MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: gigolo456 on January 12, 2013, 09:00:18 pm
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Hi Folks, my clutch has started to slip in the customary 5th and 6th gears, any suggestions if/when I replace plse? Ive a 2005 GTi, 50k miles, and original clutch still; I have all the usual engine mods, and R Tech Stage 2 map!
Ive been reading up on dxd clutch, sounds good, but hearing mixed things bout Sachs! Just hoping I dont need to replace DMF also, but maybe sum of these kits already come with it!? Budget wise, if I have to, I guess a grand or so, including fitting and warranty! (Thanks Hurdy btw for your initial help on this)
Cheers Folks
Andrew
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I've answered a couple of clutch threads recently. It's pretty much inevitable that your clutch will slip on a mapped car, if not straight away, it will eventually :sad1:
Check out a Helix clutch - awesome GTI seem to do these at a good price. Not heard anything bad about these. .
If I still had my GTI, that would be my choice :happy2:
Southbend is another option, although you probably have to buy from the USA as no one seems to sell them over here.
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Darkside developments do southbend iirc
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Cheers will check up on these! Will these performance clutches require act differently to my stock clutch do u know, ie. shorter, longer on pedal, or tighter, etc? The last thing I want is to have one leg bigger than the other, lol!!
Andrew
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I'm assuming the Southbend is the same as the dxd I mentioned!? Goapr.co.uk do them if I assume correctly, although bout 950 incl VAT, and no mention if that includes fitting!? :scared:
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I'm assuming the Southbend is the same as the dxd I mentioned!? Goapr.co.uk do them if I assume correctly, although bout 950 incl VAT, and no mention if that includes fitting!? :scared:
of course it doesn't include fitting
Southbend and DXD are the same company, ive got a Southbend Stage2 "Silent" SMF and Organic Clutch kit, its not Silent :grin:
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i love my st2 "silent" kit ,no sound or any problems :drinking:
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Tbf I think the DMF is in this price!? Is there much difference in the actual clutch feel?
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You have an R Tech map on your car, have you not asked the the boys there how much and the different options that are available to you regarding updating your clutch. Says on their website £990 fully fitted for Sashs or Helix performance clutch. Worth a call.
My choice, Helix. :happy2:
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Saw that yes, although the dates are a bit out, so prices may b different! But yes, mite give them a call alright, and also Statlers as much more local to me! Is leaving a slipping clutch not adviseable then? :-o
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No as it will begin to leave heat spots on the face of the DMF
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Edging towards helix I think! :-o
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i love my st2 "silent" kit ,no sound or any problems :drinking:
Mine was fitted to my PD170 TDI and wasn't silent at all, but when we took it of we noticed after 5k it wasn't bedded in (i live in MK so hardly do any start stop driving)
Im hoping in my 2.0TFSI it will be silentish
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Anyone know if the Helix is quiet?
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Helix SMF? no way
The only quiet SMF im aware of is the Southbend kit and as i said above on my TDI it wasn't quiet
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Anyone know if the Helix is quiet?
Your getting confused here. The talk of noise is referring to single mass flywheels. If your leaving your OEM flywheel in and replacing only your clutch you don't need to worry about any more noise.
To answer your earlier questions, you will get a slightly stiffer pedal and the way it bites may be a little harsher, but this is to be expected since an uprated clutch is designed to handle the extra torque
Awesome GTI will supply and fit the Helix for around £700-800.
Ignore the prices on R-Techs site, they don't actually fit clutches - they get someone on the estate to do it and I don't think they have updated the prices for a while
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Thank you for yr comments, very informative indeed! Is the Helix v reliable then? As mentioned earlier, will give Statlers a ring tomorrow as they r local to me...
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Hi again Folks, can anyone plse advise if there is extra vibration with any of these uprated clutches?
Cheers
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Yes with any of the SMF set ups
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This is so confusing! On the one hand you r saying there will be vibration, yet ive been advised by a reputable Independent on here that no extra vibration would occur!
Then there's the issue of SMF or DMF, and on the premise that my current DMF is ok, cant I just stick with that?
Part of me thinks that I should perhaps just get a new stock clutch, but can that handle 275 bhp and 330 lbs of torque?? Id say 80% of my driving is to and from work, 2 miles each way, and then bout hundred miles on motorway each wk, so I want a clutch that does not require me to have Herculean strength in my right leg, lol!?
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This is so confusing! On the one hand you r saying there will be vibration, yet ive been advised by a reputable Independent on here that no extra vibration would occur!
Then there's the issue of SMF or DMF, and on the premise that my current DMF is ok, cant I just stick with that?
Part of me thinks that I should perhaps just get a new stock clutch, but can that handle 275 bhp and 330 lbs of torque?? Id say 80% of my driving is to and from work, 2 miles each way, and then bout hundred miles on motorway each wk, so I want a clutch that does not require me to have Herculean strength in my right leg, lol!?
With those figures I'd recommend an updated clutch as usually with anything Stage 1 and above the OEM clutch will be struggling. Some peeps manage on a standard for years while running stage 1 but for others it cam be months.
IMHO, Yes you'll get some extra noise from an updated clutch with a different (harder than OEM) pedal feel but its not a biggy. It doesn't bother me but you won't know until you experience it. You need to get yourself in a Mk5 with an unrated clutch so get yourself to a meet or to a Dyno Day or even post a thread asking if anyone near you can take you out in their car.
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Very wise words, thank you! Watever clutch get, i'll b shopping around, but as I live in Doncaster, Statlers in Sheffield is usually my port of call these days!! Maybe he'll have 1 with an updated clutch, only way of telling if I would be happy with it I guess!?
Cheers!
Andrew
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How should a clutch feel from new, should you get extra vibration, should the car feel a bit strange to drive for the 1st few hundred miles?????
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Judder is probably the orrible dual mass flywheel.
Set your handbrake, place in third gear allow the clutch out slowly, do the revs rise or does the car pull against the brake... If the latter clutch should be ok.
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Reference this thread specifically, I tried the old get up to 6th gear, 2k revs, floor the right foot, and sure enough, clutch slipped!
Also tried the setting off in 3rd gear and it managed it, albeit juddery!! :'(
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well biting the bullet, getting a Helix Stage 1 clutch fitted tomorrow week, sticking with stock flywheel, hope i'm not disappointed!? :scared:
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well biting the bullet, getting a Helix Stage 1 clutch fitted tomorrow week, sticking with stock flywheel, hope i'm not disappointed!? :scared:
I haven't changed my clutch / DMF out yet (106k miles)... but isn't it worthwhile to get the Flywheel done at the same time? I know this depends on your mileage but I'd consider a flywheel change whilst their in there...
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the phrase used was 'overkill' when i mentioned getting a SMF! To be honest, only done 50k miles since new back in 2005, so hoping the flywheel on it will suffice!! But yes, i did ask the question, not to mention that fact it would be about £500 more, and the alleged 'chattering' that would occur!!
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My octavia is on 60k and stage 1 sha-rk map, even before the map it was slipping i think the previous owner rode the clutch and couldnt give a toss about the car.
I ordered this http://www.loba-motorsport.com/shop/audi/a3/8p1-2.0-tdi/190/loba-sachs-vag-2.0-tfsi-/-tdi-stage-2-upgrade-clutch-kit
Currently getting fitted along with some new Bilstein B6's should be ready tomorrow fingers crossed.
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Sounds expensive if you then have to get fitted, but best of luck mate, we can compare notes on updated clutches next week lol!?
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yeh it wasnt the cheapest certainly not the most expensive, means i can stick my stage 2 map back on and get the power down without 1.4 astra's killing me at the lights lmao.
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My octavia is on 60k and stage 1 sha-rk map, even before the map it was slipping i think the previous owner rode the clutch and couldnt give a toss about the car.
I ordered this http://www.loba-motorsport.com/shop/audi/a3/8p1-2.0-tdi/190/loba-sachs-vag-2.0-tfsi-/-tdi-stage-2-upgrade-clutch-kit
Currently getting fitted along with some new Bilstein B6's should be ready tomorrow fingers crossed.
I've done quite a bit of research into clutches recently for my stg2+ cupra k1. And I have aslo decided on the sachs/loba kit with smf.
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Our Mk6 GTi with Revo stage 2 map was slipping the clutch within 2 weeks of map due to the mammoth torque surge, looking at Helix Organic clutch and keeping standard DMF as car has only done 14k miles.
Very annoying but having done a bit of 'after the event' research it was inevitable it would seem :grin:
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Our Mk6 GTi with Revo stage 2 map was slipping the clutch within 2 weeks of map due to the mammoth torque surge, looking at Helix Organic clutch and keeping standard DMF as car has only done 14k miles.
Very annoying but having done a bit of 'after the event' research it was inevitable it would seem :grin:
Mine ran OEM and Stage1 fine no problems at all, Stage1+ map was applied and it started slipping a little bit
Downpipe was fitted (No mapping changes) and it slips alot now
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I can wholeheartedly recommend the Helix Stage 1, had it fitted yesterday, stiffer than stock alright but no slipping now! :party:
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Glad your pleased with it, the Helix would have been my choice :happy2:
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Tbh pedal is a bit stiffer than wat I thought, but the pick-up when u change gear is awesome, im well chuffed with it!!! :-D
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Sounds good news, going to discuss with Alex whilst car is in for service in a couple of weeks to get sorted ready for the spring and some nice dry roads :evilgrin:
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I can wholeheartedly recommend the Helix Stage 1, had it fitted yesterday, stiffer than stock alright but no slipping now! :party:
Hi mate glad you like your new clutch :-)
Did you replace flywheel too?
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Nope, my stock DMF was apparently fine, who was I to argue, lol!?
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How much was the Helix fitted and where did you get done? :popcornsoda:
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Got it done at Statlers in Sheffield, where I get all my work done now, great guys, great work, it was £700 all in! Heh, they even washed the car afterwards lol! :happy2:
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^^^^ thanks for that! Great price too. :happy2:
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What are the limitations on the stock dmf in terms of torque then? My clutch needs doing so want to know wether to replace it.
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Do you mean upgrade the clutch and still use the OEM dmf?
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Do you mean upgrade the clutch and still use the OEM dmf?
Yes, but I may just go with oem clutch as well as I'm only ever going for stage 1.
Thoughts?
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Depends which map mate... the clutches slip due to the torque.. I have a middle of the road map making ~280lb/ft and have had no problems in nearly 40k of mappage (car on 109k original clutch and DMF! :confused:)... although some with more aggressive maps, pumping out 320lb/ft+ slip from day one.
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Depends which map mate... the clutches slip due to the torque.. I have a middle of the road map making ~280lb/ft and have had no problems in nearly 40k of mappage (car on 109k original clutch and DMF! :confused:)... although some with more aggressive maps, pumping out 320lb/ft+ slip from day one.
Ok thanks, I've got an ed 30 and will be going for bluefin stage one so its 300 lb ft of torque.