MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: rich83 on February 04, 2013, 11:27:56 pm
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..... Drove one of these tonight and loved it.... got itchy feet!
FST Montune vs ED30 stage 1....... nothing in it at all, which surprised me.
Canhazplz!! :signLOL:
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ST's sound great with the 5 cylinder 'Quattro-like' engine warble! Must have been very good indeed for you to even consider jumping ship?
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I used to have a standard ST, had a few goes in the Mountune MR290 as well over the years. I remember it was described to me as a stage 2 conversion with TBE IIRC. Looked the nuts and the torque was very impressive.
I was never a fan of the cabin (not the best place to be) or the quality of the cabin interior trims and switches but a great all round car.
The petrol consumption was pretty bad on the ST, worse than my Stage 1 Eddy. For me and the way I drive it was maybe 5mpg less so 21-22mpg on average. Don't know if the Mountune is better or worse.
Decisions Decisions!! :laugh:
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the mileage you do Rich you would filling it up every day
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Double Doggy Dare you
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Loved my ST, but fuel consumption was an issue. But the noise was pant wettingly amazing with a decat stainless system! :love:
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I'd swap mine for my mates full Mountune Clubsport RS in a heartbeat :happy2:
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Loved my ST, but fuel consumption was an issue. But the noise was pant wettingly amazing with a decat stainless system! :love:
Yeah.... ive got a feeling that "It seemed like a great idea at the time" applies here.... :happy2:
Its funny because we both drove each others cars, and he loved mine and I loved his... i guess the grass is greener!
His was the 260 Mountune version... so on paper not as powerful as mine.... however...
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used to have a focus st with stage 2 blue fin with a sport cat and 3 inch down pipe.
i had the resonator removed before i sold it and the sound was epic!
used to be able to scare the local track suit family at the bus stop every morning with a 4k gear change and shot gun like pop!
God i miss it :(
Although i can safely say it wasnt as quick as my stage 1 blue fin ed30
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Driving also made me realise that I miss changing gear.... :chicken:
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Driving also made me realise that I miss changing gear.... :chicken:
Physio for your left leg now rich aswell? :notworthy:
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Also... getting back in mine the accelerator felt really dead, where as on the ST if you jabbed the pedal it shot off..... I must me mad for even thinking about swapping.... :popcornsoda:
Beddie... that RS must be mentally quick! :driver:
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Driving also made me realise that I miss changing gear.... :chicken:
I met a chap a while back who had a DSG R32 and we drove each others cars. He said he liked the manual, too. For me, there was an appeal to the auto, but I felt that if I had one I'd probably just let the car change gear and wouldn't bother with the flappy paddles, thus negating the need for them altogether. Interesting to compare, though...
I know a chap with a Mountune'd ST and it is a rapid beastie. evo compared one with the RS and if anything the ST was slightly quicker.
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Was this the 2.5 ST rich or the New 2.0T ST?
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Petey's RS is ballistic once in 3rd.
A much as I love DSG and its other versions elsewhere, I'm having a bit of an anti-auto move now. Pretty soon we won't be able to buy anything nice with a manual 'box, so I'm making the most of them while I can.
Clio200 gone
Polo/Fabia/Ibiza gone
GT3 gone
Most M cars gone.
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Also... getting back in mine the accelerator felt really dead, where as on the ST if you jabbed the pedal it shot off..... I must me mad for even thinking about swapping.... :popcornsoda:
Beddie... that RS must be mentally quick! :driver:
Yeah it's quite a car tbh Rich.. It's the full fat Mountune spec so Eibach/Bilstein and Mountune branded Alcon 6 pots with the full engine spec albeit with a 3rd party 420 map, seriously nice car apart from the thirst :laugh:
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Was this the 2.5 ST rich or the New 2.0T ST?
2.5 Volvo 5pot. I thought the 2.0t vag engine was good but this is better.... Way better.
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Was this the 2.5 ST rich or the New 2.0T ST?
2.5 Volvo 5pot. I thought the 2.0t vag engine was good but this is better.... Way better.
providing the liner dont go in the engine!
there was a lot of talk about them in the first few years especially some around the 300 bhp mark
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I had a 320bhp 2007 focus st, one of the reasons I sold was in fear of the liners cracking. But she never missed a beat.
Very fast car and I do miss certain aspects of it but my dsg gti is a better car, less asbo but is a better car.
Tbh I didn't like the turbo in my ST, felt like it ran out of puff very quickly over 4-4.5k rpm whereas I feel my gti holds stronger over the rev range
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I used to have an ST with a Pumabuild remap - basically a mountune map with a bit more mid range boost :evilgrin:
You lose some of the 5pot warble when you remap them though :sad1:
They are great cars, great seats, handle well, the sound is amazing - pops and bangs through standard exhaust :drool:
Mine was about 6mpg worse than my GTI - if that bothers you??
The ST3 is the one to go for with leather seats, heated front screen (AMAZING feature) and 6CD changer
The downside though is the weak engines which have been known to crack the cylinder liners on tuned (and even some stock) engines. Jamsport have released a block strengthening kit for about £1k which solves this.
Alternators, driveshafts & Oil breather diagphrams have been known to fail :sad1:
You will need an uprated clutch with a remap, mine slipped straight after the map. The Focus RS one will fit the bill £700
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Yeah I had to have an RS clutch fitted to mine. The clutch slip was crazy, that cost me £800. Had my oil filter housing diaphragm go as well, was an easy job to change it but it is a known fault.
Oh and I was averaging 23-24mpg and in my GTI I'm averaging about 30mpg overall
As pointed out yes the heated windscreen is such a good feature don't know why more cars don't have this.
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Looks like a few of us have moved on from the Focus ST!
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Yeah I had to have an RS clutch fitted to mine. The clutch slip was crazy, that cost me £800. Had my oil filter housing diaphragm go as well, was an easy job to change it but it is a known fault.
Oh and I was averaging 23-24mpg and in my GTI I'm averaging about 30mpg overall
As pointed out yes the heated windscreen is such a good feature don't know why more cars don't have this.
In the winter that heated front screen is the feature I miss the most about my Focus, just so easy to remove ice / demist.
IIRC, Ford had the patent on it for a number of years, but I think that ran out and other manufacturers use it now. My mates 2004 Land Rover has one, but I think Ford owned Land Rover at the time.
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They stupidly never licensed it to others, they'd have made a fortune. Did you find once you'd noticed the elements, it was really hard not to look at them? :grin:
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I hated it on an Escort I once owned and it was doubled by the fact that it only worked on the passenger side!
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They stupidly never licensed it to others, they'd have made a fortune. Did you find once you'd noticed the elements, it was really hard not to look at them? :grin:
Yes... i found that when my dad had a Ford mundane-o :happy2:
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..... Drove one of these tonight and loved it.... got itchy feet!
FST Montune vs ED30 stage 1....... nothing in it at all, which surprised me.
Canhazplz!! :signLOL:
Careful Rich..............................you'll be chilling over by Mackie D's at Leisure World every week night before you know it! :signLOL:
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I love my Dubs. Even with my current car i think that i could have gotten a really nice Edition 30 instead. However, the way it drives has made me realise that i probably wont get another Dub unless VW go balls out and release something very special but at a price that competes in the market place.
In fact, of anything the fuel consumption is the worst thing about my new car - but it was the main reason i purchased it. I expected to be getting more than 40mpg average across a tank.
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Is that what you are getting from the 123d Luke? If thats the case, im glad i didnt buy one last year.
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Yep. Currently at 40.9mpg average. I expect this will increase when my commute will just consist of motorways, but dont expect it to by much. When i look at the instant mpg readouts its anything from 55mpg down a slight hill to 36mpg on a slight incline. On Cruise at 70mph.
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Not brilliant is it....
Having said that... mines reading 26MPG over 1700miles, so 40 is way better :signLOL:
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Diesels are sh*t when cold, which won't help either. It'll get better.
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Nah, still only gets around that if i reset it just before a 20mile motorway journey Mike. :signLOL:
Why did i get the 123d again? Oh well, at least its powerful. I guess you cant have everything. Slightly frustrating is that i used to get 46-48mpg on my Scirocco GT TSI on a motorway commute and up to 55mpg in my Polo GTI.
Ive seen most people get an average of around 45mpg on longer commutes.
The OBC can be very far out though so ive read, so im going to see what it is in real terms once i know how much i get out of a full tank.
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Not brilliant is it....
Having said that... mines reading 26MPG over 1700miles, so 40 is way better :signLOL:
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Yes, 40mpg is pretty good considering. But thats moddy cuddling it. I reckon i could get into the 20s on the commute if i tried.
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My cousin (Apparoon) on here had a 123d coupe for a couple of years and iirc his average mpg was in the low 40s..
I've tried quite a few 'sporty' diesels of late in the hunt for our new car and come away pretty underwhelmed by the economy offered tbh,
I think the problem lies with the quest to narrow the gap between 'performance' diesels and their petrol equivalents, turning up the wick to provide petrol like power and driveability coupled with the achilles heel of modern diesels the dpf means that the usual reason for choosing a diesel for economy is no longer clear cut given the compromises of noise, slow warm up etc that you have to put up with..?
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Apparently you can get an easy 35 mpg out of an M135i with some owners reporting around 40 on gentle drives.
Hang on, wasn't this thread about a Focus? :rolleye:
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Apparently you can get an easy 35 mpg out of an M135i with some owners reporting around 40 on gentle drives.
Hang on, wasn't this thread about a Focus? :rolleye:
Sorry for going off topic Simon. I'll make sure we check with you first next time? :happy2:
Fuel consumption for the Focus was mentioned, so i also thought id say that i would be reluctant to get another VW as there are more exciting cars out there.
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Seems to be the Petrol's are closer to their Official Combined Cycle Figures in real driving.
My GTI is generally around 30 MPG which is 85% of Official figure of 35.3 MPG.
So back on topic... :signLOL:
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Didn't Evo do a head to head of the Mountune ST v the MK2 RS a short while back and they were pretty much neck and neck for time over distance and on track Rich?
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isnt the RS 300bhp?
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isnt the RS 300bhp?
Yeah RS is 300 and iirc the furthest Mountune can/will take an ST is 290 :happy2:
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Thats the thing... the ST i drove was the 260 mountune version. Yet barely a sausage in it and my "311" bhp. :surprised:
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isnt the RS 300bhp?
Yeah RS is 300 and iirc the furthest Mountune can/will take an ST is 290 :happy2:
I've got the episode on my shelf somewhere amongst' the stack, but I remember it being absolutely parr with the 300hp RS. It might even have been the 260hp Mountune they had but that might be speculation. Either way, there was nothing in it between the two over long stretches either...
I'll see if I can dig it out.
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Brief, but;
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/237880/ford_focus_st_mountune_and_focus_rs.html
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Thats the thing... the ST i drove was the 260 mountune version. Yet barely a sausage in it and my "311" bhp. :surprised:
Think I've read previously the Mountune packages do have more oomph than they suggest on paper. Not wanting to step on the RS's toes for instance was the reason I think!
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Thats the thing... the ST i drove was the 260 mountune version. Yet barely a sausage in it and my "311" bhp. :surprised:
Think I've read previously the Mountune packages do have more oomph than they suggest on paper. Not wanting to step on the RS's toes for instance was the reason I think!
It was the 260 VS the RS that Evo tested. The RS was only quicker from something like 100-130mph in 5th :grin:
The early RS's didn't make 300bhp due to problems with intake pipes getting crushed under acceleration. The Mountune kits make 260bhp all long. . . Some have made 280-300bhp :surprised:
@Richwig - it's the torque and the power curve that makes it quicker. Bare in mind it's also a K04 but with an extra cylinder and 500cc it will spool that turbo quicker and give much more mid-range :happy2:
Nick @ R-Tech has started mapping them - with typical great results :grin:
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Thats the thing... the ST i drove was the 260 mountune version. Yet barely a sausage in it and my "311" bhp. :surprised:
Think I've read previously the Mountune packages do have more oomph than they suggest on paper. Not wanting to step on the RS's toes for instance was the reason I think!
It was the 260 VS the RS that Evo tested. The RS was only quicker from something like 100-130mph in 5th :grin:
The early RS's didn't make 300bhp due to problems with intake pipes getting crushed under acceleration. The Mountune kits make 260bhp all long. . . Some have made 280-300bhp :surprised:
@Richwig - it's the torque and the power curve that makes it quicker. Bare in mind it's also a K04 but with an extra cylinder and 500cc it will spool that turbo quicker and give much more mid-range :happy2:
Nick @ R-Tech has started mapping them - with typical great results :grin:
Thought the ST turbo was a KKK it's quite a small turbo iirc
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^^ KKK is the brand IIRC :happy2:
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^^ KKK is the brand IIRC :happy2:
Yeah I just had a look, it's a KKK KO4
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Yea in the test the st was quicker but as said early RSes only made 280 ish bhp until the map update was released my 2012 RS made 307 bhp standard with only 2k on the clock so I was happy with that.
The RS and ST are brilliant cars but the RS drives and grips a lot better than the ST, it really is epic
Best car I've every driven....
The ST chews through more fuel than the rs for some reason but even the rs is pretty greedy I averaged 24 mpg in mine over 7-8k and I spent 2k of that running the car in below 3k revs
Even the standard st is about 3 seconds quicker round the ring than an edition 30
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hi fellas we have a FRS with mountune mp350+ and i really do like the car, the sounds and torque are awesome once moving imo
mpg wise on a short regular run i do my Gti was 25-26mpg were as on the same run the RS is 21-22mpg.
quick run down of;
Plus points in my view
Sounds, pops and bangs etc :evilgrin:
looks, if your into the rally type look
equipment level
power deivery with the diff and large wheels combined
attention (from enthusiasts)
Minus points;
attention (from chavs etc)
build quality in certain areas
harsh ride on rough roads
poor oe sound from speakers
Any Q`s guys just ask :happy2:
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A table of figures here...
http://themotor.myfastforum.org/about11334.html
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nice cars the RS i have had two , a lux 2 Mountune and a revo tunned one . Running costs are silly 21mpg but great cars and i loved every moment with them , oh and sold both with out any loss and both sold in under a week :happy2:
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Do you like your r better than the RS you had ?
Yea that's problems I had with mine.
Quality issues with seam sealer
MPG
Ride
Loved the rest !!