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Title: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 19, 2013, 03:00:07 pm
i know its probaly been covered a 100 times but wow im finding it hard to decide  :scared:

I had revo on my old 8p s3 stage 1 and then went to 2+ at a later date and it was very nice  :happy2:

i got r-tech going round in my head a little know but can anyone answer these questions for me?


1. If i go r-tech for stage2 and i want 2+ at a later date for the hpfp map what will i be charged?

2. What power do r-tech stage2 ed30 usually make? 330-340?

3. Any info on these map extras?

Linear DBW Throttle mapping
Rapid Shot RPM limiter cutting

4. I also see there is an extra for launch control being mapped into the car is this for manual cars also?

Thanks
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on March 19, 2013, 03:25:26 pm
i know its probaly been covered a 100 times but wow im finding it hard to decide  :scared:

I had revo on my old 8p s3 stage 1 and then went to 2+ at a later date and it was very nice  :happy2:

i got r-tech going round in my head a little know but can anyone answer these questions for me?


1. If i go r-tech for stage2 and i want 2+ at a later date for the hpfp map what will i be charged?

2. What power do r-tech stage2 ed30 usually make? 330-340?

3. Any info on these map extras?

Linear DBW Throttle mapping
Rapid Shot RPM limiter cutting

4. I also see there is an extra for launch control being mapped into the car is this for manual cars also?

Thanks

Why not just Pm Rtech nick on here and ask?.. I'm changing to Rtech on april 11th with one of his custom TIV remaps.

Knowing from what I know about Nick and the team is that he's a very reasonable guy and will do the upmost to help you.

We are hopefully setting my car to 310bhp and 310lb ft at stage 2 along with a stage 1 remap for the DSG.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 19, 2013, 03:37:04 pm
i just gave him an email but though would see if anyone on here had any inputs

why only 310 at stage 2?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 19, 2013, 03:47:01 pm
Cos if it's anything like the pm I sent him, he won't respond... Obviously far to busy working his magic... I'd call him to discuss, like I'm going to do if/when the time comes to go from Revo...
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 19, 2013, 03:50:09 pm
Cos if it's anything like the pm I sent him, he won't respond... Obviously far to busy working his magic... I'd call him to discuss, like I'm going to do if/when the time comes to go from Revo...

any reason your thinking of changing mate?.. i loved the way my 2+ s3 drove so its going to be a hard one for me if i do get talked into r-tech
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 19, 2013, 04:00:55 pm
Not sure if I am yet... am waiting on other peoples experiences first... Revo doesn't give the figures you expect, though never had a problem and drive very well... R-Tech achieves higher figures but can't gauge how they drive etc... But Niki comes VERY highly regarded from many various people so would like to see what he can do with the hardware i have...
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on March 19, 2013, 04:28:07 pm
Not sure if I am yet... am waiting on other peoples experiences first... Revo doesn't give the figures you expect, though never had a problem and drive very well... R-Tech achieves higher figures but can't gauge how they drive etc... But Niki comes VERY highly regarded from many various people so would like to see what he can do with the hardware i have...

On the same dyno??
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 19, 2013, 04:44:11 pm
Not sure if I am yet... am waiting on other peoples experiences first... Revo doesn't give the figures you expect, though never had a problem and drive very well... R-Tech achieves higher figures but can't gauge how they drive etc... But Niki comes VERY highly regarded from many various people so would like to see what he can do with the hardware i have...

On the same dyno??

Who knows! :laugh:

Maybe Revo should quote fwhp!? In fact...
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 19, 2013, 06:42:40 pm
Nick sets your car up to be the best drive it can be, it's not all about peak figures  :happy2:

You can get linear throttle and hard limiter etc also  :wink:

Similar peak figures between all the brands / tuners as its within the limits of the cars hardware. A custom map should in theory produce a few more horses as its tailored EXACTLY to your car / mods. A generic map is designed to work well with all hardware types so will always be a small compromise  :smiley:

All I can say is Nick won't let you go until your happy , can't say fairer than that  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on March 19, 2013, 07:18:38 pm
Not sure if I am yet... am waiting on other peoples experiences first... Revo doesn't give the figures you expect, though never had a problem and drive very well... R-Tech achieves higher figures but can't gauge how they drive etc... But Niki comes VERY highly regarded from many various people so would like to see what he can do with the hardware i have...

On the same dyno??

i will be rich..to proove the doubting few . i will run obviously at R tech and either Surrey RR or JKM.

I will post up after Phylis is done. :wink:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Cupra R on March 19, 2013, 08:00:34 pm
What exactly is this Rapid Shot or Hard Limiter RTech are offering?

Launch control could be pretty handy too.

Hmmm.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 19, 2013, 08:26:11 pm
What exactly is this Rapid Shot or Hard Limiter RTech are offering?

Launch control could be pretty handy too.

Hmmm.

IIRC James has a 1st gear limiter at something like 1500rpm so basically dump the clutch in first and shift straight into second for best launch.

Hard limiter holds the revs I think, rapid shot is where it bounces (best check with Nicki though  :happy2:)
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Cupra R on March 19, 2013, 08:30:24 pm
What exactly is this Rapid Shot or Hard Limiter RTech are offering?

Launch control could be pretty handy too.

Hmmm.

IIRC James has a 1st gear limiter at something like 1500rpm so basically dump the clutch in first and shift straight into second for best launch.

Hard limiter holds the revs I think, rapid shot is where it bounces (best check with Nicki though  :happy2:)

Thanks mate  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on March 20, 2013, 08:41:24 am
Not sure if I am yet... am waiting on other peoples experiences first... Revo doesn't give the figures you expect, though never had a problem and drive very well... R-Tech achieves higher figures but can't gauge how they drive etc... But Niki comes VERY highly regarded from many various people so would like to see what he can do with the hardware i have...

On the same dyno??

i will be rich..to proove the doubting few . i will run obviously at R tech and either Surrey RR or JKM.

I will post up after Phylis is done. :wink:

I wasn't referring to yours. You don't hàve revo. ;-)

I'm certain that yours will be a night and day difference
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: 55golf on March 20, 2013, 09:02:27 am
You can't go wrong with r tech, it's a custom map they do so better than revo. I'm running stage 2 which is 321bhp and 343lbs. I'm going back there in 10days for stage 2+ so I will post the results from that when I go
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 20, 2013, 11:11:39 am
are you being charged the full £££ for going from 2 to 2+ with him?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: 55golf on March 20, 2013, 11:31:45 am
Yes I'm getting charged to go stage 2 + . But what I will pay overall is stil nearly half the price of what revo would charge. That also includes a dsg remap
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 20, 2013, 11:35:45 am
hmm from looking at there website for me to go to 2 and then 2+

all in it would cost me £1060 if he does charge twice? says if you already have an r-tech map on his website you get £100 off
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Simon_2.0t on March 20, 2013, 11:39:22 am
Having had my Mk4 mapped by R-Tech I definitely know where I'm taking my Mk5.

Over the years I've been into cars, had most companies work on my cars. Nick at R-Tech is without doubt the best, not only are his maps superb he has customer service down to a tee. Treats each car as his own, and doesn't just wack a map on and forget.

Can't wait to get mine done.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: 55golf on March 20, 2013, 11:47:05 am
Give nick a ring and I'm sure he will sort you out
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 20, 2013, 12:07:29 pm
Give nick a ring and I'm sure he will sort you out

X2

Dont just add up all the website prices  :wink:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 20, 2013, 04:19:18 pm
Why I'm looking at R-Tech...

Stage 2+ over Stage 2.... (Only difference is the addition between the two is S3 Alloy Intercooler and Revo Stage 2+ revised Map)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv108%2Fax_vts_dom%2FPowerGraphs_zps8f6e33ed.jpg&hash=37fb37fb5f9ea5d10c1b7973ea71e8844e802ef4)
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 20, 2013, 04:45:44 pm
@Dom - if you really want a big increase, get a WMI kit and Nick to map to it. 400bhp and 450lbft are possible with stock K04. Bang for buck it's well worth it  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: bigmig95 on March 20, 2013, 05:03:32 pm
Power curves aside I'd go R-Tech.  My car is currently Revo mapped and I've been through customer services at Revo in Daventry with a query about my car. I did assume that my vehicle registration would have sufficed with traceability their end.  They bounced mails back with, "what engine is it?", "when did you get it mapped?" I would have thought they could tell me those details from my registration !!.

Strikes me as very amateurish considering the cost of the map, left me completely unimpressed. Rant over, go see R-Tech they might keep better records  :laugh:

I am happy with the my Revo map though.  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 20, 2013, 05:32:59 pm
@Dom - if you really want a big increase, get a WMI kit and Nick to map to it. 400bhp and 450lbft are possible with stock K04. Bang for buck it's well worth it  :happy2:

I look forward to ringing SKY Insurance with that one... :signLOL:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on March 21, 2013, 07:39:21 am
Dom if your making a booking you have to call and leave a voicemail, or email the workshop  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: E30Dom on March 21, 2013, 10:07:01 am
It won;t be till later in the year... All suspension mods being done next Wednesday.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on March 23, 2013, 06:59:13 pm
Spoke to r-tech and i have decided to go revo  :smiley:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: bigeyd on March 23, 2013, 07:02:02 pm
Spoke to r-tech and i have decided to go revo  :smiley:
I already had an r-tech map (on the car from previous owner) but seeing as I had use revo before I opted to have it overwritten,I love it and am sure you will.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on March 23, 2013, 07:39:08 pm
My hotel is booked for my trip to Rtech
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on March 23, 2013, 07:39:59 pm
Hotel? Isnt it been done it 1 day?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on March 23, 2013, 07:49:42 pm
Yes rich. 9am start so need to be their early,  so gonna kip overnight at premier Inn..Got a look after my back
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: R-tech-Nick on April 07, 2013, 11:13:02 am
i know its probaly been covered a 100 times but wow im finding it hard to decide  :scared:

I had revo on my old 8p s3 stage 1 and then went to 2+ at a later date and it was very nice  :happy2:

i got r-tech going round in my head a little know but can anyone answer these questions for me?


1. If i go r-tech for stage2 and i want 2+ at a later date for the hpfp map what will i be charged?

2. What power do r-tech stage2 ed30 usually make? 330-340?

3. Any info on these map extras?

Linear DBW Throttle mapping
Rapid Shot RPM limiter cutting

4. I also see there is an extra for launch control being mapped into the car is this for manual cars also?

Thanks


All our work is custome to each car and setup so we don't quote peak Bhp numbers over the phone as the power is down to the quality of the hardware setup, the mapping is not the limiting factor.    Bolt a leaky forge dv spacer plate on the setup and that's 20bhp gone. 

You will find many tuners happy to real number off to you over the phone during a quote, but we won't.   We will advice you the best way to setup up your hardware the most cost effective way to make the very best power.    Bolting on branded parts don't yield the best results and aiming for a woosh noise from a dv will not get u any extra power, it will give an adverse effect.

I would love to have told u over the phone you will drive away with 330-340bhp... But it's never that easy.


As for map upgrades.   If a customer pays £290 for a stage 1 custom map then they will get £145 off the custom Stage+.    Ie half of your original remap price is the discount amount on the next custom map.

As for map add on a true 1:1 linear throttle map, which we are still the only uk tuner who can provide this, will be free with the custom mapping.     Launch control can be added but only certain software versions at the moment can have the manual launch control options along within NLS.


At r-tech we are all about tuning quality and not the glossy sales approach.    I  am sure if a have a team of 5 dedicated sales staff telling potential customers what they "want" to here then I would be a very very rich man by now.  I could easy expand r-tech to compete like this as I have had major investment offers...   But would it be the best for the customer??  Would our feedback stay as good as it is when my only worry is sales targets???   I don't think so.     
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: warby on April 07, 2013, 03:09:30 pm
If I was on the mainland I'd be straight down to r-tech. However seeing as it will cost me about £400 to get there and 2 days off work minimum ill have to get the local superchips dealer on the job when the time comes. R-tech were going to do my mk4 v6 4motion before it went bang.

I'm even running a generic chip in the drift car because of the logistical nightmares involved with getting it mapped and I'm massively down on power for my spec.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on April 07, 2013, 03:27:05 pm
Be good to see some R-Tech cars run at Pod at some point (especially Stage 2+ ones). I know Nick and his customers often run there, but most of them are Mk4's and mental project cars..

Nick - Have any of your customers run a Stage 2+ Ed30 DSG there yet? If so, what sort of results were they achieving?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Craigh1983 on April 07, 2013, 03:33:27 pm
I'm looking to have stage 1 done by r-tech very soon. Would this be ok to do on a car with 110000 miles on the clock?

I actually don't know anything about remaps and I know they are custom maps at r-tech so what options would I have? Is there a kind of standard one because I have no idea of what i'd be looking to achieve? All I know is that I want to car to be faster than it is now lol
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 07, 2013, 03:45:29 pm
As for map add on a true 1:1 linear throttle map, which we are still the only uk tuner who can provide this, will be free with the custom mapping.    


pretty sure Jabbasport, APR, REVO and Shark all offer 1:1 throttle mapping as well.

Theres certainly guys who have had the map applied on here, but i guess its something to do with that post stating a TRUE 1:1 throttle
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Bignod00 on April 07, 2013, 04:03:15 pm
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 05:52:52 pm
Be good to see some R-Tech cars run at Pod at some point (especially Stage 2+ ones). I know Nick and his customers often run there, but most of them are Mk4's and mental project cars..

Nick - Have any of your customers run a Stage 2+ Ed30 DSG there yet? If so, what sort of results were they achieving?

I'm there at R tech this Thursday for some mapping goodies so will give feedback on how Phylis gets on.

Staying stage 2 though, not +
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on April 07, 2013, 07:08:53 pm
Come on Steve, get some kahunas and go Stage 2+, I dare ya?  :party: :party: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 07:15:54 pm
Come on Steve, get some kahunas and go Stage 2+, I dare ya?  :party: :party: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:

Too many + cars going pop with fuel cam follower issues mate for my liking..

Im happy at stage 2
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on April 07, 2013, 07:19:05 pm
How many have gone now mate?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Bignod00 on April 07, 2013, 07:21:58 pm
How many have gone now mate?
Noticing a few more recently mate but tend to be ones that are getting towards higher miles without having their followers checked/changed. :scared:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on April 07, 2013, 07:29:34 pm
85,000 on mine without any issue (and about the same number of 1/4 mile runs too  :signLOL:).. Anyone who goes Stage 2+ without checking and changing there cam follower deserves to get a big bill. Especially when high mileage..  :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Bignod00 on April 07, 2013, 07:32:04 pm
85,000 on mine without any issue (and about the same number of 1/4 mile runs too  :signLOL:).. Anyone who goes Stage 2+ without checking and changing there cam follower deserves to get a big bill. Especially when high mileage..  :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
Totally agree mate! :congrats: Also about the number of 1/4 mile runs too! :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 07, 2013, 07:33:34 pm
I dont recall any car going pop on stage 2+
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 07, 2013, 07:39:53 pm
ive read of a fair few people saying they know of stage 2+  going pop, but ive never read a post first hand about it though.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 08:29:23 pm
Not the sort of thing you'd post about on a forum ..some users opted to keeping quiet and not telling the world.

I read of 2 on Facebook within the past week.

All aftermarket pumps and follower failures. NeilM's went ages ago on a track day.. These things are not built to take long abuse so I don't wanna run the risk of having a Major repair bill. Not worth it for just another 30bhp on a front wheel drive car.Especially something I would like to keep for many years without straining its bolts off so to speak.
Yes I know mines tuned, but hopefully this custom set up is better suited to my car for the long term.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Hedge on April 07, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
Even standard cars have eaten the cam follower.  :confused:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 07, 2013, 08:38:01 pm
Not the sort of thing you'd post about on a forum ..some users opted to keeping quiet and not telling the world.

I read of 2 on Facebook within the past week.

All aftermarket pumps and follower failures. NeilM's went ages ago on a track day.. These things are not built to take long abuse so I don't wanna run the risk of having a Major repair bill. Not worth it for just another 30bhp on a front wheel drive car.Especially something I would like to keep for many years without straining its bolts off so to speak.
Yes I know mines tuned, but hopefully this custom set up is better suited to my car for the long term.


You only do 5 miles a year.......  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Hedge on April 07, 2013, 08:38:54 pm
 :signLOL:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 08:40:20 pm
Not the sort of thing you'd post about on a forum ..some users opted to keeping quiet and not telling the world.

I read of 2 on Facebook within the past week.

All aftermarket pumps and follower failures. NeilM's went ages ago on a track day.. These things are not built to take long abuse so I don't wanna run the risk of having a Major repair bill. Not worth it for just another 30bhp on a front wheel drive car.Especially something I would like to keep for many years without straining its bolts off so to speak.
Yes I know mines tuned, but hopefully this custom set up is better suited to my car for the long term.


You only do 5 miles a year.......  :popcornsoda:

Yes, gonna do 10 more Wednesday from Southampton to Hinkley.R tech  :laugh:

Will i need some what I think call Super unleaded petrol Rich?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 08:40:59 pm
Even standard cars have eaten the cam follower.  :confused:

Yes, changed mine last millenium too  :wink:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 07, 2013, 08:42:05 pm
Not the sort of thing you'd post about on a forum ..some users opted to keeping quiet and not telling the world.

I read of 2 on Facebook within the past week.

All aftermarket pumps and follower failures. NeilM's went ages ago on a track day.. These things are not built to take long abuse so I don't wanna run the risk of having a Major repair bill. Not worth it for just another 30bhp on a front wheel drive car.Especially something I would like to keep for many years without straining its bolts off so to speak.
Yes I know mines tuned, but hopefully this custom set up is better suited to my car for the long term.


You only do 5 miles a year.......  :popcornsoda:

Yes, gonna do 10 more Wednesday from Southampton to Hinkley.R tech  :laugh:

Will i need some what I think call Super unleaded petrol Rich?

Possibly!
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 07, 2013, 08:44:43 pm
Not the sort of thing you'd post about on a forum ..some users opted to keeping quiet and not telling the world.

I read of 2 on Facebook within the past week.

All aftermarket pumps and follower failures. NeilM's went ages ago on a track day.. These things are not built to take long abuse so I don't wanna run the risk of having a Major repair bill. Not worth it for just another 30bhp on a front wheel drive car.Especially something I would like to keep for many years without straining its bolts off so to speak.
Yes I know mines tuned, but hopefully this custom set up is better suited to my car for the long term.


You only do 5 miles a year.......  :popcornsoda:

Yes, gonna do 10 more Wednesday from Southampton to Hinkley.R tech  :laugh:

Will i need some what I think call Super unleaded petrol Rich?

Possibly!

Or I could use the Hyundai i10 as a tow car to save on fuel perhaps :innocent:

Least Phylis won't go bang on route up :signLOL:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 08, 2013, 11:02:32 am
Why the change from Bluefin to R-TEC?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Saintsteve on April 08, 2013, 12:08:09 pm
Why the change from Bluefin to R-TEC?

The offer was too good to turn down. Like the sound of RTech's TIV mapping, along with a DSG remap to suit their own Custom Setup, and rolling road to fine tune it, with logging after to check it over.
Superchips don't offer Dsg remaps, and I was never considering Revo due to the Cost jump which is staggering for a map that can be played with on a switch , which I don't see the point, as each and every members cars seem to be different, and I couldn't be asked messing around with dial mucking it up   :chicken: but that's just how I see it   :grin:
It will be good to compare both setups side by side, so watch for graph comparisons later this week.

From what I've read and seen, this will match if not better what Revo's map will give, but the aim is a car with very drive able power and torque, and not chasing high figures...
Smooth curves are the way foward  :drinking:

But saying that, Superchips map now I've finally got it set on the car at stage 2, is going great, but we shall see what happens if RTechs map comes up trumping it.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 08, 2013, 12:54:11 pm
Cant argue with that reasoning.

I must admit, R-TEC look really promising and one of the few companies id allow to do my mapping.  
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: beetie on April 08, 2013, 06:08:18 pm
Be good to see some R-Tech cars run at Pod at some point (especially Stage 2+ ones). I know Nick and his customers often run there, but most of them are Mk4's and mental project cars..

Nick - Have any of your customers run a Stage 2+ Ed30 DSG there yet? If so, what sort of results were they achieving?

I keep meaning to get my stage 2+ ed30 done but I'm not DSG. Live only a few miles away aswell :ashamed:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rtechniki on April 08, 2013, 08:24:25 pm
As for map add on a true 1:1 linear throttle map, which we are still the only uk tuner who can provide this, will be free with the custom mapping.    


pretty sure Jabbasport, APR, REVO and Shark all offer 1:1 throttle mapping as well.

Theres certainly guys who have had the map applied on here, but i guess its something to do with that post stating a TRUE 1:1 throttle


Not 100% 1:1 ratio  linear   :wink:   The ones i have drove still offer that placebo DBW input down low giving a on/off feel still at certain rpm ranges. DSG cars respond best to 100% linear mapping.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rtechniki on April 08, 2013, 08:48:09 pm
Be good to see some R-Tech cars run at Pod at some point (especially Stage 2+ ones). I know Nick and his customers often run there, but most of them are Mk4's and mental project cars..

Nick - Have any of your customers run a Stage 2+ Ed30 DSG there yet? If so, what sort of results were they achieving?

Fingers crossed there will be a few running this year at pod and inters, I had a customer run a ED30 stage1 precat removed and DSG map which was in mid 13s.  I cannot remember exact time, but it was at last years http://www.xfest.co.uk/index.php in which my mate won fastest in class and managed to get a free passanger ride in a 2 seat drag car... lucky bas!!  He runs the scooter mag which sponsors the event.   

Had a stage2+ ed30 DSG run a pod but with never had clean runs and managed 13.1-13.2s 106-109mph, most my other stage2+ customers ran at GTI inters and manged to get sh*t times but manged to wheel spin most of the 1/4..

infact found the link to my old  post.   http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9244.msg511874.html#msg511874

Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 08, 2013, 08:48:21 pm
Not 100% 1:1 ratio  linear   :wink:

So the only way you would know that is if you have been spying at their maps  :wink:  :innocent:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rtechniki on April 08, 2013, 08:56:59 pm
Just driving up the road, I can feel for the throttle ped mapping.  I had a member from here pop in last week fro a chat with his ed30 dsg stage2+ wmi  x tuners map with linear throttle, and the first thing I noticed was the map was only linear over x rpm and x load that was after a 5 mins test drive.  The lower rpm ranges it still felt like 30-40% at 10% pedal.  But some  like it like this it makes the drive a little lazy and eaiser to pull off junctions.

Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rtechniki on April 08, 2013, 08:58:07 pm
Not 100% 1:1 ratio  linear   :wink:

So the only way you would know that is if you have been spying at their maps  :wink:  :innocent:

If your good at cracking encyptions then we can have a nose....  lol
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: PDT on April 08, 2013, 10:29:16 pm
Logging TPP (throttle pedal position) vs ATP (actual throttle position) will also allow a comparison to see if its a direct linear ratio.

Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 08, 2013, 10:39:13 pm
Logging TPP (throttle pedal position) vs ATP (actual throttle position) will also allow a comparison to see if its a direct linear ratio.



What block is that on?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 08, 2013, 10:40:53 pm
Logging TPP (throttle pedal position) vs ATP (actual throttle position) will also allow a comparison to see if its a direct linear ratio.


:happy2:

Id be keen to see what the actual ratio the likes of REVO/Shark/APR/Jabba are delivering with their linear maps then if its not a 1:1

Whats the stock ratio?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 08, 2013, 10:41:23 pm
Ill go and check mine now... need the block number though
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Hedge on April 08, 2013, 11:06:10 pm
I'm sure a man of your calibre can find it Rich.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 08, 2013, 11:07:35 pm
Theres 100 items with throttle in the description..... 

Why dont they have a search function!!  :fighting:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on April 09, 2013, 11:46:53 am
Be good to see some R-Tech cars run at Pod at some point (especially Stage 2+ ones). I know Nick and his customers often run there, but most of them are Mk4's and mental project cars..

Nick - Have any of your customers run a Stage 2+ Ed30 DSG there yet? If so, what sort of results were they achieving?

Fingers crossed there will be a few running this year at pod and inters, I had a customer run a ED30 stage1 precat removed and DSG map which was in mid 13s.  I cannot remember exact time, but it was at last years http://www.xfest.co.uk/index.php in which my mate won fastest in class and managed to get a free passanger ride in a 2 seat drag car... lucky bas!!  He runs the scooter mag which sponsors the event.   

Had a stage2+ ed30 DSG run a pod but with never had clean runs and managed 13.1-13.2s 106-109mph, most my other stage2+ customers ran at GTI inters and manged to get sh*t times but manged to wheel spin most of the 1/4..

infact found the link to my old  post.   http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9244.msg511874.html#msg511874



Hopefully there will be a few running this year @ Pod then.. Be interesting to see what they achieve (especially terminal speed, which normally reflects more on the car's power).

106-109mph is some way off Revo's though, that's Stage 1/2 terriotory...  :confused: Most DSG Stage 2+ cars normally achieve somewhere in the region of 112-114mph. Like you say though, that's only one car that has run..
Are there any R-tech cars going to Spring Fest?
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 09, 2013, 11:53:39 am
I know someone who will be running a decatted stage 2 R-tech with DSG map.  :happy2:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: tony_danza on April 09, 2013, 11:57:05 am
If I had a pound for every time I've seen a tuner claim their cars are going to break land speed records on the 1/4, only to spectacularly fail with a list of excuses as long as my arm......

REVO deliver what they claim, I don't think anyone was ever proven otherwise? When you map thousands of cars, I think it's fairly easy to give a mean average as a sales pitch.

I've no doubt Nick puts a lot of hard work and expertise into his maps, and they deliver what he claims too. To have them perform is the ultimate test and I look forward to seeing them do so - however I think his reply inferring 'other' tuners are XYZ lacks a little class. Concentrate on your own business, never rubbish another's.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 09, 2013, 12:01:22 pm
Ill be running mine again...14.14 last year with a boot full of gear.

Will be interesting to see if the 22bhp peak gain with the evoms makes much difference to the time
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: R-tech-Nick on April 09, 2013, 12:34:19 pm
If I had a pound for every time I've seen a tuner claim their cars are going to break land speed records on the 1/4, only to spectacularly fail with a list of excuses as long as my arm......

REVO deliver what they claim, I don't think anyone was ever proven otherwise? When you map thousands of cars, I think it's fairly easy to give a mean average as a sales pitch.

I've no doubt Nick puts a lot of hard work and expertise into his maps, and they deliver what he claims too. To have them perform is the ultimate test and I look forward to seeing them do so - however I think his reply inferring 'other' tuners are XYZ lacks a little class. Concentrate on your own business, never rubbish another's.

Not rubbishing, anyone if you read my posts.  I was the first tuner in the UK of offer and promote linear throttle mapping many moons back, before any other company mentioned or promoted it.  But since then lots of companies have done there versions of a linear thottle map,  but non are 1:1 ratio like the original setup we started doing.    I am point it out that our linear map is nothing like what other tuners are selling as linear.  To me linear means linear 1:1 progression.

stock KFPED maps are like 44% throttle at 2000rpm = around 65-77% load demand

1:1 linear KFPED which I offer will be  44% throttle = 44% load request at all rpms

Others I have drove seem still have the stock kfped requests low down and only above 2700-3000rpm them seem to go linear.


If i have a unique style over others I think I am allowed to promote the fact,  same with the TIV mapping we offer we are the only tuner offering this map add on in the world, but it wont be long before others try there own version and try to call it TIV mapping.  But lucky for me I have a letter from the Interllectual property office with the word TIV as a trade mark to me.  This should stop the confusion when others try to do there versions of the TIV mapping.

All R-Tech maps are wrote unique to how the customer wants them, back on 2009 the issues and gripe with customer was the throttle was like an on off switch and could we fix it?  same last year with the TIV mapping a customer pointing out an issue and I spent a few months working on a solution, which I now call TIV and add it to all of my customers maps.   Aech day new mapping methods are being found from when we are LIVE emulation real time mapping on the dyno, these finding and methods get added to our base maps at least once a week.     

To me it all about the fun, passion and progression not the promotion or sales.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: R-tech-Nick on April 09, 2013, 01:11:46 pm
Ill be running mine again...14.14 last year with a boot full of gear.

Will be interesting to see if the 22bhp peak gain with the evoms makes much difference to the time


We have our own paddock area this year at Pod, Speak to Myles he will sort you out parking if you want.   :smiley:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: rich83 on April 09, 2013, 01:13:53 pm
Ill come and say hello.... going up with a load of the chaps on mk4s forum I think.
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: tony_danza on April 09, 2013, 01:19:43 pm
I had linear throttle on my MK5 in 2008, I asked REVO to do it and they did. How linear is was I don't know, but I know it worked and it was exactly how I expected it to be.

It's thread is the OP asking for a 'you v REVO' comparison, so any comments you make about sales tactics, quoting bluff figures, blah blah blah can only be assumed to be your opinion of REVO? Sorry, that's how it reads to me. I'd say the same if it was APR or anyone else...
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: Hedge on April 09, 2013, 01:28:25 pm
I thought R-Tech were Revo dealers.

The R-Tech website claims they are yet the Revotechnik one doesn't.  :confused:
Title: Re: R-Tech Hmmm Revo???
Post by: R-tech-Nick on April 09, 2013, 01:39:17 pm
I thought R-Tech were Revo dealers.

The R-Tech website claims they are yet the Revotechnik one doesn't.  :confused:

We was approached by and became a Revo dealer so we could offer a maps for the new gen ecu which we are not working on, the MED17 and EDC17 stuff.      R-Tech are M3.8 ME7 ME7.5 and MED9 tuners, we are not looking to start mapping the new stuff until another 7-8 years times.