MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: ARV_90 on April 15, 2013, 06:04:31 pm

Title: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 15, 2013, 06:04:31 pm
I have ordered some 20mm H+R lowering springs today and was wondering if the front camber will need to be adjusted, If so do you have to buy adjustable top mounts to do it or is there any adjustment points as std.  Also am i right in thinking that the rear camber will not change as it is a trailing arm system and doesn't change when the ride height goes up or down.... cheers.
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ukshaun on April 15, 2013, 10:14:28 pm
this might help?

http://forum.wheel-whores.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=15189
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 16, 2013, 12:00:52 pm
Thanks for the link but... Looks like he had fun.

I am more concerned with the need to adjusting the front camber when the springs are actually fitted ... Can the camber be adjusted on a std car ?
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: alfboden on April 16, 2013, 03:18:37 pm
I'd also like to know!
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: JoeDarKa on April 19, 2013, 07:27:12 am
Take it to any good geometry 4 wheel alignment place and they will sort it put for you
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: detailer on April 19, 2013, 07:39:56 am
Awesome do 4 wheel alignment for £99 and there customer service is spot on  :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: alfboden on April 19, 2013, 08:36:03 am
Take it to any good geometry 4 wheel alignment place and they will sort it put for you
Thanks, so there is enough adjustability in the stock setup to dial out the increased camber from springs.
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 20, 2013, 05:30:19 pm
 /\/\/\   I was supposed to fit my springs today but other things came up  :sad1: (friend has a garage with a 2 post lift)  I will have to wait until next Saturday now but I will let you know when we get into it but I have a feeling the camber is not adjustable on a std GTI .... could be wrong though...

A 4 wheel alignment just sets the "toe in" to be straight with the steering wheel and back wheels doesn't it...

Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: JoeDarKa on April 20, 2013, 09:41:40 pm
The camber increase with lowering springs would be very small. I didnt get mine aligned for months following my springs and ended up with inner tread wear. Got it aligned properly and now the inner wear has disappeared
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 20, 2013, 10:07:27 pm
As your probably aware, front camber isn't adjustable as standard on the GTI. I had H&R springs on my GTI, and after alignment setup my camber was well within tolerance  :happy2:

The lowering springs did put a fair bit of camber on the rear, but fortunately that is adjustable  :wink:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 09:09:38 am
As your probably aware, front camber isn't adjustable as standard on the GTI. I had H&R springs on my GTI, and after alignment setup my camber was well within tolerance  :happy2:

The lowering springs did put a fair bit of camber on the rear, but fortunately that is adjustable  :wink:

Thanks for the replies guys, I am just a bit concerned that the extra camber will cause inner tyre ware as I have just had 4 new F1's fitted... I have access to a 4 wheel laser alignment kit and have had that set up.

Kinda confused as people are saying a 4 wheel alignment will stop the ware... so how are they altering the front camber if it's not adjustable... Or are they just setting up the 4 wheel alignment.
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 21, 2013, 09:16:01 am
Running lots of camber is fine so long as the toe is setup well..... if you run lots of camber and lots of toe then youll go thru tyres very quickly
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 10:05:59 am
Yeh maybe I am worrying about nothing as 20 odd mm is not a lot...  I can make sure the 4 wheel alignment is spot on  :smiley: cant wait to get them fitted and loose the tractor look though, makes the car have a much nicer stance.
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 10:12:14 am
As your probably aware, front camber isn't adjustable as standard on the GTI. I had H&R springs on my GTI, and after alignment setup my camber was well within tolerance  :happy2:

The lowering springs did put a fair bit of camber on the rear, but fortunately that is adjustable  :wink:

Im not aware fella that's why i am asking you guy's  :grin:  So the back camber is adjustable... As said before I think I may be worrying about it to much, Cant wait to get them on and see  :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 21, 2013, 10:14:38 am
Correct... rear camber is adjustable.

I will be very very interested to see what you think to them regarding ride quality vs stock springs.  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 10:40:44 am
Me to Rich... have you fitted spring's ?  I find the ride quite firm on my car and just hope the H+R springs don't go to far for me... but the only way to find out is to fit them and see as we all have different views on what is hard and not, Kinda getting on a bit now so a teeth jarring ride wont be for me, Although I do still have my own :-) But cant wait to see  :smiley:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: alfboden on April 21, 2013, 10:43:24 am
Correct... rear camber is adjustable.

I will be very very interested to see what you think to them regarding ride quality vs stock springs.  :popcornsoda:
Me too!
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 21, 2013, 10:45:25 am
Maybe......  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 11:43:40 am
Why is it a secret ?
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 21, 2013, 11:46:05 am
Correct... rear camber is adjustable.

I will be very very interested to see what you think to them regarding ride quality vs stock springs.  :popcornsoda:
Me too!

With a bit of luck I will get them on next week and let you know if they are to firm for me... if they are they will be coming off   :wink:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 27, 2013, 07:06:16 pm
Correct... rear camber is adjustable.

I will be very very interested to see what you think to them regarding ride quality vs stock springs.  :popcornsoda:
Me too!

With a bit of luck I will get them on next week and let you know if they are to firm for me... if they are they will be coming off   :wink:

Finally got them fitted today.... After a fight with one of the anti roll bar drop link mounting nuts... Always one.

Certainly looks much better and I'm really happy with the height although it may settle a bit yet. As for the ride I think it's better than std, seems to be more of a progressive firmness rather than just hard...worried over nothing... Going to let them settle for a week or so then do the 4 wheel alignment checked.
Can't say if they have added any noticeable extra camber to either back or front.... Will keep an eye on the tyres anyway.

Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 27, 2013, 08:28:00 pm
Interesting.......  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: kahunajb on April 28, 2013, 03:28:04 pm
Pics?
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 28, 2013, 07:22:45 pm
couple of bad quality pics... 10 mins after being dropped back on its feet... plus its dirty  :smiley: I have just spent 2 hours cleaning it and it's back in the garage as it's now peeing down here, Get some better shots later in the week.

looking at it today I think it has gone down a tad more on the front, Certainly looks a hundred times better though  :wink:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff229%2FBesidog%2Flowered1_zpsa3df567c.jpg&hash=99dfbb45d666a0715ef29c42516b5a6ea8a2b5f8)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff229%2FBesidog%2Flowered2_zpscda69fa5.jpg&hash=b6d30aa9f3b059a7d626efec13be526848881f2a)
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2013, 07:44:59 pm
Are those the 29176-1 ones?
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 28, 2013, 07:56:32 pm
Are those the 29176-1 ones?

Yes m8  :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2013, 07:57:18 pm
 :happy2: :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2013, 07:58:00 pm
HOw does it drive now?
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 28, 2013, 08:08:14 pm
Its fine m8... I have been out for a good drive today and I'm happy with them... they are a bit firmer than the std springs you can tell more so when pushing on but normal driving hardly notice, If they were to much I would be taking them off as it's not much of a job to do when you have access to a lift and kit but like I say they are fine. Im the wrong side of 40 so any banging and bouncing about and they would of been off.
where do you live... you are more than welcome to take a ride for yourself.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2013, 08:11:50 pm
Sok.....  :happy2:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: ARV_90 on April 28, 2013, 08:13:52 pm
Lol sok... whats that  :smiley:
Title: Re: Fitting H+R 20mm lowering springs.
Post by: rich83 on April 28, 2013, 08:15:37 pm
Ill find out what they are like soon....  :happy2: