MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Andy on August 11, 2009, 09:16:36 pm
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this was on another forum-thought i would post it here
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APR Stage 3 Turbocharger System
APR Performance Exhaust System
APR Carbon Fiber Intake System
Sachs Performance Coilover Suspension
Alcon Motorsport Braking Upgrade
BBS Wheels
Michelin PS2 Summer Performance Tires
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:drool: :drool:
love it :happy2:
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Great, K04 power and torque figures for GT30+ money! :happy2:
Looks nice though! Like the look of the MK6 a lot!!
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nice figures but seem a bit 'enthusiastic' :signLOL:
personally the car looks great EXCEPT for the wheels , despite being BBS they cheapen the look of the car.
18 inch black huffs with a polished lip (aka Greenouses) would look far better..
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bhp figures seem quite conservative, lot of torque though.
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I wonder if those are whp or bhp?
BHP makes it similar to the mkv
WHP would make it 425bhp ish.........in which case, has it got uprated internals?......if not it is probably 370bhp :wink:
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its not whp :).
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its not whp :).
Right!
We get the equivalent of the USA's 94 octane over here, so the output would be up on that by a couple of bhp too :smiley:
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Looks stunning and fairly impressive figures. I wish i could afford a Mk6. Maybe in 2-3 years to accompany the Mk5. Then again, the Mk5 would have to make way, as the Mrs wants a CW Edition 30 with a retrim in a custom colour, so id have to have my own Mk6.
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Well, that answers the "Will my Alcons fit on a MKVI?" question.. excellent!
I really like the MKVI, as soon as we start seeing some more wheel combos and a bit of tweaking I think the un-decided will get it too. Just need those all important 2nd wave of options to come in, like Recaros and stuff.
*goes away to hatch plot.
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I really like the MKVI, as soon as we start seeing some more wheel combos and a bit of tweaking I think the un-decided will get it too. Just need those all important 2nd wave of options to come in, like Recaros and stuff.
....It'll take more than a fancy set of wheels to sort out the rear end styling of any Mk6! The OEM Mk5 looks so much better than the OEM Mk6 in my opinion.
This APR example looks good in red but I'd like to see pics of their mods to the rear.
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Hmm - I think a lower, wider stance with some bigger pipes would see it lose a bit of the Tiguan-esque back end. Then it'd look hard as nails.
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it doesn't use a K04 tho....uses an APR/Garrett turbo (Probably close to a GT2871R again)
here's the kit!
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar.. And as far as I know the stock TSI injectors can run to 450hp..
Wander if there is a difference between the stock TSI injectors and the K04 TSI injectors as fitted to the Scirocco R etc? They could well be the upgrade injector of choice for FSI engines in the future rather than the RS4's..
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar.. And as far as I know the stock TSI injectors can run to 450hp..
Wander if there is a difference between the stock TSI injectors and the K04 TSI injectors as fitted to the Scirocco R etc? They could well be the upgrade injector of choice for FSI engines in the future rather than the RS4's..
always thinkin ;)
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always thinkin ;)
Ha.. Well there are options out there for seriously high flow DI injectors but they are motorsport specific items and cost about a grand each.. A little bit more than what I was wanting to pay to be honest lol..
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always thinkin ;)
Ha.. Well there are options out there for seriously high flow DI injectors but they are motorsport specific items and cost about a grand each.. A little bit more than what I was wanting to pay to be honest lol..
I hear ya' !
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TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar..
Mine goes to 140?! :driver:
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interesting Dan ? I thought 130 was the max requested either by APR stg1 (non HPFP) or any other software when combined with pump (+HPFP) ?
new TSI certainly seems to have removed all the FSI pump/cam follower issues...but only time will tell
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Similarly interesting, Keith at APR US has just confirmed (over on UK-MKVs.net) that all running gear - ARBs, suspension, brakes etc is exactly the same as the MKV, meaning that everything we have now on our cars will cross over to a MKVI.
I love it when a plan comes together...
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Hey Guys great site :congrats:
Just wanted to Add i drove this car in the states last week and omg how quick did this car reach 150 mph, this is a tru flying machine and when it hit 150 mph there was no sign at all of it even thinking about stopping.
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Hey Guys great site :congrats:
Just wanted to Add i drove this car in the states last week and omg how quick did this car reach 150 mph, this is a tru flying machine and when it hit 150 mph there was no sign at all of it even thinking about stopping.
Welcome Mark! :drinking:
That's not gonna help the mod freaks on here, couldn't you lie and say it was slow and crap and no where near as good as a MK5? :laugh:
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welcome mark :happy2:
crikey thats an indicator if youre saying its quick as youve driven some quick cars ! eeek :driver:
mk6 anyone :popcornsoda:
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My Mk5 DSG stage 3 delivered the power in a completely different way it seemed to feel that it had more kick but i think thats because the DSG drops it a few gears and throws you back, whilst driving this MK6 i was comparing the speed gains... this car was verocious in how quick it got to 150mph, I do believe the Mk6 is even quicker.
APR have also built APR Stage III - Supercopa Killer - GTI Racecar build watch the video ... watch the mph needle and how quick this baby gets there even more so check the 50 to 100mph
http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/ (http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/)
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My Mk5 DSG stage 3 delivered the power in a completely different way it seemed to feel that it had more kick but i think thats because the DSG drops it a few gears and throws you back, whilst driving this MK6 i was comparing the speed gains... this car was verocious in how quick it got to 150mph, I do believe the Mk6 is even quicker.
APR have also built APR Stage III - Supercopa Killer - GTI Racecar build watch the video ... watch the mph needle and how quick this baby gets there even more so check the 50 to 100mph
http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/ (http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/)
APR say thats a $38,000 engine apparently?? Would love to know where they come up with there pricing structure!? Thats a similiar price to some full spec GT2 engines..
And, 430whp from a little over 20psi on a GT2871R.. Hmm... :confused:
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I'd be ecstatic if mine made 430bhp at 20psi :laugh:
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I'd be ecstatic if mine made 430bhp at 20psi :laugh:
You would also be jesus..
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Great, K04 power and torque figures for GT30+ money! :happy2:
Looks nice though! Like the look of the MK6 a lot!!
The exhaust manifold is GT25 flanged so turbo's can be upgraded whence we offer matching ecu calibrations. The kit is made to be modular and is a starting point for those that wish more power than currently achieved. The future for this platform will bring 1-2 larger turbo options that will drop right in with this Stage 3 as the basis.
This kit makes more power than the only currently available 2.0 TSI ko4 kit at all rpm points. Overlays of dyno graphs show this kit quite handily dispatching a ko4 car.
Unfortunately GT30's won't make more power than this kit except at higher boost, more than 24 psi, than the oem map sensor limit. Future upgrades to larger turbo's require fueling to be developed which we are in process of and a map sensor upgrade to allow more boost than 24 psi without running off the ecu's ability to properly control.
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I wonder if those are whp or bhp?
BHP makes it similar to the mkv
WHP would make it 425bhp ish.........in which case, has it got uprated internals?......if not it is probably 370bhp :wink:
The posted graph is a conservative BHP. The car consistently makes an uncorrected 330-340whp and 350-360wtrq.
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar.. And as far as I know the stock TSI injectors can run to 450hp..
Wander if there is a difference between the stock TSI injectors and the K04 TSI injectors as fitted to the Scirocco R etc? They could well be the upgrade injector of choice for FSI engines in the future rather than the RS4's..
From what I understand, VAG will continue the use of the current ED30/S3 FSI ko4 engine in the Scirocco R and R20. TSI injectors can't be made to work in a FSI without some serious effort. Fitment into the head is different as well as the wiring harness and injector body style.
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar.. And as far as I know the stock TSI injectors can run to 450hp..
Wander if there is a difference between the stock TSI injectors and the K04 TSI injectors as fitted to the Scirocco R etc? They could well be the upgrade injector of choice for FSI engines in the future rather than the RS4's..
From what I understand, VAG will continue the use of the current ED30/S3 FSI ko4 engine in the Scirocco R and R20. TSI injectors can't be made to work in a FSI without some serious effort. Fitment into the head is different as well as the wiring harness and injector body style.
Thanks for the info Kieth.. So is the TSI with stage 3 a much stronger package than the FSI engine with the same turbo kit?
How far do you think that the stock TSI fuel system would be able to be pushed? 400WHP??
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My Mk5 DSG stage 3 delivered the power in a completely different way it seemed to feel that it had more kick but i think thats because the DSG drops it a few gears and throws you back, whilst driving this MK6 i was comparing the speed gains... this car was verocious in how quick it got to 150mph, I do believe the Mk6 is even quicker.
APR have also built APR Stage III - Supercopa Killer - GTI Racecar build watch the video ... watch the mph needle and how quick this baby gets there even more so check the 50 to 100mph
http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/ (http://www.goapr.com/media/videos/D69781F1EAEF5601/CCB08BC3EF40D884/)
APR say thats a $38,000 engine apparently?? Would love to know where they come up with there pricing structure!? Thats a similiar price to some full spec GT2 engines..
And, 430whp from a little over 20psi on a GT2871R.. Hmm... :confused:
There is a drastically different approach when building an engine for endurance racing that will last an entire season at those power levels. Yes, its expensive, not $38k, but more than most are willing to spend. Our GTI race cars are no where near the Supercopa Killer power levels but are over $20k to build. Endurance Racing is just a different animal than a street car and lot's more internal parts are upgraded than you would apply to a streetcar application.
Headwork alone is $5k just for the cnc work.
This engine spools up 600 rpm's sooner than our standard FSI Stage 3, uses the same turbo and makes 430whp! Not bhp.
Yes, with lower compression, headwork, cams, more fuel and different calibration, its very, very possible and we have done so quite nicely. Its not always about turbo size. Going to a bigger turbo to get more power is an easy way of doing it but moves the power band to a late performer and is acceptable for drag racing but a road course client would never, ever enjoy the late power hit of a turbo bigger than a 28 frame on the 2.0T FSI. Efficiency is the key. We made the right internal engine mods to increase the efficiency of how the engine the makes power with the same turbo. Boost is up 4 psi over our production FSI Stage 3.
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I'd be ecstatic if mine made 430bhp at 20psi :laugh:
You would also be jesus..
To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
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Good news, the tsi has improved fuelling system, no need for upgraded HPFP and bigger injectors for this power level.
i might need to find me a tsi soon :driver: :jumping:
TSI runs 150 bar standard, the APR and Autotech etc fuel pump options for the FSI only run at 130bar.. And as far as I know the stock TSI injectors can run to 450hp..
Wander if there is a difference between the stock TSI injectors and the K04 TSI injectors as fitted to the Scirocco R etc? They could well be the upgrade injector of choice for FSI engines in the future rather than the RS4's..
From what I understand, VAG will continue the use of the current ED30/S3 FSI ko4 engine in the Scirocco R and R20. TSI injectors can't be made to work in a FSI without some serious effort. Fitment into the head is different as well as the wiring harness and injector body style.
Thanks for the info Kieth.. So is the TSI with stage 3 a much stronger package than the FSI engine with the same turbo kit?
How far do you think that the stock TSI fuel system would be able to be pushed? 400WHP??
This kit uses a different turbo than our FSI kit. The turbo selected for this kit provides 30 more lb ft of torque, 10 less hp but spools up 300 rpm's sooner.
Currently we are calling the TSI fueling capable of 380bhp at safe afr on pump gas but haven't completed our testing yet.
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To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
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To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
:notworthy:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Yes, with lower compression, headwork, cams, more fuel and different calibration, its very, very possible and we have done so quite nicely. Its not always about turbo size. Going to a bigger turbo to get more power is an easy way of doing it but moves the power band to a late performer and is acceptable for drag racing but a road course client would never, ever enjoy the late power hit of a turbo bigger than a 28 frame on the 2.0T FSI. Efficiency is the key. We made the right internal engine mods to increase the efficiency of how the engine the makes power with the same turbo. Boost is up 4 psi over our production FSI Stage 3.
Good to know I've chosen the best size turbo for all round performance for the upgrade from my K04 :happy2:
(GT2871R with optional .86 exhaust housing) :jumping:
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To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
:notworthy:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Yes, with lower compression, headwork, cams, more fuel and different calibration, its very, very possible and we have done so quite nicely. Its not always about turbo size. Going to a bigger turbo to get more power is an easy way of doing it but moves the power band to a late performer and is acceptable for drag racing but a road course client would never, ever enjoy the late power hit of a turbo bigger than a 28 frame on the 2.0T FSI. Efficiency is the key. We made the right internal engine mods to increase the efficiency of how the engine the makes power with the same turbo. Boost is up 4 psi over our production FSI Stage 3.
Good to know I've chosen the best size turbo for all round performance for the upgrade from my K04 :happy2:
(GT2871R with optional .86 exhaust housing) :jumping:
:innocent:
:grin:
At the oem map sensor limit of 24psi and the oem knock limit on pump fuel at the oem c.r., you definitely have picked the best all around performer for the FSI!
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To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
:notworthy:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Yes, with lower compression, headwork, cams, more fuel and different calibration, its very, very possible and we have done so quite nicely. Its not always about turbo size. Going to a bigger turbo to get more power is an easy way of doing it but moves the power band to a late performer and is acceptable for drag racing but a road course client would never, ever enjoy the late power hit of a turbo bigger than a 28 frame on the 2.0T FSI. Efficiency is the key. We made the right internal engine mods to increase the efficiency of how the engine the makes power with the same turbo. Boost is up 4 psi over our production FSI Stage 3.
Good to know I've chosen the best size turbo for all round performance for the upgrade from my K04 :happy2:
(GT2871R with optional .86 exhaust housing) :jumping:
:innocent:
:grin:
At the oem map sensor limit of 24psi and the oem knock limit on pump fuel at the oem c.r., you definitely have picked the best all around performer for the FSI!
The Compression ratio won't be stock as I've also gone for uprated pistons, rods etc :wink:
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To be fair its 430whp at 24 psi. Does that make us Gods or are we still just the messiah?
:notworthy:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
Yes, with lower compression, headwork, cams, more fuel and different calibration, its very, very possible and we have done so quite nicely. Its not always about turbo size. Going to a bigger turbo to get more power is an easy way of doing it but moves the power band to a late performer and is acceptable for drag racing but a road course client would never, ever enjoy the late power hit of a turbo bigger than a 28 frame on the 2.0T FSI. Efficiency is the key. We made the right internal engine mods to increase the efficiency of how the engine the makes power with the same turbo. Boost is up 4 psi over our production FSI Stage 3.
Good to know I've chosen the best size turbo for all round performance for the upgrade from my K04 :happy2:
(GT2871R with optional .86 exhaust housing) :jumping:
:innocent:
:grin:
At the oem map sensor limit of 24psi and the oem knock limit on pump fuel at the oem c.r., you definitely have picked the best all around performer for the FSI!
The Compression ratio won't be stock as I've also gone for uprated pistons, rods etc :wink:
Then you should be able to run the 24 psi but with a ton of timing and make approximately 380-410whp depending on how low you go..
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At the oem map sensor limit of 24psi and the oem knock limit on pump fuel at the oem c.r., you definitely have picked the best all around performer for the FSI!
The Compression ratio won't be stock as I've also gone for uprated pistons, rods etc :wink:
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Then you should be able to run the 24 psi but with a ton of timing and make approximately 380-410whp depending on how low you go..
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Ooooh, she's nice :love:
400whp would be great. Initially I've set a target of 420bhp and work from there.
Larger cooler (THS :ashamed:)
Hot climate radiator
in-tank pump
all should help :happy2:
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At the oem map sensor limit of 24psi and the oem knock limit on pump fuel at the oem c.r., you definitely have picked the best all around performer for the FSI!
The Compression ratio won't be stock as I've also gone for uprated pistons, rods etc :wink:
Then you should be able to run the 24 psi but with a ton of timing and make approximately 380-410whp depending on how low you go..
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Ooooh, she's nice :love:
400whp would be great. Initially I've set a target of 420bhp and work from there.
Larger cooler (THS :ashamed:)
Hot climate radiator
in-tank pump
all should help :happy2:
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What intank pump are you using?
Did you know our FSI intercooler is tested and verified effective and efficient to 600hp?
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http://www.goapr.com/products/intercooler_20tfsi.html
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Did you know our FSI intercooler is tested and verified effective and efficient to 600hp?
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My cooler! :pomppomp:
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Hi Keith,
Yes, I'd looked at the APR one - the THS one is almost exactly the same......same dimensions, same construction, same volume, same size pipework and also rated to 600bhp. In fact, if you scrubbed out the APR decals and the THS decals I bet you'd be hard pushed to spot the difference :wink:
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Hi Keith,
Yes, I'd looked at the APR one - the THS one is almost exactly the same......same dimensions, same construction, same volume, same size pipework and also rated to 600bhp. In fact, if you scrubbed out the APR decals and the THS decals I bet you'd be hard pushed to spot the difference :wink:
Linky?
Did someone knock off our design? :sad1:
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Hi Keith,
Yes, I'd looked at the APR one - the THS one is almost exactly the same......same dimensions, same construction, same volume, same size pipework and also rated to 600bhp. In fact, if you scrubbed out the APR decals and the THS decals I bet you'd be hard pushed to spot the difference :wink:
Linky?
Did someone knock off our design? :sad1:
I found them. It looks like they knocked ours off but there are enough differences to separate them from a design perspective to where they shouldn't operate identically. They chose to shorten the end tanks and change the end tank design enough to destroy the inherent flow distribution properties of our intercooler.
This means their core should be less efficient due to the way the air will follow the path of least resistance and collect into the middle of the core effectively negating 20% of the core size.
It looks to me like they didn't actually design theirs for best operation but to claim an addtional inch of width over ours and to facilitate ease of manufacture at a facility that is not capable of the intricacy of our end tank castings.
Other than that which is actually terribly significant, its pretty similar to ours.
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My cooler! :pomppomp:
Yes sir! Sleep well at night knowing you are of the caliber to have chosen the real deal and are insured the best performance and reliability for your car possible!
Sure you could have saved a couple of hundred with the other offering but there are definitely some advantages to ours and we appreciate your support very much!
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I found them. It looks like they knocked ours off but there are enough differences to separate them from a design perspective to where they shouldn't operate identically. They chose to shorten the end tanks and change the end tank design enough to destroy the inherent flow distribution properties of our intercooler.
This means their core should be less efficient due to the way the air will follow the path of least resistance and collect into the middle of the core effectively negating 20% of the core size.
It looks to me like they didn't actually design theirs for best operation but to claim an addtional inch of width over ours and to facilitate ease of manufacture at a facility that is not capable of the intricacy of our end tank castings.
Other than that which is actually terribly significant, its pretty similar to ours.
....Hmm, that's enough info to make me reconsider what was my intention to buy a THS intercooler.
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....Hmm, that's enough info to make me reconsider what was my intention to buy a THS intercooler.
RR whilst Keith is on, please don't mention the name Forge... :scared:
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thought i was reading the golfmkv forum when i saw APR insist another product was inferior to their own :mad:, i agree with bacillus, what ever you do dont mention forge :scared:
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....Hmm, that's enough info to make me reconsider what was my intention to buy a THS intercooler.
RR whilst Keith is on, please don't mention the name Forge... :scared:
:signLOL:
No worries.
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Can we not get back to the Turbo stuff that was really interesting, We all know where this will end up if we let it change direction. :smiley: :wink:
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thought i was reading the golfmkv forum when i saw APR insist another product was inferior to their own :mad:, i agree with bacillus, what ever you do dont mention forge :scared:
:signLOL: :signLOL:
I have no animosity towards Forge at all. They have a different philosophy regarding modifying cars than we do is all. We approach it from an OEM perspective which seems to create some questions as to why we don't follow suit with the bulk of the aftermarket. Sometimes people at other companies get upset with the way I explain things to them which is fine as its not my job to help them understand there could have been better design choices but to help the enthusiasts understand why we choose what we do and why we didn't choose the way other people do it.
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Hi again Keith,
What does the APR 'cooler flow in terms of g/s?
The THS one had some data logging done on it by DomT off here and it manages to flow over 480g/s. Using the rough yardstick of dividing by 0.8 to get the handling capabiltity it roughly equates to 600bhp. :smiley:
Linky....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5864.0
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TC, are you tempted then by the TSI conversion and a MKVI? :pomppomp:
Or the MKV conversion? :drinking:
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TC, are you tempted then by the TSI conversion and a MKVI? :pomppomp:
Or the MKV conversion? :drinking:
I cant control 250BHP :grin:
I just enjoy reading about what you guys have to go through to get one bolted on. :happy2:
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Hi again Keith,
What does the APR 'cooler flow in terms of g/s?
The THS one had some data logging done on it by DomT off here and it manages to flow over 480g/s. Using the rough yardstick of dividing by 0.8 to get the handling capabiltity it roughly equates to 600bhp. :smiley:
Linky....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5864.0
Our flow testing is measured in CFM and is only indicative of the amount of air that will be able to pass through the inlet of the core and then through the outlet of the core and has no bearing on its ability to effectively cool such CFM. It merely relays that a certain volume of air can pass through the core without restriction.
The size of the core, efficiency of the core and overall air distribution AS WELL AS flow ability determine its effectiveness and worth.
I am sure I can dig up the flow we measured as this was part of our calculation to determine 600hp of capability but I'm not sure what flow data alone proves, if anything when attempting to compare 2 intercoolers of similar size that both obviously have the ability to flow enough cfm without obstruction to support 600hp. We also have some real world data to present:
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Oh god here we go.. APR have well and truly arrived.. :indifferent:
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no need for that comment jonnyc especially to new forum member ......
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no need for that comment jonnyc especially to new forum member ......
Have a read on all the US forums and you will know what I mean.. Just boring thats all.. Nice community on here I think, 99% of which wont respond to the marketing strategy so its probably not an issue..
Sorry if you find my post disruptive just im sick of the there product is s*it and this is why you should buy ours type of comments..
Anyways as you were guys.. :smiley:
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I hear what Jonny is saying, The American forum is far too loosely Moderated and all sorts of stuff kicks off including polite slanging matches between some companies - APR vs Forge being the most common.
Personally, I find all the posted info by APR/Forge etc either useful or interesting and try to ignore any accusations or defensive aspects of their posts.
I feel intelligent enough to make up my own mind about their products.
Peace :smiley:
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so true hence my post #49.
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guys you are all jumping on a bandwagon derived from other forums not from Keiths posts on here , whilst the 'other' forum data is not invalid and useful , I believe a new member should be given the benefit of the doubt on this forum as an initial stance.....
jonny is right though , most members on here are 'discerning customers' :happy2: (apart from TC :stupid:)
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I'm certainly not an APR fanboy but I do appreciate the quality of their products and given the prices they ought to be good quality.
I also appreciate Keith coming on and offering his advice and support, of course he'll be passionate about the APR product range, most company reps will be but it's up to the individual to pick out of the discussions the useful and pertinent information.
APR clearly have an awesome manufacturing and development facility from which some real nice products are born, I for one and interested to hear of their findings. I've read many of Keith's posts on the US forums and in general find them helpful.