MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: veedubbubh on August 01, 2009, 03:48:49 pm
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Any advice on brake upgrades?
Nothing silly people please - I use this car as a car not as garage jewellery or as a mobile sound system!
OEM brakes are not good enough at high speed and too grabby at low.
On OEM 17inch rims so upgrades have to fit in these.
Thank-you.
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i fitted the Audi S3 front and back and i must say for fast road they are amazing compared to the standard edition 30 ones. they have some serious grab, i would even say they are better than the porsche ones i had on my TT and they were a lot more money. dunno about track use but for the road i would recomend
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AP Racing BBKit fit the Monza 17's but they now cost about £1,800 for 4-pot fronts. About 85% of the braking on the Mk5 GTI is on the front and the car isn't heavy enough to warrant more.
Unless you are doing loads of track I would suggest that you need only upgrade your fronts and only need 4-pot. The main problem with the oem brakes is the pedal feel (not confidence inspiring) and it is much easier to induce fade.
If you don't want to spend so much on a proper big brake kit such as AP's then there are other half-way house methods such as stainless steel braided hoses and pads. Some folks have used brakes off other VAG cars but I can't comment on those. I'm sure info on such alternatives will get posted here.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FAP_Brake_17s_1.jpg&hash=94377ca46ef4242d9c81291efb64621606343b6f)
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My TAROX 10 pot kit fits 17" with the Pro race alloys (good front clearance), but don't know if it would clear OEM 17" Monza's.
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Oh, I should have added you don't need more than 4-pots unless you drive like Hurdy! :evilgrin:
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Oh, I should have added you don't need more than 4-pots unless you drive like Hurdy! :evilgrin:
I'm sure I don't know what you mean :innocent:
Should help control those 400+ horsies when they arrive eh!
Sorry.....off topic (again :ashamed:)
TAROX do other set-ups too. The 6 pots would be spot on for the GTI. :notworthy:
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Hi guys thanx for the speedy replies - I am not into any real modifications just like to drive!
This may be a silly question but would you see any real difference in brake feel or performance by just changing out the OEM brake pads to something like Ferrodo DS2500?
Thank -you again for your help.
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What's the crack with fitting say, the brakes from an S3? Is it just a case of finding a set at a breakers and fitting them or is it loads more complicated than that? What parts need changing etc.
What could I expect to pay for something like that too?
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What's the crack with fitting say, the brakes from an S3? Is it just a case of finding a set at a breakers and fitting them or is it loads more complicated than that? What parts need changing etc.
What could I expect to pay for something like that too?
S3 and R32 have the same brake set-up :happy2:
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What's the crack with fitting say, the brakes from an S3? Is it just a case of finding a set at a breakers and fitting them or is it loads more complicated than that? What parts need changing etc.
What could I expect to pay for something like that too?
S3 and R32 have the same brake set-up :happy2:
they are similar but not the same, they look very different, but bassically do the same job, ie same pads and discs.
you need the calipers inc carriers and discs and hoses for the front and its a straight swap, i used the dust guards too but ive heard you can use the gti front ones but you need the guards for the rear, but not the hoses for the rear
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s3 and r32 and leon cupra are the same brakes just colour change :smiley: i buy sets all the time from VW
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s3 and r32 and leon cupra are the same brakes just colour change :smiley: i buy sets all the time from VW
s3 is a different caliper in shape and colour.
r32 is the same as the cupra but a different colour
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Hi,
Im currently running my edition 30 at 300bhp on std brakes, iv fitted ferodo ds2500 pads all round and can honestly say that the diference is like night and day. They gave me more than enough confidence at the nurburgring and stood up to a whole day of Oulton park on Friday. The only problem at Oulton was I could feel my brake fluid starting to boil on my very last outing. In a nutshell try fitting DS2500's all round and changing your brake fluid to a race spec one and you should have some very impressive stopping power for under £250 and half a days work.
Go one step further and have a full Cupra R setup (bigger calipers and disks), fit DS2500's to them and you will see even better stopping power and maintain your OEM look.
Im still toying with the idea of doing this myself as I cant justify spending £1,800 on my daily drive and ocassional track/ring toy (erm that could have been worded a little better)
Steve
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Hi,
Im currently running my edition 30 at 300bhp on std brakes, iv fitted ferodo ds2500 pads all round and can honestly say that the diference is like night and day. They gave me more than enough confidence at the nurburgring and stood up to a whole day of Oulton park on Friday. The only problem at Oulton was I could feel my brake fluid starting to boil on my very last outing. In a nutshell try fitting DS2500's all round and changing your brake fluid to a race spec one and you should have some very impressive stopping power for under £250 and half a days work.
Go one step further and have a full Cupra R setup (bigger calipers and disks), fit DS2500's to them and you will see even better stopping power and maintain your OEM look.
Im still toying with the idea of doing this myself as I cant justify spending £1,800 on my daily drive and ocassional track/ring toy (erm that could have been worded a little better)
Steve
Although I have shiny kit syndrome and would love a huge shiny 2 piece brake kit Im impressed with my Mk2 Cupra brakes so am going to fit braided lines, ds2500s and new discs and fluid. What fluid would you recommend??
cheers
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Hi,
Im currently running my edition 30 at 300bhp on std brakes, iv fitted ferodo ds2500 pads all round and can honestly say that the diference is like night and day. They gave me more than enough confidence at the nurburgring and stood up to a whole day of Oulton park on Friday. The only problem at Oulton was I could feel my brake fluid starting to boil on my very last outing. In a nutshell try fitting DS2500's all round and changing your brake fluid to a race spec one and you should have some very impressive stopping power for under £250 and half a days work.
Go one step further and have a full Cupra R setup (bigger calipers and disks), fit DS2500's to them and you will see even better stopping power and maintain your OEM look.
Im still toying with the idea of doing this myself as I cant justify spending £1,800 on my daily drive and ocassional track/ring toy (erm that could have been worded a little better)
Steve
....I'm wondering how the brake setup you describe will effect your oem discs in the longer term and also how it reduces the potential for brake fading as you are not changing the discs.
As I understand it, pad materials should be proven to match to disc surface materials. And brake fade isn't exclusively created from overheated fluid.
I'm just curious to learn. :smiley:
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ATE super blue is pretty much the best (apart from extortionately priced fluids like castrol SRF).
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ATE super blue is pretty much the best (apart from extortionately priced fluids like castrol SRF).
Cheers mate... *goes online shopping
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ATE super blue is pretty much the best (apart from extortionately priced fluids like castrol SRF).
i have used both and i have castrol srf in at the mo and vwr said whats this blue crap in your brake fluid when they changed the brake oil when i had the service done :laugh:
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Fair do's if you want to pay 40-50 quid a litre and change it once a year mate ;)
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Fair do's if you want to pay 40-50 quid a litre and change it once a year mate ;)
once a year is that all :laugh: 3 times now :laugh:
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Just ordered a tin of the ATE Stuff, will get some braided hoses next month and ds2500s with OEM discs in sept.
Will coincide with fitting VWR clutch kit :smiley: & 20k service by then
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Hi,
Im currently running my edition 30 at 300bhp on std brakes, iv fitted ferodo ds2500 pads all round and can honestly say that the diference is like night and day. They gave me more than enough confidence at the nurburgring and stood up to a whole day of Oulton park on Friday. The only problem at Oulton was I could feel my brake fluid starting to boil on my very last outing. In a nutshell try fitting DS2500's all round and changing your brake fluid to a race spec one and you should have some very impressive stopping power for under £250 and half a days work.
Go one step further and have a full Cupra R setup (bigger calipers and disks), fit DS2500's to them and you will see even better stopping power and maintain your OEM look.
Im still toying with the idea of doing this myself as I cant justify spending £1,800 on my daily drive and ocassional track/ring toy (erm that could have been worded a little better)
Steve
Although I have shiny kit syndrome and would love a huge shiny 2 piece brake kit Im impressed with my Mk2 Cupra brakes so am going to fit braided lines, ds2500s and new discs and fluid. What fluid would you recommend??
cheers
I run Motul RB 600F fluid on my ED 30 and all previous track cars....very stable and super high boiling point.
Again I ran this on my outing at Combe with EBC Yellows....they were fine....no fade or long pedal.
People moan about EBC's but I had never used them previously having used Tarox Carbon ceramics and Pagid Blue but the yellows were remarkable around Combe on 312mm discs.
My race friends from Tim Stiles Racing were equally impressed as was VWR today whilst testing my car for my KW set up.
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Is 2L enough for the cupra /ed30/ S3 ? Cheers
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yes thats perfect
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better brake fluid for me is next on the list
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So you can literally just remove the standard brakes and bolt the R32 etc brakes directly to the existing holes etc ? Sounds like a job even I could carry out!
I'm not really disappointed with the standard brakes but I like the look of the BIGGER brakes but wasn't prepared to spend a boat load on it. Think I'll give them pads a try tho.
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Looking at the Ferodo DS2500 pads it says 'Race' but also has some for 'Street' ? Race = better performance, less durable?
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Looking at the Ferodo DS2500 pads it says 'Race' but also has some for 'Street' ? Race = better performance, less durable?
....How long the pads last depends how heavy you are on using brakes.
AP Racing supply 'Race' DS2500's with their big brake kit and mine lasted 40k miles but I am exceptionally light on brake use, tending to use them heavily but less often than the average road driver. However, they have been selected as best to match AP's disc materials.
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Just ordered a tin of the ATE Stuff, will get some braided hoses next month and ds2500s with OEM discs in sept.
Will coincide with fitting VWR clutch kit :smiley: & 20k service by then
Where's the best place to buy them at the moment? this is an avenue I am wanting to go down.
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Just ordered a tin of the ATE Stuff, will get some braided hoses next month and ds2500s with OEM discs in sept.
Will coincide with fitting VWR clutch kit :smiley: & 20k service by then
Where's the best place to buy them at the moment? this is an avenue I am wanting to go down.
I cant remember how much I was quoted but was going to get them from my local tuner Awesome Gti
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Just ordered a tin of the ATE Stuff, will get some braided hoses next month and ds2500s with OEM discs in sept.
Will coincide with fitting VWR clutch kit :smiley: & 20k service by then
Where's the best place to buy them at the moment? this is an avenue I am wanting to go down.
I'd go for this http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-894-motul-rbf-600-factory-line-racing-brake-fluid.aspx (http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-894-motul-rbf-600-factory-line-racing-brake-fluid.aspx)- forum discount with Opie too :happy2:
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Big vote for RBF600, I've run it in all my cars.
DS2500s/A.N.Other performance pad and better fluid make a massive difference. Braided hoses will stiffen up feel too.
Possible downsides are faster wear on the wheel bearings, due to the heat and you might melt the odd CV gaitor on a really hard track day... but for a daily hack, no issues.
Stevey's car held up extremely well on Friday's fun at Oulton :happy2:
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Big vote for RBF600, I've run it in all my cars.
DS2500s/A.N.Other performance pad and better fluid make a massive difference. Braided hoses will stiffen up feel too.
Possible downsides are faster wear on the wheel bearings, due to the heat and you might melt the odd CV gaitor on a really hard track day... but for a daily hack, no issues.
Stevey's car held up extremely well on Friday's fun at Oulton :happy2:
Although I couldnt ask for any more from my std brakes and DS2500 naughty pads it worth mentioning that my calipers now look a very dull red colour, im not too bothered to be perfectly honest but i think it might be spotted by some show n shine people. Dont get me wrong there not really that bad but you can tell that the heat has been there, small price to pay though will see if t-cut helps this weekend.
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I've taken the plunge and gone for a big brake kit - 2-piece 360mm diameter discs, steel braided lines, 6 pot billeted calipers, and some 5.1 brake fluid, Ferodo DS2500 pads.
Can't wait to see what it looks like and how they perform? Got to wait 3-4 weeks before the stuff all arrives and then I got to get it fitted.
:pomppomp:
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Who makes the calipers mojo?
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Who makes the calipers mojo?
HiSpec.
Never heard of them, but I thought I'd be the guinea pig and try them out. They certainly look the part and on paper appear to be ok.
Try this link: http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/calipers.htm
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I've heard of them, they're supposed to be pretty decent stoppers. :happy2:
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i think hi-spec uses the same caliper as wilwood . i have wilwoods on my mk1 track hack and they are good
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Thanks guys! This all sounds very encouraging - It's good to hear I've made a sound choice while not going for the obvious mainstream companies.
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Hispec are a local company to me, ive dealt with them alot with parts including discs but never calipers.