MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Hurdy on July 07, 2009, 02:16:24 pm
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So,
I have pulled back from the Dymag alloys :sad:
The £5,800 for a set inc tyres has proven too much for me to bear to spend on them.
So I'm looking for a set of 18" forged lightweight alloys for £2 - 2.5k and then tyres on top.
I'll kick off and give you all a challenge to go for .....
RAYS Volk Racing CE28N 18x8 5x112 ET50 Lightweight Forged Wheels (14.7lbs = 6.67kg) probably in Bronze.
If you know of anything within a couple of lb's that you think look better or suit the car better, pop it down :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FVolkalloys.jpg&hash=8131d4a99d9f00b0f0dfd02de4f0d3dedfbc5b09)
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^^^ those look awful!! :sick:
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^^^ those look awful!! :sick:
They aren't for show, they are for "go". Show me some equivalents you like then Joe :happy2:
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something deep dish is joes liking
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OZ Alleggerita Titanium 5F
http://www.performancealloys.com/details.asp?procedure=wheel&id_wheels='Alleggerita%20Titanium%205F'&id_wheels_manufacturers='O.Z%20Racing'&id_wheels_sizes='18x8'&price='389'&permission=345170539
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2Ftfotfn%2Falleggerita_HLT_TT.jpg&hash=e7ea05ad2cdab156be45e744bf4c332ede06daf1)(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fwigit71%2Ftfotfn%2Falleggerita_HLT_TT1.jpg&hash=cad4ad8cc7e902a31fd4176c7d2f6cdb4b6cbf45)
been toying with these for the rocco next year
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those look the biz
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If its purely for handling/weight - drop down to 17"s instead :happy2:
I think you'd struggle to justify £2k+ for a very small drop in weight over your pro-races??
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If its purely for handling/weight - drop down to 17"s instead :happy2:
I think you'd struggle to justify £2k+ for a very small drop in weight over your pro-races??
That was what I was going to do but you need to find a 17x8 or 8.5 wheel which isn't easy..
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If its purely for handling/weight - drop down to 17"s instead :happy2:
I think you'd struggle to justify £2k+ for a very small drop in weight over your pro-races??
What Tony said..
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17" will not fit over my 10 pots :sad: otherwise I would :happy2:
The Pro Race's weigh 3stone 3.5lb each with the tyres
The Volks would weigh 2stone 9.8lb each with tyres.
A saving of 7.7lb at each corner which is the equivalent of taking 185lb of static weight from the bodywork. :surprised:
The Allegerita's are about 7.8kg per wheel for the 8 x 18 = 17.2lb :smiley: but a little better looking 8)
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Sell me your brakes and by some 17in dynamags. :laugh:
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Are you sure you've got your sums right?
Converting everything to kilos, as I find it easier to understand...
Your PR1.2s come in at 20.63kgs which is heavier than my Turinis @ 20.4kgs. I thought the PR1.2 is a lighter wheel? Granted, you may have heavier tyres, but I'd have expected sub-20kgs.
Volks are 6.67kgs for an 18x8. Knocking 9kgs (source Rimstock's website (http://www.rimstock.co.uk/rimstockuk/wheelsmain.php?name=Pro%20Race%201.2)) off your PR1.2s combined weight means that with the same tyre your Volks will come in at 18.30kgs.
Rotating mass gives roughly a x4 effect, so that will give a total saving of 37.28kgs over your PR1.2s or 82.18lbs.
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To put that into context, at least £70 per kilo saved.. Seriously, I'm all for weight saving, but that just doesn't make sense to me unless you're completely stripping the car out and therefore achieving a higher percentage of overall weight saved.
That said, Neuspeed make some very lush forged wheels :wink:
http://www.vwspeed.co.uk/volkswagen/parts/Mk5_Golf-623-1.html
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Are you sure you've got your sums right?
Converting everything to kilos, as I find it easier to understand...
Your PR1.2s come in at 20.63kgs which is heavier than my Turinis @ 20.4kgs. I thought the PR1.2 is a lighter wheel? Granted, you may have heavier tyres, but I'd have expected sub-20kgs.
Volks are 6.67kgs for an 18x8. Knocking 9kgs (source Rimstock's website (http://www.rimstock.co.uk/rimstockuk/wheelsmain.php?name=Pro%20Race%201.2)) off your PR1.2s combined weight means that with the same tyre your Volks will come in at 18.30kgs.
Rotating mass gives roughly a x4 effect, so that will give a total saving of 37.28kgs over your PR1.2s or 82.18lbs.
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To put that into context, at least £70 per kilo saved.. Seriously, I'm all for weight saving, but that just doesn't make sense to me unless you're completely stripping the car out and therefore achieving a higher percentage of overall weight saved.
That said, Neuspeed make some very lush forged wheels :wink:
http://www.vwspeed.co.uk/volkswagen/parts/Mk5_Golf-623-1.html
I physically weighed the PR 1.2's with the tyres and calculated the weight of the Volks with R888's
Dymag give a different calculation to what you are quoting with 6 x the effect and that is what I used. Maybe the effect is higher with Dymags as the rotational mass is centred more with the lighter CF on the outside?
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Yup, the weight has more of an effect the further from the centre you get. The Dymags are obviously a bit different.
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I'd be conservative and not consider 6x effect Dymag quotes. That's a bit of PR to sell their very expensive alloys.
3-4x, that is what I would say.
As for me, I am thinking about Alleggerita 8x18.
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I remember weighing my 1.2's before I put tyres on them and they weighed 8.5kgs each, the Pescaras were just under 13kgs each if that helps..
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I remember weighing my 1.2's before I put tyres on them and they weighed 8.5kgs each, the Pescaras were just under 13kgs each if that helps..
Anyone knows exactly how much 18-inch Monza II weighs?
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
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I do understand the whole weight saving scenario but I would rather buy a set of alloys i liked that met some of the criteria and then shed weight from other parts of the car and save some of that £2k for other mods.
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
But I want to change my alloys, that'll be first time for me, might as well do it right! :smiley:
Forged are too expensive. I may have considered Neuspeed forged alloys, but there are no distributors in Switzerland, and ordering from UK will be expensive.
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I do understand the whole weight saving scenario but I would rather buy a set of alloys i liked that met some of the criteria and then shed weight from other parts of the car and save some of that £2k for other mods.
where would you find 40-50 lb to shed, if not wheels or flywheel?
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Check out jonnyc's build thread theres lots of ways. Mind Hurdy's carrying a big amp in the back to.
£2k for alloys i would be parking 2m away from kerbs :chicken:
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The advantages of lightweight alloys are more than just pure weight shedding. The ride will be better as it is on the unsprung mass, so the suspension can act quicker to absorb all those potholes that Fifth Gear were harping on about. Accelleration and braking are enhanced because there isn't as much kinetic enrgy stored up or having to be built up in the wheels. Handling will be better as the wheels can react better to inputs. Fuel consumption will be better due to most of the previous items mentioned. Although individually all these are small they add up to more than just pure weight shedding. Some people mention that putting crap tyres on your car is the equivalent of sending Ronaldo out in wellington boots, by the same measure putting heavy wheels on a car is like putting diving boots on him! :grin:
There are plenty of other weight saving areas to go for on the car, but choosing lightweight alloys is a good place to start :happy2: £2.5k is expensive and could give you a heap of other mods. I have chosen the mods that I can to reduce weight as well as perform better than stock. The TAROX brakes are very light compared to a stock set-up. The ARB's are lighter AND stiffer than stock. True, I do have a hefty sub build in the rear, but this too was designed to be removable in less than a minute when the need arises. 8)
At the moment the car is my daily as well as my weekend toy, but when that changes and I get another daily driver I will strip the sh!t out of the car, put a roll cage in and enjoy it even more :evilgrin:
Anyway, back on topic......
There are some good options here..... :wink:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1746774
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Check out jonnyc's build thread theres lots of ways.
OK, but that will cost you just as well. And interior will not be standard anymore.
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Stop eating pies and drinking beer for 3 months and chuck out the back seat, spare wheel and (don't you have a big speaker in the boot)? :rolleye: :signLOL:
only kidding matey. I was gobsmacked at the difference even moving from those r32 fakes to Luca's pescaras. Not in same league but it does underpin the principle.
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
So do I mate. Was after a set myself when I got my Ed30 but wasnt any available at the time.. :sad:
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
So do I mate. Was after a set myself when I got my Ed30 but wasnt any available at the time.. :sad:
heavy suckers though :scared:
I wish I could buy Neuspeed forged alloys here, they look so nice :sad:
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
So do I mate. Was after a set myself when I got my Ed30 but wasnt any available at the time.. :sad:
heavy suckers though :scared:
I wish I could buy Neuspeed forged alloys here, they look so nice :sad:
Think Awesome do them.. Expect to pay well for them though.. Especially as your buying them through Awesome
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
So do I mate. Was after a set myself when I got my Ed30 but wasnt any available at the time.. :sad:
heavy suckers though :scared:
I wish I could buy Neuspeed forged alloys here, they look so nice :sad:
Think Awesome do them.. Expect to pay well for them though.. Especially as your buying them through Awesome
yep, Awesome does sell them.
And they'd have to be delivered to Switzerland.
So, no way.
My best option (taking into account my financial possibilities) is OZ Racing Alleggerita.
You've tried them, jonny, are they very soft?
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About 1340kgs... :grin: They're the bling rim don't you know..
I love my black Monzas! :happy2:
So do I mate. Was after a set myself when I got my Ed30 but wasnt any available at the time.. :sad:
heavy suckers though :scared:
I wish I could buy Neuspeed forged alloys here, they look so nice :sad:
Think Awesome do them.. Expect to pay well for them though.. Especially as your buying them through Awesome
yep, Awesome does sell them.
And they'd have to be delivered to Switzerland.
So, no way.
My best option (taking into account my financial possibilities) is OZ Racing Alleggerita.
You've tried them, jonny, are they very soft?
Not tried the Alleggerita, but considering the material they are made from, the reason they are light is because there isn't much there.. So in theory, there probably not that strong..
I have had Speedline Turini's and Team Dynamics Pro race 1.2 and they are both strong wheels..
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Where are you up to with this Hurdy i want some myself, may even consider taking your old ones off you. :happy2:
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Where are you up to with this Hurdy i want some myself, may even consider taking your old ones off you. :happy2:
I'm still procrastinating between some Volks or the OZ Allegerita's/Ultraleggera's. The Volk CE28N's are a really lightweight wheel, but having looked around they do not have the same stiffness as most other alloys. Even in their own spiel they say that other wheels are 30% stronger within their range :confused:
It could actually be that the Pro Races are the best compromise between strength and weight for our lovely potholed UK roads :surprised:
I'm also looking to see if any 17's would fit over the TAROX brakes. I've measured the sidewall gap and theoretically there is room there, but how much I'll not know until I actually try a wheel on the hub :jumping:
If 17's do fit, it opens up a whole new world of lighter wheels with tyres weighing roughly the same as the 18's would :party: :party:
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just be done with it and get the dymags :innocent: :evilgrin:
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just be done with it and get the dymags :innocent: :evilgrin:
I found out recently that the size I wanted weighs 6.5kg and the Alleggerita's weigh 7.7kg, Volks weigh 7kg, so is it worth paying an extra £3k for 0.5kg a wheel?
Bear in mind I can get some bona fide carbon Recaro's for less than £3k :wink:
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just be done with it and get the dymags :innocent: :evilgrin:
I found out recently that the size I wanted weighs 6.5kg and the Alleggerita's weigh 7.7kg, Volks weigh 7kg, so is it worth paying an extra £3k for 0.5kg a wheel?
Bear in mind I can get some bona fide carbon Recaro's for less than £3k :wink:
17's will be too heavy for you, Hurdy!
Get these on instead! These are also for Golf, and I can take TAROX off your hands, no problem! :happy2:
http://www.mackinindustries.com/wm/gcw.html
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Hurdy, the Neuspeed RS10 wheels in silver are at $350 USD/corner right now (directly from the US)...
Size: 18 x 8.0 / Weight: 17.8 lbs. (just over 8kg)
http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=95|GV&type=24<ype=ns_euro&p_id=1905
However the black RS10s and pretty much every other Neuspeed forged 18" wheel are $549/corner.
I don't know why the price is so different.
They're not the most attractive wheel, but at $350/corner probably not many forged 18s come close price wise..
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just be done with it and get the dymags :innocent: :evilgrin:
I found out recently that the size I wanted weighs 6.5kg and the Alleggerita's weigh 7.7kg, Volks weigh 7kg, so is it worth paying an extra £3k for 0.5kg a wheel?
Bear in mind I can get some bona fide carbon Recaro's for less than £3k :wink:
17's will be too heavy for you, Hurdy!
Get these on instead! These are also for Golf, and I can take TAROX off your hands, no problem! :happy2:
http://www.mackinindustries.com/wm/gcw.html
Cheeky :P
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Hurdy i know that team dynamics can do custom bore wheels to suit the brakes, but you would need to know what clearance you need etc. Costs around £50 extra per wheel but atleast you can run 17's :happy2:
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Hurdy i know that team dynamics can do custom bore wheels to suit the brakes, but you would need to know what clearance you need etc. Costs around £50 extra per wheel but atleast you can run 17's :happy2:
:wink: I'm ahead of you. I've been and had a look at a local dealers today and he's easily put the 17" Pro Races on with over 10mm to spare on the outer edge and 8mm on the face. :jumping: £440 gets me a full set of Pro Race 1.2's weighing 18lb and I've managed to find R888's in 225/45/17's for £560, so that would be spot on £1k for a set of trackday/qtr mile wheels that weigh less than my current set up by over 3lb a corner...Happy days :jumpmove:
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Where do we sign :party:
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Where do we sign :party:
You interested TC? :innocent:
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Yes i certainly am will they do a deal for 8 wheels :laugh:
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i absolutely love those Volk CE28Ns....here's the Zen Impreza sporting them in Silver Titanium finish!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3541%2F3548953231_0524019ba5_o.jpg&hash=c8d20f93f21999183beda704972d69af8aed1aca)
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I'll ask tomorrow :happy2:
They are local to me (5mins down the road) for the alloys and you can choose your colour :jumping:
The R888's are online from Camskill at £140 each plus £2.45 delivery each (so I guess that is actually £570! :rolleye:), so I don't know if we'd get a deal from there or not for 8 tyres.
Interestingly the 225/45/17 R888's have a 231mm contact patch wheras the 225/40/18's only have a 224mm contact patch. I would presume that with a slightly higher sidewall you would get a slightly better ride on the 17's than the 18's too, as you travel to the Pod :laugh:
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i absolutely love those Volk CE28Ns....here's the Zen Impreza sporting them in Silver Titanium finish!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3541%2F3548953231_0524019ba5_o.jpg&hash=c8d20f93f21999183beda704972d69af8aed1aca)
Noooooooooooooooooooo!!
Don't confuse me....I've just settled on the Pro Races :signLOL:
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have you?
Ooops
shall i post how they look on the move? :laugh: :laugh:
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I'll ask tomorrow :happy2:
They are local to me (5mins down the road) for the alloys and you can choose your colour :jumping:
The R888's are online from Camskill at £140 each plus £2.45 delivery each (so I guess that is actually £570! :rolleye:), so I don't know if we'd get a deal from there or not for 8 tyres.
Interestingly the 225/45/17 R888's have a 231mm contact patch wheras the 225/40/18's only have a 224mm contact patch. I would presume that with a slightly higher sidewall you would get a slightly better ride on the 17's than the 18's too, as you travel to the Pod :laugh:
What colours do they do. :jumping:
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From memory
silver, white, matt black and gloss black :happy2:
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Sounds good Hurdy, it will look like a roller skate :laugh:
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These have got to be worth a look, depending on offset. As they're Merc, they're usually pretty high though.
linky (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-Enkei-Mercedes-Audi-VW-Ford-5x112-alloys-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ320397368018QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET?hash=item4a992bdad2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1689%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50)
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Thinking on...
What's a set of mint BBS Monza IIs without tyres worth these days?? - I might fancy in on this Pro Race1.2/R888s lark too.
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I would say 600. minimum, if they are mint. Mine sold for £850 with nearly new exalto's in ten minutes and i am still getting 2 or 3 enquiries a week. So that tells me they may have been slightly underpriced. :smiley:
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The seller is Billy boy tyres and are just down the road from me.
The price is for 7.5 x 17 alloys and they already have 25% off the normal price.
I would be going for these with a 45 offset. This would shove the tyres out 6mm more than stock. These weigh 8.2kg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-TEAM-DYNAMICS-PRO-RACE-1-2-ALLOY-WHEELS-7-5JX17_W0QQitemZ300329285943QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_Car_Wheels_ET?hash=item45ed053937&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30
They also have the 8 x 17 alloys with a 45 offset which would stick out 12.5mm more than stock. These weigh 9kg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-TEAM-DYNAMICS-PRO-RACE-1-2-ALLOY-WHEELS-8JX17_W0QQitemZ300328710620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_Car_Wheels_ET?hash=item45ecfc71dc&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30
I didn't realise he had an ebay shop until last night :ashamed: :rolleye:
It is beginning to sound a bit like two group buys....
one for the alloys at BBT
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one for the Toyo R888's from camskill.
I also enquired about the price of the 225/40/18 R888's and these are £155.45 each including delivery (£157.50 if you only want one delivered)
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I am at work at the minute John so cant really view anything, can we get anything off, if there is a small group buy. And did you say your tarox fit behind the standard 17in wheel. :smiley:
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I've had a 17" on mine, and they're fine, you can get one over an R32 disc & caliper too - so I think it's "generally" fine, so long as you're not into 6-pots & 360mm disc territory.
Hurdy, what are you planning to do with your 18"s??
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i'll have em john! :party:
actually thats a good price for the 17s from billy boy i might be in for the group buy aswell :signLOL:
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^^ Hey!! That was my plan :wink:
17" or 18" makes no odds to me really if there's a decent second hand set up for grabs, anyone?
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I've had a 17" on mine, and they're fine, you can get one over an R32 disc & caliper too - so I think it's "generally" fine, so long as you're not into 6-pots & 360mm disc territory.
Hurdy, what are you planning to do with your 18"s??
The 18"s will stay on the car for a while as road wheels (as the 19" Black CH's have been sold to Golfster S) now as I prefer them to larger wheels. Nice and light for every day use and then stick the 17" TDPR's & R888's on for the Pod, any track meets and fair weather weekends 8)
So sorry guys, no cheap 2nd hand alloys..................yet :wink:
There's tons of room over the discs and calipers and I've already decided on Gloss black.
Just got back from the shop and already bought mine :ashamed: :evilgrin:
£1,100 for the wheels, tyres, balancing, fitment, tuner bolts and locking bolts.
I personally didn't mind paying a little extra for the tyres, as it is a 1 stop shop for me :happy2:
I'm still happy to sort a group buy session for alloys/ alloys & tyres if you want though :happy2:
He didn't have the alloys in stock and neither do Rimstock, but they will still only take around 3 weeks to make & deliver :jumping:
The satin black 8 x 17's are in stock, but I stuck to my guns for the sake of the smaller weight :party:
I can't see these tyres lasting too long if I use them on the road though :evilgrin:
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LOL - they'll be like peeling an orange on the road!
Are the satin black 17x8 and ET45??
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Just got back from the shop and already bought mine :ashamed: :evilgrin:
£1,100 for the wheels, tyres, balancing, fitment, tuner bolts and locking bolts.
I personally didn't mind paying a little extra for the tyres, as it is a 1 stop shop for me :happy2:
I'm still happy to sort a group buy session for alloys/ alloys & tyres if you want though :happy2:
He didn't have the alloys in stock and neither do Rimstock, but they will still only take around 3 weeks to make & deliver :jumping:
The satin black 8 x 17's are in stock, but I stuck to my guns for the sake of the smaller weight :party:
I can't see these tyres lasting too long if I use them on the road though :evilgrin:
I take it you mean by the hi-lighted section above the OEM bolts dont fit with these rims.
And did you go for the 7.5 or 8.0j wheel and what what tyre size did you plump for. :smiley:
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Just got back from the shop and already bought mine :ashamed: :evilgrin:
£1,100 for the wheels, tyres, balancing, fitment, tuner bolts and locking bolts.
I personally didn't mind paying a little extra for the tyres, as it is a 1 stop shop for me :happy2:
I'm still happy to sort a group buy session for alloys/ alloys & tyres if you want though :happy2:
He didn't have the alloys in stock and neither do Rimstock, but they will still only take around 3 weeks to make & deliver :jumping:
The satin black 8 x 17's are in stock, but I stuck to my guns for the sake of the smaller weight :party:
I can't see these tyres lasting too long if I use them on the road though :evilgrin:
I take it you mean by the hi-lighted section above the OEM bolts dont fit with these rims.
And did you go for the 7.5 or 8.0j wheel and what what tyre size did you plump for. :smiley:
The OEM bolts will fit, but they it is a little tight in there and the tuner bolts give you the advantage of using a spigot adapter that means you are less likely to give the alloys a rash from the wheel brace :smiley:
I went for the 7.5j alloys as they do save that crucial 0.8kg (1.76lb a corner) which equates to a 16kg deadweight saving over the 8x18 TDPR alloys and a mahooosive 77kg of deadweight over the MonzaII's/Pescara's. :evilgrin:
Tyre size was 225/45/17's which has the all important extra 6mm cross section benefit over the 225/40/18 R888's :drool:
He just happens to have 10 9 sets of these tyres IN STOCK too. :jumping:
Unfortunately he is selling them individually (although fitted and balanced) at £175 each :surprised:
Wish I didn't have to wait for them making though :sad1:
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I think i will go for the 7.5 as well when you say tight do you mean the actual bolt space around the head.
And who cares about scratches from the wheel brace. I will be quite happy to stop parking in the middle of the road trying to protect the monza's and works :laugh:
Think i might just clip a few curbs for the fun of it. :driver:
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I think i will go for the 7.5 as well when you say tight do you mean the actual bolt space around the head.
And who cares about scratches from the wheel brace. I will be quite happy to stop parking in the middle of the road trying to protect the monza's and works :laugh:
Think i might just clip a few curbs for the fun of it. :driver:
could even shave a few gramm off the weight :laugh: remember, every ounce counts!!! :signLOL:
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I think i will go for the 7.5 as well when you say tight do you mean the actual bolt space around the head.
And who cares about scratches from the wheel brace. I will be quite happy to stop parking in the middle of the road trying to protect the monza's and works :laugh:
Think i might just clip a few curbs for the fun of it. :driver:
Yes, the bolt space around the head is tight. I haven't used the OEM bolts in there as I decided to go for the tuner bolts straight away on the 18's I have and it was a natural progression to do the same on the 17's :happy2:
What colour are you going for though TC? The gloss black would look great against the white on your car anyway, but a white on white combo could look good too :jumping:
could even shave a few gramm off the weight :laugh: remember, every ounce counts!!! :signLOL:
Nooo! it makes me shudder just thinking about kerbing alloys, let alone actually doing it :sick:
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ergh....ive got that "nails down a blackboard" thing going on with all this talk of kerbs!
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Rubbish - I'm gonna get a wire brush and a hammer to mine for that authentic race look.
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i want some now but 18s in white or black
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i want some now but 18s in white or black
The devil on your shoulder says...DO IT!! :evilgrin:
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i want some now but 18s in white or black
The devil on your shoulder says...DO IT!! :evilgrin:
i am :laugh: