MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 07:58:42 am

Title: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 07:58:42 am
Hi guys,

I've posted about this a while back but now i've driven the GTI for longer, I can explain better what the actual problem is...

So lets say im stopped at the traffic lights and im in first gear and my foot in down on the clutch... when its time to pull off obviously I take my foot off the clutch and onto the accelerator... However when I do this I fail to get a smooth pull off.

I either rev the engine too much and then when my foot is fully off the clutch it kinda wants to surge forward to quickly or I get wheel spin in some cases... I also get the same thing if I take my foot off the clutch too quick... OR if I pull off giving it less gas it feels very slightly juddery as though it was going to stall until I give it more on the accelerator...

I just can't seem to get a quick smooth start. What I have to do is very very very slowly take my foot of the clutch while very very very slowly putting my foot on the accelerator accelerator at the same time, by which time its took a few seconds to actually pull off...

i want to be able to pull off quickly without trying to find the perfect balance between clutch and accelerator... Doing my head in now I just can't get used to it! Im not sure if this is how these cars are or if it could be a problem with my clutch etc?

Any help would be appreciated :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Saintsteve on January 29, 2013, 08:02:30 am
release bearing on the clutch U.S?
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Hurdy on January 29, 2013, 08:03:41 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds like it to me.
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 08:13:08 am
Had my 8 yr old stock clutch replaced last friday, as everyone prob knows now, lol!! Mine was getting v sluggish in 1st, whereas now it just wants to GOOOOO! :-D
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 09:19:49 am
release bearing on the clutch U.S?

Do these cost a lot to replace?

Also dare I ask how much a new clutch would cost?? Lol
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Rachael on January 29, 2013, 09:33:00 am
I have this exact problem. At first I thought it was just me getting used to the car , but 7 months down the line and it's still the same!

Same as the op , prices anyone please?!
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 09:38:15 am
well like with anything, it depends what you're after and where you go!? You're probably looking twice as much roughly for an updated clutch than a standard clutch! Either of you anywhere near Sheffield??
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Rachael on January 29, 2013, 09:40:13 am
Hmm im planning to go stage 1 soonish so I'm  guessing uprated.

Unfortunately not, near Birmingham me :(
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Saintsteve on January 29, 2013, 09:47:14 am
Clutch kit with new bearing kit  and fitting I would hazard a guess of around £750..
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 09:53:13 am
Leicester area here :-/ I usually take my car to Alex at AKS tuning, so might get a price from him.

£750 though.. ouch... on top of the £2000 I had to spend on the car after i bought it as I was ripped off... I've proper been taken for a ride!

However if it's gonna make it a better ride, I will have to spend it because it is a very very frustrating problem. Especially from a car I thought would be amazing to drive. No wonder i've not actually thought that once yet. Can't wait to get this clutch done so that it actually drives as it's supposed to.
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Rachael on January 29, 2013, 09:56:01 am
Steve is that for an uprated one?!

Jeez, think I may have to grin and bear it for now. Carry on kangarooing from lights!
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 10:01:09 am
Note a good Independent would charge half that for a standard clutch!! That £750.00 would be for an uprated clutch, otherwise one is clearly getting ripped off again!!  :fighting:
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Saintsteve on January 29, 2013, 10:06:35 am
Yes if you talking main dealer prices then of course it will be more expensive.VAT is also an arse when you factor that in. As been said above, a recommended back street garage will have the tools to do this and you should be able to knock at least one third of my 1st estimate.Pound notes works in places it's worth asking the question ;-)
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 10:11:50 am
That's why i asked if you were close to Sheffield!? I know that Statlers would charge you LESS than half that, and would be inclusive of VAT, and fully invoiced, no cash in hand job..... :driver:
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Nodz on January 29, 2013, 10:16:29 am
When JKM said my clutch was slipping (not that I've experienced it) I asked VW how much it would cost for a laugh. Came back after taking ages to work out a price and said it was ~£875, the clutch kit they said was ~£250 the rest was labour and VAT
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 10:27:23 am
Wow! Will defo stay away from dealers!

Would a normal garage be able to do the job or is it best to go to a vw specialist like aks tuning?
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 10:31:59 am
a VW specialist for sure!!
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Rachael on January 29, 2013, 10:34:26 am
Can anyone recommend anywhere near brum?!
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Saintsteve on January 29, 2013, 11:13:17 am
When JKM said my clutch was slipping (not that I've experienced it) I asked VW how much it would cost for a laugh. Came back after taking ages to work out a price and said it was ~£875, the clutch kit they said was ~£250 the rest was labour and VAT

didnt think i was far wrong. Got quoted £233 for a front brake hose replacement from vw as an advisory on my MOT yesturday.

Thing is its a £15 part and they wanted a further £218 to drain and replace the entire fluid!!! even though it was changed last year and shouldnt need to be replaced annually.

Thats alot for the garage Tea boy in the garage to sit in my drivers seat and pump the brake pedel a few times. Amazing what a brake hose clamp stops fluid coming out rather than a complete drain.. :stupid:

sorry off topic but shows if you dont know the right people in the motor trade, you can get seriously shafted..
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 11:15:52 am
Had my 8 yr old stock clutch replaced last friday, as everyone prob knows now, lol!! Mine was getting v sluggish in 1st, whereas now it just wants to GOOOOO! :-D

Did you have another stock one fitted or an uprated one?
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 11:39:57 am
I had an uprated Helix Stage 1 fitted by Statlers, was less than that price mentioned above in this thread! Don't get me wrong, the new clutch certainly is stiffer, oh yes, but i'm safe in the knowledge that the clutch wont slip now (he says!!), and it wants to go in every gear now, a lot more than my old standard clutch!! I'm very pleased with it!!!  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 29, 2013, 12:22:51 pm
And how much did that set u back for the stage 1 clutch?
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 29, 2013, 12:26:49 pm
I'm sure they won't mind me saying that it was £700.00 all in, providing of course they don't discover any further problems along the way!!
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Nodz on January 29, 2013, 01:00:25 pm
didnt think i was far wrong. Got quoted £233 for a front brake hose replacement from vw as an advisory on my MOT yesturday.

Thing is its a £15 part and they wanted a further £218 to drain and replace the entire fluid!!! even though it was changed last year and shouldnt need to be replaced annually.

Thats alot for the garage Tea boy in the garage to sit in my drivers seat and pump the brake pedel a few times. Amazing what a brake hose clamp stops fluid coming out rather than a complete drain.. :stupid:

sorry off topic but shows if you dont know the right people in the motor trade, you can get seriously shafted..

Totally agree, that's why I use a specialist now.

As for the brake fluid change,  I believe it's every 2 years
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 30, 2013, 08:01:07 am
How long a job is it? Can it be done in one day or am I going to have to leave it over night to have the clutch and bearings done?

Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Hurdy on January 30, 2013, 08:02:52 am
Same day jobbie, as long as nothing else is found. :happy2:
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: Craigh1983 on January 30, 2013, 08:11:06 am
As long as nothing else is found lol Mine could be in for a good week then ;)
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 30, 2013, 08:30:51 am
Mine was done in a few hrs! :-D
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: dmac1969 on January 30, 2013, 06:59:37 pm
Whats the protocol RE the DMF - arent you supposed to change clutch and DMF at the same time?
Title: Re: Pulling off in 1st gear problem. Normal or Not??
Post by: gigolo456 on January 30, 2013, 07:03:07 pm
Apparently not if yr DMF is ok! Would have been so easy for them to have said it was knackered, so need a new one and an extra few hundred quid!