MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: 18Edition30 on April 26, 2013, 08:35:36 pm
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Anyone have a Revo stage 1 graph and a R Tech stage 1 graph I can look at to compare?
Initially heading towards revo bit all the reviews keep cropping up for R Tech had a few emails with nick and seems very knowledgeable on the 2.0TFSi.
Just wanted to compare graphs for stage 1 edition 30s to see any differences.
Cheers
Will
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Have a look in here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16977.0.html
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Why not try shark? Get good results from the ko4
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Have a look in here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16977.0.html
Saw a couple stage 1 revos in there, can't see r tech stage 1 though unless I've missed it?
Anyone got one I could look out, must be someone!
Will
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Stage 1 R-tech ( i think)
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They both seem to reach similar power levels. But r tech seems smoother and less spiky with torque.
So come on guys which seems quicker on the road? Revo or R Tech?
Opinions please!
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My Revo stage 1 RR @ rtech.... 311 peak!
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They both seem to reach similar power levels. But r tech seems smoother and less spiky with torque.
So come on guys which seems quicker on the road? Revo or R Tech?
Opinions please!
Do bear in mind no two R-Tech maps are the same, it's a CUSTOM map to suit the hardware & characteristics of YOUR car. You could ask for a curve that's identical to a Revo map if you wanted :grin:
Main thing to remember is that Nick won't stop until your happy with the way it drives. Simples :happy2:
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It's just so hard to decide! Lol
Better to try both and then decide!
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It's just so hard to decide! Lol
Better to try both and then decide!
I really don't see why :confused:
Do a list of pro's & cons for each. Not forgetting price :wink: the answer will become obvious :grin:
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Toss a coin!
I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed by either. :happy2:
I went with REVO (My car is the picture on their site for the Pirelli) before I knew about R-Tech. I lived in Nuneaton at the time. Hinckley is a lot closer than Daventry so things probably would have been different.
If you decide on REVO, wait for a discount (Twice per year i think). It will bring the prices a little closer together.
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All R-Tech maps as custom and carried out on our rolling road over a 2-3hour tuning session. The R-Tech map is the only map on the market to have TIV(TM) mapping which on its own merits transforms the drivability of the car even on a stock map just adding the TIV(TM) code makes the world of difference.
Stage 1-2 and 3 maps can be fully custom setup to how the customer wants, huge kick ass torque or a ruler line liner power delivery which pins you in the seat up to the rev limiter giving the driver a huge grin factor.. Peak numbers are one part of tuning but area under the curve is the biggest factor. Bigger numbers don't mean better Performsnce http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,65077.0.html
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It's just so hard to decide! Lol
Better to try both and then decide!
I really don't see why :confused:
Do a list of pro's & cons for each. Not forgetting price :wink: the answer will become obvious :grin:
I know R-Tech are the bees knees at the minute but you need to back off a little Graeme, and let people make there own choices you are getting like the APR fan bouys. You take over every thread about mapping now and it is getting unhealthy. If you feel the need to constantly tell people about the virtues of R-Tech can you just PM some of the members you want to convince. :drinking:
And before this turns into a handbag fight i have no problem with R-Tech, it is just becoming unhealthy. :smiley:
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+ 1 For R-Tech
R-Tech rely on the likes of Graeme as they dont spend thousands upon thousands on advertising like other popular choices available in the remap industry. I would also like to point the OP in the direction because if you are new to this it is hard to see past all the sales & advetisement of the big names.
I've been to other tuners, which include Revo, Bluefin & Chipped UK (Viezu) (and more with other manufacturers vehicles) and I havent made the same mistake since. Unless you live a million miles away from R-Tech I would thorougly recommend you pay them a visit for the best customer service, the fact they actually do a full diagnostic check of your vehicle and provide you with a custom map to suit your vehicle.
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R-Tech rely on the likes of Graeme as they dont spend thousands upon thousands on advertising like other popular choices available in the remap industry. I would also like to point the OP in the direction because if you are new to this it is hard to see past all the sales & advetisement of the big names.
Erm! you need to keep it in the context of this forum, no companies are allowed to advertise on here :confused:. :happy2:
This is not a debate about which is best, everything that is healthy in life has a balance. :happy2:
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It's just so hard to decide! Lol
Better to try both and then decide!
I really don't see why :confused:
Do a list of pro's & cons for each. Not forgetting price :wink: the answer will become obvious :grin:
I know R-Tech are the bees knees at the minute but you need to back off a little Graeme, and let people make there own choices you are getting like the APR fan bouys. You take over every thread about mapping now and it is getting unhealthy. If you feel the need to constantly tell people about the virtues of R-Tech can you just PM some of the members you want to convince. :drinking:
And before this turns into a handbag fight i have no problem with R-Tech, it is just becoming unhealthy. :smiley:
TC - noted :drinking:
As said above, everyone has an opinion over what product has worked best for them and the reasons why so was purely following the spirit in which the forum is designed to work. I'm not on commission (Nick doesn't even do maps for the car I have currently :grin:) and I hope none of my posts can be seen as "pushy". I've taken the approach of presenting the facts and letting people make their own choices - I hope this thread is a shining example of that.
Suggesting the OP weighs up the pro's & cons (I thought) is a sensible way for someone to make a decision? - the particular post you chose to pick up on.
I'm happy to have helped a small honest business, saved people money and have helped people get something they are really pleased with - haven't seen anyone moan that they've been sold a cod :grin:
As you said above, you I'm constantly taking over each thread and not letting people make their own choices so will take a back seat from now on :ashamed:
Apologies to the OP for this thread going off topic :sad1: I'm of the opinion that Mods ought to have these conversations over PM rather than take the subject off topic.
Graeme
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R-Tech rely on the likes of Graeme as they dont spend thousands upon thousands on advertising like other popular choices available in the remap industry. I would also like to point the OP in the direction because if you are new to this it is hard to see past all the sales & advetisement of the big names.
Erm! you need to keep it in the context of this forum, no companies are allowed to advertise on here :confused:. :happy2:
This is not a debate about which is best, everything that is healthy in life has a balance. :happy2:
Can I get my own R-Tech section like the other tuners on here ? ;-). That way I can add all my finding and keep my advise ect on one section??
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It's worth bearing in mine REVO graphs will be very different too, depending on how the owner/tuner has set up the map with the SPS settings.
Some people want that hit of torque, so ask for it. Some people want a more linear map, so ask for it. Some people like to play around and have everything and all in between, so get an SPS and play.
So in many ways REVO is customisable too, only you have that control, rather than going back and forth to a tuner.
Just giving some balance. :happy2:
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Cheers so far guys.
All opinions help.
Just need to decide wether it's linear I want all the way to redline or pure aggression but breaking traction all the time....hmmm might have to change driving style!
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REVO can be setup either way.... Big punch low down or more progressive power.
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So could you have best of both worlds bit of low down punch but pull all way to redline? :smiley:
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There'll be thousands of possible setups, all controlled by the SPS or your local REVO dealer. I saved 3 bespoke maps to my SPS and could switch between road, track and 1/4 mile
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Revo may be be all well and good. But it certainly isn't worth twice as much as its best competition in Rtech's remap setup for your own cars capabilities IMO.
And most importantly set up with no risk to someone that my not know what each setting may do on a settings switch..
Worth contemplating to a purchaser which to go for.
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There's enough safe headroom to ensure no damage can occur by setting it up 'full retard'. Any REVO dealer will discuss a customer's requirements, set some base maps around this and teach them how to use the SPS.
There's also a wealth of knowledge and info on here too.
As for cost. Well that's a matter of opinion. Do you buy the cheapest of everything?
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You also goto think about travel / cost if any problems arise.
Revo was local to me so my choice was done.. yes if Rtech was around the corner I would of gone for them.
Having said that, I now have WMI fitted and i can adjust to benefit it. If i had an Rtech map i would had to travel 2 hours away (fuel costs, and pay again for his time).
Which is faster ??? It can totally depend on engine, and what mods you have on.
I can clearly state my Revo stage2+ ed30 200cell is faster then my mates Apr software stage2+ ed30 with decat.
I would like to go and see Rtech and see what he can do as i do believe he can make the car faster then what i can tune to on the Revo software but travel / time is stopping me.
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Do you buy the cheapest of everything?
:signLOL:
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Do you buy the cheapest of everything?
:signLOL:
:indifferent:
dearest doesn't always mean the best either.. You bought a BMW
Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:
I see it as being savvy and not spending out for the sake of someone saying its twice the cost and you get twice the thrills.
You also goto think about travel / cost if any problems arise.
Revo was local to me so my choice was done.. yes if Rtech was around the corner I would of gone for them.
Having said that, I now have WMI fitted and i can adjust to benefit it. If i had an Rtech map i would had to travel 2 hours away (fuel costs, and pay again for his time).
Which is faster ??? It can totally depend on engine, and what mods you have on.
I can clearly state my Revo stage2+ ed30 200cell is faster then my mates Apr software stage2+ ed30 with decat.
I would like to go and see Rtech and see what he can do as i do believe he can make the car faster then what i can tune to on the Revo software but travel / time is stopping me.
then of course geographies comes into any decision.. So I drove 2.5 hours to save myself £500 in cost difference, between a DSG remap and engine remap from someone closer.. This would also factor into any decision I make , whether its cheaper or not.
Feedback also makes my decision aswell, so we are all guilty of trying to help others make a choice when it comes to what's best.
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Thanks for the replies guys.
So people don't think revo is worth twice as much?
And it can be on the aggressive side for traction even with correct set up?
Revo is 20 miles from me and r tech is 100 miles. I don't mind travelling if its the best, and again don't mind paying for revo if its best.
Apparently r tech is better for drive ability.
Just trying to get some opinions together.
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If i come back to a 2.0TFSI I reckon id be happy to give R-TEC a punt, they seem to be doing some good work recently. And from what i remember reading previously, they also have some form of switch-ability that can be carried out whilst driving.
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Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:
Yes Carl and myself did. VAT free. :happy2:
Do all you R-Tech fanboy's sign a deal to spam every "Which Remap?" thread when you pay, if you pay, for it? :popcornsoda:
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I had Revo put on my DSG Edition
over an existing R-Tech one :grin:
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I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly. :confused:
At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.
No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.
FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.
All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters. :smiley:
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Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:
Yes Carl and myself did. VAT free. :happy2:
Do all you R-Tech fanboy's sign a deal to spam every "Which Remap?" thread when you pay, if you pay, for it? :popcornsoda:
No , just people like to give feedback when great customer service is given. Is there now a law on a public forum against this now? :confused:
I'm all for VAT free cars, I bought my Brand new Hyundai i10 vat free aswell. So I guess yes I buy always cheap, but it certainly does the job I wanted it for :happy2:
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Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:
Yes Carl and myself did. VAT free. :happy2:
Do all you R-Tech fanboy's sign a deal to spam every "Which Remap?" thread when you pay, if you pay, for it? :popcornsoda:
When you stumble across something good, most of us on the forum want to share it with the rest if you. Goodyear Eagle Assy's get a good review from me on pretty much every tyre thread - promise you Goodyear don't give them to me for free :popcornsoda:
Anyhoo, the facts are out there in the many reviews and dyno graphs out there. . .
We are all never going to agree that one remap is better than the other, everyone wants different things (anti-theft & a fancy switching device) others just want a quality map, customer service for a decent price. ETTO and fair enough :drinking:
Nuff said.
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I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly. :confused:
At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.
No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.
FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.
All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters. :smiley:
It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise :happy2:
Was it because you realised it was sh*t??
If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.
So which is it?
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dearest doesn't always mean the best either.. You bought a BMW
The amazing thing is, I got all that car for a lot less than a Golf R or S3 - and a hell of a lot less than the RS3 it trounced in Harris' test..... So no, dearest isn't best :signLOL:
Thanks for the replies guys.
So people don't think revo is worth twice as much?
And it can be on the aggressive side for traction even with correct set up?
Revo is 20 miles from me and r tech is 100 miles. I don't mind travelling if its the best, and again don't mind paying for revo if its best.
Apparently r tech is better for drive ability.
Just trying to get some opinions together.
No, people for who cost is the major factor in deciding which map to buy think Revo isn't worth twice as much. You'd find everyone with Revo would tell you it's worth every penny. This really is your call, only you know what's important to you, as it's your money.
R-Tech are doing great work and have a lot of happy customers. I wouldn't rubbish them, if they weren't good, they wouldn't be in business. I'm just trying to help you see a balanced view, rather than biased.
No, it isn't aggressive - that's urban myth. It will be if you set it up to be, which most people with a brain don't.
P.S. as Steve pointed out, I don't have a VAG. Just giving the benefit of experience, having had Revo on 4 cars, and over many years have seen and driven other's mapped cars. Some of which I was impressed with, a lot of which were junk.
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I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly. :confused:
At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.
No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.
FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.
All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters. :smiley:
It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise :happy2:
Was it because you realised it was sh*t??
If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.
So which is it?
Neither :P
Nice try though :signLOL:
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I had Revo put on my DSG Edition
over an existing R-Tech one :grin:
Dare I ask how you found them both? Lol
Will
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Cheers lads, great to have different opinions, makes my research easier!
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Cheers lads, great to have different opinions, makes my research easier!
Either way, a remap is a remap :smiley: and will be better than stock. . . .you won't be disappointed with either. That I think we will all agree on :drinking:
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I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly. :confused:
At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.
No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.
FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.
All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters. :smiley:
It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise :happy2:
Was it because you realised it was sh*t??
If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.
So which is it?
Neither :P
Nice try though :signLOL:
Are you sure it was neither??????? :popcornsoda:
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Back to the original question.... Graph comparisons between tuners.
Graphs are great, they give an indication of flat out performance and shape of the power curves but what they don't show is how well the car drives.
During development we made 80+ different maps for the N54 BMW engine, they all made similar peak power and torque and the curves very similar but some were great to drive, others were terrible with snappy throttle response and mid range flat spots, some had very eager low rpm boost which would cause a surging feel, some would work hideously badly with the auto box, but great on manuals.
Back on the day when the Vaux Z20LET was all the rage, we had 2 maps that people could try before they paid, a high power map (boost brought in later and linear throttle which meant the throttle had to be used with high rpm) for the bhp number chasers and a high torque map (lots of low/mid throttle power and much better as a road car) for people that wanted a really quick car in the real world. We often flashed both onto the car for testing without telling them which was which, everyone preferred the high torque map, many refused to believe it made less BHP.
We have lots of customers that have both ours and Revos TFSi software, both make similar power curves but very different to drive, Revo has lots of power at low throttle, ours don't (unless the customer requests it) some preferred Revo, Some preferred ours.
So the power graphs are only a small element to look at when choosing a map, unless there's a huge difference in numbers.
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Back to the original question.... Graph comparisons between tuners.
Graphs are great, they give an indication of flat out performance and shape of the power curves but what they don't show is how well the car drives.
During development we made 80+ different maps for the N54 BMW engine, they all made similar peak power and torque and the curves very similar but some were great to drive, others were terrible with snappy throttle response and mid range flat spots, some had very eager low rpm boost which would cause a surging feel, some would work hideously badly with the auto box, but great on manuals.
Back on the day when the Vaux Z20LET was all the rage, we had 2 maps that people could try before they paid, a high power map (boost brought in later and linear throttle which meant the throttle had to be used with high rpm) for the bhp number chasers and a high torque map (lots of low/mid throttle power and much better as a road car) for people that wanted a really quick car in the real world. We often flashed both onto the car for testing without telling them which was which, everyone preferred the high torque map, many refused to believe it made less BHP.
We have lots of customers that have both ours and Revos TFSi software, both make similar power curves but very different to drive, Revo has lots of power at low throttle, ours don't (unless the customer requests it) some preferred Revo, Some preferred ours.
So the power graphs are only a small element to look at when choosing a map, unless there's a huge difference in numbers.
Cheers PDT
I want driveability as well as a quick road car.
U say about the vaux engine......my mate has stage 3 vxr running 312bhp and 330 lbft would a mapped 300bhp Eddie be far off that?
WillWill
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Revo stage 1 at my local dealer with ITG intake, hits torque early I thought? Seems to hold on long as well. Looks pretty impressive.
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Says at the top Revo Stage 2 :laugh:
Figures are far to good for any stage one map (except maybe AMD :wink:)
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I was sure its stage 1 just with added ITG intake.
I thought some revo cars make around 310bhp stage 1, so with an intake, why not?
Also stage 2 cars are running between 330 and 340 bhp I thought?
Stage 2+ even more...correct me if I'm wrong though mate
r tech made 311bhp stage 1 did they not?
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My revo stage 1 + evoms makes 311 (on rtechs rolling road)
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My revo stage 1 + evoms makes 311 (on rtechs rolling road)
Exactly.
So 317 with ITG and on different rollers can't be too far out?
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I need more sleep :indifferent:
Thought you had a K03 GTI and I looked at the WHP figure instead of engine :grin: epic fail. . .
Yeah I supose thats about right for a K04 Stage 1 with an intake. :happy2:
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My revo stage 1 + evoms makes 311 (on rtechs rolling road)
Thought yours was 289 mate?
On the lookout for an ITG now to complement before I go for it
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Iv ran 314 Bhp with just a stage 1 bluefin map on decent rollers which took me back got an evoms coming and going to a different rr so can only wait n see.
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Iv ran 314 Bhp with just a stage 1 bluefin map on decent rollers which took me back got an evoms coming and going to a different rr so can only wait n see.
On a good set of rollers, it won't be 314 at stage 1 . 280 at best with just a remap.Add another 10-15 for an Evoms on top.
I had 315, with Twintake, and full milltek on a decent set of rollers with bluefin Stage 2 :signLOL:
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Thing Is though it was a vag/seat day with over 30 cars running, All standard cars ran standard figures 2 stage 2+ revo Leon cupra r ran 360/364 Bhp a golf r ran 365 with apr stage 2+ apr partly why I want to try somewhere else and see the outcome.In no way am I bragging I to find it hard to believe as iv herd bluefin is low powerd compaired to others so will soon see from another rr
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Thing Is though it was a vag/seat day with over 30 cars running, All standard cars ran standard figures 2 stage 2+ revo Leon cupra r ran 360/364 Bhp a golf r ran 365 with apr stage 2+ apr partly why I want to try somewhere else and see the outcome.In no way am I bragging I to find it hard to believe as iv herd bluefin is low powerd compaired to others so will soon see from another rr
It's not low powered as some people say, Infact torque wise its just as aggressive as other tuners maps.
1.4 bar boost and 1.7 bar boost stage 2 isn't exactly soft on the turbo via one of their remaps :surprised
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Iv ran 314 Bhp with just a stage 1 bluefin map on decent rollers which took me back got an evoms coming and going to a different rr so can only wait n see.
On a good set of rollers, it won't be 314 at stage 1 . 280 at best with just a remap.Add another 10-15 for an Evoms on top.
I had 315, with Twintake, and full milltek on a decent set of rollers with bluefin Stage 2 :signLOL:
Rtechs rolling road must be sh*t then if I made 311...... Stage 1 REVO (ftmfw)
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Thing Is though it was a vag/seat day with over 30 cars running, All standard cars ran standard figures 2 stage 2+ revo Leon cupra r ran 360/364 Bhp a golf r ran 365 with apr stage 2+ apr partly why I want to try somewhere else and see the outcome.In no way am I bragging I to find it hard to believe as iv herd bluefin is low powerd compaired to others so will soon see from another rr
Only by no more then 10bhp in compatible remaps (from viewing experience at RR days)
Ask any tuner about gains from just software and no other mods, and they will say around 50bhp at best (k04) and around 40bhp (k03).
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Iv ran 314 Bhp with just a stage 1 bluefin map on decent rollers which took me back got an evoms coming and going to a different rr so can only wait n see.
On a good set of rollers, it won't be 314 at stage 1 . 280 at best with just a remap.Add another 10-15 for an Evoms on top.
I had 315, with Twintake, and full milltek on a decent set of rollers with bluefin Stage 2 :signLOL:
Rtechs rolling road must be sh*t then if I made 311...... Stage 1 REVO (ftmfw)
Mine was within 7bhp on R-Techs to JKM'S rollers. James made exactly the same power & torque across R-Techs and JKM's rollers.
Does this thread really need to be another dyno lottery debate though. . . . :chicken:
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I made 399.99.5478954 ahp on vinces magical rollers at stealth!! :signLOL:
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MY ED30 stage 2 made 316bhp (Jabba Custom map, BCS TBE, Volant intake), I think 340-350 is only for stage 2+ cars (need Fuel pump and/or intercooler).
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my stg 2+ went from 319bhp to 361bhp on PDT rollers but they found boost leak and added twintercooler and upped timing to 6 so i guess most of the extra 42 horsies was down to the boost leak but not sure..