MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Luke383 on March 20, 2013, 12:33:08 am
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Past 80k miles now? There are going to be many more in the near future if they don't get to checking those cam followers often after 75k miles. Most c/f's are gone at or about 100k miles +/- 20k miles. We (in the US) had a warranty extension for the ones with the earlier version A-cam, but we are seeing increasingly more and more c/f break downs as well. It's too bad they didn't include this in a known service interval as it is going to be surprising tens-of-thousands here very soon. It really sucks...too bad ;(
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So now you need a rail hpfp, c/f, and intake cam...dammit...and a good sump clean out.
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Hi, Yeah it's on 86000. Ive Only had the car since November last year & Took the car for a cambelt & water pump change yesterday & this is what the garage found. I've read lots of posts about this happening & apparently there are signs, but being a novice I didn't really have any idea apart from the diesel like noise (which I was told is quite normal) & a sudden loss of power intermittently but thought that could've been down to a boost leak. Only sold my mk2 a week ago so the funds for that are now going on a repair :sick:
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Dude, you are not going to be alone in this. VW had better get to making loads and loads of pumps, followers, and intake cams. Because they are about to be hit with another "known to be unreliable" era. Too bad too. I think they have sold over 300k GTI's.
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I'm new to golf Gti's. only owned mine for 2 weeks. I've read up about diverter valves etc. what's this cam follower fault??
My car has done 65k miles. Is it something that needs changed before it breaks properly?? How much to sort it??
Cheers
Neil
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It's a £20 part and 30 minutes labour. Pretty simple to do yourself if you're reasonably competent around an engine.
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Going by that picture you have an early 'A' camshaft. Would have happened one way or another.
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I'm new to golf Gti's. only owned mine for 2 weeks. I've read up about diverter valves etc. what's this cam follower fault??
My car has done 65k miles. Is it something that needs changed before it breaks properly?? How much to sort it??
Cheers
Neil
I have some diy vids. The cam follower is a part inside, or between the intake cam's fuel lobe and the hpfp(high pressure fuel pump) that gets fully compressed 3 times per revolution...only here in the US the warranty was extended to 120k miles or 10 years for pre mid '07 GTI's with an A-version intake cam because they were failing sometimes before 40k miles. Everywhere and everyone else is going to need to check their cam followers. There is no notice in the service schedule and your VW-tech is not going to mention it to you during a scheduled service at any time. Commonly, most cam followers are failing between 80k and 120k miles. This destroys, not only the inexpensive cam follower but, the hpfp and intake cam. Repairs will cost upwards of 1200gbp. Some here are paying from $2200 to $2600usd for this repair. If you have the banjo bolt on the high pressure side, under and left on the hpfp, you may look into converting it to a barb-outlet. My video only shows a barb fitting:
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Going by that picture you have an early 'A' camshaft. Would have happened one way or another.
True...true ;(
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I have a diesel type noise and occasional loss of power/juddering. Is this an issue? It's on 102k. How do I check this 'cam follower'?
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I have a diesel type noise and occasional loss of power/juddering. Is this an issue? It's on 102k. How do I check this 'cam follower'?
I have a link to my diy vid about two posts up... ;p
If any part of the black DLC(diamond like coating) is missing...put in a new cam follower and recheck when you near this present mileage times two.
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Very worrying as my miles are creeping up but no issues with my ED30 yet.
I have always extended my VW warranty, would this be covered under that should this happen?
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Very worrying as my miles are creeping up but no issues with my ED30 yet.
I have always extended my VW warranty, would this be covered under that should this happen?
I would get official confirmation on that..
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I watched the video, it looks easy enough to do, but I don't want to go messing around with my fuel pump. I'm no mechanic. Could this be causing the diesel type noise? I dunno. I'm actually worried about this...
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I watched the video, it looks easy enough to do, but I don't want to go messing around with my fuel pump. I'm no mechanic. Could this be causing the diesel type noise? I dunno. I'm actually worried about this...
It's as easy as it looks...the toughest thing can be unplugging the wiring ;)
Some have reported the noise, yes. The worst thing about this failure is that you never get a warning by the CEL's until it is too late...way too late ;(
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Might add this to my list of maintenance parts.
Part number: 06D 109 309C (circa £35)
People recommend changing the o-ring seal too? P/N 06E 127 248
Si
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Yeah, you are already there, right? VW should've included this in the service intervals...IDK why not. Include it in your routine like at 50k, 60k, or 70k miles.
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After earlier posts about this issue, I changed mine on my Ed30. Its not a high mileage car, but for £30 or so its a no briner to swap. Mine was just starting to show signs of the black coating wearing.
After swapping it the engine is noticeably quieter.
For a 15 min, super easy job to swap *, its a no brainer to put your mind at ease. And remember, its not mileage its the number of revs the engine has done that wears the part.
*I wouldn't be bothered swapping the O ring, its £16 + VAT!
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After earlier posts about this issue, I changed mine on my Ed30. Its not a high mileage car, but for £30 or so its a no briner to swap. Mine was just starting to show signs of the black coating wearing.
After swapping it the engine is noticeably quieter.
For a 15 min, super easy job to swap *, its a no brainer to put your mind at ease. And remember, its not mileage its the number of revs the engine has done that wears the part.
*I wouldn't be bothered swapping the O ring, its £16 + VAT!
Alright, when I get paid at the end of the month, I will order one. I've had the car a month and I've already swapped the DV, got the PCV to go on this weekend and now a cam-follower. So much for “the car got everything it needed from the previous owner” spiel I was told from the garage.
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Cheers guys, I'll just order the cam follower up then.
Mine is a Sept 2005 model, just about to click round to 90K. So for the money will do it. Going to get a DV too, the revised G part number one.
Si
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Think I will include this in with my next service :happy2:
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Excuse the ignorance...is this something that is required on a 2.0 tdi?
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Might add this to my list of maintenance parts.
Part number: 06D 109 309C (circa £35)
People recommend changing the o-ring seal too? P/N 06E 127 248
Si
I've changed quite a few of these now and it really is simple.
Stupid question alert...........What is this o-ring seal/where is it? :ashamed:
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Going to change mine the weekend.. what are the symptoms??
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Might add this to my list of maintenance parts.
Part number: 06D 109 309C (circa £35)
People recommend changing the o-ring seal too? P/N 06E 127 248
Si
I've changed quite a few of these now and it really is simple.
Stupid question alert...........What is this o-ring seal/where is it? :ashamed:
Its the seal in this pics mate, but by the sounds of it people say don't need to replace.
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Thats correct re the seal. As long as you are reasonably careful the O ring should be fine - there's no high pressure oil around anyway there AFAIK, the folower is lubed by spray and mist from the cam area.
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If I am going ahead and replacing it, where can I get some engine lubrication from?
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Excuse the ignorance...is this something that is required on a 2.0 tdi?
This was asked a while back. Answer is no, Diesel engines have very different fuelling systems to TFSI's so dont worry :happy2:
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Guys is thus the part number for my car its a 2005 gti
With 80k on the clock
Part number: 06D 109 309C (circa £35)
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That's the one !
Just picked a follower up today for £28.39 from my local dealers, changing it at the weekend on my '55 plate with 94k miles. Fingers crossed it's all ok, there's no evidence of it being changed before.........
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If I am going ahead and replacing it, where can I get some engine lubrication from?
Out of a can of oil?
???????????? :scared:
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That's the one !
Just picked a follower up today for £28.39 from my local dealers, changing it at the weekend on my '55 plate with 94k miles. Fingers crossed it's all ok, there's no evidence of it being changed before.........
I'm in the same boat mate, let us know how it goes :happy2:
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If I am going ahead and replacing it, where can I get some engine lubrication from?
Coat the c/f with any lube...yes, like oil...I just prefer to use assy. lube, but not required.
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^^^^^ Funny Guy ^^^^^
:signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
:congrats: :congrats:
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That's the one !
Just picked a follower up today for £28.39 from my local dealers, changing it at the weekend on my '55 plate with 94k miles. Fingers crossed it's all ok, there's no evidence of it being changed before.........
I'm in the same boat mate, let us know how it goes :happy2:
Will do, the car had a bit of a wobbler the other day though, after a long run it started to rattle on idle and was missing heavily and I was over in the Lakes at the time !
300 miles later it's never faltered so who knows....
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Ordered mine today fitting it Sunday :drinking:
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If I am going ahead and replacing it, where can I get some engine lubrication from?
Out of a can of oil?
???????????? :scared:
Bloody hell... I feel like a right dumbass now. Haha :ashamed:
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BTW...posted this on the official VW website's contact and comments:
We, your loyal customers, are getting fed up with the rail pump cam follower failings. Why there was not a revision to the scheduled services is beyond me. Why none of the service representatives are advising the need for this service...again, beyond me. How certified used vehicles are leaving lots only for this part to fail without any sort of warranty...beyond me again. How you expect customer loyalty with all of this hurting everyone of your 2.0t FSI owners...so far beyond me. Why I am having to warn everyone I can on as many forums as I can...ridiculous. If they only had known a $50usd part could've saved them thousands of dollars..priceless. Do something about this...stand up for what is wrongly put upon us.
Feel free to join in with your own thoughts:
http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/contacts/contact_confirmation.html
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If I am going ahead and replacing it, where can I get some engine lubrication from?
Out of a can of oil?
???????????? :scared:
Bloody hell... I feel like a right dumbass now. Haha :ashamed:
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Changed mine today took a very short time my car has covered 80495 miles
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Just wish I knew about this! Still need to let off steam :fighting:
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VW's response to my email:
Volkswagen stands behind our products through both our original warranty, and additional campaigns such as extended warranties, service actions, and recalls.
I apologize for any concerns you have run into related to the cam follower in your vehicle.
Many vehicles were given an extended warranty for issues relating to the intake camshaft, camshaft follower, and high pressure fuel pump. If you provide me more information about your vehicle, such as the model, model year, and VIN, I would be happy to determine if this extended warranty has affected your vehicle.
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My reply to their's:
Dear Mr. A., Tim
I received this letter after my cam follower had already failed years ago. And, I believe you when you say "Volkswagen stands behind our products through both our original warranty, and additional campaigns such as extended warranties, service actions, and recalls" in response to my original suggestion. I know that VW does...the issue isn't that you don't stand behind all of what has been said, but that there is still an issue with this being an ongoing failure for many that do have the B-version, or other version not being an A-version, intake cam.
The issue is:
The cam follower in the hpfp is wearing out for many with mileages of 80k to 120k miles. I've been on nearly a dozen forums for six years and recently there are many new and original owners having to deal with the inconvenience of replacing their rail pump(hpfp) and intake cam due to a $50usd part not included in your service intervals and not being mentioned by service representatives. People have left from having it serviced only to find themselves back within days or weeks due to a failed cam follower that VW is handling like a "US Government cover-up", so to speak.
As I said in my first message, I wrote something like "why this is not included in the service interval, or at least by now, why hasn't there been an amendment to the service intervals sent out to all known owners" and "why service rep's aren't advising this" as well is beyond me. You all have seemed to believe in the determination that there is no problem with the cam follower now that you all have publicly notified the world of a poor A-version cam. The hundreds of thousands of forum visitors are reading my messages to you and agree that VW is going to ignore this and shame on them if they do. When I wrote "stand behind this" in my first message to VW, I meant at least have service rep's have to mention it at certain mileages and try to send out an addition of this service to the known owners. But, as you too have done by ignoring my suggestions in your own response, I can assume VW will continue to ignore the issue as well, right?
Sincerely concerned,
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Nicely said :congrats:
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Ordered mine up today.
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My reply to their's:
Dear Mr. A., Tim
I received this letter after my cam follower had already failed years ago. And, I believe you when you say "Volkswagen stands behind our products through both our original warranty, and additional campaigns such as extended warranties, service actions, and recalls" in response to my original suggestion. I know that VW does...the issue isn't that you don't stand behind all of what has been said, but that there is still an issue with this being an ongoing failure for many that do have the B-version, or other version not being an A-version, intake cam.
The issue is:
The cam follower in the hpfp is wearing out for many with mileages of 80k to 120k miles. I've been on nearly a dozen forums for six years and recently there are many new and original owners having to deal with the inconvenience of replacing their rail pump(hpfp) and intake cam due to a $50usd part not included in your service intervals and not being mentioned by service representatives. People have left from having it serviced only to find themselves back within days or weeks due to a failed cam follower that VW is handling like a "US Government cover-up", so to speak.
As I said in my first message, I wrote something like "why this is not included in the service interval, or at least by now, why hasn't there been an amendment to the service intervals sent out to all known owners" and "why service rep's aren't advising this" as well is beyond me. You all have seemed to believe in the determination that there is no problem with the cam follower now that you all have publicly notified the world of a poor A-version cam. The hundreds of thousands of forum visitors are reading my messages to you and agree that VW is going to ignore this and shame on them if they do. When I wrote "stand behind this" in my first message to VW, I meant at least have service rep's have to mention it at certain mileages and try to send out an addition of this service to the known owners. But, as you too have done by ignoring my suggestions in your own response, I can assume VW will continue to ignore the issue as well, right?
Sincerely concerned,
Thanks for taking the issue up directly :happy2: - At least VW USA acknowledge there can be an issue and have issued an extended warranty...VW UK AFAIK does not acknowledge the issue.
Does anyone know ANY UK dealers that are aware of some of the issues EA113 has? Because the people in dealerships I have spoken to are either operating to a code of silence or actually don't know! :fighting: