MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: x5pea on July 26, 2009, 05:40:49 pm
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As some of you may know i sold my Green MK5 in favour of a MK6 GTI, few things ive noticed thus far.
As some people have said its more like a MK5.5 rather than a MK6 but on closer inspection there are a lot of subtle changes which make the MK6 a big improvement over its older brother the MK5.
The floor pan, looks the same from what ive seen, the boot area is identical seat mounting again looks identical to that of the mk5. Suspension set up on the mk6 is the same 55mm strut but i havnet had a close enough look to figure out if a mk5 strut would fit ......yet.
RRP - Prices start at 22.5 grand and are specable up to around 30k im told, personally i went with Poverty Spec on mine because either i would upgrade the car myself cheaper or better over time.
Xenons - I didnt go for these due to the issues that have arisen with the Scirocco, at one point production was pushed back by some 3 months due to the issues with the new xenon units.
Sat Nav - Although the MK6 comes with the smaller and worse looking RCD 210 VW upgrade to the RNS 510 is £1500 but they are on ebay for around £600 and retro fit is really easy so i opted to save a grand. Also the RCD510 is an extra £350 with comes std on the scirocco.
Adaptive Chassis Control - This comes std on the scirocco but as i plan to lower the car, i would eventually bin it so opted for the std sports suspension. All this is a essentially a dampening adjustable strut with an electronic adjuster at the bottom of the strut which adjust the dampening.
Leather - VW leather never last very well so std gti seats with an upgrade to follow and at £1675 its comparable if not more expensive than a retrim.
The Rest - Again i didnt bother with parking sensors, reversing camera, cruise or phone prep.
Wheels I didnt upgrade to the 18" monzas but when i realised they were only £410 i wished i had, the mk6 really looks terrible on the std 17" monas i cant belive VW actually let it out the factory with them on. Even if i only run them for a few days before i fit 19/20's i wished i had added to the spec when ordering now.
Nice touches include the new take on the GTI Seats, New style gear knob, twin exit exhausts, New style steering wheel, larger clocks and the front bumper are my favourites this far.
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nice
i like the obervations
will this go through a well modded route like the mk5?
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I see you've had it vinyl wrapped already!!! boom boom, tish!
Make sure you post some pics up when you change the wheels, I reckon it will really make the car look :party:
White is definately the colour of the moment it seems.
Oh, and it is still a mk5.5
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I'm hearing stories that the Mk7 Golf has already been designed and will launch in Europe (not UK yet) early 2010.
Anyone else hearing this?
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I'm hearing stories that the Mk7 Golf has already been designed and will launch in Europe (not UK yet) early 2010.
Anyone else hearing this?
that is complete p1sh, there is no way on this earth VW would ever release a new model 2 years after the last
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I very much doubt that robin, i was told they are aiming for 6 years from the mk6
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If they do bring out the MKVII it will probably be a MK5.5 versionB :laugh:
Oh and I do like the MKVI in white Mr Pea :happy2:
And you are absolutely bang on about the 17" wheels :sad1:
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I'm hearing stories that the Mk7 Golf has already been designed and will launch in Europe (not UK yet) early 2010.
Anyone else hearing this?
Yes, I'd heard something similar.
Nice car x5pea and I agree 18s should have been spec'd, but a set of 19/20s will improve it 100% - what style have you got in mind?
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Hmmm....the car exterior looks nice but the interior is gash. Looks better in real life.
Not a fan of the tartan. The centre console looks crap (filled grabbed handles etc). Clocks look nice. Does highline come as standard?
I might nosey on down to a local VW garage for a test drive to see what it's like but I'm happier with my ED30.
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I'm hearing stories that the Mk7 Golf has already been designed and will launch in Europe (not UK yet) early 2010.
Anyone else hearing this?
Yes - i read a while back VW werent planning to keep the Golf MK6 out very long !!!
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Very nice.
But what happened to the bonnet around the raised area on top of the badge? Also, looks like something has been pressed against the drivers seat?
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lovely car! very very very jelous! :drool:
everyday, i have i sit and look at the white mk6 gti in our showroom.. :sad:
got to say, the only thing that i can fault it on (without driving it, they wont let me yet.lol) is the radio system.. it's awfull looking.. :confused:
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Very nice.
But what happened to the bonnet around the raised area on top of the badge? Also, looks like something has been pressed against the drivers seat?
Just realised it still has the PDI sheet on it. LOL. But i wouldnt be impressed if my car was delivered with those impressions on the seat.
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i do love that car mate, other than the wheels.
and you are dam right on not spending the money you did if your going to be Modding. Especially about the RNS and the leather!!
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As above the 17'' wheels are terrible.Love the new seats & steering wheel but the rear lights just don't look right?.
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Looks nice matey, you are defo right about the wheels, they are shocking! Im sure all will be good when you have finished with it though :happy2:
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I'm hearing stories that the Mk7 Golf has already been designed and will launch in Europe (not UK yet) early 2010.
Anyone else hearing this?
The MK7 is due in 2012. Not sure how soon the GTI and R will follow.
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I need that steering wheel.
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i need it too! need to stop holidaying and spending first
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...need to stop buying 45 year old cars first...
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lets see it then!!
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lets see it then!!
Who, me?
http://www.cmdr-fire.co.uk/karmannghia/
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lets see it then!!
Who, me?
http://www.cmdr-fire.co.uk/karmannghia/
Cool Ghia dude :)
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i think the mk 6 gti looks too much like lesser models in the range , hope any r20t looks lots better imo :happy2:
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i think the mk 6 gti looks too much like lesser models in the range , hope any r20t looks lots better imo :happy2:
....Exactly what I think. And especially in black - The worst colour for the Mk6 GTI.
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if the r20t is nt any better i ll be going for this .....i think
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Yep, I can totally understand that. It's swings and roundabouts - The new RS has some great advantages. I don't want one but I'd love to test drive one.
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i hade a drive in one at the weekend , they drive awesome , only thing that bothers me is on my travels i ve seen loads and they have only been out a short time , the ed 30 is quite rare in comparison
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i think the mk 6 gti looks too much like lesser models in the range , hope any r20t looks lots better imo :happy2:
i think the R will resemble the Thunder Bunny Golf.
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only other one i like the look of is the scirocco R :wink:
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Candy Turbo i share your thoughts on RS, awsome, but not what i call an all rounder or long distance cruiser, i still have an issue with £28k for a Focus, production allocation is 8,000 with 4,000 for the UK
think on the 18s the mark 6 is a great looking car but really colour sensitive (amazing how black worked on the mk5 but not mk6), issue is if you've got an Ed30/Pirelli you want that next level, issue i find with the Roc GT compared to our Golf
hoping with the ditching of the V6s VW make the R brand a bit more driver focused, will be intersting to see if the engine in the golf r is S3/Roc R derived or a derivative of the new unit
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i personally dont think either engine option will beat the rs focus , it seems a good all rounder to me well behaved round town and an absolute animal on the twisty , build quality seems to match the mk 5 and the recaro seats are brilliant :happy2:
they are currently fetching £30k unless you order new and wait !!!!!
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I haven't driven the RS but somehow I reckon it will be a touch more hardcore than the road legal Rocco R. I may be wrong of course but those are my expectations.
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I cant see Ford limiting the RS! In a recession and they have a car everyone wants, they would be crazy not to milk it :stupid:
I have seen so many RS's compared to the ED30!
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I haven't seen any RS in the UK yet (just in Germany). It blows away the Mk6 GTI I should think.
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You cant compare an RS to a standard Mk6 GTI. An ST and a GTI would be a fairer comparison.
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has there been any mention of the mk6 anniversary yet or should i say edition 35
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I haven't seen any RS in the UK yet (just in Germany). It blows away the Mk6 GTI I should think.
i ve only had a short drive but first impressions , the rs would blow my modded ed30 imo it feels a better package if i can get a deffo on the 4000 limit my ed30 is for sale :surprised:
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Focus RS is still a ford and i was school'd to avoid them like the plague from a very young age :fighting:. Mate has a green one which is nice looking and very quick 305bhp IIRC but its more of a boy racer car (says the guys with the green mk5 :signLOL:) i mean u aint turning up at a business meeting with a client in a focus RS.
First decent drive in the mk6 today after a meal in town with a friend i took the long way home (the windy road) and im really impressed with the car. It really is a step up in terms of handling from the mk5, MK6 just feels much more balanced, corners really well and the introduction of the new XPS (electronic limited-slip diff) is really noticeable. Compared to my mk5 and scirocco it feels slower as both are remaped so im looking forward to seeing what motech performance can do for me with the mk6.
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I know which heritage I'd prefer.
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aye that ford was around before wires were invented, :signLOL:i think thats where things started to go down hill for auld henry
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i mean u aint turning up at a business meeting with a client in a focus RS.
think that sums up the ford issue for me perfectly
my dealer said the 8,000 limit is due to RS using 'soft tooling' so thats the expectancy out of the machinery, i'm sure some technical minded bod may know more
just need to get the coilovers and rims on it Chris :happy2:
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You cant compare an RS to a standard Mk6 GTI. An ST and a GTI would be a fairer comparison.
....Don't the RS and the Mk6 GTI cost a similar amount of money? They are both hatchbacks of similar size and so if you didn't want a 5-door, you might definitely compare them - I would! I'd test drive both and expect not to like the interior of the Ford but to find it much more of an exciting 'driver's' car. Mind you, I don't like the Mk6 interior silver bling even if the build is clearly higher quality (door shuts etc) than either the Mk5 or RS.
I don't really care about the image - What's important is the pleasure I get and not what others who don't know me think of me.
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i mean u aint turning up at a business meeting with a client in a focus RS.
think that sums up the ford issue for me perfectly
....Oh dear!
I once turned up at the Duchess of York's parents house for a business meeting in a beat up Talbot. Her father was awfully amused and came out to look at the car in detail (probably in shock!) and I still got the contract. I don't like the snobbery of what car you drive as being judged as important - It really isn't!
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Robin they are £26.5k and £28.5k with toys, needless to say no discounts :jumping:
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Robin they are £26.5k and £28.5k with toys, needless to say no discounts :jumping:
....Cheers :happy2:
So isn't that very much on a par with the Mk6 GTI?
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Robin they are £26.5k and £28.5k with toys, needless to say no discounts :jumping:
....Cheers :happy2:
So isn't that very much on a par with the Mk6 GTI?
mk6 gti start at £22500 :smiley:
Great choice of car there x5!! I have one exactly the same sat at a dealers somewhere (5dr) waiting til 1st September to collect! :pomppomp:
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yeah but it dont take many extras to get to £26 k , proper wheels , sat nav ............... , the rs comes with them standard :driver:
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very true.. i would love to have an RS for a blast, but own one?? no thanks
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You cant compare an RS to a standard Mk6 GTI. An ST and a GTI would be a fairer comparison.
....Don't the RS and the Mk6 GTI cost a similar amount of money? They are both hatchbacks of similar size and so if you didn't want a 5-door, you might definitely compare them - I would! I'd test drive both and expect not to like the interior of the Ford but to find it much more of an exciting 'driver's' car. Mind you, I don't like the Mk6 interior silver bling even if the build is clearly higher quality (door shuts etc) than either the Mk5 or RS.
I don't really care about the image - What's important is the pleasure I get and not what others who don't know me think of me.
The cost has nothing to do with it. The market segment is how you compare the cars. The comparable Mk6 GTI would by the R20 once released.
As stated, the ST was released as a competitor to the GTI.
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^^ agreed.
Lets wait for the R20 so it can kick the RS into touch :party:
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The comparable Mk6 GTI would by the R20 once released.
....I think you must have missed out some words because I can't make sense of your sentence.
So, casting aside that most buyers make comparisons between cars within the constrains of their cost budgets, which car would you compare with the Mk6 GTI? And which would you compare with the RS? (only taking into account cars which are currently available to buy).
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Sanitary Towel i would say :laugh:
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go have a drive in a RS it ll blow any r20 imo unless it has tt rs 2.5 engine in it !!!!!!
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the focus might be good but the only car/hatchback out at the mo that would spank it would be the megane r26r :notworthy: its hardcore
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The comparable Mk6 GTI would by the R20 once released.
....I think you must have missed out some words because I can't make sense of your sentence.
Oh, so sorry for the typo. Didnt realise there were dyslexic police on the forum. Not that i am.
The comparable Mk6 GTI would be the R20 once released. You cannot compare the Mk6 GTI and Focus RS at all. Period.
And which would you compare with the RS? (only taking into account cars which are currently available to buy).
You cant. Put simply. There isnt a Golf available that is in the same market sector.
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....I think you must have missed out some words because I can't make sense of your sentence.
So, casting aside that most buyers make comparisons between cars within the constrains of their cost budgets, which car would you compare with the Mk6 GTI? And which would you compare with the RS? (only taking into account cars which are currently available to buy).
Segmentation m'man, segmentation. Marketing stuff. GTI faces off against the ST, the natural competitor for the RS would be the VXR Nurburgring edition, Sport Megane hatch renaultsport sport cup sport, and GTI Rwhatever/Scirocco Rwhatever, and mebbe the S3.
It's why people will suffer a diesel Golf and not pay a few pennies more for a GTI; and why people will pay for a Cayman as opposed to a Boxster.
Hence, the BMW X6 - no one asked, no one wanted, but if you build it they will come.
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Well, Deako, you and I are going to have to agree to differ because I believe that cost comparisons are invariably a factor in any market. You have only to check the meaning of the word "market" - It's all about purchasing.
Agreed that cost is by no means the only factor.
Funny how just one letter typo mistake combined with something else completely buggered that sentence. Thanks for clarifying what you meant :smiley:
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I had a Focus RS on a day test drive recently, and didn't like it - Maybe £20k, but not £30k!!! Plus it had torque steer, and on a less than perfect surface, it twitched and pulled all over the place.
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Just my tuppence
I still had my RS4 when I tested it mind you......
Still wouldn't have one, looks great but not on my drive
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Ford Focus Rs does 14.6 secs down Santa pod.... hardly blow you away material is it!!.
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I had a Focus RS on a day test drive recently, and didn't like it - Maybe £20k, but not £30k!!! Plus it had torque steer, and on a less than perfect surface, it twitched and pulled all over the place.
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Just my tuppence
I still had my RS4 when I tested it mind you......
Still wouldn't have one, looks great but not on my drive
Oli, thats Mr Hendy fords RS at chandlers ford if im not mistaken :wink:
Your local to me :happy2:
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RS09 HEN :laugh: - My first thought was chicken! :chicken:
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Correct. I buy about 50 cars/vans off them a year so borrowing this was no effort!
Where are you based?
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Southampton Oli :happy2:
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Well, Deako, you and I are going to have to agree to differ because I believe that cost comparisons are invariably a factor in any market. You have only to check the meaning of the word "market" - It's all about purchasing.
Agreed that cost is by no means the only factor.
Funny how just one letter typo mistake combined with something else completely buggered that sentence. Thanks for clarifying what you meant :smiley:
Pedantic and stubborn? I guess some people just cant accept they are wrong, when presented with facts. :congrats:
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Well, Deako, you and I are going to have to agree to differ because I believe that cost comparisons are invariably a factor in any market. You have only to check the meaning of the word "market" - It's all about purchasing.
Agreed that cost is by no means the only factor.
Funny how just one letter typo mistake combined with something else completely buggered that sentence. Thanks for clarifying what you meant :smiley:
Pedantic and stubborn? I guess some people just cant accept they are wrong, when presented with facts. :congrats:
....Oh stop being so silly! - I'm only saying that I have a different opinion from yourself re "market comparisons" - No more and no less. There's no 'right or wrong' in this case.
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As has been already stated, there is such a thing as market segmentation.
The Mk6 GTI and Focus RS are not comparable models. Doesnt matter whether its your opinion that they are. The fact is, they are not.
While they both are hot hatches, they are not in the same market segment.
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Okay, market segmentation rather than just market (which is how I misinterpreted your post).
I'm not saying you are wrong but only that I, and possibly some others, simply view car comparisons more broadly and with purchase price factors. I can't help the fact that IF I was considering a new car I would definitely be looking at both a Mk6 and an RS and even an Evo X, for example. So, for me personally, I'd be making a comparison, even if it's viewed as wrong or invalid.
I've already decided that I don't much like the Mk6 GTI's interior and rear styling and it would cost too much to mod it to what I'd want. I think that the Mk6 GTI makes more sense as a purchase to someone who hasn't got a Mk5 and it certainly doesn't cut it if compared with an Ed30. On the other hand, if you aren't buying it outright and change your car regularly on some company deal, then it doesn't matter so much.
Peace 8)
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Okay, market segmentation rather than just market (which is how I misinterpreted your post).
I'm not saying you are wrong but only that I, and possibly some others, simply view car comparisons more broadly and with purchase price factors. I can't help the fact that IF I was considering a new car I would definitely be looking at both a Mk6 and an RS and even an Evo X, for example. So, for me personally, I'd be making a comparison, even if it's viewed as wrong or invalid.
You're breaking the statistical marketing data. Stop it. People will be very upset and they shall write you a letter.
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You're breaking the statistical marketing data. Stop it. People will be very upset and they shall write you a letter.
....But you know what I'm like, Neo - I love to break or bend rules! It's probably my English Public School education (also why I can spell).
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I had a good think about the RS when I was purchasing the S3. I could not help thinking they are far to over styled. I am a 21 year old single guy I think I would feel to old driving it! :surprised: If I went to pick a girl up in a bright green RS, I just get the feeling that she would think I was an absolute dick head. The same goes for going to work and being out on the road in the thing, this is why I was so put off buying one, my S3 will go just as well as an RS but it is 100 times more sophisticated at the same time. I have seen far too many 40/50 year old blokes in RS's and it just looks like there having a mid life crisis :confused:
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mid life crises.....car of the year!! :grin:
just like all these old godgers in their gti's!! :P :P :grin:
*ducks behind his desk*
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just like all these old godgers in their gti's!! :P :P :grin:
:signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
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I have seen far too many 40/50 year old blokes in RS's and it just looks like there having a mid life crisis :confused:
.... :laugh: That made me laugh :happy2:
How about 50/60 year old blokes in modified GTI's? As you grow older you care far less about what other people might think of you. If a girlie is put off by what car you drive, she simply ain't worth the effort. [Sorry if I'm sounding like your dad]
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EDIT: Wot Joe said! :laugh:
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at least theyre faster than you mk4 R32 guys :wink:
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No you are getting me wrong Robin, I think your car blends in with the surroundings it doesn't stand out like a sore dick ala RS, therefore you dont look like your having a crisis, and anyway your past mid life now anyways so who cares :laugh: :laugh:
Apparently Ford got there inspiration for the RS from this beast:
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How much of a bitch am I!? :grin:
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at least theyre faster than you mk4 R32 guys :wink:
looks like the gti may be sticking round a bit longer! :P :wink:
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mid life crises.....car of the year!! :grin:
just like all these old godgers in their gti's!! :P :P :grin:
*ducks behind his desk*
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You do realize Joe no matter how much we fight it or deny it, we always end up like are Dad's.
I can see a cute little footballers wives porker coming your way once your MK 4 dies a death. :P
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You do realize Joe no matter how much we fight it or deny it, we always end up like are Dad's.
....That's so true! And very scary when you sometimes look in the mirror and see your dad in yourself!
They say that a good way to check what a wifey/gf will look like when she's older is to look at her mother - Also scary!
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mid life crises.....car of the year!! :grin:
just like all these old godgers in their gti's!! :P :P :grin:
*ducks behind his desk*
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You do realize Joe no matter how much we fight it or deny it, we always end up like are Dad's.
I can see a cute little footballers wives porker coming your way once your MK 4 dies a death. :P
I hope that is only true of his personality and not his taste in cars! My dad lives out in Spain and now drives around in a beat up old Escort Diesel! :scared:
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They say that a good way to check what a wifey/gf will look like when she's older is to look at her mother - Also scary!
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I made a mistake there then, my long term girlfriend whom I have just split up with had the fittest mum you have ever seen! :grin:
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must aggree there tom, my bird mum is stunning!! :party:
not as nice as you sister though tom!!! :drool: :drool: :drool: :P
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I can see a cute little footballers wives porker coming your way once your MK 4 dies a death. :P
no need, i already drive a turbo! :P :P
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not as nice as you sister though tom!!! :drool: :drool: :drool: :P
I was waiting for that one to come along :grin: Unfortunately your not her type Joe, she is only interested in footballers with lots and lots of money! :grin:
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well im no footballer but the money is still there! :grin: :grin:
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You do realize Joe no matter how much we fight it or deny it, we always end up like are Dad's.
....That's so true! And very scary when you sometimes look in the mirror and see your dad in yourself!
They say that a good way to check what a wifey/gf will look like when she's older is to look at her mother - Also scary!
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Someone hand me the divorce papers fast! :scared:
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I'm a VW enthusiast, meaning i like VW's. I always have done, from a very young age along with the rest of my family. I believe in VW the brand and what they produce i could afford an RS if i wanted to but irrespective of how fast it is or which colour its painted its still a ford and for the reason i wont own one. That may sound ridiculous...... brand snobbery maybe but in my experience ford are pretty poor when it comes to building cars, best thing they ever did was getting into bed with cosworth.
As said it is ridiculous to compare a focus RS and a MK6 GTI you would be as well throwing any 20-30k car/van/4x4 into the equation, in my opinion there is no comparison VW is a far superior brand than that of ford and thats where the comparison ends for me. Its only mags like What Car ect that feel the need to make a comparison and guess what MK6 GTI was at of the of the list in the hot hatch section and that was including the focus RS
Top 5 Performance Cars/Hot Hatches
1. Nissan GT-R Coupe
2. Ferrari 430 Coupe
3. Volkswagen Golf
4. Audi R8 Coupe
5. Porsche Cayman Coupe
again when up against the big hitters the lowly golf gti can hold its own with the 430, r8 and Porsches, all u need to do is watch the last 30 years of golf gti advertising to understand why the Golf Gti will always be the top dog when it comes to hot hatches. I have a mate who has a race spec SLR, F430 and a RR and guess what he drives to work in each day yup Golf GTI, was a mk5 now a mk6 :signLOL:
Isnt this ment to be a VW enthusiast site :angry015:
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I have a mate who has a race spec SLR, F430 and a RR and guess what he drives to work in each day yup Golf GTI, was a mk5 now a mk6 :signLOL:
.... :signLOL: That made me laugh!
- Would you drive a "race spec" car as a daily to work? - Highly unlikely (though I admit I would drive that VWR race prep'd GTI which is road legal). But for most 'normal' people, no!
- Would you drive a F430 as a daily to work? - No, it's not designed for it and doesn't like traffic crawls.
- Would you drive a RR (Rolls-Royce) as a daily to work? - Only if you wanted to 'impress' someone.
- Would you drive a Golf GTI as a daily to work? - Yes, it's a great allrounder.
The choice among those 4 is a no-brainer and nowt much to do with which is the 'better' car as they are all so different. Guess what? - We've just made a direct comparison between 4 very different cars.
Isnt this ment to be a VW enthusiast site :angry015:
....It certainly is primarily a VW enthusiast site and specifically the GTI but most here are broad minded and are interested in other brands as well.
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i drive a porsche turbo to work every morning, :star:
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I get to use alot of cars from work aswell and would rather drive a Golf :wink:
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.... :signLOL: That made me laugh!
- Would you drive a "race spec" car as a daily to work? - Highly unlikely (though I admit I would drive that VWR race prep'd GTI which is road legal). But for most 'normal' people, no!
- Would you drive a F430 as a daily to work? - No, it's not designed for it and doesn't like traffic crawls.
If you're from the North, and have a bit of money, and just bought a cheapo-spec F430, yes*
*I know someone who's done this. This someone is a bit of a tard to be honest.
- Would you drive a RR (Rolls-Royce) as a daily to work? - Only if you wanted to 'impress' someone.
If you're Arab*. Or you just have your man drive it for you, dahling.
*I get away with saying this, kind of.
- Would you drive a Golf GTI as a daily to work? - Yes, it's a great allrounder.
The choice among those 4 is a no-brainer and nowt much to do with which is the 'better' car as they are all so different. Guess what? - We've just made a direct comparison between 4 very different cars.
Nonsense, it makes perfect sense to compare a Rolls Phantom Drophead Coupe to a Golf. They're both German, although the Golf has superior electronics. And less of a need to invade Poland.
/runs, and hides
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This thread just keeps giving! :happy2: :grin:
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i drive a porsche turbo to work every morning, :star:
....No comment!! :laugh:
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i drive a porsche turbo to work every morning, :star:
....No comment!! :laugh:
Yes, it's called a Volkswagen Golf GTI* now.
*Or a funny looking Beetle.
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Calm down you lot this is Chris's thread and not for every one else to start bickering about Fords and what they compare to???
Make another thread for the bickering...Nice car by the way Chris carn't wait to see what you do to it.
Darren
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Has anyone else been a little unimpressed with the mk6? I love to see the R-GTI come out from VW
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It will be a 32+k car with some toys no doubt. A average spec Mk6 GTi with some extra's is 28k+!!!!
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I like the look of the MK6 but would not pay that sort of money for one (£28,000 with extras) :scared:
Recently got my ED30, so no expert, but the write ups seem to suggest the MK5 is a better car all together although i would like to give the MK6 a test drive to see the differance
By the way, i'm not that keen on the Focus RS if it's ok with everyone to compare it..... :happy2:
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Has anyone else been a little unimpressed with the mk6? I love to see the R-GTI come out from VW
....Overall I was unimpressed but it does have some good features as well as the irritating ones. The problem is perhaps our individual expectations - Since I've been hanging out (mostly here) with GTI enthusiasts my perspective has moved towards wanting a more performance orientated car rather than a Golf with a nice badge and a bit of fancy Audi-esque trim.
Whether it's right or wrong to compare it with the RS, for a similar spend of money, at least the Ford has balls! Everybody is waiting for the R20Thingy VeeDub.
Linky : - GTI Mk6 Review.... (http://mk6.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=51.0)
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Great sig pic Robin :happy2:
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Great sig pic Robin :happy2:
....Thanks, Phil :drinking:
I see you're doing a Don Quixote - Tilting at windmills, yer mad fecker! :evilgrin:
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The choice among those 4 is a no-brainer and nowt much to do with which is the 'better' car as they are all so different. Guess what? - We've just made a direct comparison between 4 very different cars.
Yet again Einstein your missing the point.........the guy has 100k's worth of cars and with purchasing power to buy pretty much anything he wants to drive daily, BUT chooses to drive a Golf GTI.
...... PS RR was to signify his Range Rover :signLOL:
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Calm down you lot this is Chris's thread and not for every one else to start bickering about Fords and what they compare to???
Thats alright mate thought i would share my views, al take em some place else in future
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i drove one couple of weeks ago. It felt alright....faster than i thought i have to say being only 207bhp or there abouts.
felt solid on the road, was comfy, quiet, and well built. i like the new dials and lighting too.
but i won't be getting one. :drinking:
i was prolly also concentrating too much on getting to know the female sales exec in the passenger seat :signLOL:
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Yet again Einstein your missing the point.........
....There's absolutely no need to talk to me like that. You could just as easily have written "I think you are missing the point".
If you want to be unpleasant, I can be unpleasant too.
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yeh i'll agree with that as i met you robin :happy2:
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If you want to be unpleasant, I can be unpleasant too.
threatening me on a forum mate, like ur style........
I remember your unpleasantness when i first joined the forum :happy2:
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come on lads.....there's no need for stuff like that.
we're all VW enthusiasts at end of day. :drinking:
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x5pea - You have a PM :smiley:
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Look guys, most threads go OT on here and to an extent we don't mind. Yes Chris was the OP but to say it's his thread in the 'General area' is a little off. If it was a build thread then fair enough, but if someone post's their opinions on here it's only natural that people was have oposing opinions. If you don't want to hear other peoples opinions sit in a dark room on your own! :laugh:
This is human nature and if we all agreed life would be very boring.
So everyone can just chill and use this place for the intended purpose, and not bitching. :happy2: :drinking:
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Meh.
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Anyhoos, back to the observations, saw a MK6 GTi today in red, looks really very nice, suits it very well. Apart from the Wheelbarrow handle like exhaust pipes.
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I was followed for a short while yesterday by what I thought was a black Mk6 GTI but it turned out to be a Mk6 GTD. The DRL's are very yellow and not as effective as LED's at a distance - Just like big sidelights really.
That shiny black honeycombe grill looks very bling in the sunlight. I want to like the Mk6 but somehow the styling doesn't cut it for me.
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Thus far black is the colour I feel works best on a MK6. Red does look good too though.
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Saw a white Mk6 GTI the other day, flashed and waved but no response.
TBH I'm not a fan of the front twin stripe thingy - I love the headlights and fogs but the grille just doesn't do it for me. At least not on the white one.
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That shiny black honeycombe grill looks very bling in the sunlight. I want to like the Mk6 but somehow the styling doesn't cut it for me.
tbf RR anyone would think you didnt really like the MK5 judging on the number of changes you have made to yours :P
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He does have a good point :ashamed: :evilgrin:
That shiny black honeycombe grill looks very bling in the sunlight. I want to like the Mk6 but somehow the styling doesn't cut it for me.
tbf RR anyone would think you didnt really like the MK5 judging on the number of changes you have made to yours :P
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tbf RR anyone would think you didnt really like the MK5 judging on the number of changes you have made to yours :P
....That certainly is a very good point (as Phil was trying to post).
For what it's worth, I hate the Ford Ka style black plastic rear on a red Mk5 - The Ed30 looks so much better all round. Otherwise I've just found ways of improving the body styling, but of course it's an individual thing and although many say they love what I've done, not everyone will like it.
Future aftermarket styling for the Mk6 GTI should be interesting.
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Hello guys
Its ironic how I noticed this thread today after spending most of the morning selling MK6 GTI's to unsuspecting people. :rolleye:
I was at Volkswagen this morning discussing consumables etc (Liqui Moly) and could resist but to take a look at the mk6 GTI.
I think certain members here are far too happy to jump on the standard "its a new version and its crap" band wagon. :congrats:
Firstly the bickering is hilarious... But if you look behind the skin the MK6 is not a MK5.5. It isnt even near. If you want to argue with me then please call me... Dont post it here. Or PM me.
The technological advancements in comfort (Unique door seal design only seen on the MK6, quietest in its class, more rear legroom and much higher quality). Tap the back panel of a MK5. It sounds hollow... Even the dashboard and then tap the MK6. There is a huge difference.
I havnt driven the GTI but I have taken the 1.4TSI for a spin and if this little engine is anything to go by then the MK6 must be well impressive. I deal closely with tuning companies here and many are saying they are getting 170kw on the Dyno... The car is only advertised with 155kw!
The car has a completely new engine design and is IMO aimed at a slightly "posher" market than the MK5 is aimed at. I dont mean this in a horrible way but its really thrown itself in with Mercs, BMW's and Jags. Sorta makes me wonder if VW is trying to lose that "peoples car" image. Its price really isnt much. Look at the prices of the MK5 when it was launched and compare it to the MK6. There is not much difference and considering the advancements made between the cars its really no more expensive (Or at least this is the case here in South Africa).
I personally love the look of the MK6 (but would rather have a Scirocco). I also like the way VW has headed with the new TSI engines and to be quite honest I still vote the MK5 as the real king. As Clarkson said many moons ago... The MK5 GTI has put the fun back into the GTI.
I think the problem with the MK6 is that VW has finally lost that corporate image they have (The V shaped grill) and designed a car that goes against the image they created. But we need to realise the MK5 also did this.... Perhaps this is why people have mixed feelings about the design?
In my opinion the MK6 is simply a highly revised version of the MK5. But the fun is still there... Isnt that the whole point of a GTI? The perfect allrounder?
And with regards to the RS being a rival to the MK6 GTI.... lol..... What nonsense. Thats like comparing a Porsche to a Koenigsegg... They are designed to do the same thing... But its how they do those things that is so different.
Mike
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Hello guys
Its ironic how I noticed this thread today after spending most of the morning selling MK6 GTI's to unsuspecting people. :rolleye:
I was at Volkswagen this morning discussing consumables etc (Liqui Moly) and could resist but to take a look at the mk6 GTI.
I think you people are all mad. :congrats:
Firstly the bickering is hilarious... But if you look behind the skin the MK6 is not a MK5.5. It isnt even near. If you want to argue with me then please call me... Dont post it here. Or PM me.
The technological advancements in comfort (Unique door seal design only seen on the MK6, quietest in its class, more rear legroom and much higher quality). Tap the back panel of a MK5. It sounds hollow... Even the dashboard and then tap the MK6. There is a huge difference.
I havnt driven the GTI but I have taken the 1.4TSI for a spin and if this little engine is anything to go by then the MK6 must be well impressive. I deal closely with tuning companies here and many are saying they are getting 170kw on the Dyno... The car is only advertised with 155kw!
The car has a completely new engine design and is IMO aimed at a slightly "posher" market than the MK5 is aimed at. I dont mean this in a horrible way but its really thrown itself in with Mercs, BMW's and Jags. Sorta makes me wonder if VW is trying to lose that "peoples car" image. Its price really isnt much. Look at the prices of the MK5 when it was launched and compare it to the MK6. There is not much difference and considering the advancements made between the cars its really no more expensive (Or at least this is the case here in South Africa).
I personally love the look of the MK6 (but would rather have a Scirocco). I also like the way VW has headed with the new TSI engines and to be quite honest I still vote the MK5 as the real king. As Clarkson said many moons ago... The MK5 GTI has put the fun back into the GTI.
In my opinion the MK6 is simply a highly revised version of the MK5. But the fun is still there... Isnt that the whole point of a GTI? The perfect allrounder?
And with regards to the RS being a rival to the MK6 GTI.... lol..... What nonsense. Thats like comparing a Porsche to a Koenigsegg... They are designed to do the same thing... But its how they do those things that is so different.
Mike
:popcornsoda: oh dear
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Just to add to micsta's post...
It was said how expensive the mk6 is but you do now get the center armrest for free, as well as the mfsw, tinted windows and a slightly upgraded stereo not to mention xds :evilgrin:
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Just to add to micsta's post...
It was said how expensive the mk6 is but you do now get the center armrest for free, as well as the mfsw, tinted windows and a slightly upgraded stereo not to mention xds :evilgrin:
Not free then if it's more expensive! :signLOL:
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Guys... I have amended my previous post slightly... Theres a few things I have changed my mind on and wanted to rephrase. Read it again before continuing.
Oh and Phil... Please dont try and make my post out as a war starter. This is a discussion. Not a fight... I have expressed my opinion which I feel is probably one of the most unbiased opinions on this forum.
Mike
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Just to add to micsta's post...
It was said how expensive the mk6 is but you do now get the center armrest for free, as well as the mfsw, tinted windows and a slightly upgraded stereo not to mention xds :evilgrin:
Not free then if it's more expensive! :signLOL:
You know what I meant!! :stupid: :wink:
anyone have the list price for a std MK5 gti??
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Just to add to micsta's post...
It was said how expensive the mk6 is but you do now get the center armrest for free, as well as the mfsw, tinted windows and a slightly upgraded stereo not to mention xds :evilgrin:
Not free then if it's more expensive! :signLOL:
You know what I meant!! :stupid: :wink:
anyone have the list price for a std MK5 gti??
I did :laugh:
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Just to add to micsta's post...
It was said how expensive the mk6 is but you do now get the center armrest for free, as well as the mfsw, tinted windows and a slightly upgraded stereo not to mention xds :evilgrin:
Not free then if it's more expensive! :signLOL:
You know what I meant!! :stupid: :wink:
anyone have the list price for a std MK5 gti??
I did :laugh:
So did I! :grin:
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I will not go into it, but im interested how you can compare a car Mk5 which youve been passenger in, and only looked at a Mk6 GTi, but driven a 1.4 TSi which is a different car.
Sorry i just chuckled thats all.
No offence intended mike.
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Not sure if this helps...
Three years ago we were on the 8 month waiting list and paid R300 000 (25 000 pounds) for our GTI. Which has everything except SAT NAV and colour coded bumpers.
The current price for the Mk6 GTI: R330 000 (Full House with everything) which is 27 500 pounds.
Not much of a difference at all.
Mike
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If you think the MK6 Gti is expensive... just wait for the mucho anticipated R20!! :evilgrin:
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Phil please dont make assumptions. :happy2:
I have driven a MK5 GTI. And I was impressed and I was surprised and I loved it. I drove the 1.4TSI and considering there is only 1.2 second missing on its 0-100 times I would love to know how the 1.4 is all so different? Have you driven both back to back?
I ask because I have and I can barely notice any difference except that the MK5 feels heavier and that the 1.4 seems to have more wheel spin. Both cars were standard and it was wet.
I also made it perfectly clear that I had looked at the GTI and that in my experience of driving the 1.4 I am more than certain that the 2.0TSI is more than capable.
Mike :drinking:
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I think that in many ways you've hit the nail on the head, Mike. The Mk6 does look and feel much posher and things like the door shuts are a very noticeable upgrade. However, I don't think we are ever going to resolve whether the Mk6 is 'better' than the Mk5 or not - Most of us here are Mk5 enthusiasts, some of us look for reasons to justify keeping a Mk5, others seek reasons to justify swopping for a Mk6. It's all far easier for those buying a GTI for the first time.
We all have our individual likes and dislikes of the Mk6 (and I've posted mine in a long review) and within a year of the Mk5 GTI's launch everybody was saying what a difficult act it would be to follow - So true!!
Our expectations have been for a more obviously different Mk6 and not a Mk5.5 however good mechanically etc (though I so much prefer the Quaife to the XSD electronic bolt-on to the ESP). Also, VW seem to have decided to pitch the Mk6 more at the average consumer than to enthusiasts.
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Well I am moving from a mk5 r32 to a mk6 gti and I have to say I was blown away by the improvement over the mk5. Just something about it that screams better... be that interior quality, or general driving pleasure (minus the noise).
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There's seem to be buying frenzy up my way as I reg see MK6 TDi's all over the place rentals seem to have bought them up to. And have to say the shape is growing on me but the lower spec mk6's just look cheap imo, and today i seen my 1st black GTI on the road and i still think the rear exhaust setup was a bad idea. I do like the MK6 GTI i have only sat in one so I am no expert but it does look and feel a nice place to be, the MK4 was the daday of dash's though lol. I look fwd to the release of the edition model :happy2:
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Hello Rob
I don't think we are ever going to resolve whether the Mk6 is 'better' than the Mk5 or not - Most of us here are Mk5 enthusiasts, some of us look for reasons to justify keeping a Mk5, others seek reasons to justify swopping for a Mk6. It's all far easier for those buying a GTI for the first time.
This is completely true. I can happily say that I am unbiased as far as my thoughts on the two go. I have more interest in the Seat Cupra and Audi A4 than I do in the new GTI... (Dont ban me) :grin:
But this is the age old story isnt it? When the MK5 was launched the MK4 guys took almost 2 years on the other forum before they would even look at the MK5. And as you said... A lot of MK5 owners are probably very impressed with the MK6 but as you have also said... How does one decide whether a new vehicle is better then its predecessor? Thats why I tend to look at aspects like door seals and quality and all the nitty gritty thngs... When I drove the little TSI I kept closing the sun roof because the noise outside was so intense compared to that of the noise inside. This is a huge step up in comfort levels and is one of the things that I consider a huge step up.
The next thing that I notice is the awards the TSI engines have got. World Engine of the year with the MK6 as world car of the year. The MK5 got similar awards... Pity the FSI engine wasnt so new then else it would probably have also won engine of the year.
We all have our individual likes and dislikes of the Mk6 (and I've posted mine in a long review) and within a year of the Mk5 GTI's launch everybody was saying what a difficult act it would be to follow - So true!!
Agreed. I personally hate that they kept the Monza rims and publicly announced this in the show room today. Yes on paper the MK6 is probably (emphasis on the word "probably") a better car. But in my opinion I dont see why MK5 owners feel the need to justify which car is better. The MK5 is a awesome car and without it the MK6 wouldnt be what it is now.
Our expectations have been for a more obviously different Mk6 and not a Mk5.5
I think this is where the MK6 went wrong. People expected a huge step up like they saw with the MK5 and the MK6 on the design front is as most say a facelift. But I still feel that its the advancements we see on paper (And there are lots of papers) that define the MK6 as more than a facelift.
I would still take a Scirocco though :signLOL:
Mike
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Phil please dont make assumptions. :happy2:
I have driven a MK5 GTI. And I was impressed and I was surprised and I loved it. I drove the 1.4TSI and considering there is only 1.2 second missing on its 0-100 times I would love to know how the 1.4 is all so different? Have you driven both back to back?
I have driven the 1.4 170 TSI in the mk5 though, didnt like it as it feels like it runs outa puff higher up the rev range, and seems to give the impression its a diesel, as theres loads of torque low down the rev range, then tails off badly. Too different cars totally in their characteristics.
I still think that the Mk6 is too refined now, too quiet ,and not as envolving to drive. The sensation isnt there. The looks of it except the rear are not as good. It would cost at least 10k to change, and for what benefit??. There isnt anything that you could say is worth making the change. The mark 4 to 5, now thats different. Mk5 to 6..same money to change, no way in a million years.
Ive drawn to this conclusion...........imo :ashamed:
If you havent got a mk5 or never had one, get the Mk6, but as an owner of a 5, its not a step foward that justifys the cost stated above.
It kind of reminds be of the Audi S3, not everyones cuppa Tea, but appeals to some and not others.
Everyone has different thoughts on it. Everyone thats Posted HAS driven one and have all said the same.(in many examples)
If its that good, why hasnt many tabloids made bigger news of it?? nor why didnt TopGear this season Didnt even Give it a mention??
Thats my thoughts on it.
Cheaper to produce ,quicker to build (VW Say), more to pay, and now even longer to wait for one!! . The four dont add up.
Hoping the R20 isnt overpriced into the BMW price range 135.
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I'm going to take this up on the public thread and and also take a quote of yours out of context :) but all in good fun right?
Plus I'm annoying.
Firstly the bickering is hilarious... But if you look behind the skin the MK6 is not a MK5.5. It isnt even near. If you want to argue with me then please call me... Dont post it here. Or PM me.
W-e-e-ll, technically if you look behind the skin of a Mk6 it is the same as the Mk5 - they are both based on the Volkswagen AG PQ35 (A5) platform, and both platforms share common engines, gearboxes, so on and so forth.
Your statement is a bit ironic actually, because it's precisely the skin which differentiates a Mk6 from a Mk5. Every body panel and bit of glass save the windscreen and roof is different from the Mk5.
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I see you're still pissing excellence, Neo! :happy2:
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I see you're still pissing excellence, Neo! :happy2:
Don'tcha just know it :laugh:
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Keep this going guys, has been a real good read. At points i had tears pouring down my face with laughing so much.
Banter is great, well done.
Had a test drive in the MK6 and liked it. Dulled down in some ways and in others sharper. Couldnt put my finger on what though.
Iain
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Well I am moving from a mk5 r32 to a mk6 gti and I have to say I was blown away by the improvement over the mk5. Just something about it that screams better... be that interior quality, or general driving pleasure (minus the noise).
I love the MK5 it really is an awesome care and will defo own another one in years to come and Like you I've owned both and I say the mk6 gti is a better car than the mk5 gti, its my opinion of course. Given that the MK5 was treated as the creation of the devil back in 2004 its hardly surprising that the mk6 receives the same reaction.
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I don't know about Mk6. No desire to explore the improvements, as I totally dislike the exterior looks. Front is ugly, back is even uglier (those hideous rear lights a-la-Touareg-the-truck).
My current Mk5 Ed30 will be my first and probably last GTI for the rest of my life.
Not just because I like to move on to new different things.
It is also the build quality of VW that puts me off. After 2.5 years of driving Ed30 it creaks and rattles all over the place. Of course, I've changed suspension and it is now a significantly harder ride, but nonetheless.
I have problems with torsional rigidity lately, when I turn left/right over the curbs (like on a side road, or to a gas station) I hear how plastic in the sides of the car creaks. :sick: It is terribly disappointing. :sad1:
The car is fast enough (for FWD), especially after Stage2+, I really dig the exterior and the interior looks. The driver seat is fantastic, the layout inside is very nice. But all these pluses do not diminish the embarrassing build quality.
VW may produce nice GTIs, but I would not take a chance on a car when I am afraid that in a year's time after purchase it starts "to unglue" internally.
So next - something sport and BWD, probably V8 M3.
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If you can afford to wait, wait for the next M3 as I've heard it will have turbo power, so lots of headroom for improving on the performance :happy2:
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A turbo'd M3 < Now that sounds very interesting! 2-door coupe please. I could easily go back to a BMW before I retire from driving. Very tail-happy at times though.
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A turbo'd M3 < Now that sounds very interesting! 2-door coupe please. I could easily go back to a BMW before I retire from driving. Very tail-happy at times though.
It'll be a turbo V6. Everyone's cutting back.
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V6 is good! First mod would be a Milly.
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I wonder how turbo'd BMW's cope with stop/go technology?
Surely spinning up the turbo and then cutting the power at the next junction that comes up isn't a good thing for Turbo longevity!!!! :surprised:
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Oh no! Are BMW doing that stop/go stuff like Audi's? Personally I hate all these so-called 'driving aids' and 'eco measures' - Drive no faster than 60mph, drive 5 miles a week less, Don't worry your car will do xyz automatically for you so you can go back to sleep, etc etc. :fighting:
Call me 'old skool' or say I'm talking like a 60yo, but the more car manufacturers introduce such stuff the more we become Comfortably Numb (excellent Pink Floyd song) and miss the enjoyment of driving.
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Couldn't agree more Robin! :happy2:
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@Robin: BMW were actually the first manufacturer to introduce engine stop-start on their vehicles.
I wonder how turbo'd BMW's cope with stop/go technology?
Surely spinning up the turbo and then cutting the power at the next junction that comes up isn't a good thing for Turbo longevity!!!! :surprised:
Why? With a small first stage turbo it will be barely spinning at idle anyway; stopping the engine will just wind it down, and restarting will just wind it up (very very quickly - quicker than it will take you to get your foot off the clutch). With new(ish) ceramic bearing technology which is practically frictionless it won't detract from the life of a turbocharger. Remember, there have been stop-start diesels for ages now (at least two years).
That's not to say I like stop start - if I want to turn the car off, I'll turn the car off; but with fuel injection and other technologies it won't add any extra wear to an engine.
I'll leave it to the hair-shirt brigade.
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I expect that a future generation of our beloved GTI may have this stop/start technology. I understand the theory of why it's considered a beneficial feature to have, BUT.. The bottom line for me is simply the feeling of an engine 'switching itself off' at junction or traffic lights. It's the fear of whether it will restart.
Being at a standstill and hearing your engine running is an extra opportunity to know that all is sounding as it's running healthily.
To be fair I haven't driven a car with this feature but I'm not attracted to it.
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I'm sure you can disable it on the BMW's if you wanted.
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I'm sure you can disable it on the BMW's if you wanted.
I believe there's a button so Red and I don't need to worry just yet.
Nevertheless, it's only software - all it will take is one industrious hacker to disable the feature and no worries.
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There is indeed a button on the BMW's! The only slightly annoying thing is that you will have to turn it off everytime you start the car for that day, i.e. it doesn't remember that you turned it off if you turn the engine off yourself!
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Re: Turbo BMW M cars, the new M5 is going to be turbo charged and will be a derivative of the V8 T from the X5/X6 M