MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: SteveP on July 24, 2009, 09:59:17 pm
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Has anyone one else fitted one of these to there car, if so where did you put the catch can?
Also any other tips for the install?
Cheers,
Steve :happy2:
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You can fit the can on the passenger side, mirroring the install instructions for the can on the driver side (if that makes sense). You'll have to run the hoses under the intake. Are you using the stock air box?
Apart from that the install is pretty simple... :smiley:
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I think you have to permanently remove the stock engine cover (unless you already have).
There'll be threads on this subject across the pond on GOLFMKV.
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Cheers Bacillus :happy2:
Yes stock airbox (for now) :wink:
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you should be able to still use the stock air box.
If you had a standard GTi, you could have also done the install like the pic below but I think the DV and associated plumbing on the ED30 may not provide you with enough room.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aibrahim.co.uk%2Ffrontcan.JPG&hash=cf955039dc296e76ebde60a29a4f8a9a9ac90eae)
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I was interested in the Forge item till they emailed me the price after a couple of weeks correspondence. :stupid:
Think ill just go for the simple Eurojet one.
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I was interested in the Forge item till they emailed me the price after a couple of weeks correspondence. :stupid:
Care to divulge the cost of the Forge version??
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you should be able to still use the stock air box.
....Yes, as the pic shows - A rather crude and nasty hack (which doubtless could be much better done with a round headed arch and edges smoothed.
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I was interested in the Forge item till they emailed me the price after a couple of weeks correspondence. :stupid:
Care to divulge the cost of the Forge version??
£259 + VAT + P&P
Roughly £300 + P&P
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^^^ :surprised: I am glad I chose the BSH one now :smiley:
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what is this catch can and what does it do?
Is there a problem with original one on E30? :ashamed:
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i've got mine fitted to the left of the engine as you are looking at it, next to the washer fluid bottle, jkm did it for me on thursday.
got it put there as plan to get that new forge twintake and that looks like it takes up the whole of the right side of the engine bay so wanted to make sure it fits.
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How much did you pay for the BSH one, £200 or so?
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they are on ebay i think
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i got mine direct from bsh, paid £260 delivered including an extra charge from postman.
they alse do this new one which I wish I got but had already got mine before it was released
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16997&cat=1011&page=1
the race version vents to the atmosphere rather than catch can so no emptying.
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apparently the race one doesnt smell so good.
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apparently the race one doesnt smell so good.
....Just when you open the bonnet or also inside the car?
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How much did you pay for the BSH one, £200 or so?
Way less, £106 delivered next day :wink:
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Finally got around to fitting mine :rolleye:
The latest version of the BSH one had moved on but the details on the website and the instruction sheet are a bit different.
The new version now has a mesh in side (no wire wool to remove and clean) and drain valve on the bottom.
Here's some picture of the fitted can: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0114.jpg&hash=e8ace457dd6899525a0862f59df5a804ec794611)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0116.jpg&hash=0064a99c50334d967a7e01e0fa7d8600e80cebcf)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0117.jpg&hash=3ba9ac5e48160310f9be4985af48d1da5bdf4fc8)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0118.jpg&hash=57f747aeb5949587fe4676b9984061d5388a5e2c)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2FIMG_0119.jpg&hash=c1e1333be01befc7b19fe27a52a0b27aab960d8a)
This was supplied by Dubtek who have just started to import the BSH product range, look out for our own forum discount from them very soon (or like me watch their cheap auctions on ebay) :happy2:
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That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30. Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover. The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines. Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.
Regards,
Gareth
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Great info and pics, Steve :happy2: 8) :happy2:
That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30. Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover. The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines. Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.
Regards,
Gareth
....I also did 20k this last year (and averaging about 16k the previous 3 years).
I agree about the fugliness of the engine without a cover - Unless you've modded it like jonnyc did his : - :notworthy:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FForgeIntake_Jonnyc.jpg&hash=1644d07b28141b2e425a5a68dc163e70eaf81329)
However, this EVOMS cover is available - You add your own centre strip : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi22.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FEVOMS_cover.jpg&hash=fbd581d0b7b670bc2b96f6a46b0d40e4caf228a3)
VW dealers definitely vary in their attitudes towards mods. Mine has always been extremely friendly but I have actually given them the extra business of fitting some of my mods. Now I mainly use VWR who have recently become an officially approved servicing dealer and they obviously understand modded GTI's!
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This was supplied by Dubtek who have just started to import the BSH product range, look out for our own forum discount from them version some (or like me for the cheap auctions on ebay) :happy2:
....Now you know why BSH weren't responding to a direct Group Buy request in the UK. :wink:
Excellent news about a Dubtek GB, Steve :happy2: 8) :happy2:
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EVOMS cover looks :sick: - no way ! lol !
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This was supplied by Dubtek who have just started to import the BSH product range, look out for our own forum discount from them version some (or like me for the cheap auctions on ebay) :happy2:
....Now you know why BSH weren't responding to a direct Group Buy request in the UK. :wink:
Excellent news about a Dubtek GB, Steve :happy2: 8) :happy2:
I don't agree with that but let's now go there yet again. :happy2:
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EVOMS cover looks :sick: - no way ! lol !
Its worse than that. :laugh:
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looks fab steve :congrats:
very tempted :happy2:
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EVOMS cover looks :sick: - no way ! lol !
Its worse than that. :laugh:
....So which aftermarket cover would you prefer if fitting something which means the stock one has to go?
[Don't answer that here - I'm gonna start a new thread on the subject]
And hey! Steve! I was just checking to see how you'd interpret my words! :evilgrin: Hook.....Line.....
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looks fab steve :congrats:
very tempted :happy2:
Cheers John :drinking:
@Robin - :indifferent:
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A question for you, Steve...........
Re the bracket which you attach to the car and which holds the BSH black overflow bottle (near the oem windscreen wash bottle)....Can it be attached at a lower position, even if it means making a different fixing or by extending the one BSH supply?
Thanks :smiley:
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if we can get a group buy on these count me in :happy2:
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EVOMS cover looks :sick: - no way ! lol !
Its worse than that. :laugh:
....So which aftermarket cover would you prefer if fitting something which means the stock one has to go?
[Don't answer that here - I'm gonna start a new thread on the subject]
And hey! Steve! I was just checking to see how you'd interpret my words! :evilgrin: Hook.....Line.....
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cordless-drills.net%2Fstock%2FDremel-7700.gif&hash=1884a5c70e7d339ee71d3ada440fb1e8c2185974)
Stock cover +
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So's not to hijack this thread, I've started another separate one : -
Linky : - Which Aftermarket Engine Cover.... (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6584.0)
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That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30. Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover. The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines. Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.
Regards,
Gareth
i ve been reading about these but i dont really understand what it does ! if this modification is need for the health of the engine why did vw not design it originally and surly if it does increase the life/performance of the engine vw would approve it any way ? any one who has one fitted , any down side to it ???????
:drinking: ian
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That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30. Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover. The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines. Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.
Regards,
Gareth
i ve been reading about these but i dont really understand what it does ! if this modification is need for the health of the engine why did vw not design it originally and surly if it does increase the life/performance of the engine vw would approve it any way ? any one who has one fitted , any down side to it ???????
:drinking: ian
The downside is, that in all oil catch tanks - if you live in deepest darkest coldest Wales like I do (!!) the moisture inside the catch tank can freeze in the winter preventing the PCV fix from "fixing" ! Have you seen the threads and pictures showing the ports and exposed valve train in the ports after 20k in a TFSI ? They get tremendously gunged up (a downside of not having and injector behind the valve in the port) - a side effect of direct port injection. Exhaust gas is re circulated back into the inlet tract to help lower emissions (so that VW can sell the car) and is mixed with oil which then sludges up in the warm atmosphere of the ports and coats everything in sludge - this will undoubtedly cause valve train damage failure, lower performance etc etc
VW haven't fitted it a, either through ignorance b, because the shelf life of modern cars is considerably less and c, because it was probably a VW economists choice to omitt rather than an engineers choice to include - unfortunately economists run car manufacturers not engineers.
Regards,
Gareth :happy2:
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VW are fully aware of this issue!
Below is a direct quotation from the technical staff of VAG with complete acknowledgment of the FSI intake valve deposit issue, and it's impacts, including: decreased performance, misfires, catalytic converter damage ... etc.
"Gasoline engines with direct injection of the fuel into the combustion chamber, i.e., not into the intake port, suffer especially from the problem of the formation of carbon deposits on components. Carbon deposits form especially in the neck region of intake valves. A more exact analysis of how these carbon deposits form leads to the following result: Oil and fuel constituents first form a sticky coating on the components. These constituents are chiefly long-chain and branched-chain hydrocarbons, i.e., the low-volatility components of oil and fuel. Aromatic compounds adhere especially well. This sticky base coating serves as a base for the deposition of soot particles. This results in a porous surface, in which oil and fuel particles in turn become embedded. This process is a circular process, by which the coating thickness of the carbon deposits continuously increases. Especially in the area of the intake valves, the deposits originate from blowby gases and from internal and external exhaust gas recirculation, and in this process, the blowby gasses and the recirculated exhaust gas come into direct contact with the intake valve.
Especially in the area of the neck of the intake valves, excessive carbon deposits have extremely negative effects for the following reasons: In the case of Otto direct injectors, the successful ignition of the stratified charge depends to a great extent on the correct development of the internal cylinder flow, which ensures reliable transport of the injected fuel to the spark plug to guarantee reliable ignition at the spark plug. However, a coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may interfere so strongly with the tumble flow that ignition failures may occur there as a result. Under certain circumstances, however, ignition failures can lead to irreversible damage of a catalytic converter installed in the exhaust gas tract for purifying the exhaust gas. Furthermore, the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve causes flow resistance, which can lead to significant performance losses due to insufficient cylinder filling, especially in the upper load and speed range of the internal combustion engine. In addition, the carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may prevent correct valve closing, which leads to compression losses and thus sporadic ignition failures. This in turn could irreversibly damage the catalytic converter. There is the potential for small particles to break away from the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve and get into the catalytic converter. These hot particles may then cause secondary reaction and corresponding local damage of the catalytic converter. For example, a hole may be burned in the structure of the catalytic converter.
Globular deposits are found especially on the valve stem downstream from a partition plate in the intake port. Due to the dripping of high-boiling hydrocarbons from the partition plate towards the valve neck or valve stem, globular carbon deposits eventually form there by the sequence of events explained above. These deposits on the valve stem can result in flow deficits due to undesired swirling and turbulent flow around the globular carbon deposits. This may persistently interfere with the formation of stable tumble flow from cycle to cycle.
A possible solution would be to keep these sources of deposits away, for example, from the intake valve, by completely eliminating exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port. However with the combustion behavior of modern reciprocating internal combustion engines, at least external exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port are absolutely necessary for reasons of emission control and fuel consumption, so that this approach is not possible. "
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does the stage 2 make a smell? it only says the race one smells, why would that be and why would you need a race one over a stage 2?
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does the stage 2 make a smell? it only says the race one smells, why would that be and why would you need a race one over a stage 2?
Only the race can setup smells because it vents uncondensed oil vapour into the engine bay. :smiley: