MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Maxgti on January 14, 2013, 09:49:11 pm
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Had my baby remped to day it is amsing cant thank the boys up there anoth
250bhp
301ft lb torque
Shame about the f*cking snow and the 4 hour drive there and back
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Quality day to have a remap! :laugh: Making some nice figures there though! :happy2:
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250bhp that's awesome from a remap!
Any supporting mods or literally just the map? :smiley: really need to get the rest out of my KO3! ;p
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I've seen the graph, I bet it's a very smooth ride.
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bet it was fun driving back :jumping:
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Ahh.. i think your car popped up on niks facebook page. :happy2:
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Car is amasing thanks for the reviews shall put pic of the graph on tomorrow just standard 200 with a panel filter
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What s nics full name so can add on facebook
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Car is amasing thanks for the reviews shall put pic of the graph on tomorrow just standard 200 with a panel filter
Just realised you've had one of nicks TIV map thingsl.....which I didn't get when I went up as my map was pre-november. I'll leave it til stage 2 to get that sorted but yeh, awesome figures! Very jealous :)
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Awsome figures dude!
Get some videos up please :happy2:
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Ill up load some on to my face book (maxwell durka durka williams )
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i went there for my remap last year. great guys and got great figures aswell!
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Awesome figures, is it DSG or manual?
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What s nics full name so can add on facebook
I thinks its Niki R-Tech Gower - myself & RichWig are friends with him :happy2:
They are a top bunch up there, can't fault them :notworthy:
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I had a stage 1.5 from them last September, prior to the tiv add on, im still eager to discover wat difference if any this tiv remap makes to his maps!?
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With tiv mapping, he made 2bhp more than mine and mine had the pre-cat removed. There is definetly gains to be had with it :smiley:
Nick recons he can get 300bhp safely out of a K03 but will take him 6months + to achieve it :party:
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hmmm, i wonder with all the other mods which i have, would that figure be higher!? As much as i love the guys, and the work they have done for me, would a 160 mile round trip justify a mere 2bhp, lol!!?? :rolleye:
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With tiv mapping, he made 2bhp more than mine and mine had the pre-cat removed. There is definetly gains to be had with it :smiley:
Nick recons he can get 300bhp safely out of a K03 but will take him 6months + to achieve it :party:
I'll have to wait 6 months then. This sounds interesting :). What would have to be changed for 300bhp :driver:
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The reason for TIV
The anti-jerk function detects oscillations of the power train and damps them out by applying opposing-phase torque interventions. The torque intervention is converted into an ignition angle offset by the torque interface.
In order to damp the power train oscillation efficiently, the torque intervention should counteract engine speed oscillations. Thereby the same effect is achieved as if the attenuation coefficient of the drive shaft is increased.
You can have more power/ Performance but still have exact same peak bhp. Peak bhp is only a reading at 1rpm point to show where the max hp point is.
Performance tuning is about getting as much power from the whole power band. The more average bhp the quicker the car.
I would be happy having a car with 230bhp and 200bhp average over a car with 250bhp and 180bhp average.
2hp peak is nothing, it could be a cooler day, better fuel.
The TIV and TIV+ mapping is allowing us to unlock power from the whole of the torque curve its not aimed to get peak numbers. The TIV mapping also transforms the car on part throttle light load driving. At the moment we are the only company to offer this full TIV reduction mapping for ME9 - MED9 and ME7.5 ecus. It wont be long before everyone catches up again..lol
Mk5 stock vs stage1 custom with TIV+
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1.8T K04 with stage2 and high flow manifold. This graph shows the same map back to back, the smoother map has just the TIV reduction added, so its running the exact same boost, fuel and timing requests. More power and EGTs where 120deg lower.
This both runs have a low filter in the dyno settings so show whats going on during the run. Most rolling roads will have high filters and the lower run with interventions would look smooth bust still lower power. having a low filter allows us to see where the opposing-phase torque interventions happen. But when we allow the timing with no interventions the graph is smooth and a lot stronger
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Got ya (i think, lol). I will have to pay you a visit soon then 'again' Nick!! That said, my clutch is slipping now, so may have to get an uprated one, great!!
PS. Saw you on Sky the other night, Fifth Gear, you trimmed your beard especially for the occasion i see!! :congrats:
Andrew
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How much is TIV+ remapping?
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Mine is manual i i dodne a 240 round trip would defently do it for 2bhp the differnce in the car is actally amazing they are brilliant bunch of lads
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Mine is manual i i dodne a 240 round trip would defently do it for 2bhp the differnce in the car is actally amazing they are brilliant bunch of lads
Hi, how much did the remap cost? if you dont mind me asking, and what revison DV have you got? thanks.
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How much is TIV+ remapping?
It's included as part of a standard remap :happy2:
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Mine is manual i i dodne a 240 round trip would defently do it for 2bhp the differnce in the car is actally amazing they are brilliant bunch of lads
Hi, how much did the remap cost? if you dont mind me asking, and what revison DV have you got? thanks.
It's around £250-300 I forget exactly. Certainly not a rip off :happy2:
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Nick r tech is that the graph from the map you done on my car yesterday
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Nick r tech is that the graph from the map you done on my car yesterday
The top graph is.
The R-Tech stage1 custom maps are only £290 all inc, That includes full health check, smoke test, stock dyno runs with data logging, the map custom adjusted on the dyno ect.. The map base code will have all the latest R-Tech mapping methods TiV+, and you can opt to have full 1:1 linear throttle maps, then later on in the year have the option run run 5 boost maps which can be changed on the fly by the driver.
Nick
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Hi Nick, may i ask plse what you mean by 'on the fly'?? Are these 5 boost maps something that current R Tech tuned cars can obtain if they pay you another visit??
Cheers
Andrew
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Hi Nick, may i ask plse what you mean by 'on the fly'?? Are these 5 boost maps something that current R Tech tuned cars can obtain if they pay you another visit??
Cheers
Andrew
When driving a long full throttle the driver "taps" the brake just to trigger the brake light this will then make engine light flash x amount of times, one flash full boost map1, 2 flash lower boost map 2 ect.. There are other methods to switch the map but the throttle v brake combination works the best from the feedback we are getting. The maps can also be just switched with the engine off.
Or you can switch the map so each gear has its own boost setting which is ideal for the wet winter months or 1/4 racing.
This is a big turbo conversion 1.8t Leon running N75 with our map switch. it take about 1 second to switch settings.
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Genius!!! :notworthy:
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Hmmm, about as clear (to me) as my road earlier this morning, :laugh:!!
Probably best i just come and see you again in the months ahead and get this tiv map and discuss further Nick, after i get an uprated clutch!!
Andrew
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No problem dude, I look forward to it. :happy2:
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so to switch the map you need to drive a long WOT pull, so you can tap the brake for it to change whilst looking at the flashing lights on the dash to see what map you have chosen. Is it just me who thinks thats abit dangerous?
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so to switch the map you need to drive a long WOT pull, so you can tap the brake for it to change whilst looking at the flashing lights on the dash to see what map you have chosen. Is it just me who thinks thats abit dangerous?
I guessing that for safety sake that it can also be done at a standstill! :grin:
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We do a similar thing with BMW MSD ecu's with the steering wheel buttons. Can switch from stock and stage 1/2/3 with the volume button on the wheel and rev counter shows which map you are on, 3k rpm = stage 3 0rpm = stock etc... Double press the volume down to go back to normal operation.
Maybe an external switch wired into brake light switch circuit could work? Plenty of blank switch positions available to utilise on the mk5 with an OE switch.
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so to switch the map you need to drive a long WOT pull, so you can tap the brake for it to change whilst looking at the flashing lights on the dash to see what map you have chosen. Is it just me who thinks thats abit dangerous?
Easy answer to that is dont have it dude if you dont feel safe.
There is about 12mm travel on the brake to trigger the the switch, There are many options methods to switch the maps but all the customers already running it opted for the brake and throttle method as it works best. You cannot really comment until you have drove the car and tried switching it can you?
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There is about 12mm travel on the brake to trigger the the switch, There are many options methods to switch the maps but all the customers already running it opted for the brake and throttle method as it works best. You cannot really comment until you have drove the car and tried switching it can you?
I switch mine via the cruise stalk. I just think that its a bit dodgy, especialy when you consider that it might be a K04 S2+ with 350Hp+ at WOT were talking about
So at what speed would you estimate the driver would be going when this switch occurs? What would you consider a long WOT pull, ie what gear and from what speed?
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lol I see where your coming from.
To change you can be at any speed, 3rd gear 30mph press throttle to the floor for spit second kiss the brake switch blink of an eye and map changed. I dont think anyone will be daft to try it whilst racing along at speed. Its an option so the driver dont have to pull over and switch engine off each time they want to change power outputs.
5th gear 30mph you can go to WOT without car picking up any speed then kiss brake.
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We do a similar thing with BMW MSD ecu's with the steering wheel buttons. Can switch from stock and stage 1/2/3 with the volume button on the wheel and rev counter shows which map you are on, 3k rpm = stage 3 0rpm = stock etc... Double press the volume down to go back to normal operation.
Maybe an external switch wired into brake light switch circuit could work? Plenty of blank switch positions available to utilise on the mk5 with an OE switch.
Any ecu switch input will work Dave, traction, aircon, blanks any thing which is _W in the software. Even the gear_w can be used to allow the maps to change on there own, this option can also have its own on off switch option.
We use the switch option linked to the brake switch on one car as the guy could not get his head around tapping the brake with his left foot
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Nick, are you doing this for Bill??
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Nick, are you doing this for Bill??
Yes, He was the guy who pointed out the was torque issues with the me7.5 ecu and gave me the task to try and resolve it. I spent a day down there live mapping on his dyno, but then took me another 2 months to find a fix from testing with customers cars. Bill is the only other tuner I have given the me7.5 TiV maps to. He not doing the TFSI TiV yet but as soon as he starts custom mapping them I will give him the codes. Bill is a tuner I rate high.
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Nick have you got any experience with the mk6 TSI motor yet?
The next car will be a TSI most likely and they seem to be getting good numbers especially with Revo stg 2.
Also have you seen worthwhile power from WMI on a k03 gti Tfsi?
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Nick, are you doing this for Bill??
Yes, He was the guy who pointed out the was torque issues with the me7.5 ecu and gave me the task to try and resolve it. I spent a day down there live mapping on his dyno, but then took me another 2 months to find a fix from testing with customers cars. Bill is the only other tuner I have given the me7.5 TiV maps to. He not doing the TFSI TiV yet but as soon as he starts custom mapping them I will give him the codes. Bill is a tuner I rate high.
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Thought you did :happy2:
Yes, I also rate Bill very highly too :smiley:
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Im getting my next set of discs machined by Bill :happy2:
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J hoock?
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No... elliptical most probably, I would love C hook (think alcon rotors) but dont know anywhere that does that. Do you do machining Damian?
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Yes, I do machining but we only have a small single powered miller so I cant do anything with curves :sad1:
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Nick have you got any experience with the mk6 TSI motor yet?
The next car will be a TSI most likely and they seem to be getting good numbers especially with Revo stg 2.
Also have you seen worthwhile power from WMI on a k03 gti Tfsi?
Not one I am looking to tune yet, they melt too easy lol. I turned around 6-7 1.4 tsi custom maps down over the last 18months. I am glad I did as I know 3 of them have had major engine failures. I will stick with 1.8t and 2.0t for now and bypass the 1.4tsi.
Mapped right and with the wastegate setup correct then I would say the ko3 with WMi would be happy 300bhp 340lbft. All the tfsi WMi work has been with the ko4.
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Forgive my ignorance Nick but what is WMi??
Cheers
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Forgive my ignorance Nick but what is WMi??
Cheers
WKD blue for engines!!!
Water methonal injection http://www.methanol-injection.co.uk/faq_1.php
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another costly mod no doubt, lol!!?? :evilgrin:
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another costly mod no doubt, lol!!?? :evilgrin:
Actually it's only about £250 plus buying the fluid. Bang for buck it's great value :happy2:
@R-Tech Nick - only the 1.4 TSI is the ticking time bomb, the 2.0 TSI is plenty strong. No fuelling issues like the TFSI either. Get on it fella :wink:
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how much is the fluid then?? Do you need to compliment with HPFP, etc??
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another costly mod no doubt, lol!!?? :evilgrin:
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Actually it's only about £250 plus buying the fluid. Bang for buck it's great value :happy2:
@R-Tech Nick - only the 1.4 TSI is the ticking time bomb, the 2.0 TSI is plenty strong. No fuelling issues like the TFSI either. Get on it fella :wink:
Yeah I actually meant the 2.0 TSI.
I wouldn't have a 1.4 after so many failures
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The Mrs' last mk5 GT Sport 1.4TSI sh*t its self too :sad1:
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how much is the fluid then?? Do you need to compliment with HPFP, etc??
Cheap as chips to run dude. Meth £20 for 25ltrs and demineralised water £15 25ltrs. Mix it 60% meth and 40% water set it up to inject only on full boost/power and the fluids could last 6+months.
It can also be mapped in via the ecu and using the AIT sensors as a trigger to add 4-6deg more timing on full load which can works our to 25lbft and 20+Bhp at points. Even on a stock / stage 1 car it's well worth the investment IMO.
I managed to run a 1.8t ko3s to 340lbft 264bhp with 70/30 mix WMi and some trick mapping. It made one of the other top 1.8t tuners jaw drop when we ran it on his dyno.
So you can just bolt it on to any car and use it to aid charge cooling and timing corrections which keep the engine more effichent, or to get its full potential map it in and see nice power gains.
Another advantage with WMI is that it keeps the inlet side clean, it stops carbon build up on the back of the inlet valves.. Which for £250 investment and £50-100 a year to run is one of the best mods ever for a tfsi / GDi engine. It's just strange how not many mk5 tfsi owners are not running it. Lots of 1.8t owners are taking advantage of WMi setups.
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Nick, me thinks u have sold it to me lol! Would it work in unison with the tiv+map I will be seeing u about in the next couple of mths? Would u be able to source it for me and fit, or is it best I purchase myself? I'm about to have a Helix Stage 1 clutch fitted, will this handle the extra power, bearing in mind you have already sourced me 331lbs of torque??
Andrew
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I think I have also been talked into having a Stage 1 remap with WMi , its rude not to isnt it .
I will be paying Nick a visit once the weather starts to improve .
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Meth= POWER.
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Meth helps suppress pre detonation, it take the Ron rating of the fuel higher. The water has oxygen in which aid the combustion. Both liquids also aid combustion temp cooling.
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Morning Nick, can I take it then that u do fit there kits? Are they tweaked around existing r tech maps, even tiv+??
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Hi,
We don't supply or fit the kits dude. You can run it on your current map and be fine, or you can book some dyno time and have the map custom setup to take into account the WMI.
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Ah ok, I will look into that then Nick! Will it work with the TiV update too?
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TIV will work at any stage of tune. Even stock map and boost, fuel and ignition it gains 12bhp
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I have found a source for the kit and fitting, apparently a lot more complicated, not to mention expensive than what I thought, but by all accounts the benefits and gains are big, so will be wanting you Nick plse to do me a custom map around the kit, including pre tuned and tuned dynos probably! Have you got a documented price for this sort of tuning plse Nick, bearing in mind I already have one of your Stage 1.5 maps?
Many thanks
Andrew
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I have found a source for the kit and fitting, apparently a lot more complicated, not to mention expensive than what I thought, but by all accounts the benefits and gains are big, so will be wanting you Nick plse to do me a custom map around the kit, including pre tuned and tuned dynos probably! Have you got a documented price for this sort of tuning plse Nick, bearing in mind I already have one of your Stage 1.5 maps?
Many thanks
Andrew
You just pay per hour for dyno time to setup the WMi and mapping
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Cheers, may I ask plse what yr hourly rate for dyno and tuning is for the WMi is(hoping a morning appt wud cover it, lol!?) :$