MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: swgti on February 10, 2013, 08:05:28 am
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I've read in various places now that there were a number of things that came as standard on the early Gti that VW removed as ways of cost cutting? Blue tinted glass and the reduction of speakers in the stereo sytsem are what I've heard of so far.
Does anyone know of any more and also what years did this kick in if true?
I'm possibly looking to replace my 3dr with a 5dr later in the year and age of car isn't really that important so I'd rather look for an older car if it is better equipped.
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I have a 05. Which has all those things you said above, plus electric mirrors, puddle lights and sunroof which may be optional extras. Not sure
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^^they was extras.
Vw changed as you say the glass from blue to green, less speakers, aerial moved from the rear window to the roof, foglights went from projectors with h11 lamps to reflectors with hb4 lamps, very early cars had open fog grills, the rear boot badge/handle changed to a 2 piece 3d badge (also the shape around this on the boot slightly changed), AXX engine changed to BWA, revised cam.
Other bits I'm not 100% sure if they was options or if they changed is the leather on later cars was black and not anthracite, the RNS was available on really late cars iirc. I think leather became standard on late cars like it did on the mk6
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^^they was extras.
Vw changed as you say the glass from blue to green, less speakers, aerial moved from the rear window to the roof, foglights went from projectors with h11 lamps to reflectors with hb4 lamps, very early cars had open fog grills, the rear boot badge/handle changed to a 2 piece 3d badge (also the shape around this on the boot slightly changed), AXX engine changed to BWA, revised cam.
Other bits I'm not 100% sure if they was options or if they changed is the leather on later cars was black and not anthracite, the RNS was available on really late cars iirc. I think leather became standard on late cars like it did on the mk6
So some changes you could say were a step back others an improvement............
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Unfortunately the changes were viewed as a cost cutting exercise by VW especially with the roof aerial and less speakers. Personally I prefer the blue glass but it works better as I have a blue car.
Tbh most of what I mentioned wont be noticeable especially if you find a well spe'd car. The only thing that would be is the roof aerial
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
Yea originals had 10 speakers.
The last 12 months or so of gti's had leather only, I remember the annoyance of people who wanted cloth and couldn't have it.
Also, the later cars they dropped the rubber seals from around the rear windows. I don't know if this resulted in more cabin noise but it certainly looks strange having a gap where you know there should be a seal.
Also the aluminium ashtray cover was replaced with a black plastic version
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My roof aerial is in the roof but I have blue tints ? My car is a 06 reg .
Was the change over done all in one go or did vw change it bit by bit ?
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In addition to the standard specification changes described already, Volkswagen usually modify their production line specs every June. As a result for example, I ordered my car in May 2005, she was built during the week beginning 11th July 2005 but to the 2006 specs. So she's an 05-plate, 06-build. [I make no apologies for loving my GTI so much that I remember her birthday]
Mid-year spec revisions are usually relatively minor and address known issues and introduce manufacturing economies. The Recaro seats option was dropped in July 2007 for example.
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Auto-dimming passenger side mirror disappeared on MY06 cars.
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
Yea originals had 10 speakers.
The last 12 months or so of gti's had leather only, I remember the annoyance of people who wanted cloth and couldn't have it.
Also, the later cars they dropped the rubber seals from around the rear windows. I don't know if this resulted in more cabin noise but it certainly looks strange having a gap where you know there should be a seal.
Also the aluminium ashtray cover was replaced with a black plastic version
Seems to be common for all manufacturers to make changes, especially at facelift time, to the features that the car comes with as standard.
My last car only had 4 speakers, so i'm liking having double the speakers lol.
My car has half leather, which i actually prefer the look of compared to full leather :)
As for the seals, perhaps they did cut down on wind noise, however, i don't find mine any worse for wind noise than my 120d - infact i'd say it's better tbh. Not many cars have seals round the rear quarter windows, so look ok to me tbh.
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one thing i have noticed regarding the ash tray lid from aluminuim to black plastic is that the DSG surround is aluminium on mine (05) and my brothers car (05 but next build date up to mine) is aluminium LOOK together with his glove box handle
The door handles, glove box lid and hand brake button are all chrome on mine but i much prefer the brushed aluminium ones on his car (i hate chrome) thats something im going to change later :grin: they match the dash aluminium trim better too!
pity they didnt do the aluminium glove box handle tho same as the trim....
I too think blue tint glass looks better than green. my car especially being blue!
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Hope this helps :smiley:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/255767.aspx
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I that that early MK5s also had 3 courtesy lights in the front and rear, as opposed to 2 lights each in later cars.
My 55plate Mk5 has 3 lights in the front and rear, but I think it has green tinted windows so perhaps there are some crossovers in spec.
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Mines 05 and has blue tints, 10 speakers, Ali ash tray, 3 lights front and back and no roof aerial (which I think is pretty cool!)
I noticed in mine that the old golf I had (56), had the option to turn heated mirrors off whereas mine now (05) I can only have it on or mirror select. The door lock/unlock button is different too!!
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^^they was extras.
Vw changed as you say the glass from blue to green, less speakers, aerial moved from the rear window to the roof, foglights went from projectors with h11 lamps to reflectors with hb4 lamps, very early cars had open fog grills, the rear boot badge/handle changed to a 2 piece 3d badge (also the shape around this on the boot slightly changed), AXX engine changed to BWA, revised cam.
Other bits I'm not 100% sure if they was options or if they changed is the leather on later cars was black and not anthracite, the RNS was available on really late cars iirc. I think leather became standard on late cars like it did on the mk6
This is not all strictly the case. My original '05 GTI has a roof mounted aerial, has reflector foglights and doesn't have open fog grills. Doesn't have the aluminium ashtray that's been mentioned either. None of this stuff was even offered as options to me either.
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This is not all strictly the case. My original '05 GTI has a roof mounted aerial, has reflector foglights and doesn't have open fog grills. Doesn't have the aluminium ashtray that's been mentioned either. None of this stuff was even offered as options to me either.
When's your build date tho? My brothers sounds like the same as yours (April 05) I think and mines the slightly earlier build which has the stuff yours doesn't and no roof aerial (but came with closed fog grilles)
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Don't forget, guys, that when posting that yours is a "05" car its build date, and therefore specifications, are not necessarily the same as the "05" (or otherwise) on the UK registration plate.
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^^they was extras.
Vw changed as you say the glass from blue to green, less speakers, aerial moved from the rear window to the roof, foglights went from projectors with h11 lamps to reflectors with hb4 lamps, very early cars had open fog grills, the rear boot badge/handle changed to a 2 piece 3d badge (also the shape around this on the boot slightly changed), AXX engine changed to BWA, revised cam.
Other bits I'm not 100% sure if they was options or if they changed is the leather on later cars was black and not anthracite, the RNS was available on really late cars iirc. I think leather became standard on late cars like it did on the mk6
This is not all strictly the case. My original '05 GTI has a roof mounted aerial, has reflector foglights and doesn't have open fog grills. Doesn't have the aluminium ashtray that's been mentioned either. None of this stuff was even offered as options to me either.
My 05 is the same!
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This is not all strictly the case. My original '05 GTI has a roof mounted aerial, has reflector foglights and doesn't have open fog grills. Doesn't have the aluminium ashtray that's been mentioned either. None of this stuff was even offered as options to me either.
When's your build date tho? My brothers sounds like the same as yours (April 05) I think and mines the slightly earlier build which has the stuff yours doesn't and no roof aerial (but came with closed fog grilles)
From memory I'd have to say build date was probably around April '05 as well. If that's the case, they changed their specs super quick because the GTI had only been out a few months by that point. Real penny pinchers!
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From memory I'd have to say build date was probably around April '05 as well. If that's the case, they changed their specs super quick because the GTI had only been out a few months by that point. Real penny pinchers!
....April 05 would mean an 05-build spec and wouldn't change until ~June 2005.
Folks advise never to buy the very first builds of a car because there will invariably be issues to be remedied which aren't discovered until the car is out there getting driven by customers in the real world. It's the same with non-automotive computer software.
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I that that early MK5s also had 3 courtesy lights in the front and rear, as opposed to 2 lights each in later cars.
My 55plate Mk5 has 3 lights in the front and rear, but I think it has green tinted windows so perhaps there are some crossovers in spec.
My 08 ED30 has 3 rear courtesy lights. Beginning to sounds like it;s just luck of what's in the VAG parts bin lol.
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My roof aerial is in the roof but I have blue tints ? My car is a 06 reg .
Was the change over done all in one go or did vw change it bit by bit ?
When I went to Inters a couple of years ago the 4 cars I was parked with had various different bits on. I can't remember exactly but it was stuff like one had aerial but projector fogs, blue tints with a roof aerial. iirc the cars with the bit of old and new were between 06 and 07 plates iirc
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My 06 has blue glass.
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The noticeable differences for me on them are the roof aerial (looks much better without one) and the green/blue glass. I much preferred the green glass, a lovely colour on any coloured car IMHO.
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My 05 had Blue Glass , 10 Speakers but no alu ashtray cover , it also had a roof aerial. I think from memory it was regd in July 05. My 08 has the green glass and 8 speakers but everything else is the same - apart from maybe the courtesy lights inside , I have to say I didnt know they had changed so Im unsure if mine would be different between the 2 cars.
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My memory is not as good as I thought. I ordered the car in march '05 and took delivery in July. Where can you find the build date though? Can't see this anywhere in my paperwork.
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My memory is not as good as I thought. I ordered the car in march '05 and took delivery in July. Where can you find the build date though? Can't see this anywhere in my paperwork.
....I only know by build week date because I communicated with Wolfsburg via my VW dealer at the time.
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
I might be wrong, but wasn't one of the spec upgrades as part of the Ed30 spec to have 10 speakers?
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
I might be wrong, but wasn't one of the spec upgrades as part of the Ed30 spec to have 10 speakers?
I'll need to re-count first thing in the morning - this is bugging me ha ha.
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
I might be wrong, but wasn't one of the spec upgrades as part of the Ed30 spec to have 10 speakers?
No , thats not part of the Ed30 spec , the early cars had 10 speakers , I am pretty sure that by the time the Ed30s came out they had cut 2 speakers.
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Where were the two speakers cut from?
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Where were the two speakers cut from?
Mid range on door speakers. If you look at the door there are three holes. The ones in the middle where cut!
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I've got an 08 ED30. I've got 8 speakers, did the early GTIs have more than this?
I don't think the late models have leather as standard tbh.
I might be wrong, but wasn't one of the spec upgrades as part of the Ed30 spec to have 10 speakers?
No , thats not part of the Ed30 spec , the early cars had 10 speakers , I am pretty sure that by the time the Ed30s came out they had cut 2 speakers.
Counted the speakers on my ED30 today and there are infact 10 speakers.
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I'll have a look at mine tommorow.
Still sounds great for a standard setup.
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I'll have a look at mine tommorow.
Still sounds great for a standard setup.
Its a lot of speakers for a small car, but it doesn't sound all that great tbh.
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I'll have a look at mine tommorow.
Still sounds great for a standard setup.
Remember the hole will still be there just may not be anything behind it :happy2: