MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: plush-automotive on July 16, 2009, 02:05:48 pm
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Right now i've done the intercooler and induction, i pick up my blueflame down pipe off of matt on sunday i need to get myself an uprated fuel pump before i got for some stage 2+ loving at revo.
Not being mega clued up on performance like alot of you guys are on here. has anyone got any links advice pics blah blah blah on which pump to get. :happy2:
Thanks in advance
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theres a couple of options;
Autotech and KMD do a kit which uprates the internals of your std pump, think these are just over 300quid fitted, your pump needs stripping and the parts fitting
APR do a complete replacement uprated pump for just over 700quid, or they do an exchange 1 where you give them your pump and you get an uprated 1 for 580quid I think
I'm looking into this myself at the minute for the S3, had the APR one on my ED30 and it made a big difference to the midrange :happy2:
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http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221876
http://www.backdraftmotorsport.com/shop-vag/bdm-2.0tfsi-uprated-fuel-pump-kit/flypage.tpl.html
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Whatever you do, ignore any internet fighting/propeganda/bitching you may find when researching the products and make your own mind up.
Personally I'd go for a kit and a new follower.
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If you go for the kit and follower, you must ensure that when you fit them you use gloves and a clean environment as the tolerences are VERY tight on the pump parts. :happy2:
Both types of pump (APR and KMD/Autotech) can supply more than enough fuel for Stage 2+, so performance benefits of one over the other are negligible.
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Has anyone had a pump and FP map fitted to a Golf without the exhaust changed?
It seems the stock system is relatively good on flow. I would like to see some results on the fuel pump map together with the stock exhaust. The simple re map on APR stage 1 gives a healthy return but they now do a free upgrade for their APR stage 1 FP map.
The exhaust system seems a hefty investment but it's not totally off the cards.
Anyone especially with Ed 30 got this combo?
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Both types of pump (APR and KMD/Autotech) can supply more than enough fuel for Stage 2+, so performance benefits of one over the other are negligible.
Agreed - you pays your money and take you choice. Some interesting articles out there on the differences between the internals.
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and just so u know k03 cars have the probs with the cam followers not ko4 as the cams are not the same so the ed30 should not suffer from the problem
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I suspect if you try using the pump file on a car without a DP you'll soon burn out the stock cat.
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I suspect if you try using the pump file on a car without a DP you'll soon burn out the stock cat.
I would doubt that very much...they're not that much richer than a stage 1 map. If they ran that much fuel they'd be horrendous on fuel consumption. Callibration should be as good as the stage 1 if not better. :happy2:
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Have a read of this its interesting...
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=72956
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well i went balls out and the missus banged the apr pump on the credit card lmao damm shes good to me :grin: :grin:
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Good man! Welcome to the club :happy2:
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well i went balls out and the missus banged the apr pump on the credit card lmao damm shes good to me :grin: :grin:
So you just cought the summersale and the 10% off ?
I have my spare pump shipped rebuilt from the states as i write :o))
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well i went balls out and the missus banged the apr pump on the credit card lmao damm shes good to me :grin: :grin:
So you just cought the summersale and the 10% off ?
I have my spare pump shipped rebuilt from the states as i write :o))
I'm not sure lol £717 doesnt seem like much of a sale :sad1: but if it helps my car go quick i'm in ha ha.
I think thats practically all the parts now as soon as this arrives i'll get myself booked in to revo for a stage 2 +
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well i went balls out and the missus banged the apr pump on the credit card lmao damm shes good to me :grin: :grin:
So you just cought the summersale and the 10% off ?
I have my spare pump shipped rebuilt from the states as i write :o))
I'm not sure lol £717 doesnt seem like much of a sale :sad1: but if it helps my car go quick i'm in ha ha.
I think thats practically all the parts now as soon as this arrives i'll get myself booked in to revo for a stage 2 +
I shipped it to the states for rebuild, and because i had a spare pump i paid the equvalent of 371£ for the rebuild minus shipping :jumping:
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Nice one luke balls deep as usual. :grin:
Has anyone had a pump and FP map fitted to a Golf without the exhaust changed?
I am sure you know this but i cant see much of point of going 2+ and pump without the exhaust to free it all up. It would be like driving round with hay fever or a heavy cold. Everything will be bunged up. I know your main factor is cost but you should not underestimate the difference the zorst makes. :happy2:
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I know where your comin from TC, but did you read this
Have a read of this its interesting...
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=72956
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Thats a great thread, i love those type of threads. :smiley:
I can only give my view on the benefits as i fitted the zorst first, there was a definite increase in mid range grunt and a loss of torque at the bottom end. which suited me fine as it made it easier to get off the line.
When i went stage 2 revo which is designed for the added zorst it brought the whole thing together and it felt a great deal better all round less wheel spin and a wider power band. I am sure he is right that if you only boot it occasionally then doing it without the zorst is a viable option, but i think he needs to go in one with the full compliment as i think it will start him saving up straight away. :happy2:
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I know where your comin from TC, but did you read this
Have a read of this its interesting...
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=72956
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I read this post and tend to agree that the exhaust especially on the Ed 30 works pretty well especially if you gauge the huge step you get just on a re-map on stage 1.
The HPFP will certainly help in the mid range from what I have seen and the icing on the cake will be the exhaust.
I'm going down the same road this Thursday at Awesome. I 've got APR Stage 1 with absolutely nothing else done. I've even got a stock filter in the air box but I will be interested to see the result on the dyno as I will be going to their stage 1 high flow fuel pump map. They have tailored a map around the APR fuel pump which come's free. :happy2:
I'd rather save the money on paying for the exhaust and put it towards brakes. I reckon from my recent track work that the gains I'd see on the dyno for just the exhaust going onto stage 2 would be marginal on lap times.
Hopefully I will get most of this posted on here for comparison for people who don't necessary want to change their exhausts at this stage of tuning.
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I agree the exhaust wil bring added improvement, in fact I put the HPFP on my ED30 before the TBE and its was great, then when I put the TBE on it just brought everything together and it was spot-on :happy2:
This was all APR stuff from Awesome as well by the way MSPORTMAN :smiley:
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I agree the exhaust wil bring added improvement, in fact I put the HPFP on my ED30 before the TBE and its was great, then when I put the TBE on it just brought everything together and it was spot-on :happy2:
This was all APR stuff from Awesome as well by the way MSPORTMAN :smiley:
Have you got the before and after for the HPFP conversion or can you remember what the figures were?
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yes, I'm sure I've got the rolling road runs before and after, Jim and the blokes from APR used my car for the development of APR's HPFP map on the ED30, I'll try and dig them out. I the fitted the TBE after the mapping was done.