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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:02:27 am

Title: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:02:27 am
An S6 Audi Allroad 2.7T Bi-turbo Quattro with a Revo Stage 1 remap taking it from 250bhp to 315bhp, and 259ib/ft to 369 lb/ft of torque?

Taking into account Greener's comment about power delivery of non-turbo cars, this would cover that one off. It's also 4wd, the boot is huge and the seats fold dead flat, so it ticks all the work boxes.

Or are there better A6 based models with this engine in terms of driver enjoyment? Or is the 4.2 in this a better bet?

Help appreciated. A small part of me dies every time I have to get in a Transit Connect every morning and evening.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: andrewparker on January 27, 2013, 09:05:06 am
535d Touring :happy2:
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: rich83 on January 27, 2013, 09:05:58 am
Why not just buy the car that you want to buy?

Does the SPS switch work with the S6?
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:07:36 am
535d Touring :happy2:

I want to stay VAG. I also need 4wd. One of the key requirements is to be able to get to all my clients in the Surrey Hills and other rural areas when the weather is like this.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:10:22 am
Why not just buy the car that you want to buy?

Does the SPS switch work with the S6?

Richard, the car I wanted to buy was the S4, but having measured my neighbours B6 Avant boot, it's not big enough. I've now identified the A6 as big enough, so I'm asking for opinions on those. I need 4wd, estate, and power! Fun also welcome!

For the 2.7 Biturbo, the SPS works for boost and timing only. Not sure if it allows 3 performance modes.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: andrewparker on January 27, 2013, 09:12:55 am
535d Touring :happy2:

I want to stay VAG. I also need 4wd. One of the key requirements is to be able to get to all my clients in the Surrey Hills and other rural areas when the weather is like this.

Fair enough. I do like the AllRoad models. An Audi without the bling!
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: MAT ED30 on January 27, 2013, 09:16:13 am
Keep an eye on the air ride they break loads also try get Manuel ie less to wrong as most are auto what about the derv version it's supposed to be a great engine
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:22:23 am
Keep an eye on the air ride they break loads also try get Manuel ie less to wrong as most are auto what about the derv version it's supposed to be a great engine

I've looked at the 2.5TDI, but I doubt it'll deliver the fun factor. It'll also sound terrible. I'd deffinitely go manual though, as I'm seriously anti-auto! 2 pedals bad, 3 pedals good!
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 09:29:58 am

Or alternatively...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301094845297/sort/default/usedcars/model/s6/make/audi/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/page/1/radius/1500/postcode/gu33hn?logcode=p

Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: camfollower on January 27, 2013, 09:38:05 am
I definitely agree with you to go manual if your wanting to control snow/ice traction more effectively.  However, unless you've got the clearance the difference between 4wd and 2wd with winter tyres won't have as much benefit as your probably thinking.  Leaving summer tyres on the 4wd wil make the whole thing useless in the snow, but I know your not even considering that.

So if you haven't got the clearance of a jacked all sport or proper 4wd then the drifts will stop you before the 4wd / 2wd issue presents itself.

How about an ugly Subaru Forester Turbo?
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Horatio on January 27, 2013, 09:42:57 am
http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/land-rover/discovery/2004-land-rover-discovery-td5-commercial-vfpa-8ab1f63f3ba7d893013c1f1dc5627277/makemodel/make/land-rover/model/discovery

http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-vans/land-rover/discovery/2005-land-rover-discovery-commercial-td-v6-diesel-preston-vfpa-8a63af303ba7da48013be6b1365e7e07/makemodel/make/land-rover/model/discovery

The second one, the loading bay is HHHUUUUaaaaaGGGEEE ! :happy2:
The father-in-law says they remap very healthy  :driver:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.autotrader.co.uk%2Fmerlin-image-server%2Fview%2F06f84e7d-d1f9-48e7-a271-385c1530dfa1%2F600&hash=dd88d5b820d4e278e72c91f934e7d2db2f0fce75)
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: camfollower on January 27, 2013, 09:49:25 am
Proper sleeper when mapped
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301225003068/sort/default/usedcars/transmission/manual/fuel-type/petrol/model/forester/make/subaru/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/cw113ne/keywords/turbo?logcode=p

Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 10:03:57 am
I definitely agree with you to go manual if your wanting to control snow/ice traction more effectively.  However, unless you've got the clearance the difference between 4wd and 2wd with winter tyres won't have as much benefit as your probably thinking.  Leaving summer tyres on the 4wd wil make the whole thing useless in the snow, but I know your not even considering that.

So if you haven't got the clearance of a jacked all sport or proper 4wd then the drifts will stop you before the 4wd / 2wd issue presents itself.

How about an ugly Subaru Forester Turbo?

I've been looking at these for ages. The 2 Scoobys also in consideration are the Forester 2.5XT (seriously quick) and the Legacy 3.0R Spec B. But I have owned 9 Golfs, and I really want to keep everything VAG if possible, hence these recent threads.

The Subarus are great cars, but the interiors (especially the Forester) are woeful. My new Girlfriend has a 2.0 Forester XT Turbo, and I drove that last weekend and it was fun, but the plastics are awful! Its like an eighties Nissan Bluebird in there! She has had no problems getting around in it when it snowed, and they 10 inches of snow where she lives.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: tony_danza on January 27, 2013, 10:04:40 am
Air-ride on the A6 is no longer a massive four figure problem, Votex do a repair kit for £100 or so plus labour.

And you're right, the boot on my A6 is huuuuuuuge. it'll easily take a king sized double mattress with the bootlid closed!
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 10:07:19 am
Proper sleeper when mapped
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301225003068/sort/default/usedcars/transmission/manual/fuel-type/petrol/model/forester/make/subaru/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/page/1/postcode/cw113ne/keywords/turbo?logcode=p



I've seen that one! A lot of car for the money. 2.5T before mapping is quick!
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: tony_danza on January 27, 2013, 10:13:58 am
It's also worth noting that all the farmers around here have Subarus, there's some pretty battered and old examples around, so they must hold up well.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Andy on January 27, 2013, 10:16:23 am
the turbo scoobys we never really see at work and most of the farmers have them round here
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 10:17:24 am
It's also worth noting that all the farmers around here have Subarus, there's some pretty battered and old examples around, so they must hold up well.

The GF's 2.0XT is on 132k on an 03 plate, and it feels really tight. Tough as old boots.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Oli on January 27, 2013, 12:10:24 pm
Remember you will have £40k, not £5k  running costs to go with it. 
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: phil1975 on January 27, 2013, 02:19:47 pm
Skoda Octavia 4x4 estate?? with the 1.8 petrol turbo engine, good for a re-map?, good prices, and still a vag don't know about the boot size though.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 03:38:24 pm
Remember you will have £40k, not £5k  running costs to go with it. 

Yep, prepared for that.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: andrewparker on January 27, 2013, 03:43:45 pm
Remember you will have £40k, not £5k  running costs to go with it. 

Yep, prepared for that.

Is it worth it though? I mean I've no doubt that these engines are good but is the car powered by it any good? The A6 has always just struck me as a barge.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Hedge on January 27, 2013, 03:55:12 pm
S6 is great.

Also had a 2.7T A6 which was good but loads of driveline shunt. Auto would have been a better choice.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 27, 2013, 04:38:46 pm

It's a bloody nightmare trying to find a manual petrol one of these. There's only 3 in the country on Autotrader. Like rocking horse sh1t.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Hedge on January 27, 2013, 05:03:05 pm
Manual S6? Wasn't available over here as a manual.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 28, 2013, 12:41:20 pm
Bare in mind tuning an old(ish) turbo car will highlight weaknesses in the mechanicals which could be very costly - clutch, gearbox ect. As cars these are often high mileage you could eng up forking out for a new turbo etc.

Just something to consider before you make your purchase Ian  :happy2:
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: wigit on January 28, 2013, 02:58:10 pm
I think if you are using any vehicle for work and work for yourself in the current climate you do have to think 'what impression of me does this give' and look what our base criteria is which by the sounds of it is 4wd and a decent amount of space, I am very conscious of this for consultancy work I undertake these days and low running, fuel and maintenance costs are key for me.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: RedRobin on January 28, 2013, 03:02:23 pm

It's also worth noting that all the farmers around here have Subarus, there's some pretty battered and old examples around, so they must hold up well.


....Same here in West Dorset/East Devon/South Somerset but I don't think Ian wants something quite so 'agricultural'.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: RedRobin on January 28, 2013, 03:04:32 pm

Skoda Octavia 4x4 estate?? with the 1.8 petrol turbo engine, good for a re-map?, good prices, and still a vag don't know about the boot size though.


....A mate of mine who lives on Exmoor (highest located house on Exmoor and up a track) is now on his second one - Excellent car but I don't think that the load space will be big enough for Ian.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 28, 2013, 04:42:19 pm
Manual S6? Wasn't available over here as a manual.

Sorry Ian, I'm talking about the Allroad.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 28, 2013, 04:50:49 pm
I think if you are using any vehicle for work and work for yourself in the current climate you do have to think 'what impression of me does this give' and look what our base criteria is which by the sounds of it is 4wd and a decent amount of space, I am very conscious of this for consultancy work I undertake these days and low running, fuel and maintenance costs are key for me.

I agree, it's nice to turn up to a client's house in something decent. When I turn up in the Golf, the husband usually get's quite excited and it gets some good banter going (most of my clients were 80's yuppies at some point, and usually owned a mk1 or Mk2 GTi or both). A tidy Audi Allroad looking completely standard has got to be better than turning up in a Transit Connect, hasn't it?
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 28, 2013, 04:56:21 pm

It's also worth noting that all the farmers around here have Subarus, there's some pretty battered and old examples around, so they must hold up well.


....Same here in West Dorset/East Devon/South Somerset but I don't think Ian wants something quite so 'agricultural'.

I think they're quite a classless car actually. Around the towns and villages near Hindhead (Churt, Frensham, Farnham etc)  the farmers love them as well, but so do yummy mummies (my GF is case in point) doctors, retired dog owners, solicitors etc. They are similar to the Golf in that respect in my opinion.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: RedRobin on January 28, 2013, 05:13:13 pm

I think if you are using any vehicle for work and work for yourself in the current climate you do have to think 'what impression of me does this give' and look what our base criteria is which by the sounds of it is 4wd and a decent amount of space, I am very conscious of this for consultancy work I undertake these days and low running, fuel and maintenance costs are key for me.


I agree, it's nice to turn up to a client's house in something decent. When I turn up in the Golf, the husband usually get's quite excited and it gets some good banter going (most of my clients were 80's yuppies at some point, and usually owned a mk1 or Mk2 GTi or both). A tidy Audi Allroad looking completely standard has got to be better than turning up in a Transit Connect, hasn't it?


....It depends what business/profession you are in.

The same applies to what you turn up to a new potential client wearing. Creatives don't usually turn up in suits for example.

I once turned up at Grosvenor House (Park Lane, London, in case you don't know!) for a meeting at 9:00am Monday morning to present design proposals to the board of directors of Trusthouse Forte (I had been introduced by Lord Charles Spencer Churchill) - I was on a bicycle and it was wet and I had on high-viz wet wetwear. It was a competitive pitch and I won the job which then entailed a world trip art directing photography and designing and printing a brochure for Rocco to impress The Savoy shareholders.

On another occasion I was invited to The Duchess of York's (aka Fergie) parents house near Basingstoke to present myself for a project. At the time I was running a very beat-up Talbot which I never bothered to wash and which had a big bumper sticker. I parked it out of sight outside the high wall surrounding the circular drive at the house's entrance door. When the Major walked me to the door after our meeting he couldn't see a car and so asked me how on earth I had arrived. I explained that my car was beyond the wall and to my initial horror he out of courtesy walked me to my car! I tell you, it means diddly-squat. If it does mean something to a client, then are they the sort of people you want to work for?

So, my advice is to hell with what you think the conventions are - Just be yourself and not what you think people want you to be. In my not inconsiderable experience, clients will respect you for it and also remember you.
Title: Re: B6 S4 Boot too small, so what about......Opinions gratefully received
Post by: Mk5 GTian on January 28, 2013, 05:35:53 pm
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Agreed, but my main reason for changing is to get a vehicle which can cope with the winter, get me to places where the Tranny lets me down when it snows, but is also fun to drive, manual and petrol. It's bloomin' difficult to find one that fit's the bill for no more than 7k!!