MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => Superchips Zone => Topic started by: Spadds on March 01, 2013, 12:54:50 pm
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Hi All
I'm after a CAT back SS exhaust and considering a stage 1 blufin to the MK5 Gti as well. I'm not bothered about loads of power more about driveability, bit more mpg when driving lilke a vicar, and low risk, easy to do. :wink:
I see demon teaks are selling blufins on fleabay for £365, which to me doesn't sound too bad.
However, reading comments on this section, it appears there are more negatives, than positive posts about Bluefin.
My quesiton is: Do those who have used/own a blufin recommend them or not?
I appreciated there are other options out there, but I'm not after a custom map, or driving far to a good tuners.
Thanks in advance
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I have bluefin on my edition 30.
I went bluefin for the drive-ability and didn't what no power...... no power...... then BANG loads of power.
Don't regret it one bit. And I got mine from daemon tweeks/eBay.
Get one and enjoy! :happy2:
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IMO, providing you only want stage 1, and dont want to move to stage 2 or 2+ then bluefin is fine.
If there is a small chance id give the likes of shark performance or r tech a look.
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:I second that, R Tech could do you a custom map which would improve your mpg, and they are cheaper than Bluefin! Depends a lot I guess on where in UK you are though!?
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I'm in York, so really it's a 150 mile trip to a good tuners which is why I'm contemplating the bluefin so much = cost effective.
If people are happy with them I may plumb for one.
:smiley:
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granted it may be a 150 mile round trip, perhaps more, but the difference you'd spend in fuel would be the difference you'd save by going to R Tech, if that makes sense, and trust me, i've had both Bluefin Stage 1 and an R Tech custom map, the difference is chalk and cheese, but each to their own!! :driver:
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I would recomment Super chips the same as i would recommend stuffing wasps up your gentleman sausage!
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mmmm, sounds fun! In all seriousness, if you are going no futher than Stage 1 and plan NO other mods whatsoever, then yes, Superchips will serve its purpose!! As soon as i decided to go to R Tech, by fook, the mods started, have continued, are continuing, and on pain of divorce, will probably continue. The decision is Yours, slippery slope or not!!??
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granted it may be a 150 mile round trip, perhaps more, but the difference you'd spend in fuel would be the difference you'd save by going to R Tech, if that makes sense, and trust me, i've had both Bluefin Stage 1 and an R Tech custom map, the difference is chalk and cheese, but each to their own!! :driver:
do you know the difference between your r tech and blue fin map? power torque etc?
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I think they will make similar BHP, but the Bluefin maps are quite conservative on torque, probably around 250lb/ft on stage1 where as R-tech will probably be closer to 300lb/ft, but as it's a custom map, I'm sure they could engineer a map to your liking.
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Bluefin will make around 270 Ish lb ft of torque.You will see more if your planning a Downpipe.
Nothing wrong with going stage one on bluefin. I've been running it donkeys years :signLOL:
I would recomment Super chips the same as i would recommend stuffing wasps up your gentleman sausage!
Good job you haven't actually had bluefin :wink:
And yes I'm leaving Bluefin and having one of Rtechs TIV custom maps on April 11th on stage 2.
I would agree that if your not planning to go more the stage 1 and you have very good restraint from modifying the car to death then lts good value compared to a lot of Overpriced generic alternatives.
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Ok, so I've bought the bluefin!
I'm savouring having it before I undertake the map change....... :drool:
I'll report back for reference.
I also have a new DV to fit and a Milltek cat back now so may add these on standard map and see how it goes before adding the bluefin.
Cheers
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Get it uploaded!
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Ok, so I have uploaded the blufin :happy2:
Not driven it far since, but it all went fine. Took about an hour in total from start to finish.
1) down load Oem map to blu fin. Took about 15mins.
2) install blu fin software on pc (note it says win98/2000/xp only, but my win 7 was fine). In fact, this was the most time consuming part.
3) plug blu fin into pc. Add your details. New software stuff sends your map to super chips HQ.
4) I got an immediate email notifying me that the new map was ready.
5) upload new map using software to blu fin hand set. 10 mins.
6) up load blu fin map to car.
7) job done.
Car feels sharper and more alive now. Not fussed about any figures, but it's better. Will give more details once I put more miles on it for you. It's not my old impreza, but it's better! :smiley:
To note, I got a k&n panel filter with the bluefin. This was the most awkward part off the upgrade. :laugh:
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So heres the update!!!!
Ok, so there are quite a few of these postings now, but what the heck, I had to share my excitement too!
I've had the mk5 for about 2 months and I really like its road handling, presence, and drive ability. I blufin'd it two weeks ago and thought that was more like it, though I still wasn't blown away for the supposed 240 ponies that were under the hood now.....I would almost say the k&n panel air filter and stage 1 wasn't worth the money.
I bought a new DV about a month ago, but never fitted as the weather was too cold
So today I've had the car on the ramps and had a ferret around underneath for the first time.
I changed the oil and filter and added the missing (!) front splitter.
I also changed the DV
The old one was like so many on the threads I have read, knackered. It took me about 45 mins to change the DV and when I got it off, I was SO happy the diaphragm was knackered as this meant that my suspicions that the car wasn't running right were now confirmed.
Slapped the new one on and went shopping with the mrs. so a steady drive.....
Blooming heck! Now that's what I was expecting!!!! Impreza munching German performance.....
Welcome back GTI, you've been missed!
Like other posts, I would urge anyone to check theirs, life's too short to drive around with leaking boost!!!
Spadds
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I'm in York, so really it's a 150 mile trip to a good tuners which is why I'm contemplating the bluefin so much = cost effective.
If people are happy with them I may plumb for one.
:smiley:
Little bit late on replying but I drove over 200 miles to Darkside, who tuned my car, and I had to get a hotel as they kept the car for 2 days.
Likewise when I originally had some tuning work done at Rtech (my first original remap), which are over 100 miles from me, because the quality of the work and the dyno figures, health check etc, are well worth the small (relative) cost in travel. I would travel to North Scotland is that's where Darkside where and I needed some tuning parts, but that's just me. :smiley:
An R-tech map is like, £250-300? And a Bluefin is, £375? Is it going to cost you £75-125 in fuel to drive 200 miles?
Now it's hard to try and explain things without putting peoples backs up but I would say you've made a bad decision, personally.
Any tuning that is done without logging the car and making sure it's healthy, with a rolling road, is never going to get you good results in comparison to a proper one. For example R-Tech would have spotted the dogdy DV straight away and either offered a replacement (I can't remember if they keep bits laying around) or given you the correct advice.
Peak power is never an accurate measure of a cars performance, I would rather drive a 280bhp Golf which has smooth, perfectly mapped fuelling and a wide torque and power band, than a very peaky 310bhp Golf, which has all of it's power and torque in the last 3000rpm of the rev range, with poor fuelling negatively affecting both fuel economy and throttle response.
You wouldn't notice a difference of around 5bhp anyway, but you would notice the flatspots that may possible occur from a dodgy map.
It's like painting.
You can draw a picture of a Mini yourself;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.carbuzz.co.uk%2Flarge%2FMINI%2FHatchback%2FMini-Hatchback%2520%281%29.jpg&hash=f22abbea8f9be9308aa2d46052d0619cdb06d95d)
Or describe the picture of the Mini for someone else to draw.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chinacartimes.com%2Fwp-content%2Flifan320-outside-a.jpg&hash=3536c44da5636cd210279b4bd98860a009721a34)
Very recently a member on another forum I use put a remap on their car, against the advice of people who knew what they were talking about, 2 weeks later it shat their turbo.
Ultimately, as long as you are happy at the end of the day that is what matters. I'm glad changing the DV made a big difference, it must be night and day. :happy2:
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Some interesting points there, thanks for those. :happy2:
I’m now more than happy with the performance/power of the gti with the new DV fitted, and I’m getting about 3-4 more mpg. I would be interested to feel how it performs on a standard map with functioning DV.
It would also be interesting to hear comments from Superchips to how they obtain their tuned “bulk” maps for the masses, as apposed to reviewing each individual car on a RR. I would imagine they’d come back with comments based on thousands of hours of testing, and the fact that their “standard” tuning maps work just on the same principle as the generic map that VW load on the ECU of the Gti when its built. I guess there could also be a caveat that the car must be running correctly to obtain best performance too.
I got the blufin for £365 off fleaby, with K&N panel filter which I’ve seen on line for about £50, so it’s cost £315, which isn’t too bad, but more than R-Tech, Revo, Shark. You’ve also got that factor that if you are DIY mapping the car at home and you have a mech/elec issue, it’s your issue, and not your tuners to help you with! :scared:
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V Happy with my Buefin but only after instaling a new Genuine VW dump valve, original had split and its now going like a train, very smooth delivery and fuel consumption has improved massively too.
Cheers Pete.
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Very happy with my bluefin, smooth power delivery all the way through the range. Cant understand why they get slated. It has transformed my Eddy.
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Getting mine Bluefin'd soon! :driver:
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Just did mine (ED30) a few weeks ago, no other mods. Awesome, really transformed the car with relentless shove especially in 3rd gear and up where the pressure gets a chance to build. I have had and have other fast cars and this is such an impressive car now, superb value. Just needs some brakes to match now.
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I pulled 314 bhp after map so they must be doing something right :congrats: all be it perhaps not as good a map as revo or Apr but for the money on stage 1 it's well worth it I love the pull after 80 in 6th it's nuts :star:
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More expensive than an R-tech map though?
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I paid £265 in total brought a used handset off another forum member then had it updated and reset at superchips, now waiting for it to be returned :party:l
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More expensive than an R-tech map though?
Yes but, personally i am no where near R tech so add fuel and more imprtantly for me time then the Bluefin is an ok compromise.