MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: islander on January 27, 2013, 05:33:00 pm
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Basically will I see a noticeable difference ?
I'm running stage 1 blue fin at the moment and it doesn't feel like 300 bhp ?
Maybe need to check my dv how do I do it ?
Or will I not see 300 with just a map?
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You obviously have K04.
What sort of lb/ft is the Stage 1 bluefin map for Ed.30? This is what you feel more than the power. I would've thought at least 300lb/ft.
Check DV by getting the motor in the air on the TFSI, easier on the TSI from engine bay. Probably best to just buy a new rev G and have it fitted.
300hp on stage 1 K04 is certainly achievable.
Noteworthy that the K04 comes in later than the K03 probably around 3.2k and above, but holds for longer and much more powerful.
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Check DV here :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27003.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27003.0.html)
No need to "get it in the air" on KO4 :happy2:
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Damn, learn something everyday, they relocated the DV on the K04... thought it was just TSI, my bad.
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APR have the 50% off deal if you change to their map from a competitors map so a cheaper route to more power.
I've no experience of bluefin on the KO4 but i had it on the KO3 tfsi and it was much slower than all the other maps such as APR, REVO, Shark etc. That said o the kO4 Hedges old ed30 with bluefin matched the revo cars for power iirc
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You obviously have K04.
What sort of lb/ft is the Stage 1 bluefin map for Ed.30? This is what you feel more than the power. I would've thought at least 300lb/ft.
Check DV by getting the motor in the air on the TFSI, easier on the TSI from engine bay. Probably best to just buy a new rev G and have it fitted.
300hp on stage 1 K04 is certainly achievable.
Noteworthy that the K04 comes in later than the K03 probably around 3.2k and above, but holds for longer and much more powerful.
They say around 288 ft/lb and 307 bhp on their site.
I may get it rolling roaded this week for piece of mind!
Check DV here :happy2:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27003.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,27003.0.html)
No need to "get it in the air" on KO4 :happy2:
Thank you mate :)
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APR have the 50% off deal if you change to their map from a competitors map so a cheaper route to more power.
I've no experience of bluefin on the KO4 but i had it on the KO3 tfsi and it was much slower than all the other maps such as APR, REVO, Shark etc. That said o the kO4 Hedges old ed30 with bluefin matched the revo cars for power iirc
Oh so they are making the same power on ed30's?
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Damn, learn something everyday, they relocated the DV on the K04... thought it was just TSI, my bad.
The TSI has the DV in the turbo like K03's.
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Going from one big tuner to another won't make much difference, maybe a few HP in it :confused:
I heard that one of the Superchips mappers has recently gone to Revo - so you maybe paying the same again for the same map :grin:
R-Tech custom with tiv mapping will give you a set up tailored to your driving style, Free fault finding and a lifetime of aftercare. May only give a few bhp above bluefin but is cheaper and set up exactly to your mods. I'm yet to hear a bad word about them. . .
You pays ya money, you take your choice :happy2:
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Going from one big tuner to another won't make much difference, maybe a few HP in it :confused:
I heard that one of the Superchips mappers has recently gone to Revo - so you maybe paying the same again for the same map :grin:
R-Tech custom with tiv mapping will give you a set up tailored to your driving style, Free fault finding and a lifetime of aftercare. May only give a few bhp above bluefin but is cheaper and set up exactly to your mods. I'm yet to hear a bad word about them. . .
You pays ya money, you take your choice :happy2:
Well I have blue fin already so might not be worth the change at all?'
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Your only stage 1 so the difference is minimal between all the tuners. Differences begin to appear the higher tuned the car becomes
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I think Bluefin always seems a bit low on torque in comparison to the other tuners... however, this may preserve your clutch and also help you put the power down into the corners etc.. 300+bhp is not to be sniffed at m8 :happy2:
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I think Bluefin always seems a bit low on torque in comparison to the other tuners... however, this may preserve your clutch and also help you put the power down into the corners etc.. 300+bhp is not to be sniffed at m8 :happy2:
No defiantly not!
Just doesn't feel 300 bhp
I used to drive a 280 bhp stage 2 focus st and it seems around the same just less push in the seat as the 5 cylinders make so much torque!
Think I may get it rolling roaded for piece of mind!
I had my st done at the same place so will have something to compare it to!
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I think Bluefin always seems a bit low on torque in comparison to the other tuners... however, this may preserve your clutch and also help you put the power down into the corners etc.. 300+bhp is not to be sniffed at m8 :happy2:
No defiantly not!
Just doesn't feel 300 bhp
I used to drive a 280 bhp stage 2 focus st and it seems around the same just less push in the seat as the 5 cylinders make so much torque!
Think I may get it rolling roaded for piece of mind!
I had my st done at the same place so will have something to compare it to!
Sounds sensbile to get it on the rollers. The ST should be similar to the ED.30 in the torque department after remaps - perhaps the ST would hold the torque for longer, do you have any maps to compare?
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R-tech Stage1 with TIV = night and day. If not u don't pay.
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R-tech Stage1 with TIV = night and day. If not u don't pay.
What's tiv?
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Our latest generation of mapping
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.15.html
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I had my stage one edition 30 on the rollers at JKM and it made 286bhp and 310 ft/lb not the 307bhp they say on there web sight. (Not that I was hoping for that anyway)
I am happy with my map. And I am sometimes surprised what my car can keep up with (up to 70mph;)
If I was going to start again it would be a bluefin or r-tech.
All the others cost a lot more.
I would say stick with your bluefin or get a custom map.
r-tech can make you a map to how you what it.
And from reading what others have to say about them they are great at what they do.
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I've had both Bluefin and R Tech!! Which do i wish i had saved up the pennies for and chosen, R Tech!! Which was cheapest, R Tech!! Which is tuned to my particular car, R Tech!! Which offers the best after-service, R Tech!! Who did Fifth Gear choose for testing different fuels, R Tech!! I could go on....and on....and on!! :notworthy:
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I would only consider a tuner change if your planning on going stage 2+ and on. There is very little difference in terms of on the road performance between the likes of Bluefin, Revo and others. Or put it terms on whether is worth spending another £500 to switch tuners to gain very little.
Yes some tuners may give you 5-10bhp more, but if you don't have the tyres nor methods of controlling that traction with these FWD cars, it really isn't worth it.
I know that my bluefin 2 will happily keep with any other tuners stage code on the road, a lot also depends on its drivers skill aswell.
The DSG will also give you added gains on much more powerful cars just for the fact the way these GTi's put the power down without fighting torque steer and axel tramp than some other cars.
I too highly Rate Nick at R-Tech. Just a shame he's not closer to me as he would be someone I would want to tweak stuff etc.
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APR have the 50% off deal if you change to their map from a competitors map so a cheaper route to more power.
I've no experience of bluefin on the KO4 but i had it on the KO3 tfsi and it was much slower than all the other maps such as APR, REVO, Shark etc. That said o the kO4 Hedges old ed30 with bluefin matched the revo cars for power iirc
I have no doubt mine goes the same as Ian's old motor did too.
People dismiss Bluefin too much, but on the K04, cracking 100 in 10.1 on the runway the other week, it's no slouch.
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Our latest generation of mapping
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.15.html
So you mean If I wasn't to feel a difference I wouldn't pay and would go back to bluefin?
I rung up and spoke to one of the guys at r tech and they I would be looking at 280 bhp on stage one.
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Our latest generation of mapping
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.15.html
So you mean If I wasn't to feel a difference I wouldn't pay and would go back to bluefin?
I rung up and spoke to one of the guys at r tech and they I would be looking at 280 bhp on stage one.
Mine made 283.4bhp with Cat back with Bluefin stage 1 at JKM many moons ago.
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Our latest generation of mapping
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.15.html
So you mean If I wasn't to feel a difference I wouldn't pay and would go back to bluefin?
I rung up and spoke to one of the guys at r tech and they I would be looking at 280 bhp on stage one.
Mine made 283.4bhp with Cat back with Bluefin stage 1 at JKM many moons ago.
So there's not much Chance it's making the 307 blue fin claim?
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Our latest generation of mapping
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.15.html
So you mean If I wasn't to feel a difference I wouldn't pay and would go back to bluefin?
I rung up and spoke to one of the guys at r tech and they I would be looking at 280 bhp on stage one.
Mine made 283.4bhp with Cat back with Bluefin stage 1 at JKM many moons ago.
So there's not much Chance it's making the 307 blue fin claim?
On their own rolling road yes :signLOL:.. My Standard Ed30 made 257bhp on their own rollers before it had any go faster bits put on, so 307 stage 1 is very possible.
Being realistic, stage 1 with no other add ons, expect 280.
I'm running stage 2 Bluefin with full milltek and intake and its around 305-310, and no slouch
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I totally agree with what Steve has said above, running a Stage 2 Bluefin'd Eddie in the best colour :evilgrin:
I know that there are plenty of of other tuners out there that will get slightly more bang for your buck but I've been more than happy with Bluefin going from standard to Stage 1 and then Stage 1 to Stage 2 in the past 12 months. Definitely very noticeable power increase and mine feels pretty awesome as it is at the moment.
Having said all that and did I live closer, I would certainly give R-Tech a try from all the great feedback they get.
If I do end up going to Stage 2+ then I may jump off the Bluefin ship and over to a custom tuner like R-tech but as it is I'm a happy camper, plenty of power when needed and still decent mpg when taking it easy.
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I totally agree with what Steve has said above, running a Stage 2 Bluefin'd Eddie in the best colour :evilgrin:
I know that there are plenty of of other tuners out there that will get slightly more bang for your buck but I've been more than happy with Bluefin going from standard to Stage 1 and then Stage 1 to Stage 2 in the past 12 months. Definitely very noticeable power increase and mine feels pretty awesome as it is at the moment.
Having said all that and did I live closer, I would certainly give R-Tech a try from all the great feedback they get.
If I do end up going to Stage 2+ then I may jump off the Bluefin ship and over to a custom tuner like R-tech but as it is I'm a happy camper, plenty of power when needed and still decent mpg when taking it easy.
2nd that, I wouldn't go with stage 3 with S.C. Nick is the best man to speak to. I can't see me going any further, it would be more stress on the car for another 25bhp isn't really worth it , when you need to consider how to traction'alise it so to speak.It dam quick as is lol