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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Andy on March 13, 2013, 09:19:22 pm
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My girl friend has read some where on the net that the tv licence isn't law and just a contract you but am telling her its under the consumer act 2003 that you need a tv licence if your tv is connected to a aerial
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CAB Website
Who needs a television licence?
You need a TV Licence to use any television-receiving equipment to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on TV. These include programmes on the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, cable and satellite television. Television-receiving equipment includes:
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Yeah telling her that Rich but she isn't listing think she wants the tv licence money for some new shoes :signLOL:
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
Final word, just pay it, it's a lot less hassle :happy2:
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Well dont pay it.... but get her to sign a disclaimer to say that it was her idea and that any fines are to be addressed to her.....
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
Final word, just pay it, it's a lot less hassle :happy2:
Don't tell me she is right
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Well dont pay it.... but get her to sign a disclaimer to say that it was her idea and that any fines are to be addressed to her.....
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Good idea Rich but it's in my name :sad1:
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Transfer it...
As above... you might well get away with it, but its just not worth it.
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I Believe you also need a TV licence to watch a channel on a laptop, although not sure how that could be enforced?
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Ahh love the freeman of the land rubbish. The Communications Act 2003 requires you to have a tv licence if you watch tv etc etc. It's not a contract, it's not a "I don't feel like paying today", it's the law that government has set
Her argument could be the same for road tax or insurance. Road tax is a contract with the DVLA therefore I don't feel like entering the contract today and as such will not be paying for it. I will, however, continue driving on the roads. Again, legislation states you have to have road tax to go on the road.
Regardless, an act of parliament aka the Communications Act 2003 is law. Regardless of whether you agree to it or (ie: whether you consent to it or not) is neither here nor there. Parliament act on our behalf after we, the public, vote them in. Therefore, we give them a mandate to act on our behalf.
SO, the gf needs to pay.
Those people who opt out of things, who then complain of police harassment, actually have no leg to stand on as harassment is a concept introduced under the harass act. Something, as an act, they don't believe in.
Anyway, I digress. If she doesn't want to pay, await her court summons!
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if she doesnt want to pay it, make sure the TV license bods have no evidence of her watching live tv. If she aint watching it, she doesnt need to pay it
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How does it work say you don't have a tv in your house but say your car has one and also you did need a licence for radio and all cars have them fitted as standard
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It's okay we renewed it last week so no worries on that score..
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How does it work say you don't have a tv in your house but say your car has one and also you did need a licence for radio and all cars have them fitted as standard
The law definately hasn't caught up with this!
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if she doesnt want to pay it, make sure the TV license bods have no evidence of her watching live tv. If she aint watching it, she doesnt need to pay it
Not true, if you have the capabiltiy to receive TV programmes, then you have to pay. Regardless of whether you watch TV or not. It also covers Radio too anyway.
For £12 a month is she really that bothered? Like you said, you pay it anyway.
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An interesting article :happy2:
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/pc-help/2162820/tv-licence
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I know somebody who quite openly admits that he doesnt have a tv licence, on the premise that those vans no longer go round our streets checking, etc! Add to that the fact that when you purchase a television, the retailer does not now inform the tv licencing people, so lets face it, the only way they will be caught is if somebody dobs them in!!! I disagree with a lot of our taxes, but I hate people who dont pay!! :@
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I'm pretty certain that you have to pay if you merely own a TV. Whether you watch live broadcasts or not, owning a TV means you have the equipment to receive the broadcasts and that is what the license covers you for.
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
o.O
An Act of Parliament is legislation - consent doesn't really come into it?
Edit: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Parliament
An Act of Parliament is a statute (commonly called a law) enacted as primary legislation by a national or sub-national parliament
To keep relevant, you have to pay the TV license if you have a means of viewing television. I've seen someone argue (successfully) that because they have a television but no aerial they do not have to pay the license but take that as anecdotal.
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
o.O
An Act of Parliament is legislation - consent doesn't really come into it?
Edit: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Parliament
An Act of Parliament is a statute (commonly called a law) enacted as primary legislation by a national or sub-national parliament
To keep relevant, you have to pay the TV license if you have a means of viewing television. I've seen someone argue (successfully) that because they have a television but no aerial they do not have to pay the license but take that as anecdotal.
But this is where the Freeman's of the land argument stems from. You, like many don't understand it. They allegedly follow common law and don't recognise statute law aka law passed by parliament. They say that for an act to be binding (ie: apply to them), it needs consent of the governed and of course they don't consent. A you say, whether they consent or not is neither here nor there but hey.
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But this is where the Freeman's of the land argument stems from. You, like many don't understand it. They allegedly follow common law and don't recognise statute law aka law passed by parliament. They say that for an act to be binding (ie: apply to them), it needs consent of the governed and of course they don't consent. A you say, whether they consent or not is neither here nor there but hey.
Oh, right, I've heard of that lunacy before. I saw a video where some young lady was pulled over for not paying tax, or something like this; and then she tried (unsurprisingly unsuccessfully) to argue that the police had no power to arrest her and enforce the legislation as it was apparently maritime law and did not apply to her. Didn't realise it was more than a lunatic fringe tbh :confused:
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
o.O
An Act of Parliament is legislation - consent doesn't really come into it?
Edit: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Parliament
An Act of Parliament is a statute (commonly called a law) enacted as primary legislation by a national or sub-national parliament
To keep relevant, you have to pay the TV license if you have a means of viewing television. I've seen someone argue (successfully) that because they have a television but no aerial they do not have to pay the license but take that as anecdotal.
I've never had an aerial, I have a satellite dish :signLOL:
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It isn't a Law, it's an Act, which requires your consent.
The Police can't intervene until a court order by a Judge under oath etc. etc.
o.O
An Act of Parliament is legislation - consent doesn't really come into it?
Edit: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Parliament
An Act of Parliament is a statute (commonly called a law) enacted as primary legislation by a national or sub-national parliament
To keep relevant, you have to pay the TV license if you have a means of viewing television. I've seen someone argue (successfully) that because they have a television but no aerial they do not have to pay the license but take that as anecdotal.
I've never had an aerial, I have a satellite dish :signLOL:
looooll same!
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As I understand it, it is actually a Criminal Offence not to have a TV licence if you should have one.
I don't agree with the TV licence and I find it particularly offensive that even if you are registered as blind, you still have to pay a TV licence fee albeit reduced. Also, many old people who can't go out easily rely on watching TV for their connection with the outside world and they have to pay for a licence too.
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It could be worse, it could be paid for via standard taxation, and then no one really would have a choice.
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This is quite an interesting breakdown of how the licence fee is divided up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/whoweare/licencefee/
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As I understand it, it is actually a Criminal Offence not to have a TV licence if you should have one.
I don't agree with the TV licence and I find it particularly offensive that even if you are registered as blind, you still have to pay a TV licence fee albeit reduced. Also, many old people who can't go out easily rely on watching TV for their connection with the outside world and they have to pay for a licence too.
Mmn, I think we actually get a lot of value from the License. I quite like that the BBC has no adverts (even if the quality of the News service has gone downhill drastically in recent days) and some of the original programming the Beeb does is quite fantastic (I'm thinking mainly of their fact-based documentaries here, like the "Universe" series or anything by Attenborough and so on - "Africa" which was on recently was magnificent in HD). A lot of comparable shows are only made by companies like the Discovery Channel and I find them to be a bit hit-and-miss tbh. Also, Top Gear.
Doesn't C4 also get some portion of its funding from the License as well? Or was that only when it was set up as a new channel?
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As I understand it, it is actually a Criminal Offence not to have a TV licence if you should have one.
I don't agree with the TV licence and I find it particularly offensive that even if you are registered as blind, you still have to pay a TV licence fee albeit reduced. Also, many old people who can't go out easily rely on watching TV for their connection with the outside world and they have to pay for a licence too.
Why don't you agree with it??
Its the old giffers that are sat on pots of money, they can afford a license, they can afford to pay to travel on busses. The system is wrong....... Very wrong.
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The licence fee also covers funding for BBC radio, I'm fairly sure blind people are perfectly able to listen to both that, and the fantastic audio description service provided for TV programs.
Look at everything the BBC offers. Bargain.
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I would happily pay double for mine compared to commercial TV and radio dross . Thank god we still have the BBC and the way it is funded. Commercial radio is just Groundhog day sh*te and just look at the ITV pap that is on. I will consider the world lost forever if we ever loose The BBC and the unique way it is funded. :smiley:
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And don't get me started on Sky...
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I'd happily pay double just for 6 Music. Thank God they say sense and didn't ditch that channel.
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Anyone who is happy to pay double can pay for mine :grin: (assuming they haven't done so already)
I simply disagree with the principle that the populace has to pay to watch telly or listen to a radio.
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Anyone who is happy to pay double can pay for mine :grin: (assuming they haven't done so already)
I simply disagree with the principle that the populace has to pay to watch telly or listen to a radio.
But it costs money to make programs and transmit the signal.... its cannot run unless it is funded.
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Anyone who is happy to pay double can pay for mine :grin: (assuming they haven't done so already)
I simply disagree with the principle that the populace has to pay to watch telly or listen to a radio.
But it costs money to make programs and transmit the signal.... its cannot run unless it is funded.
....Sure, they could get advertising revenue like all the other TV companies do.
One option might be for people to pay for a version without adverts if that's what they prefer. I don't know how practical that would be though - Probably not practical.
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Anyone who is happy to pay double can pay for mine :grin: (assuming they haven't done so already)
I simply disagree with the principle that the populace has to pay to watch telly or listen to a radio.
But it costs money to make programs and transmit the signal.... its cannot run unless it is funded.
....Sure, they could get advertising revenue like all the other TV companies do.
And we'd end up with ITV. And that's sh*t.
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....Sure, they could get advertising revenue like all the other TV companies do.
And we'd end up with ITV. And that's sh*t.
....Not necessarily like ITV - We don't know, so why be so prejudiced? The BBC might get even better with commercial funding.
Besides, ALL the TV companies, including Auntie Beeb B C, broadcast a certain amount of 'sh*t'. I don't agree that everything broadcast by ITV is what you call "sh*t".
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No, there is often decent stuff on ITV..... ruined by 20 minutes of advertising in every 60 minutes of programming.
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No, there is often decent stuff on ITV..... ruined by 20 minutes of advertising in every 60 minutes of programming.
....Is it really 20 minutes in every 60?
Some of the advertising is very entertaining and enjoyable. It's also a good opportunity to check the forum or Facebook or put the kettle on or have a wee, etc.
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While we are on the subject of taxing the people of Britain "why do we pay the government for us to work" why do we pay income tax??? I know we pay council tax that's for the services we use but why income tax??
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While we are on the subject of taxing the people of Britain "why do we pay the government for us to work" why do we pay income tax??? I know we pay council tax that's for the services we use but why income tax??
Becausee they get themselves in so much debt they need a way to pay for it.
Because our goverment is sh*t
Because they like to rip are arseholes out
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Its like this bed room tax that is coming in to force,what ever next
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While we are on the subject of taxing the people of Britain "why do we pay the government for us to work" why do we pay income tax??? I know we pay council tax that's for the services we use but why income tax??
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Tax breakdown for £25,500 salary
£2,080 Pensions and Benefits
(including £212 on Housing Benefit and £296 on Incapacity Benefits)
£1,094 on the NHS
£824 on Education
£339 on Defence
£160 on the Police
£44 on Prisons
£92 on Roads
£71 on Railways
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The TV licence is democratic, dont wanna watch, dont pay.
The bbc being a public service, information service, must be funded somehow, being funded by the viewer ensures the impartiality of the content in relation to that.
I personally cant stand commercial TV, it's only as democratic as its highest bidder.
cue some online bingo adverts....
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The TV licence is democratic, dont wanna watch, dont pay.
The bbc being a public service, information service, must be funded somehow, being funded by the viewer ensures the impartiality of the content in relation to that.
I personally cant stand commercial TV, it's only as democratic as its highest bidder.
cue some online bingo adverts....
That's not technically true. If you have a TV and only watch ITV/CH4/CH5 you still have to pay the TV Licence as the TV is capable of receiving BBC channels.
I'm not 100% on this but its the way I understand it anyway.
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I see your point, :happy2:
The democratic part being in that as we hand the cash over we agree to tolerate adverts/commercial channels, In my opinion not everyone/viewer benefits from this democracy tho :)
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The TV licence is democratic, dont wanna watch, dont pay.
The bbc being a public service, information service, must be funded somehow, being funded by the viewer ensures the impartiality of the content in relation to that.
....I don't find the BBC to be wholly impartial and you have to pay the BBC licence fee even if you don't watch BBC progs.
I don't have Sky TV but at least you do have a choice not to pay if you don't want to watch Sky progs.
What is both ridiculous and totally wrong in my opinion is that you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a TV licence. Do you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a Road Tax licence?
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The TV licence is democratic, dont wanna watch, dont pay.
The bbc being a public service, information service, must be funded somehow, being funded by the viewer ensures the impartiality of the content in relation to that.
....I don't find the BBC to be wholly impartial and you have to pay the BBC licence fee even if you don't watch BBC progs.
I don't have Sky TV but at least you do have a choice not to pay if you don't want to watch Sky progs.
What is both ridiculous and totally wrong in my opinion is that you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a TV licence. Do you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a Road Tax licence?
Just pay or don't watch TV.... then theres no issue.
Citizens Advice Bureau......
Concessionary rates
You may be entitled to a reduced rate if you are:
over 75 years old
Not long to go Robin.... :grin:
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The TV licence is democratic, dont wanna watch, dont pay.
The bbc being a public service, information service, must be funded somehow, being funded by the viewer ensures the impartiality of the content in relation to that.
....I don't find the BBC to be wholly impartial and you have to pay the BBC licence fee even if you don't watch BBC progs.
I don't have Sky TV but at least you do have a choice not to pay if you don't want to watch Sky progs.
What is both ridiculous and totally wrong in my opinion is that you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a TV licence. Do you risk a Criminal Record if caught without a Road Tax licence?
Well the impartiality and public service provider is the main legal defence of the fee, whether or not we agree with that isnt the point. and you only risk the criminal record if you break the actual law
I agree that its a ridiculous law, as ridiculous as the adverts on sky.
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Yeh actually that's quite interesting robin! Having no tax is non-recordable but no tv licence is!! Think the same thing applies to fare evasion as lots of young people get criminal records for chancing it or more commonly genuine errors - nearly been there myself, but that's not material.
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TV licence. :signLOL:
Have a read:
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Questions%20and%20answers.htm
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