MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: dan930 on January 13, 2013, 06:53:42 pm
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What's your thoughts on the rs3??anyone driven one or owned one??Also there are around the 35k now.might be buying one in July-aug, whats yr predictions in price after 6months time
Cheers
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I think it's an abomination, but then I hate 5dr hatch backs.
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Like the engine, but that's as far as it goes for me.
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I think it's an abomination, but then I hate 5dr hatch backs.
:signLOL: you just wait until you have kids and a massive family you will love 5 doors :wink: I hated 5 doors at one point but things and life changed that thought
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I was out in a brake customers stage 1 car, they're all steptronic....
It was stupid quick...it's the next plateau along than a stage 2+golf ....there's a CLEAR HUGE GAP between the 2.0 TFSI and the 5 holer in terms of performance .
So a £700 map gets you as fast as a Gallardo, this is before you go decat intakes stage 2 and that's before you bolt Lobas finest to it and that's before You bolt APR stage 3 to it. Jonny Cockers car is over 600BHP in development already...that's with headroom and a turbo in hand.
Lobas LO500 has been superseded with the LO500P with another turbo in development right now and is proven
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I was out in a brake customers stage 1 car, they're all steptronic....
It was stupid quick...it's the next plateau along than a stage 2+golf ....there's a CLEAR HUGE GAP between the 2.0 TFSI and the 5 holer in terms of performance .
So a £700 map gets you as fast as a Gallardo, this is before you go decat intakes stage 2 and that's before you bolt Lobas finest to it and that's before You bolt APR stage 3 to it. Jonny Cockers car is over 600BHP in development already...that's with headroom and a turbo in hand.
Lobas LO500 has been superseded with the LO500P with another turbo in development right now and is proven
And that makes for some pretty fast kids stuffed in the back! :happy2:
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i think they are mint , but id have to have bucket seats :drool:
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Yeah but that 600bhp will plough ahead in a straight line in the corners... How the hell audi make 4wd cars understeer will puzzle me forever and a day.
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I think it's an abomination, but then I hate 5dr hatch backs.
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Having been a passenger and then driven the same one in the wet with my mate I can safely say it was EPIC! The grip was unreal and the noise was so addictive. I don't normally like more doors but this didn't bother me in the slightest. Try one, I doubt you will be disappointed! :happy2: I was so impressed I'm now considering a change to an AWD car!
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Audi 5 pots have always been good from my experience so I'm sure this will be a monster too. Plus 5 pots make a great noise too!
Shame they aren't 3 doors!
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Shame they aren't 3 doors!
TT-RS fills that gap :evilgrin:
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Yeah but that 600bhp will plough ahead in a straight line in the corners... How the hell audi make 4wd cars understeer will puzzle me forever and a day.
Most 4wd cars Understeer.
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Shame they aren't 3 doors!
TT-RS fills that gap :evilgrin:
If I was loaded that is what I would go for :wink:
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Shame its stuck in a 6yr+ body :popcornsoda:
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I think it's an abomination, but then I hate 5dr hatch backs.
:signLOL: you just wait until you have kids and a massive family you will love 5 doors :wink: I hated 5 doors at one point but things and life changed that thought
Wife and I don't want kids. Long discussed, it's not for us. So I'll be sticking to my 3dr hatchbacks and Coupes!!
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I think it's an abomination, but then I hate 5dr hatch backs.
:signLOL: you just wait until you have kids and a massive family you will love 5 doors :wink: I hated 5 doors at one point but things and life changed that thought
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The satnav looks well dated..r they touch screen?
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The satnav looks well dated..r they touch screen?
Bad Points
Interior is 8/9 years old and has seen better days. Satnav isn't touch screen and after using an RNS is a pain to get used to. But it's these little things that are trade offs between Audi and VW, like leather seats (Audi) or Artificial leather seats (VW).
Could be mistaken for a standard S Line with bigger wheels.
Still relatively expensive
Spec is poverty in standard guise
Good Points
It's biblically fast and has lots of grip, sport button on the dash beefs up the exhaust note.
Could be mistaken for a standard S Line with bigger wheels - de-badged it's a complete sleeper.
Practical if you have a family
I drove one and loved it.
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Yeah but that 600bhp will plough ahead in a straight line in the corners... How the hell audi make 4wd cars understeer will puzzle me forever and a day.
Haldex controller will sort that, surely?
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Don't laugh..but is it possible to retro fit a rns510
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Still 50/50 as it depends on if the price will drop in the next 6months..doubt it will drop to high 20s though..most probably get a mk6 golfR
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Driven an RS3 a few times and currently running my second TTRS, which is an S-Tronic plus version.
The engine is a complete masterpiece and mated to the 7 speed auto it is fantastic. Stage 1 map on an S-Tronic has been proven a number of times to do 0-60 in 3.1 and 0-100 in 7.1. Your not gonna get many cars that go that fast without spending 100k plus. The under steer issue which everyone bangs on about is complete tosh. Stick a set of super sports and your rocking, you'd have to be driving like an absolute nob to get under steer. I've done numerous track days in my old one and it was fantastic on track.
I think the RS3/TTRS are a performance car bargain at the min, yeah the body is old and the interiors are slightly dated, but once you have experienced one of these mapped you forget about all of that.
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I think they are a good car but is the 5 pot worth the premium over a good Golf R or can you not spec a brand new M135i for 35k with a few options and be better off?
I think they would have to drop in price quite a bit before would consider one over an R or a M135i
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Doesn't the RS3 / TT-RS map to ~420bhp on stage 1... a Golf R stage 1 (~300bhp) - if the figures are correct the 5 pot is going to destroy the R.
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I had a S3 Stronic stage 2+ before my first RS, which is essentially a golf R in a different frock. Performance wise the S3 isn't even in the same league as a mapped RS. Made the S3 look silly. You can pick a TTRS with a decent spec for £27k now which is a bargain in my eyes.
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Read some independent reviews and watch some of the videos done by the likes of Chris Harris or EVO magazine. They seem to polarise opinion that's for sure.
For every person who tells you it's the best car in the world, there's another will tell you that beautiful engine is mated to a chassis that's as spectacularly wank as they come. I have no opinion either way, having not owned one.
You ultimately need to decide for yourself, as it's a lot of money.
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And remember that asking whether a VAG car is good car, on a VAG forum will only garner one typical response.
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Read some independent reviews and watch some of the videos done by the likes of Chris Harris or EVO magazine. They seem to polarise opinion that's for sure.
For every person who tells you it's the best car in the world, there's another will tell you that beautiful engine is mated to a chassis that's as spectacularly wank as they come. I have no opinion either way, having not owned one.
You ultimately need to decide for yourself, as it's a lot of money.
I think my next model will most likely be the same as the new model we pick up this week. I honestly wish i could have stretched to a new M135i this time.
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the m135i looks more fun to drive then the RS3 if Chris Harris and Evo are to be believed.
I cant see how paying 35k for an RS3 makes sense -either buy a cheaper Golf R or get a newer M135i.
I would test drive all 3 of the above and make your decision based on how you liked them/cost
or curveball... wait for a A45 AMG and see if you like them and get one on a PCP?
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or curveball... wait for a A45 AMG and see if you like them and get one on a PCP?
Providing they release it in a 3 door!! :signLOL:
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To add balance, an M135i is a brand new car compared to an old RS3... Even so, the old 1M was considered a better car, and they're holding their value amazingly well too.
New baby AMG looks amusing. Golf Rs seem to be bargains all of a sudden, not sure how that price trend will pan out.
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I haven't driven one or even seen a RS3 in the flesh but I would love to.
Price apart, I think that most folks would buy this car for the engine and performance but the 5-doors and S-tronic in a typical Audi quality package is a big bonus.
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just found out that the front tires are wider then the rear ones
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just found out that the front tires are wider then the rear ones
The early journo reviews said that was to remove the inherent understeer that the chassis had.
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The m135i sound is artificially produced.
Anyway you can get a 997 turbo for 35k now
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A sad trait of things to come, thanks to the EU. VAG are adding it to loads of stuff, Ford, Jag....
At least it isn't a horrible noise, you just know it's not quite honest.
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The m135i sound is artificially produced.
Anyway you can get a 997 turbo for 35k now
how do you mean artificially produced? the car produces a noise through the speakers of induction roar or something which is generated by a computer and not the engine?
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The m135i sound is artificially produced.
....Artificially produced on the sound you hear outside the car as well as inside?
To my mind that's no better than a girl wearing false tits. Or, to make my comment more equal: No better than a bloke with a banana stuck down his trousers!
I suppose I'd rather drive a car with a good but artificial sound than no sound at all. But I was brought up on the sounds of motor racing and loud V8's etc - Even a Railton straight-8.
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The M135i's exhaust is plenty noisy enough from the outside, but because the cabin is so well sound insulated, you don't hear much. There's something called a sound symposer, this plays the sound of a fruity straight 6 which changes note all through the rev range though the rear speakers.
It is of course fake, but it still sounds nice.
I believe the new GTI has it, along with a load of other cars to come. sh*tty EU ruling on cabin db and this seems to be the only way around it.
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M135i sound is amplified and played through rear speakers.
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Driven an RS3 a few times and currently running my second TTRS, which is an S-Tronic plus version.
The engine is a complete masterpiece and mated to the 7 speed auto it is fantastic. Stage 1 map on an S-Tronic has been proven a number of times to do 0-60 in 3.1 and 0-100 in 7.1. Your not gonna get many cars that go that fast without spending 100k plus. The under steer issue which everyone bangs on about is complete tosh. Stick a set of super sports and your rocking, you'd have to be driving like an absolute nob to get under steer. I've done numerous track days in my old one and it was fantastic on track.
I think the RS3/TTRS are a performance car bargain at the min, yeah the body is old and the interiors are slightly dated, but once you have experienced one of these mapped you forget about all of that.
Seriously...they can really do 0-100 in 7ish sec from a stg1 map
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The M135i's exhaust is plenty noisy enough from the outside, but because the cabin is so well sound insulated, you don't hear much. There's something called a sound symposer, this plays the sound of a fruity straight 6 which changes note all through the rev range though the rear speakers.
It is of course fake, but it still sounds nice.
I believe the new GTI has it, along with a load of other cars to come. sh*tty EU ruling on cabin db and this seems to be the only way around it.
....So does an engine sound on a quality computer motorsport sim game sound good, but not as good as the real thing.
WTF is this EU ruling on cabin dB? Surely they don't want drivers to feel caccoon'd and isolated and therefore more prone to falling asleep or not hearing what's going on with other road users around them?
The lack of cabin noise is something I really disliked about the OEM Mk6 GTI - When I first switched the engine on I couldn't tell if the engine was actually running.
All this is beginning to make me think that I'm gald that I'm growing old and won't have to live through what drivers (those who love driving) will have to put with in the future.
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Back on RS3 topic............
http://www.qstuning.com/display.php?make=1&model=53&engine=169
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Back on RS3 topic............
http://www.qstuning.com/display.php?make=1&model=53&engine=169
Really don't like the look of the 135i..it looks f@@king sh@t
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Ha, there's plenty think exactly the same of the RS3 :wink:
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....So does an engine sound on a quality computer motorsport sim game sound good, but not as good as the real thing.
WTF is this EU ruling on cabin dB? Surely they don't want drivers to feel caccoon'd and isolated and therefore more prone to falling asleep or not hearing what's going on with other road users around them?
The lack of cabin noise is something I really disliked about the OEM Mk6 GTI - When I first switched the engine on I couldn't tell if the engine was actually running.
All this is beginning to make me think that I'm gald that I'm growing old and won't have to live through what drivers (those who love driving) will have to put with in the future.
Cocooned and insulated is exactly what they're after, Robin. Couple that with things like radar guided cruise, lane departure warnings, blind spot indicators, auto headlights/wipers - there's not going to be much left to keep the driver alert.
The noise is at least a recording of a genuine engine, rather than a computer generated version. Small mercies eh?
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Cocooned and insulated is exactly what they're after, Robin. Couple that with things like radar guided cruise, lane departure warnings, blind spot indicators, auto headlights/wipers - there's not going to be much left to keep the driver alert.
The noise is at least a recording of a genuine engine, rather than a computer generated version. Small mercies eh?
....Oh dear! Imagine how you would react when driving if the sound recording got out of sync etc :rolleye: - Regardless of what vehicle you drive, the feedback a driver gets from hearing his/her engine/exhaust is a very real driving aid.
I bet they'll be adding a marshmallow ride to the over insulated caccoon. Pink Floyd were right....... They want to make us all Comfortably Numb! Yuk!! This makes me feel quite angry :laugh:
If you've got an engine such as the one in the RS3, surely you want to hear it. I give up! I think I'll be keeping my car until I leave this planet.
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Ha, there's plenty think exactly the same of the RS3 :wink:
Looks better then the bimmer
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Looks are subjective.
Jesus, it's like being in a playground...
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I personally think the M135i is stunning, and prefer it to my facelift 123d. I will be getting one as my next car!!
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I think everyone's opinion & taste is different..I like it but you might not
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Driven an RS3 a few times and currently running my second TTRS, which is an S-Tronic plus version.
The engine is a complete masterpiece and mated to the 7 speed auto it is fantastic. Stage 1 map on an S-Tronic has been proven a number of times to do 0-60 in 3.1 and 0-100 in 7.1. Your not gonna get many cars that go that fast without spending 100k plus. The under steer issue which everyone bangs on about is complete tosh. Stick a set of super sports and your rocking, you'd have to be driving like an absolute nob to get under steer. I've done numerous track days in my old one and it was fantastic on track.
I think the RS3/TTRS are a performance car bargain at the min, yeah the body is old and the interiors are slightly dated, but once you have experienced one of these mapped you forget about all of that.
Seriously...they can really do 0-100 in 7ish sec from a stg1 map
They do indeed mate, this is a stage 1 S-Tronic TT-RS, granted not an RS3 but performance is comparable. This same car has produced them figures using v-box.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAiNs-7tUmk
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Not that I'm doubting the RS3 is capable of it, but isn't it a fair bit heavier than a TT-RS?
By god it sounds good though.
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I think it is a bit more lardy, not sure exactly how much. But I don't think there is a huge difference in performance when in a similar state of tune. It's just mental performance for £650 notes.
My current RS is not mapped where as my old one was stage 2, it feels woefully slow. A map on these cars is a must, they feel quite ordinary without it.
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One of my mates has got his hands on a mapped RS3 and we had a runround last week. Managed to eat a whole tank of fuel but jesus it was worth it. Killed a VXR and a EVO 7 on the way. Wow is all I can say. Interior etc etc can all be changed and tbh, apart from plugging my ipod in, I was too focussed at either looking ahead or the speedo!
Definately on the cards in a few years when insurance is be less than my monthly salary!
:driver: = :rolleye:
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I went to a Vw dealer today to see a golfR & it did look pretty good,I thought the arches were more swollen but it was parked next to a mk6 Gti & it looked the same apart from the bumpers & grill..the interior looked very nice & a big improvement over the mk5..Next door was a audi dealer so I went next door & they had a black rs3,tbh it looked like a normal s3 but maybe it was black in colour that camouflaged the front bulged arches & big bumper..Anyway I sat in the car & the interior is so so..looks dated compared to the golfR & the satnav looks VERY dated too(no touch screen)..didn't test drive both as it started to snow..might go & look at a white rs3 when the weather is better
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I went to a Vw dealer today to see a golfR & it did look pretty good,I thought the arches were more swollen but it was parked next to a mk6 Gti & it looked the same apart from the bumpers & grill..the interior looked very nice & a big improvement over the mk5..Next door was a audi dealer so I went next door & they had a black rs3,tbh it looked like a normal s3 but maybe it was black in colour that camouflaged the front bulged arches & big bumper..Anyway I sat in the car & the interior is so so..looks dated compared to the golfR & the satnav looks VERY dated too(no touch screen)..didn't test drive both as it started to snow..might go & look at a white rs3 when the weather is better
Having actually had a proper look round my mates one I agree. His is silver and the huge front/back bumper is very obvious and tbh not to everyones taste. The black as you say probably covers most of it. Jury's still out for me tho and doesn't really make it look more aggressive either. Someone mentioned chavved up - well I wouldn't go that far but between 1 and 10 maybe a 3/4.
He was moaning about having to put in a aftermarket double din stereo / sat nav but did make a huge difference from the standard. Again agree on the interior. I previously said I didn't really mind but actually spending time looking and sitting made me question the whole concept. Its not 100% in keeping with the sleek new design and not proportionate to the performance. Maybe they guessed those that buy it have money can change the interior. I don't know.
Mk6 gti is lovely from what I've seen at shows and I remember when they launched it thinking that is awesome. I bet white will be stunning tho - stock white S3 looks the biz already so interesting to see ifthe rs3 matches and what you think.
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I'm still 50/50 on which car to choose(R or rs3) but as the current prices are at the moment it's around 8-10k difference..
let's see how much they drop in price when June-July comes then we will see
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Playing engine noises through the speakers????? What the FFFFF!!!!
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Playing engine noises through the speakers????? What the FFFFF!!!!
The MK6 GTI does it...
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And the Polo GTI and pretty much every performance car using the 1.4 twin charged setup.
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Whoevers idea that was need shooting in the head with a rusty bullet.
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Sounds ok in the Polo to be honest. Its just cause the engine is so quiet and the soundproofing so good. There is a video on YouTube of it connected/disconnected and the difference it makes.
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Playing engine noises through the speakers????? What the FFFFF!!!!
The MK6 GTI does it...
....No wonder that my first impression of driving it was that it needs less sound proofing and more Milltek (or similar). :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: < One for each cylinder!
I agree wholeheartedly with Rich. What on earth is the motoring world coming to!? I don't want to sound like the 65yo OAP that I am!
Soundproofing the cabin to the extent that you then have to pipe engine/exhaust musak into the cabin is worse than ridiculous. It's counter productive and furthermore adds weight and therefore has an influence on fuel economy (which the car manufacturers are so at pains to improve).
It's equivalent to the worst kind of elevator/lift musak.
I've just found another reason not to change my car! Unless it's something which has a Ferrari engine or similar.
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I disagree to be honest. I'm not sure you understand who VW are marketing the GTI at.
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Indeed. Its a mass market car, the entire buying public arent all petrol heads.
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Playing engine noises through the speakers????? What the FFFFF!!!!
The MK6 GTI does it...
My Scirocco does it. Its called a SoundAktor, theres a small speaker under the scuttle :grin:
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Indeed. Its a mass market car, the entire buying public arent all petrol heads.
If that is the case then... why pump 'engine noises' into the cabin via the speakers? Surly all they want to hear is the sound of their own ego... :grin:
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I disagree to be honest. I'm not sure you understand who VW are marketing the GTI at.
....Unfortunately it seems I was under the illusion that Volkswagen were primarily marketing their GTI and R versions to car enthusiasts/petrolheads. Afterall, that's definitely how these particular versions were concieved originally.
The GTI and R versions are not truly mass market, IMO. And consequently I would argue that they deserve far better than some piped fake sounds. But hey-ho, the feckin passionless bean counters rule nowadays and everything has to meet the most economical boring criteria and lowest common denominator of the dull Mrs & Mrs Average.
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I disagree to be honest. I'm not sure you understand who VW are marketing the GTI at.
..everything has to meet the most economical boring criteria and lowest common denominator of the dull Mrs & Mrs Average.
Come on Robin, you know most people have to choose a car that meets a multitude of different criteria. For example I regularly travel to the North East (for Newcastle matches and to see friends etc.) It's nearly 3 hours to my parents house and I travel up the A1 to get there. In that instance all I want is a car that is cosseting and comfortable. I don't want engine noise, I don't want exhaust noise and I don't want road noise. However, I also want a fast car, a desirable car, and a car that can provide some thrills when called upon. In VW's eyes I am Mr GTI!
That is why systems like the Soundaktor are a good idea in my opinion. I don't particularly care that the artificial sound isn't the real sound. In fact if they could pipe the sound of a V8 in that would be lovely!
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Lets face it, the sound a car exhaust makes is X% real and Y% created by the resonator, baffles, etc. - which is why the sound your car makes with a Milltek is different from a car with a BCS, which is different again from an APR exhaust. . . .
So the sound you are listening to is also a "manufactured" sound, to some degree :laugh:
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Come on Robin, you know most people have to choose a car that meets a multitude of different criteria. For example I regularly travel to the North East (for Newcastle matches and to see friends etc.) It's nearly 3 hours to my parents house and I travel up the A1 to get there. In that instance all I want is a car that is cosseting and comfortable. I don't want engine noise, I don't want exhaust noise and I don't want road noise. However, I also want a fast car, a desirable car, and a car that can provide some thrills when called upon. In VW's eyes I am Mr GTI!
That is why systems like the Soundaktor are a good idea in my opinion. I don't particularly care that the artificial sound isn't the real sound. In fact if they could pipe the sound of a V8 in that would be lovely!
....Oh dear! Well, each to their own but "cosseting" means over indulgent and a marshmallow caccoon is the last type of ride I would enjoy no matter where or what distance. I regularly drive a 460-miler and have done plenty of +700 milers and love the taut, tactile and full of sound, drive. ETTO.
Most of my friends who call themselves car enthusiasts hate the concept of the Soundaktor - Just like most heterosexual blokes don't like false breasts on women. Fake Rolex?
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Just like most heterosexual blokes don't like false breasts on women. Fake Rolex?
Most heterosexual blokes don't care they still taste the same. :evilgrin:
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Lets face it, the sound a car exhaust makes is X% real and Y% created by the resonator, baffles, etc. - which is why the sound your car makes with a Milltek is different from a car with a BCS, which is different again from an APR exhaust. . . .
So the sound you are listening to is also a "manufactured" sound, to some degree :laugh:
....To some degree yes. But to continue my ladies breasts analogy, it depends what kind of bra excites you :grin:
It's the resonance which occurs PHYSICALLY via an exhaust pipe which touches the heart and soul of a driving enthusiast. Sound is a vibration and is even spiritual.
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Just like most heterosexual blokes don't like false breasts on women. Fake Rolex?
Most heterosexual blokes don't care they still taste the same. :evilgrin:
....I think you know that I wasn't talking about breast feeding, Ian.
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Robin, seriously, I think you're out of touch!
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Neither am I Robin. :grin:
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Lets face it, the sound a car exhaust makes is X% real and Y% created by the resonator, baffles, etc. - which is why the sound your car makes with a Milltek is different from a car with a BCS, which is different again from an APR exhaust. . . .
So the sound you are listening to is also a "manufactured" sound, to some degree :laugh:
....To some degree yes. But to continue my ladies breasts analogy, it depends what kind of bra excites you :grin:
It's the resonance which occurs PHYSICALLY via an exhaust pipe which touches the heart and soul of a driving enthusiast. Sound is a vibration and is even spiritual.
I agree, but also the resonance & the feel is "manufactured". A straight 4-pot engine doesnt create a fantastic noise on its own, it needs a little help from an exhaust to give you that feeling. . . :happy2:
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Robin, seriously, I think you're out of touch!
....Oh, I'm most definitely out of touch with Mr & Mrs Average types and long may it stay so! :smiley:
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It's the resonance which occurs PHYSICALLY via an exhaust pipe which touches the heart and soul of a driving enthusiast. Sound is a vibration and is even spiritual.
I agree, but also the resonance & the feel is "manufactured". A straight 4-pot engine doesnt create a fantastic noise on its own, it needs a little help from an exhaust to give you that feeling. . .
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....Agreed, it's the type of help which I have an opinion about. Physically formed sound versus artificially formed sound imitating the physically formed.
Btw, we are waaaay off topic :ashamed:
Is the RS3 sound via an artificial thingybox?
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Robin, seriously, I think you're out of touch!
....Oh, I'm most definitely out of touch with Mr & Mrs Average types and long may it stay so! :smiley:
To be honest, I meant with VW. You seem to think VW still make cars aimed solely at enthusiasts, perveyors of performance cars. It's simply not the case.
And by the way, I hope you're not insinuating that I am "Mr Average".
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Cars with the engine sound played via speakers into the cabin is for the following two types of human.
1. Bed wetter's.
2. People who sit down to wee.
End of discussion.................................
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That's really funny.
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To be honest, I meant with VW. You seem to think VW still make cars aimed solely at enthusiasts, perveyors of performance cars. It's simply not the case.
And by the way, I hope you're not insinuating that I am "Mr Average".
The last Golf GTI that VW made for enthusiasts is the Mk1. All the rest have been "lets see how may units we can shift". :popcornsoda:
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The way people talk round here you'd think we all drove American V8 muscle cars, not weedy 4-cylinder hatchbacks with airbags and traction control you can't actually turn off.
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To be honest, I meant with VW. You seem to think VW still make cars aimed solely at enthusiasts, perveyors of performance cars. It's simply not the case.
And by the way, I hope you're not insinuating that I am "Mr Average".
The last Golf GTI that VW made for enthusiasts is the Mk1. All the rest have been "lets see how may units we can shift". :popcornsoda:
Exactly, the marketing machine!
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Robin, seriously, I think you're out of touch!
....Oh, I'm most definitely out of touch with Mr & Mrs Average types and long may it stay so! :smiley:
To be honest, I meant with VW. You seem to think VW still make cars aimed solely at enthusiasts, perveyors of performance cars. It's simply not the case.
And by the way, I hope you're not insinuating that I am "Mr Average".
....I made particular emphasis in my earlier post that I was believing that the GTI and R versions are not mass market rather than all VW's.
I can't comment about whether you are a Mr Average or not, Andrew - We have yet to meet. And anyway, I wouldn't be too bothered about what other people might or might not think of you anyway - It's their problem rather than yours and that includes me. :happy2:
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To be honest, I meant with VW. You seem to think VW still make cars aimed solely at enthusiasts, perveyors of performance cars. It's simply not the case.
The last Golf GTI that VW made for enthusiasts is the Mk1. All the rest have been "lets see how may units we can shift". :popcornsoda:
.....Unfortunately true but VW are very happy to try and exploit that original GTI tradition to shift sales.
I guess that's why some of us feel the need to modify our GTI's etc.
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The way people talk round here you'd think we all drove American V8 muscle cars, not weedy 4-cylinder hatchbacks with airbags and traction control you can't actually turn off.
....Such glorious machines aren't the exclusive subject that petrol heads enthuse over.
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I've got to be honest Robin, the words VW Golf (whether GTI, R, whatever) and petrol head doesn't go together!
Do petrol heads enthuse over Golfs? Do they hell.
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I've got to be honest Robin, the words VW Golf (whether GTI, R, whatever) and petrol head doesn't go together!
Do petrol heads enthuse over Golfs? Do they hell.
....Petrol heads enthuse over Golf GTI's and R's - The modded ones, and do so irrespective of what their own car is. Am I the only one who believes this to be so?
How many less members would there be on this forum if that wasn't so?
Perhaps you and I have an entirely different interpretation of who/what a "petrol head" is :confused: :surprised:
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Sorry, are we talking about the ones VW sell, or the cars that get into the hands of people on this forum? It's an important definition to make...
I'm pretty sure this conversation started with a discussion on whether artificial sound suited the demographic VW are targeting with the GTI and R.
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Sorry, are we talking about the ones VW sell, or the cars that get into the hands of people on this forum? It's an important definition to make...
I'm pretty sure this conversation started with a discussion on whether artificial sound suited the demographic VW are targeting with the GTI and R.
....I agree that the definition is rather fundamental to what has been our 'debate'. I was mainly talking about the ones which VW sell with the GTI and R (and Ed30) badges. To me that badge represents a much sportier version which is worthy of the attention of a petrol head when modified. IMO.
You are right, most unfortunately in my not so humble opinion, that VW (as Hedge also said) are nowadays more interested in sales numbers and I alluded to that when I mentioned bean counters and lamented that aspect. And the fact that Volkswagen AG are happy to install artificial sound in the GTI and R's (and RS3?) is proof of that sad fact. IMO.
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VW's opinion of its target market has changed very little, they still go after these people...
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This is getting silly now.
The GTI is owned by thousands of petrol heads who have to live in the real world of compromise. And when it comes to compromise and all-rounders, the GTI is king.
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Second hand, I completely agree.
I still bet the majority of them are bought brand new by middle england 30-something professionals - and that's why you see refinement and quality, rather than balls out petrolhead biased.
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I've bought 3 of the buggers brand new and still not managed to be a professional at anything other than eating cake :laugh:
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Second hand, I completely agree.
I still bet the majority of them are bought brand new by middle england 30-something professionals - and that's why you see refinement and quality, rather than balls out petrolhead biased.
But the same goes for audi, porsche exc RS models, lamborghi, ferrari, bmw.
Having a seperate car for trackdays is such a luxury
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I've bought 3 of the buggers brand new and still not managed to be a professional at anything other than eating cake :laugh:
:signLOL: I'm pretty good at that too, signs of a trend maybe?!?! :wink:
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VW's opinion of its target market has changed very little, they still go after these people...
....But don't forget this one....................
^ "It's a GTI" and this is what a GTI should do: Put a grin on your face.
That's the SPIRIT of the GTI. It's much more than just a means of transport (if you allow it to be). :notworthy:
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I've bought 3 of the buggers brand new and still not managed to be a professional at anything other than eating cake :laugh:
:signLOL: I'm pretty good at that too, signs of a trend maybe?!?! :wink:
That's why I love a golf gti, can do a lap of the ring with enough room in the glovebox for a 6 pack of Mr kiplings bakewell tarts :drool:
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Exactly - a GTI to me is a fast, fun car that doesn't ride like a smacked arse and give you ringing ears.
You can park it in Knightsbridge or Kirkby without anyone batting an eyelid.
Middle England generally has kids, so this is where a luxurious hot hatch is ideal.
I honestly think VW aren't aiming GTIs at 22 year old petrol heads, and never have. The used market however is probably exactly this group.
Then of course we ruin all that by modding it :signLOL:
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Ha love that mk2 advert when she goes to drop the keys down the drain..............
That advert could of went down a very differant route if she purchased a non power steering model !
Mk2s, there not for girls !!! New Yorky advert oppertunity !
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Exactly - a GTI to me is a fast, fun car that doesn't ride like a smacked arse and give you ringing ears.
You can park it in Knightsbridge or Kirkby without anyone batting an eyelid.
Middle England generally has kids, so this is where a luxurious hot hatch is ideal.
I honestly think VW aren't aiming GTIs at 22 year old petrol heads, and never have. The used market however is probably exactly this group.
Then of course we ruin all that by modding it :signLOL:
....You forgot 65yo petrol heads!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2FRR_TshirtGolfMod.jpg&hash=ba157c036fa9e56ae499e22c0aea3704400fe3e2)
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You're still 22 at heart :wink:
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You're still 22 at heart :wink:
:love: :drinking:
I don't mind growing old, just as long as I don't have to grow up!
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Then of course we ruin all that by modding it :signLOL:
Yeah all mine have been different, not necessarily better, just different :grin:
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Deffo!
Mine was amazing by the time I'd finished with it, but that month at the end when it was back to stock ready for sale - by god it was lovely. I'd forgot just how good they were out of the box.
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Deffo!
Mine was amazing by the time I'd finished with it, but that month at the end when it was back to stock ready for sale - by god it was lovely. I'd forgot just how good they were out of the box.
I drove a friends bog std one recently and was pleasantly suprised too
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Deffo!
Mine was amazing by the time I'd finished with it, but that month at the end when it was back to stock ready for sale - by god it was lovely. I'd forgot just how good they were out of the box.
I drove a friends bog std one recently and was pleasantly suprised too
I did the same. Bought and sold on a standard MK5 GTI and it was great! Shortly after that my eddy went from ST2+ to just barely ST2. Winner!
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Deffo!
Mine was amazing by the time I'd finished with it, but that month at the end when it was back to stock ready for sale - by god it was lovely. I'd forgot just how good they were out of the box.
Yeah its the fond memories of my mk5 and the ed30 when they were standard that has kept me at stage 1 and pikey lowering springs only for 4 years :happy2:
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I've bought 3 of the buggers brand new and still not managed to be a professional at anything other than eating cake :laugh:
:grin:
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The way people talk round here you'd think we all drove American V8 muscle cars, not weedy 4-cylinder hatchbacks with airbags and traction control you can't actually turn off.
LOL.
Have you seen some of the V8 muscle cars Americans make. Some are glorious, but most are absolute :sick:
It surprises me just how little power they can extract from some of them! :signLOL:
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Have you seen some of the V8 muscle cars Americans make. Some are glorious, but most are absolute :sick:
It surprises me just how little power they can extract from some of them! :signLOL:
....But you would show some of them how it's done wouldn't you, John!
You'd be constantly on the Salt Flats!
Part of it is possibly the speed restrictions on most US roads - It's not good.