse aswell to get a really clean waxing surface
Some useful points made here guys :happy2:
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Great advice frenzy - will defo bear it in mind for next time. Job is now done - took me nearly 2 days though :surprised:
Least favourite job was defo cleaning, polishing, sealing the pescaras... And the 4 hour clay bar session!
Having said that I'm chuffed with the results!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fq675%2FMarkydee27%2F5d078fb31b45fa9c8e6fb08addea084d_zps45384703.jpg&hash=9808583b76ec3328c166d467fb07f9c6e9888990)
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Just got to keep on top of it now :scared:
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Great advice frenzy - will defo bear it in mind for next time. Job is now done - took me nearly 2 days though :surprised:
Least favourite job was defo cleaning, polishing, sealing the pescaras... And the 4 hour clay bar session!
Having said that I'm chuffed with the results!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fq675%2FMarkydee27%2F5d078fb31b45fa9c8e6fb08addea084d_zps45384703.jpg&hash=9808583b76ec3328c166d467fb07f9c6e9888990)
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Just got to keep on top of it now :scared:
Looks great man!! :happy2:
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Cheers dude. Well impressed with the HD Wax - a joy to use and love the lovely wet look, looks like the tub will last forever too.
Here's a couple more pics
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Looks good.
Agree with above advice about fairy liquid/salt. Claying and polishing will remove wax. It's never taken me four hours, even on the 6 year old fiesta that had never been cleaned in its life. I wonder whether you had lots of tar and may have benefitted from a tar remover. Polishing would have taken four hours easily and is the most difficult part for me, but it's the part that matters the most.
Winter, as stated, is a difficult time to detail a car properly outdoors. The clay bar will be stiffer (use a container with hot water to keep the clay in), the polish may not break down properly/take longer. Wax particularly doesn't adhere well - you can get tiny droplets of moisture which interferes. Most people will do a full detail on the car say October and then leave it over winter (other than routine wash).
Agree with breaking up the process. Due to time and space constraints, I often find it's easier for me to do my weekly wash and do one extra thing eg do the wheels; do the glass; do the plastic trim; do the door/boot shuts etc.
Wheels are a PITA to do and they're best done off the car - even if you have to do one wheel at a time.
I have the same car and love the way yours looks. Because of various factors, I haven't cleaned my car since boxing day. :fighting:
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Ah! I can't wait to use my AG HD wax now! It actually looks great!! When I get her back ill have a go!!
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Looks great mate !
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Cheers for all the comments advice guys :happy2:
Stealth - agreed the timing for this wasn't great but the car was a mess as had been up to the lakes for new year with the dog in tow so inside and out we're a state. Plus I was itching to try the new kit. Good tip with the hot water for the clay - like u say it was quite brittle with the cold - probably was more like 3.15 hrs to clay but was very careful with it being my first attempt - probably over digit a bit!
Will definitely break the stages down in future! As a side note, how many layers of wax would you recommend? Just got the 1 on at the mo.
Rip the HD Wax goes on/ off like a dream! (By far the best bit) Enjoy! :happy2:
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Two. Any more and the solvent in further layers will strip previous layers.
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Thats some great results.
Its always better to be careful with the clay as you dont want any marring. You can always increase the amount of clay lube if your not sure.
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good results there mate and don't worry about it taking 2 days, took me 5 days the first time i did everything from scratch :grin: My son was only a couple of months old at the time and i couldn't be a complete dinosaur spending more time on the car than with him so i use that as a mitigating factor y'honour :ashamed: