MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: john_o on July 09, 2009, 01:17:39 pm
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I have resisted this for a while but I feel its time to start 'weighing' up the options. :wink:
dan.payne and SteveP have both fitted H&R 30mm drop springs with OE dampers to good effect.
>> dans lowered ED30 + spacers (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5447.0)
The options are
1. Springs only (use OE dampers) (£200 + fitting)
2. Spring + Damper set (£500 + fitting)
3. Coilovers (£700)
The car is remapped with WALKit , my journeys are primarily road based commuting with occasional 'fun' drag strip / track days etc.
So the balance must remain to be OE like and cannot be too low.
Obviously with ££££ I would go coilovers but I reckon I dont need them.
I am currently erring towards the H&R kit using the OE dampers as it seems a good compromise.
I'm interested to hear peoples views.
1. Why are H&R (£230) so much more expensive compared to Eibach/a.n.other springs (£130) ??? and are they worth it?
2. What drop ? Interestingly VWR spring kit only drops by 15mm! common drops are 30 or 40mm
3. Anyone else change the topmounts (for new OE ones) whilst your at it?
4. Should I consider moving up to a matched spring/damper set OR even coilovers?
thanks
John
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I've got option 1. Eibach Pro plus original Sachs dampers. It's perhaps not low enough for some, but I like it and the ride and handling have improved. - be sure to get a good alignment job done after.
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I need to have a go in Flora's to give some accurate feedback but I don't get why the H&R's are so much more than Eibach's? :confused:
Saying that they are much cheaper from Orange Tuning! :wink:
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For reference:
Eibach Pro-Kit
Standard Dampers
10mm Hubcentric Spacers
= Tough Stance IMO! :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk284%2FGreenouse%2FP2210004.jpg&hash=e87aa4a74f95f94817ceb69b476e97ca230e6e92)
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I've never been a fan of running uprated springs with OE dampers, but because funds are a bit tight and I got the H&R springs cheap I thought I'd give it a try and am pleasantly suprised with the results. I figured that the dampers are so new they will last a while and if they get tired I'll change them then. I will probably change the dampers to some Bilstein's or similar in time.
I used the Eibach springs on my mk5 with there own dampers and they were pretty good, but I do rate the H&R springs :happy2:
I ran the Eibach coilovers on the GTI just as Hurdy is and for the money I thought they were top notch, if money was no object I'd probably go for some KW's or Bilstein coilovers.
How many miles has your car done now John, might be worth trying just the springs and maybe changing the dampers at a later date? although you do have to fit twice then :smiley:
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keep the info coming... :happy2:
Greenouse : eibachs look great and yeah havent seen a concrete reason for the price premium yet!
Gaz : 24k miles so still fresh ish, so yes Im tempted to just do springs. Who knows what happens next year :wink:
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My car is on eibach springs and standard dampers, never had a problem with them yet and love the ride.
basically, it doesnt feel like its killing the dampers every time you hit a bump, far from it.
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Im sure the VW dampers on these Mk5's are upto the job of handling tougher spring rates etc. Its A VW at the end of the day.
Ride quality IMO is not far from how mine felt with the standard setup.
It was all about the stance and look for me :rolleye:
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:grouphug:
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I've just brought the H&R springs for mine; I couldn't be bothered with coilovers due to its mainly going to be used on road so the premium for a decent set far out weighed the benefits. I can't comment on the H&R's yet due to having them fitted next Friday but if you’re still in limbo I'll put my first impressions on here.
As for the cost they can be had from orange tuning for £170 I think and mine came within 3 days of being ordered which is tip top for saying they came from Germany.
Luke
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great pic dan! ;)
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someone got the orange tuning link??? at £170 thats a lot closer....
dan you pic tart :happy2: , I dont intend to run spacers though :sad:
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http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtgti-sport-springs-30mm-p-1053.html (http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtgti-sport-springs-30mm-p-1053.html)
:happy2:
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someone got the orange tuning link??? at £170 thats a lot closer....
dan you pic tart :happy2: , I dont intend to run spacers though :sad:
:signLOL: sorry
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oops :grin:
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nice one :happy2:
So we have
H&R 30mm drop GTI Springs only (http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtgti-sport-springs-30mm-p-1053.html) 200 euros
H&R Suspension Kit GTI 20-35mm drop (http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtigt-sport-cupkit-comfort-suspensionkit-2530mm-p-12955.html) 520 euros
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I ran the Eibach coilovers on the GTI just as Hurdy is and for the money I thought they were top notch, if money was no object I'd probably go for some KW's or Bilstein coilovers.
The Eibach Pro S coilovers are great. I don't really need damping and spring rate adjustment, so they are a really good set - especially for what I paid for them :happy2:
They have now done approx 10k miles and are still as tight as ever. :smiley:
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nice one :happy2:
So we have
H&R 30mm drop GTI Springs only (http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtgti-sport-springs-30mm-p-1053.html) 200 euros
H&R Suspension Kit GTI 20-35mm drop (http://www.orange-tuning.de/shop/golf-gtigt-sport-cupkit-comfort-suspensionkit-2530mm-p-12955.html) 520 euros
The kit is including dampers :happy2:
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Does anyone have the part number for the H&R's? I've found a set on German eBay but would just like to double check that they are the genuine thing (and what I am actually after). Sadly my German language has seen better days :scared:
I think the dampers will atleast be up to the challenge for the time I will own the car. People run into trouble when they fit lowering springs to dampers that have seen 70k etc. Then you just asking for trouble.
Think of it this way: by the time they are shagged, you will be tempted with another mod ----> new dampers.
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I need to have a go in Flora's to give some accurate feedback but I don't get why the H&R's are so much more than Eibach's? :confused:
Saying that they are much cheaper from Orange Tuning! :wink:
You only have to ask sir! :happy2:
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i have spoken to loads of people about this now and the eibach sportlines lower the gti/ed 30 by 25 mm as do the h&r s , the h&r are aparently a little stiffer than the eibach s
eibach say that dont need to change the standard dampers unless they have covered a fair few miles as in good condition the spring will not wear them at all , if they are fairly worn the new springs will in deed speed up there demise !!!!!
if you go for the eibach dampers they are same as oem but 25% uprated !!!
told this by eibach them selves they are just up the road from me :happy2:
having sportlines fitted on thursday :jumpmove:
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i have spoken to loads of people about this now and the eibach sportlines lower the gti/ed 30 by 25 mm as do the h&r s , the h&r are aparently a little stiffer than the eibach s
eibach say that dont need to change the standard dampers unless they have covered a fair few miles as in good condition the spring will not wear them at all , if they are fairly worn the new springs will in deed speed up there demise !!!!!
if you go for the eibach dampers they are same as oem but 25% uprated !!!
told this by eibach them selves they are just up the road from me :happy2:
having sportlines fitted on thursday :jumpmove:
Get the pics up when you have them fitted. I have a set in my garage and need something to tide me over! :laugh:
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For reference:
Eibach Pro-Kit
Standard Dampers
10mm Hubcentric Spacers
= Tough Stance IMO! :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk284%2FGreenouse%2FP2210004.jpg&hash=e87aa4a74f95f94817ceb69b476e97ca230e6e92)
hi nath , ithought you had sportlines ?????????? :happy2:
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For reference:
Eibach Pro-Kit
Standard Dampers
10mm Hubcentric Spacers
= Tough Stance IMO! :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk284%2FGreenouse%2FP2210004.jpg&hash=e87aa4a74f95f94817ceb69b476e97ca230e6e92)
hi nath , ithought you had sportlines ?????????? :happy2:
:chicken: :chicken:
:signLOL: You may have a Point Mr Smarty Pants! :laugh: :wink: :happy2:
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Does anyone have the part number for the H&R's? I've found a set on German eBay but would just like to double check that they are the genuine thing (and what I am actually after). Sadly my German language has seen better days :scared:
I think the dampers will atleast be up to the challenge for the time I will own the car. People run into trouble when they fit lowering springs to dampers that have seen 70k etc. Then you just asking for trouble.
Think of it this way: by the time they are shagged, you will be tempted with another mod ----> new dampers.
This first is all of the information from the springs:
KBA 91056
29176 VA (F) - the F means front spring to clear that up.
And the information from the box:
SPORTFEDERSATZ
MIT ABE
29176 - 1
Sportfadersatz fur VW golf V GTi+GT sport typ 1K, Seat Leon typ 1P inkl FR.
rot beschichet VA: 29176VA (F)/ HA: 29176HA (R)
All you need to ensure is that the part number is 29176 and this should cover you. You may also find that in the pics the springs are illustrated with a black picture but the springs are actually red.
Hope all this helps, Luke :happy2:
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had the eibach s fitted this morning and i have to say i am very pleased with them , the ride is pretty much as it was (may be slightly crashier over the potholes but could be in my head !!!!) it has lowered it by 23 mm and imo its spot on just waiting for h&r 8 mm spacers now for the rear
any one remembering my old fk spacers that broke ??? and the thread on customer service VENOM MOTORSPORT ARE FU$&*"* USE LESS AND WOULD NT RECOMMEND THEM TO ANY ONE !!!!!!
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we need pics :laugh:
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will put a few pics on later today !! had my oem sachs dampers properly tested too cause had eibach dampers ready to go on too but they said i did nt need them as mine were as new :happy2:
and every one that asked about my wheels , i m sticking with them for now dont think i need 19 s now its been lowered but who knows cant get them oz s out my head !!!!!!!!!!
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a few pics , cant wait to get spacers ......
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Looks great Ian! :happy2:
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looks fab , you got any pics before???
mine seems awfully low as std :surprised:
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Looking good IAN :happy2:
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Looking good IAN :happy2:
this pics from before it was done the others are after , cant see too well with the dark wheels but imo looks spot on , just need spacers now but non in country !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just had mine fitted today and took it out for a quick spin.
Initial impressions are very good. Over normal roads it’s almost identical if not smoother on the smooth roads.
Get it onto a B road where the roads are a bit rougher its not crashy but you can certainly feel the road a lot more through the car, mainly crevasses, mounds etc. All of which I was after.
The body roll seems to have been reduced significantly.
Its pissing it down at the minute so haven't had chance to push it to its limits but I'll certainly give it a good going over when it dries out.
As for ride height, it no longer looks like a 4x4, the fronts sitting almost flush and the rear has a slight gap, but the car looks very level, planted and a hell of a lot more aggressive.
I'm going to give it a few days to settle then get it all tracked up because its pulling ever so slightly to the left but thats expected :smiley:
So overall impressions very good. Will crack a few pics up when a few other goodies have arrived hopefully tomorrow :drool:
Luke
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i had mine 4 wheel lazer aligned after fitting and i was quite suprised when they altered some settings , i did nt think they would have to !! :happy2:
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more pics
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Looks much much better now it is lower :happy2:
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Im sure the VW dampers on these Mk5's are upto the job of handling tougher spring rates etc. Its A VW at the end of the day.
Ride quality IMO is not far from how mine felt with the standard setup.
It was all about the stance and look for me :rolleye:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fgazzajones%2FSexy_Photoshoot%2FDSC_0131.jpg&hash=41250c31fff37a236d1d268dbfeca2f8e7dc48dc)
whats the tyre to arch gap when using the H&R and the Eibach sportline?