MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: gazbutS3 on May 27, 2013, 07:20:38 pm
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After 5 years pretty much trouble free, considering the stick its gets, motoring had an ECL today declaring a traction control issue, went home and did a scan and got the following
Monday,27,May,2013,13:23:33:23089
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.5
Data version: 20121222
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Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 22 25 37 42 44 46 47 52 55 56 77
VIN: WAUZZZ8P38A198451 Mileage: 70980km/44104miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
22-AWD -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 907 115 H HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0050
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: AUX7Z0H3FNU09O
Coding: 01030003180F0060
Shop #: WSC 13879 664 427782
VCID: 37763BE34617B5A0D06
5 Faults Found:
000291 - Throttle Position Sensor (G69)
P0123 - 001 - Signal too High
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100001
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 70981 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.27
Time: 13:15:53
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 3992 /min
Load: 45.1 %
Speed: 62.0 km/h
Temperature: 81.0°C
Temperature: 25.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.716 V
008482 - Accelerator Position Sensor (G79)
P2122 - 002 - Signal too Low
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100010
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 70981 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.27
Time: 13:15:53
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 3992 /min
Load: 39.6 %
Speed: 62.0 km/h
Temperature: 81.0°C
Temperature: 25.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.716 V
000545 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle (G188)
P0221 - 008 - Implausible Signal
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 70981 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.27
Time: 13:15:53
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 4445 /min
Load: 50.6 %
Speed: 61.0 km/h
Temperature: 81.0°C
Temperature: 24.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
001688 - Sensor Reference Voltage C
P0698 - 002 - Too Low
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100010
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 70981 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.27
Time: 13:15:53
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 4367 /min
Load: 48.6 %
Speed: 60.0 km/h
Temperature: 81.0°C
Temperature: 24.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
005445 - Throttle Valve Controller
P1545 - 008 - Malfunction
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 70982 km
Time Indication: 0
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Load: 0.0 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 87.0°C
Temperature: 26.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 990.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.081 V
Readiness: 0000 0100
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AB HW: 1K0 907 379 AB
Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60 0102
Revision: 00H13001
Coding: 0004744
Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
VCID: 72E0CAF76DF51088278
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory
did a fault code reset and everything was fine for 10 miles or so, but when I made some progress again, the car went into limp mode and wouldn't do more than 20mph, are the faults connected and do you think it looks like another throttle body victim?????
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Yep.... Looks like another one bites the dust! :sick:
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as you might know i chewed my way through about 5 Throttlebodies, it only ended when i changed the wiring (i changed the complete wiring not only to the TB) actually the wiring is cheaper that the TB's by about 40 percent. Brian at BNAutoteknik has just fitted my last faulty revision Q TB on a 500bhp Cupra and so far it works perfectly even though i got the same faults as you :stupid:
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as you might know i chewed my way through about 5 Throttlebodies, it only ended when i changed the wiring (i changed the complete wiring not only to the TB) actually the wiring is cheaper that the TB's by about 40 percent. Brian at BNAutoteknik has just fitted my last faulty revision Q TB on a 500bhp Cupra and so far it works perfectly even though i got the same faults as you :stupid:
Shows that your issue was deffo the wiring.
I'm 100% sure all these recent ones have actually been the tb.
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Mine was the TB... cant be the wiring as the fault has not returned since. ( same with Chungster and the other 13) :grin:
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I think gaz makes it 16 total now. :signLOL:
Time to write some letters to vag me thinks.
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Get me a refund plz? :grin:
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so is the traction fault code linked to the TB problem?
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as you might know i chewed my way through about 5 Throttlebodies, it only ended when i changed the wiring (i changed the complete wiring not only to the TB) actually the wiring is cheaper that the TB's by about 40 percent. Brian at BNAutoteknik has just fitted my last faulty revision Q TB on a 500bhp Cupra and so far it works perfectly even though i got the same faults as you :stupid:
Shows that your issue was deffo the wiring.
I'm 100% sure all these recent ones have actually been the tb.
I thought the same, but the fault kept comming on the new ones i fitted after different time periods, not that i say it's deffo the wiring, just saying that there might be other reasons for the faults :happy2:
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Yep... same errors i had... ECL and ESP light on.
Is stores....
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AB HW: 1K0 907 379 AB
Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60 0102
Revision: 00H13001
Coding: 0004744
Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
VCID: 72E0CAF76DF51088278
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory
... as the result of the TB sensor error... no actual ABS issue.
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I think gaz makes it 16 total now. :signLOL:
Time to write some letters to vag me thinks.
Something simular to the TT mk2 owners with their failing window regulators?? :signLOL: :notworthy:
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Yep... same errors i had... ECL and ESP light on.
Is stores....
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-A.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AB HW: 1K0 907 379 AB
Component: ESP 4MOTION MK60 0102
Revision: 00H13001
Coding: 0004744
Shop #: WSC 06314 000 00000
VCID: 72E0CAF76DF51088278
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
013 - Check DTC Memory
... as the result of the TB sensor error... no actual ABS issue.
ah very interesting :happy2:
so what are the costs involved replacing the TB?
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Alex did mine... just under 400 supply and fit.
IIRC Alex said that the part from VW dealers is over 400 :surprised:
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Alex did mine... just under 400 supply and fit.
IIRC Alex said that the part from VW dealers is over 400 :surprised:
next question is how do I get it to Alex???, anybody know any good car transporters?
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Alex did mine... just under 400 supply and fit.
IIRC Alex said that the part from VW dealers is over 400 :surprised:
next question is how do I get it to Alex???, anybody know any good car transporters?
I hope u get it sorted Gaz :happy2:
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I have exactly the same problem, just stripped my throttle body of tonight... Pita to get the back bolts out, im not to sure how I am going to get them back in :signLOL:
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Gaz,
You can drive the car still on part throttle and off boost, just don't boot it as that will trigger the fault
So you can cruise it to Alex :happy2:
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Alex did mine... just under 400 supply and fit.
IIRC Alex said that the part from VW dealers is over 400 :surprised:
next question is how do I get it to Alex???, anybody know any good car transporters?
Is it going in limp mode straight away Gaz?
Mine went into limp mode and the next day Jim cleared the fault with vcds. The car ran fine again for quite a while.
I gave it a bit too much gas and again it went into limp.
While the engine was hot the fault wouldn't clear.
The next day I drove it carefully and it cleared on its own accord.
Have you been for a careful drive on a cold engine to see if it clears?
If it does clear....get down to AKS :happy2:
Alex can do these in his sleep now :laugh:
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I have exactly the same problem, just stripped my throttle body of tonight... Pita to get the back bolts out, im not to sure how I am going to get them back in :signLOL:
3ft socket extension from underneath....best on a lift :wink:
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matey your not joking either, that's how I got it out, had about 4 extensions hanging down threw the front end of the car, got it loosened, then was able to finish it of with just one and hand twisting it of, was not easy.
There seemed to be a pipe in the way, so had the twisty on, then extensions from that :signLOL:
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Alex did mine... just under 400 supply and fit.
IIRC Alex said that the part from VW dealers is over 400 :surprised:
next question is how do I get it to Alex???, anybody know any good car transporters?
I hope u get it sorted Gaz :happy2:
i wasable to drive the car when i had clearled the errors via vcds, and had the pc in the car while driving should it come again :happy2:
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Cheers fellas, it wouldn't clear the second time but the engine was warm, will try again tonight :happy2:
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Anybody got a part number for the throttle body....?
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06F 133 062 G
Might be a slightly different revision now.
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06F 133 062 G
Might be a slightly different revision now.
I have the Q revision fitted atm :happy2:
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I have been having a similar issue with mine and been able to put up with it for a while. It did become a pain so a new TB was ordered from TPS with the revised part number with the "Q" also. Definitely worth ringing TPS for a price and well worth haggling :wink:
Its not too bad a job to do at home on axle stands but i'd imagine its 10x easier on a lift.
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changed this today, for the revised Q item, also I noticed the old throttle body was made by siemens and the new one was made by continental, hope they have made some improvements :fighting:. Big thanks to Alex(AKS) for giving me some pointers and pointing me in the right direction for a very reasonably priced throttle body :happy2:
The job isn't to bad, I'd describe it as awkward at best, some of the tricky little tools I have from the aircraft game made things easier. Overall I'm really pleased, as what I thought was gonna be a right b@ll ache of a job and pretty expensive has worked out neither :laugh:
Thanks for the help fellas :happy2:
I'm off done the pub now for the Friday club :drinking: