MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: njdudsbury on March 11, 2013, 12:49:21 pm
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Had the car for 6 years now, still makes me smile when you give it the beans. Standard car and kept it mint with 45k on clock.
Seriously thinking of having a map done now the value of the car has come down a bit.
Everybody seems to have good things to say but there must be some downsides / nightmares people have had.
people views / experience require please.
Wheres the best place? I'm in Derby.
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Stage 1 is the best thing to happen to my GTi. I had it done at 3 years old and 50k. I got a JabbaSport remap which transformed the car.
The only thing you will need to change is the DV valve as it will let go!
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R Tech all the way in Hinckley, Leicestershire..!! :evilgrin:
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R Tech all the way in Hinckley, Leicestershire..!! :evilgrin:
Another vote for R-Tech. You won't get better service or value for money elsewhere :notworthy:
See here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62987.0.html
Give them a call and leave a message if you don't get through (the workshop is noisy so they don't always hear the phone)
Gray
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What sort of power increase will you see from stage 1 there is a place I know that's doing a company called ELITE recaps and they say a stage one is 240 bhp would this be about right
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What sort of power increase will you see from stage 1 there is a place I know that's doing a company called ELITE recaps and they say a stage one is 240 bhp would this be about right
240 is about right for a K03 TFSI, it alters slightly from tuner to tuner and car to car, torque is quite a bit different from different companies though, probably range from 240lb/ft to 320lb/ft+... but remember to think about that clutch.
Choose any of the decent tuners and you'll experience a VERY noticeable change in the GTI's character/performance. I would also recommend having a Revision G DV fitted at the same time; part is about £30, and takes about 20mins or so to fit. It will ensure you get the very best from your tune from day one. :happy2:
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I put the rev g in about a month ago as my original was knackered. Do the clutches go quite quickly once mapped the torque of this particular map is 258lb/ft
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Anybody else got any views?
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Had my last four cars remapped, just go somewhere reputable with premises
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I put the rev g in about a month ago as my original was knackered. Do the clutches go quite quickly once mapped the torque of this particular map is 258lb/ft
258lb/ft, same as my old Aero when it was standard, that had an epically flat torque curve though from the 2.3L; the K03 are usually a bit spikey in their torque delivery. The more torque you put through the clutch the less it's going to like it... imho a nice balance is around 280lb/ft, esp. when taking into consideration wet weather driving - which we get rather a lot of in the UK.
I would definitely heed the advice of others and go to a reputable place for your map, not worth risking the damage of your engine for the sake of a few £'s.
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Anybody else got any views?
Plenty of other peoples views here if you need more persuasion:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18825.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22083.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18058.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14945.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20974.0.html
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56544.0.html
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Go to R-tech you will not be disaapointed, drove a round trip of 220 miles for my map, was worth every mile! I live 5 mins from AMD but went R-tech because couldnt find a bad word about them which in this day and age is very hard! My cars 243 bhp and 290lbsft and its literally a night and day difference, absolutly epic, cant wait to go stage 2!
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I'm also thinking of going stage 1 on my mk6. My question is though, is it safer and better all round to go somewhere like r-tech that has a rolling road etc, rather than getting a switch like a bluefin through the post?
I think I'd need a switch regardless for when it goes in for servicing etc.
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I'm also thinking of going stage 1 on my mk6. My question is though, is it safer and better all round to go somewhere like r-tech that has a rolling road etc, rather than getting a switch like a bluefin through the post?
I think I'd need a switch regardless for when it goes in for servicing etc.
R-tech don't custom map the MK6 GTI (different engine / ECU to mk5).
I think it's something they will look into in future as they are so buy wit mk4/5's right now.
They will do you a Revo map though and set it up on the dyno :happy2:
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How much is an r tech remap the map I am looking at is an elite remap as a mate of mine has now got all the stuff to mobile map now and is going to charge me £200
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Pay peanuts, Pay twice... Get a decent reputable map from someone who knows what they're doing, otherwise you'll be on here again, asking why it broke/why it's not running right etc. and wishing you'd heeded our advice...
My advice is don;t do it, it's the start of a very slippery slope! :grin:
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How much is an r tech remap the map I am looking at is an elite remap as a mate of mine has now got all the stuff to mobile map now and is going to charge me £200
R-Tech is around £250
Mobile remaps are generic maps which aren't configured to your car, no data logging or fault finding before hand. It's not what you want on your pride & joy really. .
They won't know what to do if you have problems. mobile remaps are a way of making a fast buck by changing a few factors in the map to give more power without giving it any proper development
For an extra £50 go to a tuner recommended on the forum, don't just look for the cheapest option. . .
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Deffo research the tuner before I had my gti mapped just pluged in there you go so 240 bhp and a week later it rolling roaded at 225 there was no per checks just plugged in so after I went 2 a good garage/ tuners shark and got boost leeks sorted new throttle flap motor and stage 2 done 245 with 380nm and prob be aware you don't just get 240 stage1 260 stage 2 cars vary and so does power delivery and torque between tuners just my 2 penneth
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IF I didn't live so far away from civilization I would go to R-Tech for that money, be silly not to with all the positive reviews.
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The bloke I no does a full fault check first. But Before i gets my car mapped got to find out why I am getting the lumpy idle as its not good having the map done and still running rough
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Another vote for Nick and Ben at Rtech. I'm going up in April and switching to one of nick's TIV maps
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The bloke I no does a full fault check first. But Before i gets my car mapped got to find out why I am getting the lumpy idle as its not good having the map done and still running rough
You can lead a horse to water. . . . :ashamed:
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Another vote for Nick and Ben at Rtech. I'm going up in April and switching to one of nick's TIV maps
Let us know what the outcome is. . . perhaps a "Product review" - with a comparison to Superchips after you have put a few miles on? :happy2:
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Another vote for Nick and Ben at Rtech. I'm going up in April and switching to one of nick's TIV maps
Let us know what the outcome is. . . perhaps a "Product review" - with a comparison to Superchips after you have put a few miles on? :happy2:
I'd like to read that... wonder if the words "Night & Day" come into it... :signLOL:
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A few have mentioned clutches, does it knacker it quick?
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Another vote for Nick and Ben at Rtech. I'm going up in April and switching to one of nick's TIV maps
Let us know what the outcome is. . . perhaps a "Product review" - with a comparison to Superchips after you have put a few miles on? :happy2:
Oh I will :happy2:Another vote for Nick and Ben at Rtech. I'm going up in April and switching to one of nick's TIV maps
Let us know what the outcome is. . . perhaps a "Product review" - with a comparison to Superchips after you have put a few miles on? :happy2:
I'd like to read that... wonder if the words "Night & Day" come into it... :signLOL:
I'm not so sure, but will give my honest thoughts :driver:
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Another vote for Nick at R-tech, my car made more power and torque than a mates with the same mods and a revo map. We both also agree my car drives better than the same car with a revo map the power is a lot smoother and torquey. So in short GET TO R-TECH!
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Another vote for Nick at R-tech, my car made more power and torque than a mates with the same mods and a revo map. We both also agree my car drives better than the same car with a revo map the power is a lot smoother and torquey. So in short GET TO R-TECH!
Interesting :party:
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Another vote for Nick at R-tech, my car made more power and torque than a mates with the same mods and a revo map. We both also agree my car drives better than the same car with a revo map the power is a lot smoother and torquey. So in short GET TO R-TECH!
Interesting :party:
That result is exactly what I'd expect. Niki is one of the best mappers out there and tailors each map to your individual vehicle and driving style :notworthy:
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Another vote for Nick at R-tech, my car made more power and torque than a mates with the same mods and a revo map. We both also agree my car drives better than the same car with a revo map the power is a lot smoother and torquey. So in short GET TO R-TECH!
Interesting :party:
That result is exactly what I'd expect. Niki is one of the best mappers out there and tailors each map to your individual vehicle and driving style :notworthy:
I won't go anywhere else now, excellent service at a great price :happy2:my car made 260bhp 310ftlb on stage one with a neuspeed intake and the precat gone.
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R tech stage 1 cost 290 quid, no?
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Correct, nearly half the price of the generic maps. :wink:
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A few have mentioned clutches, does it knacker it quick?
i,d like an answer to this aswell please...........?
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Although a custom map is best for torque (power is debatable)... an off the shelf map still serves a purpose for those that are a million miles away from R-tech... coupled with the ease of dialing back to standard using the handheld if you have ANY problems.
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i,m going to go to r-tech in the near future, but could the map burn my clutch out quicker?
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i,m going to go to r-tech in the near future, but could the map burn my clutch out quicker?
Ask Niki to go easy on the torque :happy2:
Some don't have any clutch slip, others do. Luck of the draw :sad1:
The beauty of a custom map is they can keep the torque down to protect your clutch :happy2:
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Another vote for R-tech. He seems to get loads of positive reviews on here.
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Although a custom map is best for torque (power is debatable)... an off the shelf map still serves a purpose for those that are a million miles away from R-tech... coupled with the ease of dialing back to standard using the handheld if you have ANY problems.
Remember it's how it drives, not peak figures :happy2:
If torque is better, surely power would be slightly better also as is the boost giving you the torque , the same thing that gives you power.
A custom map is about drivability , tailoring the map to how you drive and the exact spec of your car. Generic maps are built around a "one size fits all" which is designed to work with all types of hardware so will always be a compromise.
The way I see it, with pricing differences between some of the maps available, you could travel from Scotland to r-tech, have your car mapped and come back several times before you've matched the cost of a big brand map. . .
Its down to personal preference at the end of the day, I've learnt a lot in the last 2yrs of being on the forum & speaking to tuners and for me it's a no brainier to get top quality service, a quality map for a great price
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My stage 1 off the shelf map makes ~165bhp at 3k, ~200bhp at 4k, with ~280 lb/ft, it then progressively goes on to make just shy of 250bhp max; all I have is a Pre-cat delete.
I'm sure a custom map will make more torque (eating my clutch in the process, I'm on 110k, 45k of which have been tuned!), but as I live a LONG way from a decent tuner, I'm more than happy with my output / drivability, and the chance to stage back when it suits me is a huge bonus for fault finding, as one Highlands member would've been happy for just recently! (his clutch was failing and had to make a long journey to the nearest vw indy for repair on a high torque tuned map :scared:)
You pays your money.. and all that shizzle. :signLOL:
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Has anyone with an ed30 had one of nicks TIV maps yet? Or am I the 1st? :grin:
I'm agree, never been a fan of Revos pricing for what it is, and people just accepting that if its highly priced,must mean its the best.
I'm looking foward to trying nicks work out on my car, I will still have my bluefin on my handset along with its stock map, but unsure on the latta if that's retrievable in a emergency. But not overly concerned as getting a stock map isn't a problem. But from reading lots of reviews, I think I won't be needing it :laugh:. Very much looking foward to April 11th and a day of testing and give my honest thoughts on the difference, and then on to comparing it against other cars on an independent dyno at the next arranged RR day (torque curve is my main objective) not interested in final bhp being higher then say Revo or APR, just a smooth very drive able Stage 2 Edition 30 that can actually put the power down without sitting and going nowhere if you have too much torque at low revs. :happy2:
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Steve. Nik did a ed30 stage one a while back with tiv and it made 314bhp. ;-)
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Linear throttle may be worthwhile too - again, Nick will sort you out :happy2:
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Although a custom map is best for torque (power is debatable)... an off the shelf map still serves a purpose for those that are a million miles away from R-tech... coupled with the ease of dialing back to standard using the handheld if you have ANY problems.
Remember it's how it drives, not peak figures :happy2:
If torque is better, surely power would be slightly better also as is the boost giving you the torque , the same thing that gives you power.
A custom map is about drivability , tailoring the map to how you drive and the exact spec of your car. Generic maps are built around a "one size fits all" which is designed to work with all types of hardware so will always be a compromise.
The way I see it, with pricing differences between some of the maps available, you could travel from Scotland to r-tech, have your car mapped and come back several times before you've matched the cost of a big brand map. . .
Its down to personal preference at the end of the day, I've learnt a lot in the last 2yrs of being on the forum & speaking to tuners and for me it's a no brainier to get top quality service, a quality map for a great price
A good point that mate - about travelling from Scotland. I'm currently looking to get a map around April. Only choice here (Aberdeen) is really REVO. 100 mile drive opens that choice up, but just to the usual suspects, GIAC, APR etc. Might consider R-Tech as a realistic option as like you say, a map and petrol (and poss accommodation) would probably still be cheaper than APR/REVO. My only concern would be if there were any issues with the map, how easy it would be to get them resolved from 300+ miles away?
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Although a custom map is best for torque (power is debatable)... an off the shelf map still serves a purpose for those that are a million miles away from R-tech... coupled with the ease of dialing back to standard using the handheld if you have ANY problems.
Remember it's how it drives, not peak figures :happy2:
If torque is better, surely power would be slightly better also as is the boost giving you the torque , the same thing that gives you power.
A custom map is about drivability , tailoring the map to how you drive and the exact spec of your car. Generic maps are built around a "one size fits all" which is designed to work with all types of hardware so will always be a compromise.
The way I see it, with pricing differences between some of the maps available, you could travel from Scotland to r-tech, have your car mapped and come back several times before you've matched the cost of a big brand map. . .
Its down to personal preference at the end of the day, I've learnt a lot in the last 2yrs of being on the forum & speaking to tuners and for me it's a no brainier to get top quality service, a quality map for a great price
A good point that mate - about travelling from Scotland. I'm currently looking to get a map around April. Only choice here (Aberdeen) is really REVO. 100 mile drive opens that choice up, but just to the usual suspects, GIAC, APR etc. Might consider R-Tech as a realistic option as like you say, a map and petrol (and poss accommodation) would probably still be cheaper than APR/REVO. My only concern would be if there were any issues with the map, how easy it would be to get them resolved from 300+ miles away?
Nick won't let you off the premises until everything is tried and tested so you know there is nothing wrong with the map :happy2:
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What sort of problems can develop after/with a remap?
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What sort of problems can develop after/with a remap?
Worms, can of...
Components are under more stress, you shorten the life of those components.
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Anyone experienced that on here? I'm debating if to map my 05 74k..
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What sort of problems can develop after/with a remap?
Worms, can of...
Components are under more stress, you shorten the life of those components.
To be more specific, your clutch & flywheel will be under more stress which could lead to clutch slip.
Problems with Spark plugs and coils are often highlighted by tuning. RedRobin is on 105,000 miles and been tuned since around 20,000 miles.
Engine components take the power no problems :happy2:
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Driveshafts / CV joints / Turbo etc. etc. you put more power through a system you are closer to its tolerance... you WILL shorten component life
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Most people will have the extra power added but not really use it, due to speed limits and traffic
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Let's not forget, increases will be created right over the rev range, most notably a lot more torque at low revs, 2.5 - 3.5k
It's an educated decision to make, I know more power and torque causes more stress on a system (stands to reason), but I'm willing to accept that.
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We're in Manchester for you more northern people.
If the clutch slips with a stage 1 type map, it's on its way out. yes, you can keep the torque down but where's the fun in that :) These cars are well engineered and can lap up a stage 1 map, so I wouldn't be overly concerned about that :)
Rick
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Compromise. Yes you can savage the clutch with 320lb/ft+ but can you put it down?, does it translate to making progress? In a country that's mostly wet; I'll happily dial it back, have some fun, save my clutch / tyres / components and still make similar progress.
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Driveshafts / CV joints / Turbo etc. etc. you put more power through a system you are closer to its tolerance... you WILL shorten component life
Tbh I've not heard of any problems related to a remap such as driveshafts, cv's etc. the cars take the power very well :happy2:
Agreed that you will shorten component life, but as the car body will have rotten away well before the engine dies its not worth worrying about - providing you maintain your car correctly :laugh:
Most folk will have rid of their car before its even done 100k miles - which as I said above,RR has done that mileage with no issues
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In lower gears yes, but you can limit the torque there and then have more in the higher gears to make proper progress without having to rev the engine :)
Rick
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Driveshafts / CV joints / Turbo etc. etc. you put more power through a system you are closer to its tolerance... you WILL shorten component life
Tbh I've not heard of any problems related to a remap such as driveshafts, cv's etc. the cars take the power very well :happy2:
Agreed that you will shorten component life, but as the car body will have rotten away well before the engine dies its not worth worrying about - providing you maintain your car correctly :laugh:
Most folk will have rid of their car before its even done 100k miles - which as I said above,RR has done that mileage with no issues
New ~Turbo fitted and the odd other problem. :happy2:
There is plenty of headroom in all of the associated parts, so as long as the map is a quality one then you shouldn't be worried. But your hardware might be already a bit tired and the heavier right foot that comes with the map may help find the end of certain parts lifespan. :happy2:
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We're in Manchester for you more northern people.
If the clutch slips with a stage 1 type map, it's on its way out. yes, you can keep the torque down but where's the fun in that :) These cars are well engineered and can lap up a stage 1 map, so I wouldn't be overly concerned about that :)
Rick
how much for stage 1 from Unicorn rick?
cheers :smiley: