MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: GTI-Ross on June 14, 2013, 05:48:13 pm
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**Edit - my problem is solved** - this thread then helped PDT and Marshall sort out his problem when had his GTD mapped
Ok, called R-Tech who said they arnt really doing the MK6 GTI maps yet as there is still a bit of risk with it.
He told me that Shark Performance are the guys to go with at the moment, anyone had a map with them on their MK6 with them.
If not, who did you go with...would prefer a company midlands or the north, cheers
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Ok, called R-Tech who said they arnt really doing the MK6 GTI maps yet as there is still a bit of risk with it.
He told me that Shark Performance are the guys to go with at the moment, anyone had a map with them on their MK6 with them.
If not, who did you go with...would prefer a company midlands or the north, cheers
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What risk? Does he mean the same as with ANY remap there is a risk. :grin:
The only thing I can think is depending on the age of the car it may have a locked ECU and they might not have the ability to unlock it or have the tools to do so. Other than that the risk is no different to any other remap (unless you go to back street bob's chip shop!)
If it helps, I have a Octavia vRS with the same 2.0TSi engine in. I have a Revo map on mine after initially trying APR. Revo can map the car no problem. I have had the Revo Map on mine now for about 12-13k miles and no issues at all.
Having used Shark in the past I personally wouldn't touch them with a barge pole!!!
Carl :happy2:
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Ok, called R-Tech who said they arnt really doing the MK6 GTI maps yet as there is still a bit of risk with it.
He told me that Shark Performance are the guys to go with at the moment, anyone had a map with them on their MK6 with them.
If not, who did you go with...would prefer a company midlands or the north, cheers
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What risk? Does he mean the same as with ANY remap there is a risk. :grin:
The only thing I can think is depending on the age of the car it may have a locked ECU and they might not have the ability to unlock it or have the tools to do so. Other than that the risk is no different to any other remap (unless you go to back street bob's chip shop!)
If it helps, I have a Octavia vRS with the same 2.0TSi engine in. I have a Revo map on mine after initially trying APR. Revo can map the car no problem. I have had the Revo Map on mine now for about 12-13k miles and no issues at all.
Having used Shark in the past I personally wouldn't touch them with a barge pole!!!
Carl :happy2:
Think he meant because he may have to remove the ECU, plus he is still stacked with the FTSI 2.0l & 1.8l
Yeah i have heard some bad stuff about Shark too. But no idea who else up north can apply a REVO map, where did you get your done, di d they take out ECU and how much did it cost?
Thanks
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The racing line in Halifax are revo dealers. Matt (owner) is a mapping whizz having spent many years offering ecutek maps for jap cars. He also has a dyno dynamics rolling road for diagnostic purposes.
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No my ECU didn't require removal. I have only heard of one Octy that had a locked ECU and that was a mid 2012 model ( I bought mine new in 2011)
I got it done at Revo HQ. I didn't pay full cost due to some issues in the past. I haven't looked for a while but it's normally just shy of £600 with VAT. GTI international is coming up soon and they normally do offers on that. :happy2:
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No my ECU didn't require removal. I have only heard of one Octy that had a locked ECU and that was a mid 2012 model ( I bought mine new in 2011)
I got it done at Revo HQ. I didn't pay full cost due to some issues in the past. I haven't looked for a while but it's normally just shy of £600 with VAT. GTI international is coming up soon and they normally do offers on that. :happy2:
where abouts is Revo HQ? and anyone else you can recommend?
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Revo HQ is in Daventry. Address and contact details:
STaSIS Revo Group
37 Lanchester Way
Royal Oak Industrial Estate
Daventry
Northamptonshire
NN11 8PH
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)1327 301901
Fax: +44 (0)1327 308180
Sales: sales@revotechnik.com
I personally would just go with Revo. If you email/ring them or go on to the locate a dealer function in their website you may find someone close to you if you're not wanting to travel to far.
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Where are you stationed mate as folk can then help you out with local revo dealers.
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I have a p-torque map on mine and mine is the same as Carls. Performance Torque are in Wolverhampton. I can highly recommend as Will has done several of my cars
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
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Im in West Yorkshire...so maybe think Statllers, think they do Revo maps :driver:
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We have been tuning the TSi for 4 years now, if you need any help/advice give us a call.
Here is our stage 1 map (graph shows 95/98 Ron fuel and stock curve)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=572906549396291&set=pb.280034348683514.-2207520000.1371239811.&type=3&theater
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Ok, called R-Tech who said they arnt really doing the MK6 GTI maps yet as there is still a bit of risk with it.
He doesnt seem interested in remapping anything other than the 1.8T and 2.0TFSI at the moment. i approached him abck along about my 1.4TSI and he wasnt interested as he likes to concentrate the 2.0TFSI. I guess thats a good thing though as it allows him to become specialised.
What it also does is give him a few years to watch what other tuners have done on any new engines/ecu's, learn from their mistakes, and find out the weakness's and what the solutions are.
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Ok, called R-Tech who said they arnt really doing the MK6 GTI maps yet as there is still a bit of risk with it.
He doesnt seem interested in remapping anything other than the 1.8T and 2.0TFSI at the moment. i approached him abck along about my 1.4TSI and he was interested as he likes to concentrate the 2.0TFSI. I guess thats a good thing though as it allows him to become specialised.
What it also does is give him a few years to watch what other tuners have done on any new engines/ecu's, learn from their mistakes, and find out the weakness's and what the solutions are.
Exactly right :happy2:
He's not looking to go into the TSi market yet, as has been said, he has enough 1.8t and 2.0tfsi to last him years.
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It makes sense. Better to have a depth of knowledge than a breadth of knowledge.
Having had Superchips, shark, APR and jabba maps on my past couple cars I know I wouldnt use Superchips or Shark ever again. Jabba are too far away from me so id discount them, id consider an APR, but in all honesty, id like to see what custom stuff Nick @ R-TECH could do for me.
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It makes sense. Better to have a depth of knowledge than a breadth of knowledge.
Having had Superchips, shark, APR and jabba maps on my past couple cars I know I wouldnt use Superchips or Shark ever again. Jabba are too far away from me so id discount them, id consider an APR, but in all honesty, id like to see what custom stuff Nick @ R-TECH could do for me.
what happened with shark?
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What happened with the PDF map ?
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Little 'Good experience' marker from me here re. 170 DPF Revo stage 1 map with AKS Tuning (Alex/vRSAlex) :happy2:
Getting on well with it, complete with SPS switch.
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It makes sense. Better to have a depth of knowledge than a breadth of knowledge.
Having had Superchips, shark, APR and jabba maps on my past couple cars I know I wouldnt use Superchips or Shark ever again. Jabba are too far away from me so id discount them, id consider an APR, but in all honesty, id like to see what custom stuff Nick @ R-TECH could do for me.
what happened with shark?
On the 2.0TFSI the stage 2 map was fantastic. I was the first to have the stage 2+ from them and it was fraught with issues, many many map revisions applied, and there were fueling issues throughout, they tried everything they could to help, could fault them on customer service, purely the mapping. Thought I would give them a second chance with my Fabia vRS. They did the R&D on mine for their software. It was absolutely rapid but suffered heatsoak substantially, however Turns out they were attempting to run 3.2 bar of boost when the maximum possible boost of the stock turbo was 2.6 bar.
I used to recommend them to people, however after a large percentage of them ended up with issues, both 2.0TFSI and 1.4TSI, not only would i no longer use them , i would also not recommend them either.
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What happened with the PDF map ?
I returned to them as I wasn't happy with the harsh engine noise compared to several other cr170's
After having another map flashed my car is very underpowered and sounds like it has a boost leak!
After flashing several other maps on it wasn't any better.
I was so fed up I asked for a refund and the car returned to standard but that was a no no!
I eventually limped home some 90 miles and have spent a few days pressure testing the whole system.
I replaced the intercooler o-ring seals which made no difference so pressure tested the intercooler and all the pipework from turbo to throttle body up to 28 psi with no leaks.
I done some research and checked turbo actuator and the vacuum side substituting air flow meter etc but car still the same.
I then emailed Sedox expressing my disappointment on wedensday and haven't heard anything since.
Vw want £72 to flash the car to standard which I need to pay and lose my original map cost.
I was going on holiday yesterday so had to bring her 54 plate leon as my car loaded up with 4 people would've been pointless.
Carbon chip tuning on another forum have offered me one of their maps for free due to this which I think speaks volumes for that company.
I wish I'd left it standard or went with Revo which I wanted originally.
To make a few things clear about what Kev has said, I understand his frustrations and we have tried everything possible to resolve the issue he has. His car was tuned on 27th of March 2013 and this is what he had to say about it:
"Just back from Sedox and the car is totally transformed.
I'll post the graphs up later but as I thought the car only made 166bhp standard and was down on torque slightly.
Finished figures were 210bhp and torque at 300ftlbs
Car goes much much better and seems to be better on fuel!
On the way home sitting on cruise at 85mph the trip was trading 50.2mpg
The total average has been sitting on 44.6mpg but after returning it has risen to 47.2mpg.
So far so good and I'm extremely pleased"
Then exactly 3 months later his engine develops a noise, he sent videos and datalogs which we spent a long time going through and comparing to other logs from stock and tuned cars. We were not able to find any issues, so pulled up his maps and compared them with lots of other 170CR tuned maps. Nothing was out of the ordinary. We got Kevs car in and spent most of the day diagnosing and testing various things as well as test driving and datalogging, although we could not hear the noise, Kev was certain there was a noise there. The car did sound like it may have a boost leak, we checked, removed and cleaned, re-installed boost hoses and the problem persisted. We gave Kev the choice of flashing the tuned file back to his car, which he wanted and he left. As he doesn't live locally there was not a huge amount more we could do for him. He did ask for a refund (we do have a 30 day money back guarantee) but after 3 months of being delighted with his car and nothing but praise for our service and product it is clear that it is a hardware fault that is causing his issue, if it was a software fault it would have been there from day 1.
Since that day we have had no contact from Kev. We carried out all the investigation work completely free of charge, I dont know what more we could have done.
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Have you had the car flashed back to stock?
Does it still make the noise?
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Hi Kev,
Have checked again and no emails from you have been received since you visited us, please re-send it if you would like us to reply. If you could also let us know what more you would like us to do then please do so. If you still want your full stock file flashed to your ECU for diagnostic purposes then I can arrange for somebody local to do this free of charge if required. As for undertray screws, any that were removed were replaced and were certainly not left here.
As for refunding you, its unfair for you to have your car tuned and then complain about not getting a refund 3 months later, we offer a 30 day money back guarantee and it was 92 days before you contacted us about a noise that you had noticed. As we have already shown, we will help you as much as possible to get to the bottom of your problem, but unless the car is here, that cant happen.
There is a mindset in this country (that our dealers in other countries don't ever see) where if your car gets tuned, every fault that you ever experience will be the fault of the 'map' and if its not fixed immediately, for free then a refund is expected.
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Battery reset clears certain emissions 'learned' data, it also cycles (opens and closes) various emissions components. Electronically controlled components will cycle upon ignition (throttle body etc), vacuum operated components will cycle upon engine start, this is why some cars will stall after the first start you do after a battery reset, its the engine opening and closing things like EGR/swirl flaps etc...
look in vagcom at the readiness blocks and also check for fault codes.
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If you need any help in the future just ask, I advise everyone to ring for tech support rather than email. Mark monitors emails but only when he gets a chance between jobs and then its passed on to me and I usually look at them in the evening as im busy with ECU's and software all day.
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So if car is back to standard and no boost leak or knocking noise....are you confirming it was the map?
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YOu have to bear in mind a remap will highlight an issue that is there even if the stock map doesnt. It doesn't mean that its necessarily the map.
Case in point is diverter valves on the 2.0TFSI. How many people have blamed the map when it was purely a boost leak?
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Have you had the car flashed back to stock?
Does it still make the noise?
Been away for the weekend so not yet.
So if car is back to standard and no boost leak or knocking noise....are you confirming it was the map?
So i doubt it.
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and when the 1.4 tsi engines started falling to bits, everyone blamed maps but stock ones were suffering the same failures. The early days of 1.8t tuning when coilpacks were dying within days of the remap, Injector faults on the 170ppd that turned out to be a recall, Boost issues and ABS lights on the Focus St 225 that turned out to be faulty MAF's, Low boost on the PD130's that is almost always a gunked up MAP sensor, .... it always gets blamed on the map but it almost always is an underlying issue.
In this case we knew it wasnt a software fault because we have 14 other 170cr engines with the exact same software and hardware versions that we compared Kevs map with and all were within a few percent of eachother, we dont re-use maps but find that when we finish tuning a stock car with the same stage tune that the changes we have made within the maps are always very similar. This is a good thing because it means that fault diagnosis is easier and we know what has been altered and by how much.
In Kevs case we also upgraded him to the latest software version for his ECU that we have, this is what stopped the noise he was getting at low RPM. The new vag 170CR software demands a lower rail pressure when pulling awa, they have also lowered rail pressure demands on the 1.6CR for a very similar issue.
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What's even more strange is
I've just got back and went to my car which I'd disconnected the battery on before I left( thought I'd give it a try)
Only to find the car drives fine and no boost leak noise!!
So there's no way it was a hardware problem.
I'm pleased the car is back to normal but can't understand why.
Temp has dropped to 21 degrees here if that would make any difference and the only other thing that's been done is the battery disconnected.
Opinions welcome
This is for Ross
No never had the car returned to stock, as above
Oh sorry, i thought i you left the battery off for a period that the map gets removed,
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Now done 100 miles with the car and it seems to go alright but mpg isn't great.
Sitting on cruise at 70 mph the trip is on 44.6mpg and that took 40 miles to get to that.
Previously the computer read 53.1mpg and that was everywhere at 80mph
Sounds worse off. Need some new map actions.
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Could be down to driving into the wind, majority uphill etc.
Generally on light throttle your fuel economy would be about the same with or without a remap. You would need to do several journeys before you can state the map is at fault
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The only difference in fuelling maps between your first software version and the second is the rail pressure at low load, rail pressure is lower. This is a revision made by VW in their we software versions. This would not cause a change in MPG that would be noticeable.
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Lool, i can get that in my MK6 GTI :P
Hope you get it sorted soon mate....
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Sorry Ross I should've started my own thread.
No need to rename it though!
Nah its cool, i have my car mapped now, so need need for it to be called "Where to get MK6 Mapped" - thought i go with Superchips as its been tried and tested on 100's of TSI - didnt want the bother like you where you have had to back and forth, plus i take put on and take off map when needed....
You thought about Superchips Bluefine for your GTD? - their customers service is a amazing, they sent my map within 15 mins :congrats:
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I have received your PM Kev and replied. We can do 1 of 2 things for you:
1. We can restore the ECU to full factory settings until you find the underlying issue which is causing you problems.
2. We can restore the ECU to full factory setings with TPROT switched off so that the OBD port is still active for future flashing.
This case is a very strange one, the car was perfect (with a huge amount of praise from Kev about its performance and MPG gains) with no issues for 3 months before we are informed of a noise, spend a day diagnosing said noise and then another issue arises which is resolved with a battery reset, now the car has lower than expected MPG. Seeing as a map cant ever change itself, then there must be an underlying issue on the car. This is the case with the majority of cars that have a fault afer a remap, but the remap will always be held to blame, thats just the way it is in the UK, none of our dealers accross the world suffer from customers with the same outlook.
The same software configuration that is on Kevs car is on another 300+ cars across the UK and thousands worldwide flashed through the Sedox network of dealers, no cars have had these same issues before and due to Kevs car miraculously 'fixing itself' with a battery reset its clear that this case is due to an underlying issue that is yet to be resolved.
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ill change the title as its unfair to says it gone wrong - ....my bad
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I've read this entire "problem" (Marshalls) with interest. I am not a mapper but after getting the power from my old TDI I have a pretty decent (not amazing) understanding of TDI tuning. All I will say is this ... what a farse.
From reading the posts I see nothing wrong with PDTs position on anything, they seem to have actually gone out of their way to help! :fighting2:
MPG can vary so much from many things..
Wind speed
Wind direction
Small inclines or declines in the road
Tyre pressures (have you even checked this?)
Car alignment (tracking)
EGR contamination
Rate of DPF regeneration if you still have it
Quality of fuel (regular or premium)
Humidity effecting combusion efficiency
Hot weather causing heatsoak thus making the charge air less dense, decreasing power and needing more throttle to maintain a given speed
Air filter being dirty
Fuel filter being dirty
Boost leak (which has been tested I presume).
A remap in itself will not cause any noticable difference in engine noise. Outside of changing fuelling amounts at idle, SOI and injector duration, idle speed and EGR duty cycle, and only very slight. I had 5 different remaps on my old car and never noticed any difference in engine noise in any of them.
If you noticed the noise immediately you should have taken it back immediately. Not 3 months later. After 3 months after I mapped your car, if you came back to me saying "it's making a noise" I would say "okay I will investigate at a rate of £xx ph."
You are complaining over a 3mpg difference which can easily be caused by any of the above. Resetting the battery in itself would not cause a noticable difference in MPG. It would reset certain parameters as PDT have mentioned already.
I can drive the same route between where I live and a friends house and driving in a similar fashion, get anywhere from 33mpg to 42mpg.
You can look for a problem if you want but it doesn't necessarily mean there is one.
Fit a boost gauge which can allow you to see how hard the engine is working. You will be able to tell when you are driving up hill or down hill, or have the wind on your side or not. Then you can tally that up with expected MPG (not forgetting that with a battery reset the onboard MPG readout will be slightly wrong anyway and takes up to 1000 miles to re-calibrate).
Are you noticing less miles per tank or simply a lower MPG readout on the gauge? Because actual and displayed can be amazingly different...
It's a private issue between customer and mapping company but since it's posted publically (not sure what that achieves anyway) then it's open for opinion.
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^^ Spot on :congrats:
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^^ Spot on :congrats:
Yep....well put. To be fair think this topic needs locking and let them sort it outside of the forum. :popcornsoda:
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how can it be private when you are posting on a forum with hundreds of members?????
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I don't mind this being on the forum, it (hopefully) shows how we deal with things when customers come back to us with a problem, be that 1 day or 1 year later, we will go out of our way to help resolve the issue, and as in Kevs case we don't charge for any of this testing or investigation work. A lot of our work is helping drivers that have had a remap elsewhere that come to us for diagnostics etc... Because their tuner has washed their hands with them once they have paid for the remap and they don't want to know.
At present the only issue is a slight drop in MPG from where it was a few weeks back, but car is driving perfectly. There are so many reasons why mpg can vary, the current humidity and barometric pressure won't help diesels AT ALL, neither will the hot intake temps and higher fuel temps.
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The mpg may be low but how many miles are you getting to a full tank?
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It now seems everyone's an expert!!!
This was a private matter and if you'd read earlier I posted here as I didn't get any reply from Dave in my earlier emails but that parts sorted now.
Once my cars back to standard then that's when this can be put to bed once and for all.
As for comments from people saying mapping can't alter engine noise etc then its not worth going in to the fueling side.
I'm first to admit I'm a perfectionist and like things to be right.
This is what I'm trying to achieve.
Dave is arranging for the car to be flashed to standard.
Not an expert at all mate.
I've just been there and done that having more than doubled my TDIs standard power. As I said I'm not a mapper but I'm not an idiot either and I know how a diesel engine works and what happen with a remap.
The whole grievance was a private matter and you could have phoned, or PM'd - but instead you make it public. If you make it public then people can read into it what they like and comment as they see fit.
As I said I've given you an almost complete list of things which can effect your MPG. Have you checked the basics such as your tyre pressures with an accurate gauge?
PDT seems to have gone above and beyond (and still are) what anyone would "reasonably expect" such a company to do. And this I think shows on the thread and I'd certainly use PDT based on what I've seen.
And when your fuel efficiency is worse when the remap is taken off I wonder what will happen then! Maybe VW's map is faulty as well. :confused: :party: :chicken:
This case is a very strange one, the car was perfect (with a huge amount of praise from Kev about its performance and MPG gains) with no issues for 3 months before we are informed of a noise, spend a day diagnosing said noise and then another issue arises which is resolved with a battery reset, now the car has lower than expected MPG.
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I have to agree with Jay on this :happy2:
Certainly wouldn't put me off going to PDT for a remap for my scirocco :drinking:
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Hi Kev,
Not read it yet but will check now, have loads in my PM box and raraely get a chance to come on here these days as we are working a 1 month waiting list with 2 staff away on holidays!
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Glad to hear its all sorted-did you find out what was causing the issues
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Haha Revo remap. :jumpmove: :jumpmove:
Simply "changing to revo" is not a cure. If anything it's like being given one disease to get rid of another.
If there was something with the map then it would have been a setting causing that and until that can be worked out you can't simply blame the remap without working through the data.
As long as you are happy mate...
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It was more of my dislike of Revo maps than saying it didn't "fix" the problem.
I have seen the maps they do and the fuelling requests they make (on Mk4 cars but near enough the same thing, it's PD engine after all) and they are very aggressive giving huge torque kicks. They spike early leaving the power trailling off the higher RPMs.
It would be interesting when Sedox can update as to the problem of that remap, or to try the exact map on another car. I wonder if in 3 months the noise will start again :signLOL: :signLOL:
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Im not gonna side one way or another, but Jay you have to respect that Marshall ( the paying customer ) feel much happier wit the map and feels the issue is sorted. So im happy for Marshall either way.
Now let time just do its thing, 3 months down the line if every thing is good then, Hey! all sorted
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Oh yes I'm happy it is working for him too.
I'm just intrigued how a map can cause the engine to run noticeably louder and await Sedox's update if any.
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I'd be keen to know what figures you got with Revo and how differently it drives compared with the PDT map
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Back to the OPs first post.
My worry with "risk" on the mk6 is the map write methods with my tools. I have just invested £5000 into new tricore kit to start flashing the new med17 ecus, but won't be offering retail maps until I am 100% happy with my tool and my mapping software methods, only stuff we will be doing is R&D maps until the 1.8t market dies off, then I will have time to think more about mapping the mk6 stuff. But while I am busy with 1.8t 2.0tfsi and DSG DQ250/500 customers its pointless trying to take more work on just to try and make more money.
Nick
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Jesus Marshal you sound like a nightmare customer!
You had the PDT map for 3 months and were over the moon, you have the Revo map a few weeks and are again over the moon, so im not seeing the difference? Maybe your issues will re-appear in another 3 months and the Revo software will be at fault?
You also disconnected your battery which fixed it, even though disconnecting your battery makes no difference to the PDT software?
PDT have been a lot more helpful than i would be, or would expect other companies to be! Id have an invoice sitting for you.
You just cannot keep some people happy! :stupid:
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Or it could be you only know some of the story???????
Surprised to see you still on this forum Marshall after what nice things you said about "us mark 5 owners" on GolfGti.co.uk :congrats:
Let's hope for your sake that your correct , and if you are so correct that you would go to the extent you have to try ruining a company's name ,even though a independent engineer backs the company and not your Story with his report..
:stupid:
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An unknowledgable person spouting nonsense.
You don't see that on the internet very often! :grin:
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I was going to let this go quiet to wait the Sedox outcome.
But with all the comments above I can't resist.
Firstly for supposedly slagging members off on here on another forum I think you'll find my comment were that Sedox fan boys who know nothing about the events are very quick to judge. (Take that how you like)
Secondly for the next comment regarding unknowledgeable people spouting off.
Where do I start?
I've been a technician for a major car manufacture for 20 years fully qualified and even won top technician in the country twice and coming second 3 times in the last 8 years.
It seems I'm more qualified than the garage in question when it comes to mechanics.
Maybe I don't put my findings in to words correctly but I know what's right and what's not.
Previously I'd posted that everyone's now an expert! Well that certainly looks to be the case doesn't it?
I can understand why you are so quick to blame me when you have not had first hand experience with either my car or a remap on your cr170 from Sedox.
I think that makes the unknowledgeable comment even better.
As for making it my work to spoil this garages reputation, well the proof is in the pudding and I've only posted my own customer experiences.
For which none of you have a cr170 remap customer experience.
So any of you that are trying to blow hot air up anyone's are$ JOG ON
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I was going to let this go quiet to wait the Sedox outcome.
But with all the comments above I can't resist.
Firstly for supposedly slagging members off on here on another forum I think you'll find my comment were that Sedox fan boys who know nothing about the events are very quick to judge. (Take that how you like)
Secondly for the next comment regarding unknowledgeable people spouting off.
Where do I start?
I've been a technician for a major car manufacture for 20 years fully qualified and even won top technician in the country twice and coming second 3 times in the last 8 years.
It seems I'm more qualified than the garage in question when it comes to mechanics.
Maybe I don't put my findings in to words correctly but I know what's right and what's not.
Previously I'd posted that everyone's now an expert! Well that certainly looks to be the case doesn't it?
I can understand why you are so quick to blame me when you have not had first hand experience with either my car or a remap on your cr170 from Sedox.
I think that makes the unknowledgeable comment even better.
As for making it my work to spoil this garages reputation, well the proof is in the pudding and I've only posted my own customer experiences.
For which none of you have a cr170 remap customer experience.
So any of you that are trying to blow hot air up anyone's are$ JOG ON
Quality :happy2:
I think people would feel different if it was their own car, we all know what it like when you think something isnt right and you hear noises. Remap or not causing the problem, I think the outcome is still the one people wanted for Marshall, everyone wants it running smooth as.
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Its the simple facts that make it look like your talking wind and pish mate.
-You were over the moon with the re-map for 3 MONTHS !!
-You get a problem/ noise and look for someone to blame, maybe hoping for a free fix!? Tuning company are the last people to touch your car and likely to try keep you sweet and check it FOC to try stop this outcome.
-They have went far and beyond to help you, and not charged a penny. unlike a lot of companies would (rightfully).
-You disconnected your battery which cured it- which makes no difference to the software you are blaming!??
-You get a different companies remap which fixes it (like disconnecting battery did) and all of a sudden thats hard evidence!?? Your first remap was perfect for 3 months, aswell as your car bein fine after battery disconnected, so theres no proof there mate!
Your dragging a companies name through the dirt, for no real reason as far as the majority of us can see.
Get some hard FACTS proving the ACTUAL problem before running round the playground calling people names.
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I have been reading this thread with keen interest first of all i,m no expert. But I know this when I remap my car i will be going to straight to sedox and none other as it seems their after sales service is impeccable . Wether the problem was their map or not this thread has only enhanced their reputation in my my eyes
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The facts are in the pipeline.
As for being perfect for 3 months.
Put it like this.
You go out and buy a car and test drive it.
How often once you've had the car weeks/months do you tune in to a noise or something you didn't notice when buying?
Your so pleased with your new car or extra performance you don't notice the obvious.
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Hmm, isn't it the other way round?
Once i get a new car or new bit for it, i pay a LOT more attention to it until ive learned it can be trusted. I think thats normal!?
Facts in the Pipeline? Surely you have them already since youre so sure whats at fault?
I have been reading this thread with keen interest first of all i,m no expert. But I know this when I remap my car i will be going to straight to sedox and none other as it seems their after sales service is impeccable . Whether the problem was their map or not this thread has only enhanced their reputation in my my eyes
Correct, i completely agree. :happy2:
If i was Revo and seen this thread before you arrived wanting their remap, id have told you to bolt! Your not worth the hassle.
Youve probably got a dodgy MAF sensor. :laugh:
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I was going to let this go quiet to wait the Sedox outcome.
But with all the comments above I can't resist.
Firstly for supposedly slagging members off on here on another forum I think you'll find my comment were that Sedox fan boys who know nothing about the events are very quick to judge. (Take that how you like)
Secondly for the next comment regarding unknowledgeable people spouting off.
Where do I start?
I've been a technician for a major car manufacture for 20 years fully qualified and even won top technician in the country twice and coming second 3 times in the last 8 years.
It seems I'm more qualified than the garage in question when it comes to mechanics.
Maybe I don't put my findings in to words correctly but I know what's right and what's not.
Previously I'd posted that everyone's now an expert! Well that certainly looks to be the case doesn't it?
I can understand why you are so quick to blame me when you have not had first hand experience with either my car or a remap on your cr170 from Sedox.
I think that makes the unknowledgeable comment even better.
As for making it my work to spoil this garages reputation, well the proof is in the pudding and I've only posted my own customer experiences.
For which none of you have a cr170 remap customer experience.
So any of you that are trying to blow hot air up anyone's are$ JOG ON
But you have no idea about remaps or what goes into them let alone what adjustments you have.
Plus making Lego Cars doesn't count. :signLOL: :signLOL: want a lollypop?
EXACTLY as Gaz said - we're not idiots on here you can't just slag off companies without any decent proof.
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I was going to let this go quiet to wait the Sedox outcome.
But with all the comments above I can't resist.
Firstly for supposedly slagging members off on here on another forum I think you'll find my comment were that Sedox fan boys who know nothing about the events are very quick to judge. (Take that how you like)
Secondly for the next comment regarding unknowledgeable people spouting off.
Where do I start?
I've been a technician for a major car manufacture for 20 years fully qualified and even won top technician in the country twice and coming second 3 times in the last 8 years.
It seems I'm more qualified than the garage in question when it comes to mechanics.
Maybe I don't put my findings in to words correctly but I know what's right and what's not.
Previously I'd posted that everyone's now an expert! Well that certainly looks to be the case doesn't it?
I can understand why you are so quick to blame me when you have not had first hand experience with either my car or a remap on your cr170 from Sedox.
I think that makes the unknowledgeable comment even better.
As for making it my work to spoil this garages reputation, well the proof is in the pudding and I've only posted my own customer experiences.
For which none of you have a cr170 remap customer experience.
So any of you that are trying to blow hot air up anyone's are$ JOG ON
That makes your Jackanory even worse fella.. :stupid: :congrats:
I wonder if in a few months when your engine goes bang, you would publicise it :popcornsoda:
Humble pie time
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I would recommend sedox/pdt to anyone. They've always gone that extra mile to help me out if I ever needed any help. Their remap I had on my car was great. I always tell everyone local to go to them if they are seeking a remap.
The fact that they are always busy is a testament to them aswell. I called in the other week, and they were fully booked for the following 6 weeks. If their work was that poor, I'm sure they wouldnt have so many customers.......
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Everyone on here knows Sedox are a great company, with good customer service. The Ritz is a great hotel, but im sure they have the odd customer who had a complaint.
Just a fact of life that not everything is perfect all the time. I think we should just let Marshall and Sedox sort the remaining issues out and not drag this event out any longer :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
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I would recommend sedox/pdt to anyone. They've always gone that extra mile to help me out if I ever needed any help. Their remap I had on my car was great. I always tell everyone local to go to them if they are seeking a remap.
The fact that they are always busy is a testament to them aswell. I called in the other week, and they were fully booked for the following 6 weeks. If their work was that poor, I'm sure they wouldnt have so many customers.......
Cant agree more, never had a problem with anything they have done on my car, my brothers car and my dads car :happy2: