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Title: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Scrubadub on March 12, 2013, 10:12:04 am
Ive coded my boot pop, ordered the scirocco bump stops, just need the gas lifters.
I found these on ebay and wondered if they would do the job?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321058707161?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

600N force? is that better than the standard genuine fabia struts?
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: camfollower on March 12, 2013, 10:26:53 am
iirc, the standard fabia ones were 400Nm, but don't quote me on that; love to see how you get on and whether these will make the boot pop mod work when it's cold. :happy2:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 12, 2013, 10:53:07 am
Not sure if those would fit but would be interesting if they do :happy2:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Trev. on March 12, 2013, 11:15:05 am
Would this mod work on a mk5 Jetta?
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Squeeguk on March 12, 2013, 02:12:27 pm
My Jetta boot pops already as standard. Doesn't work so well in this cold though, but in the summer, it positively jumps open.
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Trev. on March 12, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: chrisr763 on March 12, 2013, 02:27:36 pm
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!

To replicate this in the cold. You can open & close it several times to warm up the struts. Then give it a go  :wink:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 12, 2013, 09:15:45 pm
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!

To replicate this in the cold. You can open & close it several times to warm up the struts. Then give it a go  :wink:
Tried that many times and just wont work for me, shouldnt have wasted my time on this mod.
With the weight of the gti spoiler and the mk6 rear view camera mine is useless unless i am pointing downhill  :ashamed:
It is a simple weight issue with this mod, is the normal struts def 400nm,,,, i cant think of a way to fix this apart from a stronger strut ( if that worked i might wanna be carefull if i am pointing downhill when using it ) could knock the wife into the next field  :signLOL:
Seriouslly need to fix this and feedback on the other struts would be very helpfull
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: JoeDarKa on March 12, 2013, 09:40:28 pm
Werent you having problems with the bump stops?
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scopes on March 12, 2013, 10:06:36 pm
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!

To replicate this in the cold. You can open & close it several times to warm up the struts. Then give it a go  :wink:
Tried that many times and just wont work for me, shouldnt have wasted my time on this mod.
With the weight of the gti spoiler and the mk6 rear view camera mine is useless unless i am pointing downhill  :ashamed:
It is a simple weight issue with this mod, is the normal struts def 400nm,,,, i cant think of a way to fix this apart from a stronger strut ( if that worked i might wanna be carefull if i am pointing downhill when using it ) could knock the wife into the next field  :signLOL:
Seriouslly need to fix this and feedback on the other struts would be very helpfull

Ah man, do not be so down hearted, you will get it sorted... someone will have tried stronger struts... I think tfsi mike got stronger ones...

goodluck in finding what works man  :happy2:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 12, 2013, 10:21:56 pm
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!

To replicate this in the cold. You can open & close it several times to warm up the struts. Then give it a go  :wink:
Tried that many times and just wont work for me, shouldnt have wasted my time on this mod.
With the weight of the gti spoiler and the mk6 rear view camera mine is useless unless i am pointing downhill  :ashamed:
It is a simple weight issue with this mod, is the normal struts def 400nm,,,, i cant think of a way to fix this apart from a stronger strut ( if that worked i might wanna be carefull if i am pointing downhill when using it ) could knock the wife into the next field  :signLOL:
Seriouslly need to fix this and feedback on the other struts would be very helpfull

So yours doesn't even work even after its been opened once or twice just soon previously? Sounds like something's wrong as mine works fine if it has been opened/closed just before (to imitate summer).
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 13, 2013, 12:48:31 am
Cheers for that will wait and see what it does in warmer weather!

To replicate this in the cold. You can open & close it several times to warm up the struts. Then give it a go  :wink:
Tried that many times and just wont work for me, shouldnt have wasted my time on this mod.
With the weight of the gti spoiler and the mk6 rear view camera mine is useless unless i am pointing downhill  :ashamed:
It is a simple weight issue with this mod, is the normal struts def 400nm,,,, i cant think of a way to fix this apart from a stronger strut ( if that worked i might wanna be carefull if i am pointing downhill when using it ) could knock the wife into the next field  :signLOL:
Seriouslly need to fix this and feedback on the other struts would be very helpfull

So yours doesn't even work even after its been opened once or twice just soon previously? Sounds like something's wrong as mine works fine if it has been opened/closed just before (to imitate summer).
Was going to get another set of the bumper stops and i will just in case but i know i need more ooomph in the struts,,, i can open and close mine all day long manually to free it off but it makes no difference.
I think the mk6 camera is the problem as it is a fair bit heavier than the normal mk5 rear handle, add that to the weight of the gti spoiler compared to the diesel for example,,,,,, i need stronger struts but dont know what will fit and i cant find anything,,, im assuming i need at least 50% more oooomph in them.
If between us we could find something that would fit then our problems could be solved as well as the winter stickiness.
Has anyone any ideas where we can find a set of struts with more power but the same dimensions, they will be cheap enough and a five minute job  :drinking:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: JoeDarKa on March 13, 2013, 07:43:26 am
I dont think your bump stops are working correctly as im sure you said they just spin and spin?
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 13, 2013, 10:43:04 am
The only thing is if you go for stronger struts you would have to really slam the boot shut for it to close.

I noticed the difference between the standard Golf and the Skoda ones because when closing my old mans boot the other day (standard TDI) I ended up using extra force (due to being accustomed to mine) and it slammed shut followed by a verbal WTF are you doing :grin:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: camfollower on March 13, 2013, 10:47:09 am
Didn't TFSI Mike have some custom one's made... not sure how he got on with them though, perhaps if he's sees this he will chime in,.

Sounds logical it would be more difficult to shut, and perhaps put more pressure on the lock too...  I noticed if your dial out the bump stops too much this has a similar adverse effect.
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Scrubadub on March 13, 2013, 12:20:26 pm
Did I read somewhere you need to grease the ball pins? I fitted the rocco bumpers and they pop the boot just fine so just need the struts now
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Scrubadub on March 13, 2013, 12:43:38 pm
Did I read somewhere you need to grease the ball pins? I fitted the rocco bumpers and they pop the boot just fine so just need the struts now
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 13, 2013, 09:27:31 pm
I dont think your bump stops are working correctly as im sure you said they just spin and spin?
yeah when i fitted the stoppers they just kept turning with the allan key but they appear to be going in and out ok and i dont think they could work any better - saying that i will get a new set just in case, dont think its causing the problem though.
I to have nearly damaged my wifes mk4 boot lid when closing it as it is soooo light in comparison to mine, i will contact tfsimike and see if he can help out.
Im sure my mk6 handle camera unit isnt helping as it is fairly heavy, add the gti spoiler and i guess that is where my problems lie.
My boot is very heavy but would i accept it being even heavier to get the pop to work !!! i suppose i would,,, will contact him and report back.
Anyone else got this fited to a gti AND has the mk6 camera fitted ???
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 13, 2013, 09:50:20 pm
Ok guys, mike got back to me, to make it easy i will copy / paste his reply, here it is

Hey mate,

If I remember right the company is called struts direct.

They're dead helpful. You can spec the struts to the force you want.  Only thing is it can become hard to close the tailgate if you make the struts too stiff.

They make struts that you can release gas from to adjust the force.

An option (maybe a bit extreme) would be a lexan rear screen.  Plastics for performance do them. Would be a great weight saving which is ways a good thing but relatively expensive. £80-100 iirc

Hope that helps 

Best,

Mike

So the company is called struts direct,,,, would i pay say £100 for a set of struts that where just right and also adjustable if necc ???? think i would if it meant getting this mod to work correctly - what about you guys ???
I will contact them tomorrow and post my findings here,,,
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 13, 2013, 09:54:21 pm
Here is their web site
http://www.strutsdirect.co.uk/components/index.php
I will call them tomorrow guys and let you know how i get on
 :drinking:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 13, 2013, 09:57:28 pm
forgot to ask, does anyone know the force of the struts we have fitted just now, not the oem ones but the boot pop mod ones.
No doubt i will get asked this when i call the company, if i remember right it is 400nm, or ns or something like that  :ashamed:
will help if someone can confirm this
 :drinking:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 13, 2013, 10:25:08 pm

Iirc the fabia struts are about 500
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Scrubadub on March 14, 2013, 01:46:54 pm
Just checked and fabia struts are 600N force
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 14, 2013, 08:27:50 pm
Just checked and fabia struts are 600N force
is that definate buddy as i will phone the strut dudes tomorrow  :happy2:
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Scrubadub on March 14, 2013, 09:11:51 pm
Had just walked out to my bosses mums fabia and read it straight off the strut 600N
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: Kalpsn2000 on March 14, 2013, 09:25:51 pm
Also says 600N here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-BOOT-STRUTS-L-440-600-N-SKODA-FABIA-/370695168260?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D290481025395%26ps%3D54&nma=true&si=j2NMNUWtId4kmrBdeAAZ%252BvrMDRE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


Just checked the Golf ones and they are 535N so the Fabia ones are not really much of an increase.
Title: Re: Boot pop mod, non genuine lifters?
Post by: scottm72 on March 14, 2013, 11:29:38 pm
Also says 600N here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-X-BOOT-STRUTS-L-440-600-N-SKODA-FABIA-/370695168260?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D290481025395%26ps%3D54&nma=true&si=j2NMNUWtId4kmrBdeAAZ%252BvrMDRE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


Just checked the Golf ones and they are 535N so the Fabia ones are not really much of an increase.
Ahh that makes sense actually as to why this bl**dy mod has so many problems,
535 up to 600 is a tiny increase - this info really helps as i have the 2 figures now that i needed.
I will call the strut specialist company i found on-line that tfsi mike recomended tomorrow and see what they advise.
Thanks very much guys for the info and i will let you know what they say regarding solving this mods problems.