MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Hurdy on January 12, 2013, 12:16:47 pm
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Well today I have done several test runs to compare how a £300+ GPS based Racelogic performance box compares to the £2.99 Dynolicious app being used on an iPad 2 using the GMeter.
All I can say is I'm flabbergasted by how accurate the app is. I recently had my car weighed and so know the weight of me+ the car to a kilo and so whp figures are also as close as they can be calculated by both systems.
I did a few test runs with the app running to find out how it works and if there are any weird features to it. As long as you set off the line clearly the car will give good figures. Move a little before testing or set off before it says go and the figures get confused. Once I'd got the hang of it the app is easy to use and the results are very accurate.
My runs ( surface is wet, cold and muddy ) came out as 3.8 seconds to sixty for BOTH systems, 4.3 to sixty for Both systems, 1/4 mile in 12.89 for the app and 12.9 for the Racelogic box. Intermediate times for 0-10,0-20,0-30 etc were all less than a tenth of a second apart. The dyno function appears to be relatively accurate too giving between 310 and 330whp across the results and almost exactly the same results from the Performance Box.
All in all I can highly recommend this app as a means of recording your times as long as you use it correctly. :happy2:
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Thats good to know... I've had that app for a while. It guestimated my car at 280bhp a year or so ago, but that was with very rough weight figures.
Thanks for the heads up with regards its accuracy. :happy2:
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Thats amazing, off I go to the app store....... :happy2:
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Thats amazing, off I go to the app store....... :happy2:
X2 :happy2:
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Well today I have done several test runs to compare how a £300+ GPS based Racelogic performance box compares to the £2.99 Dynolicious app being used on an iPad 2 using the GMeter.
All I can say is I'm flabbergasted by how accurate the app is. I recently had my car weighed and so know the weight of me+ the car to a kilo and so whp figures are also as close as they can be calculated by both systems.
I did a few test runs with the app running to find out how it works and if there are any weird features to it. As long as you set off the line clearly the car will give good figures. Move a little before testing or set off before it says go and the figures get confused. Once I'd got the hang of it the app is easy to use and the results are very accurate.
My runs ( surface is wet, cold and muddy ) came out as 3.8 seconds to sixty for BOTH systems, 4.3 to sixty for Both systems, 1/4 mile in 12.89 for the app and 12.9 for the Racelogic box. Intermediate times for 0-10,0-20,0-30 etc were all less than a tenth of a second apart. The dyno function appears to be relatively accurate too giving between 310 and 330whp across the results and almost exactly the same results from the Performance Box.
All in all I can highly recommend this app as a means of recording your times as long as you use it correctly. :happy2:
Good to see John my 0-100 in my ed30 is accurate. Not too shabby at 10.1 at stage 2 with its " inferior" remap by Bluefin Superchips. :laugh:
From 60-100 is 4 seconds dead, 6.1 to 10.1 is not bad going.
Just gota buy some new rubber to get my 0-60 down to 5.5 as I think I can gain .5 .
Thankyou again for checking this out for me, and this App is well worth the spends. :happy2:
I based the weight on my setup as 1450kg or 3190 lbs, but not 100% sure that's correct for a 5 door ed30 Dsg.
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Steve, you are lighter than you should be with those weights. On set-up it says that the weight should be the car plus you and not just you! :signLOL:
Seriously though, I'd guess that you and the car weigh well over 1500kg due to all those Bourbons. :wink:
My weight is 1610kg with 1/2 a tank of fuel and me in it. :ashamed:
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I'd say you need to know the exact weight, rather than guess it for these to work any where near accurately.
I'm impressed that once you do know though, they work so well :happy2:
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Thanks John, it's chocolate diggers though if you will :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Calculated BHP was 251 :grin: so somethings not quite right there, probably my entered weight of 1550KG is too low or maybe that is 251 at the wheels.
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When you set it up rich, it asks you to enter your estimated horsepower or enter 0, and says something about wheel horsepower will then be estimated. So 251 is bang on for your 300bhp car :happy2:
Did you use launch control, in S or manual?
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That was setting off without launch control and in M mode using the paddles shifting at about 6500RPM.
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Downloading on my phone now! I have a set of car scales right outside my house that they use for cars and vans going over to the Isles of Scilly, free to use so ill find the figures out :smiley:
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Mine. :smiley:
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OK... you win!! :laugh:
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Thats what 4wd buys you... just look at the 0-10 and 0-20 times.
50-60 times... yours is 0.98 of a sec min is 1.04
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Off road 60 to 100 the R32 eats your R John and any fettled with Super car :P
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Once you're off the line, then I'm afraid transmission loss and inertia isn't 4WD's friend.
Both very impressive figures though. I wonder where the cross over would be with 2 similar power cars?
Oh, and no way am I playing in mine at the moment - it'll have to wait :grin:
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Copied here... hope thats ok John?
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/505931.aspx
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Very interesting. I have an iPad 2 but how and where do I connect it to my car?
Also, it's not a 3G version - Does that matter?
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You don't connect it to the car Robin it uses it's inbuilt accelerometers and I guess GPS to measure things.
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You don't connect it to the car Robin it uses it's inbuilt accelerometers and I guess GPS to measure things.
Affirmative.
You need somewhere to put it flat so that it cannot move around... easy with an iphone... not so easy with an ipap
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Thanks, guys :happy2:
Doesn't an iPad have to be 3G version to connect to GPS? I can't find any info on the hyperinterwebbynet so far.
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Downloaded! Will have a go with this later. :happy2:
From having a quick hunt around on the interweb (which came back to a thread on this forum from a few years ago) for the weight of a standard Eddy (which gives the same weight for 3 and 5dr from what I can see) and it seems to say the DSG Eddy is 1376Kg and the manual is 1357Kg. This is without any fluids or fuel so add 65Kg (apparently) for those and my manual 3dr Eddy (when brimmed with go go juice) is 1422Kg and with me (12 stone or 76Kg), its 1498Kg. Does this seem right? No point trying this with the wrong numbers! :confused:
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Well... the weight is only to calculate the BHP. I put in 1550 as the weight. Thats was a guess from hurdys 1610kg Golf R which is probably a bit heavier than an ed30.
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Thanks, guys :happy2:
Doesn't an iPad have to be 3G version to connect to GPS? I can't find any info on the hyperinterwebbynet so far.
No 3G and GPS are 2 completely separate things.
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Well... the weight is only to calculate the BHP. I put in 1550 as the weight. Thats was a guess from hurdys 1610kg Golf R which is probably a bit heavier than an ed30.
....Well, this possibly might not help but the last time my car was weighed with myself and about half a tank of V-Power it was 1492kg (DSG Mk5 GTI). UNIbraces have been added since that time but I have shaved off 12kg by changing from Monza 2's to OZ Alleggerita's.
EDIT: I forgot to say that my DSG Mk5 GTI is a 5-door. Which might make a weight difference.
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Thanks, guys :happy2:
Doesn't an iPad have to be 3G version to connect to GPS? I can't find any info on the hyperinterwebbynet so far.
No 3G and GPS are 2 completely separate things.
....Thanks, Ian - That's very helpful :drinking: - Help The Aged, eh?
All I need now is a way of securing the iPad in the car. Perhaps strapping it to my passenger seat.
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Needs to be flat really. If you were to put it on the passenger seat right up to the back rest that would work. Just dont slam the anchors on afterwards.
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Well... the weight is only to calculate the BHP. I put in 1550 as the weight. Thats was a guess from hurdys 1610kg Golf R which is probably a bit heavier than an ed30.
....Well, this possibly might not help but the last time my car was weighed with myself and about half a tank of V-Power it was 1492kg (DSG Mk5 GTI). UNIbraces have been added since that time but I have shaved off 12kg by changing from Monza 2's to OZ Alleggerita's.
So 1500Kg ish is about right, give or take a few left over mince pies! :ashamed:
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Well... the weight is only to calculate the BHP. I put in 1550 as the weight. Thats was a guess from hurdys 1610kg Golf R which is probably a bit heavier than an ed30.
....Well, this possibly might not help but the last time my car was weighed with myself and about half a tank of V-Power it was 1492kg (DSG Mk5 GTI). UNIbraces have been added since that time but I have shaved off 12kg by changing from Monza 2's to OZ Alleggerita's.
So 1500Kg ish is about right, give or take a few left over mince pies! :ashamed:
....I forgot to say that my DSG Mk5 GTI is a 5-door, which might make a difference to the weight.
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Well... the weight is only to calculate the BHP. I put in 1550 as the weight. Thats was a guess from hurdys 1610kg Golf R which is probably a bit heavier than an ed30.
....Well, this possibly might not help but the last time my car was weighed with myself and about half a tank of V-Power it was 1492kg (DSG Mk5 GTI). UNIbraces have been added since that time but I have shaved off 12kg by changing from Monza 2's to OZ Alleggerita's.
So 1500Kg ish is about right, give or take a few left over mince pies! :ashamed:
....I forgot to say that my DSG Mk5 GTI is a 5-door, which might make a difference to the weight.
DSG counts for an extra 19Kg over the manual and a standard Mk5 GTI DSG 5dr is 1347Kg minus fluids etc which makes it 29Kg lighter than the comparable Edition 30. Bloody heavy that K04 and all that colour coding! :laugh:
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Needs to be flat really. If you were to put it on the passenger seat right up to the back rest that would work. Just dont slam the anchors on afterwards.
I put mine on the passenger seat, no danger of shooting the iPad off the passenger seat cus I have sh*t brakes :P
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I put mine on the passenger seat, no danger of shooting the iPad off the passenger seat cus I have sh*t brakes :P
....I don't have sh*t brakes and I have proper Recaro seats :P :booty:
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Needs to be flat really. If you were to put it on the passenger seat right up to the back rest that would work. Just dont slam the anchors on afterwards.
I put mine on the passenger seat, no danger of shooting the iPad off the passenger seat cus I have sh*t brakes :P
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1370kg fuel just touched the red! So with me (80kg) 1450kg, will have a go at my figures later!
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Roughly speaking a tank of fuel is around 40kg. :smiley:
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Doesn't an iPad have to be 3G version to connect to GPS? I can't find any info on the hyperinterwebbynet so far.
No 3G and GPS are 2 completely separate things.
....They may be separate but only 3G equipped iPads include a GPS unit - It's attached to the 3G chipset apparently < That makes sense really doesn't it.
So it's as I thought and I can't use Dynolicious. I'm glad I checked it out further before buying Dynolicious even though it's cheap.
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Doesn't an iPad have to be 3G version to connect to GPS? I can't find any info on the hyperinterwebbynet so far.
No 3G and GPS are 2 completely separate things.
....They may be separate but only 3G equipped iPads include a GPS unit - It's attached to the 3G chipset apparently < That makes sense really doesn't it.
So it's as I thought and I can't use Dynolicious. I'm glad I checked it out further before buying Dynolicious even though it's cheap.
Mine doesn't have 3G robin :confused:
I have a 16gig wifi iPad 3
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Mine doesn't have 3G robin :confused:
I have a 16gig wifi iPad 3
....Are you saying that your Wi-Fi only iPad can run Dynolicious, Steve?
There is a possible solution but it costs ~£90: Bad Elf: http://gps.about.com/od/accessories/gr/Bad-Elf-GPS-iPad-iPod.htm
Questionable if it's worth it just to run a £3 App and also only occasionally.
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Not worth it at all....
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Not worth it at all....
....Yup, my butt dyno has given me complete satisfaction for the last 105,000 miles..... Because, like Cheryl Cole, I'm worth it!
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Mine doesn't have 3G robin :confused:
I have a 16gig wifi iPad 3
....Are you saying that your Wi-Fi only iPad can run Dynolicious, Steve?
There is a possible solution but it costs ~£90: Bad Elf: http://gps.about.com/od/accessories/gr/Bad-Elf-GPS-iPad-iPod.htm
Questionable if it's worth it just to run a £3 App and also only occasionally.
Yes robin, I was the one that alerted John (hurdy) to try a comparison to his race logic setup :happy2:
It works perfectly fine mate. I want to go out and do some more tests, but I'm currently Ed30 less and also have a pelvis that prevents me from standing :sad1:
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Am I setting the Drivetrain Loss at 0% or a specific figure (and what is that figure)?
Does this affect any results or is it just to do with how its displayed in either BHP or WHP? :confused:
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Yeah... thats just the figure is uses to calculate HP at the crank from WHP. I read that 14.32% is the figure you should use.
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Am I setting the Drivetrain Loss at 0% or a specific figure (and what is that figure)?
Does this affect any results or is it just to do with how its displayed in either BHP or WHP? :confused:
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That's totally fine, that will give you a brake horsepower at the wheels when you test it. If yours isn't remapped, I'd expect 185-200 bhp read out. This will be horsepower at the wheels
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Yes robin, I was the one that alerted John (hurdy) to try a comparison to his race logic setup :happy2:
It works perfectly fine mate. I want to go out and do some more tests, but I'm currently Ed30 less and also have a pelvis that prevents me from standing :sad1:
....So the only question then is whether the iPad 3 (Wi-Fi only version) has a GPS unit built in whereas apparently my iPad 2 doesn't. I suppose it's worth throwing away £3 for me to find out but I'm living off Benefits nowadays :sad1:
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Am I setting the Drivetrain Loss at 0% or a specific figure (and what is that figure)?
Does this affect any results or is it just to do with how its displayed in either BHP or WHP? :confused:
....Don't you need to set a Drivetrain Loss if DSG?
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Yes robin, I was the one that alerted John (hurdy) to try a comparison to his race logic setup :happy2:
It works perfectly fine mate. I want to go out and do some more tests, but I'm currently Ed30 less and also have a pelvis that prevents me from standing :sad1:
....So the only question then is whether the iPad 3 (Wi-Fi only version) has a GPS unit built in whereas apparently my iPad 2 doesn't. I suppose it's worth throwing away £3 for me to find out but I'm living off Benefits nowadays :sad1:
Google it robin. :wink:
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Robin why dont you test it.... turn off the wifi on yours and go into the maps... can it locate you?
DSG still has drivetrain loss.... its the same gearbox.
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Yes robin, I was the one that alerted John (hurdy) to try a comparison to his race logic setup :happy2:
It works perfectly fine mate. I want to go out and do some more tests, but I'm currently Ed30 less and also have a pelvis that prevents me from standing :sad1:
....So the only question then is whether the iPad 3 (Wi-Fi only version) has a GPS unit built in whereas apparently my iPad 2 doesn't. I suppose it's worth throwing away £3 for me to find out but I'm living off Benefits nowadays :sad1:
Robin, I've downloaded it for my iPhone but am now putting it on my iPad 2 16gb Wi-Fi (no 3G on that one) so will give it a go tomorrow and let you know (to cold to go out now :ashamed:)
Thanks Steve and Rich for the info! :drinking:
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Robin why dont you test it.... turn off the wifi on yours and go into the maps... can it locate you?
....Thanks, Rich! :drinking: Test shows that with Wi-Fi switched off the Map Server is not available but all is good when the Wi-Fi is switched back on.
So, Dynolicious won't work on a Wi-Fi only iPad 2.
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Robin why dont you test it.... turn off the wifi on yours and go into the maps... can it locate you?
....Thanks, Rich! :drinking: Test shows that with Wi-Fi switched off the Map Server is not available but all is good when the Wi-Fi is switched back on.
So, Dynolicious won't work on a Wi-Fi only iPad 2.
Looks like you are right... :sad1:
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....So the only question then is whether the iPad 3 (Wi-Fi only version) has a GPS unit built in whereas apparently my iPad 2 doesn't. I suppose it's worth throwing away £3 for me to find out but I'm living off Benefits nowadays :sad1:
Works perfectly okay on my Ipad 2 WIFI only Robin. :smiley:
It works off the internal gyroscopes to calculate accelleration from G readings. :happy2:
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Additionally, if you require GPS/net access, you can always tether the WiFi only iPad to a 3/4G smartphone.
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Additionally, if you require GPS/net access, you can always tether the WiFi only iPad to a 3/4G smartphone.
....Useful/helpful info for someone else but I don't use a 3/4G smartphone - A simple Nokia C3 touch screen phone fulfils my mobile needs. :happy2:
My onboard GPS SatNav is all handled by an Alpine double head unit with flip up touch screen etc so no need for an iPad or phone in my car.
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Works perfectly okay on my Ipad 2 WIFI only Robin. :smiley:
It works off the internal gyroscopes to calculate acceleration from G readings. :happy2:
....Thanks for that info, John :happy2:
The plot thickens! So, does that mean that ALL the features which Dynolicious offers are usable on a WIFI-only iPad 2?
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So what drivetrain losses for DSG?
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Same as manual... its the same box. 14.32% (thats a figure from another mk5 GTI forum)
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Works perfectly okay on my Ipad 2 WIFI only Robin. :smiley:
It works off the internal gyroscopes to calculate acceleration from G readings. :happy2:
....Thanks for that info, John :happy2:
The plot thickens! So, does that mean that ALL the features which Dynolicious offers are usable on a WIFI-only iPad 2?
Straight from the app Robin. :happy2:
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Very clever!
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Many Thanks yet again, Master Hurdy :drinking:
How and where in your cabin are you securing your iPad to use Dynolicious successfully? < Question for anybody, please :happy2:
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Many Thanks yet again, Master Hurdy :drinking:
How and where in your cabin are you securing your iPad to use Dynolicious successfully? < Question for anybody, please :happy2:
Passenger seat is fine.
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I wedge my IPad into the base of the passenger seat where the back meets the base :happy2:
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Dynolicious has now become Dynolicious Classic and they have released a new app today called Dynolicious Fusion
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Here you go............
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/dynolicious-fusion/id584974533?mt=8
But what are the differences from Classic?