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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: rich83 on February 14, 2013, 01:05:50 pm
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.... shot his gorgeous girlfriend.
WTF!!!!
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apparently he thought there was an intuder!!
not uncommon in SA to shoot people in the home
:stupid:
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been charged now aswell,
two shots, one to her head and one to her arm
police have relased a statement sayin 'he doesnt really have a leg to stand on'
sorry couldnt resist
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They've also released a statement confirming reports of a domestic disturbance between him and his girlfriend earlier in the evening. He's been charged with murder.
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How mental
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It's a shocking story. I seem to recall a former SA rugby player shooting his daughter dead after mistaking her for a car thief in the early hours a few years ago. SA sounds like a dreadfully dangerous place yet stunningly beautiful or so I've heard. Has anyone been?
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It's a shocking story. I seem to recall a former SA rugby player shooting his daughter dead after mistaking her for a car thief in the early hours a few years ago.
It was reported this morning that he'd shot her mistaking her for an intruder but the police have since said they are "very surprised" by those rumours and that they didn't come from them. They are also reported to have said there have been domestic incidents at the house in the recent past, and that there were reports of an incident earlier in the evening when the shooting took place. It does, unfortunately, seem like he has murdered her in cold blood.
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South Africa, like most of Africa, is not a place for the faint hearted. Thing is, it's something one learns to live with unfortunately. If it wasn't for my wife wanting to stay in the UK due to safety fears, I would have moved back many years ago.
Even with all the crime, it's still one of the best places to live. The lifestyle, the food, the people (in general) and the beauty and variety of the country itself are an intoxicating mix. I miss it dearly, daily.
It's like anywhere in the world really, there are places you wouldn't go and places you do go, things you do and things you don't do. Having said that, you always have to be on alert and aware of things around you. In Africa, local knowledge is power, but then again, when your numbers up, it's up no matter what.
I hope this was an unfortunate accident for Oscar's sake, only time will tell. I think far too many people have passed judgement without knowing the full story.
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Roses are red, violets are glorious, don't try and surprise Oscar Pistorius! :laugh:
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After his exploits last summer I think it's a bit of a shame if it's proven that it was more than an accident. :sad1:
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South Africa, like most of Africa, is not a place for the faint hearted. Thing is, it's something one learns to live with unfortunately. If it wasn't for my wife wanting to stay in the UK due to safety fears, I would have moved back many years ago.
Even with all the crime, it's still one of the best places to live. The lifestyle, the food, the people (in general) and the beauty and variety of the country itself are an intoxicating mix. I miss it dearly, daily.
It's like anywhere in the world really, there are places you wouldn't go and places you do go, things you do and things you don't do. Having said that, you always have to be on alert and aware of things around you. In Africa, local knowledge is power, but then again, when your numbers up, it's up no matter what.
I hope this was an unfortunate accident for Oscar's sake, only time will tell. I think far too many people have passed judgement without knowing the full story.
Where you from mate?? Born and bred in Cape Town me :happy2: been in the UK since 96, and as you say, SA is only as dangerous as what you know/don't know, otherwise an extremely beautiful place to visit.
Although if anybody is planning a visit I'd only recommend Cape Town - not being biased, but it is way ahead the safest place in the country.
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I'm a Durban boy. Beach boy surfer all the way........... When I was much younger of course.
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Never heard of him :signLOL:
But reading the posts it seems he was a rugby player (which explains why I not heard of him)
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Never heard of him :signLOL:
But reading the posts it seems he was a rugby player (which explains why I not heard of him)
He's an double amputee sprinter, was in the Olympics and Paralympics too and has set various records. Not sure about the rugby side of things though, I've never heard anything about him playing rugby
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It's the blade runner guy. The rugby reference is about someone else
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Rugby? lol
Apparently there are 50 murders every day in SA, Shocking ehhh? I'd like to compare these figures to that in columbia or somewhere tbh...
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Rugby or Olympics I still not heard of him :signLOL:
Oh well, no doubt he shall be spending a long time in jail, rather than just kicking her out and ending the relationship........
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The good thing is they won't need to put him in a cell, a few cattle grids round his bed should suffice !
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From reports it said there was a single gun shot then 10 minutes later 3 more were heard so doesn't look good for the 'caught by surprise' claim :fighting:
Must of had the munchies and made a sandwich before going back to finish her off :fighting: :fighting: :fighting:
Dave
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It's easy for us to sit here and make judgements and not enough is known for certain yet. But, apparently he is well known for having a very bad temper. Perhaps it was a crime of passion - We simply don't know yet. The girlfriend was certainly good looking.
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So if he didnt shoot/murder her... who did?
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It's easy for us to sit here and make judgements and not enough is known for certain yet. But, apparently he is well known for having a very bad temper. Perhaps it was a crime of passion - We simply don't know yet. The girlfriend was certainly good looking.
I would say so Robin and I am surprised that I am the first to post a picture.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fag38%2Fstanipkiss%2FSNN1501A--_1673637a_zps53194efe.jpg&hash=07c733f6f3ad243bbead676b2ae3d751dc283a42)
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So if he didnt shoot/murder her... who did?
....I have no idea! But just because no-one else is a suspect at this moment in time, doesn't mean or prove that he, Oscar Pistorious, committed the crime. I'm not claiming he is innocent - I am merely trying to bring some fair balance to this discussion.
It's a jolly good job that there are courts, otherwise the trees would be decorated with dead bodies hung all over them by the angry mob.
A court will decide according to the known information presented before it for judgement.
Until then we can speculate and enjoy solving the crime as if it was a TV series, but it is not for us to make the final judgement.
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Perhaps it was a crime of passion - We simply don't know yet. The girlfriend was certainly good looking.
I would say so Robin and I am surprised that I am the first to post a picture.
....And a very fine picture you have posted indeed, kind sir! :notworthy:
I have been busy all day and anyway I sometimes get the vibe that folks get bored of my posting pics of hot babes so often.
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New evidence has been found outside the Pistorious home that completely acquits him of his girlfriend's murder.
Footprints.
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This is the Internet. No place for fact and due process here. Unfounded accusations and vicious rumour rule in this domain :-)
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Its a sad story, but he's not the first guy to get legless on valentines and shoot off in his girlfriends face whilst thinking it was someone else..
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What I fail to understand in all this, is that he is claiming it wasn't premeditated murder, and that he thought he was shooting an intruder. What is the difference between shooting dead your girlfriend through a bathroom door, and shooting dead a burglar through a bathroom door? In each case you shoot dead someone who wasn't threatening you, so you can't claim it was in self-defence.
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I'd feel pretty threatened if a bloke had just climbed through my window haha. Especially in a place with a high number of gun crimes.
I thought he was always a bit dodgey after he went off it at the paralympics when that brazilian guy beat him.
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I thought he was always a bit dodgey after he went off it at the paralympics when that brazilian guy beat him.
You know that was the first thing I thought of when I heard of all this. It really surprised me at the time.
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What I fail to understand in all this, is that he is claiming it wasn't premeditated murder, and that he thought he was shooting an intruder. What is the difference between shooting dead your girlfriend through a bathroom door, and shooting dead a burglar through a bathroom door? In each case you shoot dead someone who wasn't threatening you, so you can't claim it was in self-defence.
Trust me Andrew, in Africa you don't wait to find out........... It will be the difference between you being dead or the other person. It's a fact of life over there. I have had close friends in South Africa shot and some killed in front of their wife and kids. I would have done exactly the same as him, especially considering his disability.
Those who have not lived under the constant threat of your life being taken from you on a daily basis should not be making any calls on this case. Let's not damn a person until we know the full story. I for one am keeping an open mind.
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Yeah, that's fair enough. Is it still against the law though?
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Killing anyone is against the law period, but it's so much more complex than that. Who gives a damn about the law if you're dead? They never catch the barstewardss who rape and murder and turn the average persons life into a living nightmare, it's only the honest people who try and do the right thing who get crucified.
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I'm not really after a conversation about morals and what is wrong or right, more what is technically the law over there.
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South Africa is the place where it is legal to fit flamethrowers to your car in case of car jackers. A place that considers the rights of the offender it is not.
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If somebody breaks into your house, you are entitled to kill that person under certain circumstances. If the burglar runs away and you kill that person anyway, you could be exceeding the bounds of self-defence. If, however, you are faced with a situation where you fear for your life or safety, you would be entitled to kill the intruder.
South African courts understand that these scenarios happen very quickly, usually at night. A householder cannot sit down and decide objectively exactly what should be done. You could reasonably expect any intruder to be armed and capable of doing you harm. The courts tend to accept a broad definition of self-defence.
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If i thought that there was someone in my house at nighttime.... and realised that Laura wasn't in bed... wouldn't it be the logical thing to presume that the noise i can hear is her>? Instead of clubbing the 'intruder' around the head.
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Your average burglar doesnt lock themselves in the bathroom. Unless they are obsessive self harming burglars.
Maybe he thought it was the wank bandit, secretly breaks in and has a right hand shuffle in your shower.
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I thought he thought his wife was away and was not due back for days hence when he heard someone in the house he shot first and then realised it was his wife being back early
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realised that Laura wasn't in bed...
Depends if Laura is your partner or your pet dog/cat/goat :grin:
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I thought he thought his wife was away and was not due back for days hence when he heard someone in the house he shot first and then realised it was his wife being back early
That was the initial report. His testimony today confirmed that he thought she was in bed alongside him.
If i thought that there was someone in my house at nighttime.... and realised that Laura wasn't in bed... wouldn't it be the logical thing to presume that the noise i can hear is her>? Instead of clubbing the 'intruder' around the head.
It is 100% the logical thing to think!
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If i thought that there was someone in my house at nighttime.... and realised that Laura wasn't in bed... wouldn't it be the logical thing to presume that the noise i can hear is her>? Instead of clubbing the 'intruder' around the head.
My argument in a nutshell (as pertains to this case), my first and only thought would be for my wife (and kids if they were about) and to blindly go shooting at "someone" in the bathroom as your very FIRST course of action is a weak excuse IMHO.
I listened to his testimony being read out and it just doesn't sit well with me, all far to flimsy. It's his word and that's it, sounded like a "story" concocted after the event to describe the event.
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Your average burglar doesnt lock themselves in the bathroom. Unless they are obsessive self harming burglars.
Maybe he thought it was the wank bandit, secretly breaks in and has a right hand shuffle in your shower.
No, but force of habit makes you lock the door anyway.